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Chaos theory and random mutation make hard determinism seem impossible.
Not that either of those things affect our capacity for free will. But is there really some ultimate chain of events stretching back forever where you can trace one thing being the result of a previous thing? It seems as though there have been some interruptions. |
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everything that is happening, will happen, or has ever happened is the direct unfolding cause-and-effect chain reaction of the First Cause |
I'm probably remembering incorrectly. I remember quantum chaos type events that can't be predicted by prior conditions, which indicated that while at many levels hard determinism holds, ultimately speaking, it does not.
I'm so old there is probably new evidence available since I was at uni, which shows conclusively that hard determinism holds in all situations. |
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I know a lot of physicists think it's more likely that what is happening is a problem with our ability to observe and not actual indeterminism though |
i do believe in teh_b0lly's degree of determinism thing. yes things are determined, but not every little thing has to be exactly the same for a determined conclusion to happen. the question then is where is that line. like if subatomic particles don't have to act deterministically and don't interrupt determinism, is it only subatomic particles? aren't we as insignificant as subatomic particles on a certain scale?
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I see the appeal of that, but ultimately I can't help but think it's just a way to hold onto the illusion of free will. science suggests a totally deterministic universe
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care to source that?
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I can look up something later, but I know for certain that indeterminism has never been observed above the subatomic level. So any argument against hard determinism has to assume 1) that observed indeterminism is accurate and not a problem with our ability to detect causes and observe at this level and 2) indeterminism is occurring on a larger level even if it has never been detected
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my biggest road block with the wiggle room determinism idea though is that it seems predicated on the concept that some events are "bigger" or "more important" than others. Maybe this is not exactly what you mean, but a lot of people I have discussed this with previously like the idea popularized in movies and tv that big life changing events are set in stone but the series leading up to them can be altered (Final Destination timeline physics with a course-correcting universe is a good example). But the universe and physical laws do not differentiate between an event like your death and a random molecule of your skin blowing away in the wind. these are human divisions
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ah but death is not an event, it is comprised of many molecular changes/events. still you have a good point, and i'm sure if we got down to it we could find many events in a molecule of skin blowing away as well. i guess in a way these "bigger" things are triggered once some kind of threshold is reached, for example enough tissue dies in your heart and it stops beating. or enough blood drains out of you that your blood pressure can no longer be sustained at all and then it stops and then your brain stops getting oxygen since it is not getting blood and your brain eventually dies after a few minutes.
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although honestly who knows apparently we all live in a hologram projected from a black hole or something
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well duh
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I mean even if it's predetermined it's still meaningless, so
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A friend of mine gave me a bottle of wine
A true friend respect me drinking |
No wine
no weed no sex listening to burzum |
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I've jammed this about 30 times in the last few days
When I was a kid, I'd sit and literally try and dissect every note Taylor played; play on the same crash as he did on the same count, cause I was dumb and just learning And now I can just sit down and play it, like, whatever And yeah btw foo fighters do suck now, but first three records were incredible |
I know. One moment you're listening Burzum... next moment you're commiting arson at Goodwill and Safeway.
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agreed
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Remember when Foo Fighters believed that AIDS is a made-up disease meant to oppress the African continent or something?
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...and that it's actually the medication that makes people sick?
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s/t is the best |
I'd say Wasting Light was pretty decent.
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First Three Burzums >>>>>>>>>>>> First Three Foo Fighters
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do I smell an air of elitism
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: When night falls / She cloaks the world / In impenetrable darkness / A chill rises / From the soil /And contaminates the air / Suddenly... /Life has new meaning.
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Once I watched a video of Varg teaching his children how to build a pre-historic refrigerator on the ground
pretty educative then later he was arrested for racism |
Heh. Have you seen Fore Bears? He claims Scandinavians evolved from bears.
I can just see him in prison, playing tabletop rpgs and synthesizers. |
I'm still a bear
do I need to evolve? |
Shapeshift.
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Posting a comment just to leave that foo fighters video on the previous page
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I bet you varg would fuck dave up in a fight.
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Actually I used to love those first three foo fighters albums.
true story. |
I like the first one
that's all |
omg how many comments are necessary?
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