Anyone Who Cares About This Band Understands This
 

Haven't posted in months and am a little drunk, but James was and is the antithesis of Billy. So was Darc'y. That's why this band was so great. It's a repetitive point only said in so many different words. The current incarnation is Billy unleashed and uninhibited and because of this, the lack of the Pumpkins soul is so apparent. Everyone, including Zeitgeist apologists, can recognize this. Musicianship and talent included, the personalities of those collective four meant more than anything in regards to this band. The current Pumpkins isn't horrible and have produced an occasional gem (live anyway), but without someone to temper Billy, this thing will always lack full credibility. I think at some point James will resurface.

Again, I am glad we have something, but holy shit something is missing.

This post was inspired by listening to Porcelina during the 2nd to last show at United Center. Even a James that was uninspired was better than no James at all.

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agreed. it was the tension that made it so great.
now SP has no edge.

done.

you're creative up until a point, if don't have an ego your material just plain' old gets worse... if you have a giant ego your material gets worse but you think it's good because it goes down different avenues.

yeah it's right there.
no ... over by that

I'm going to reserve judgement until I hear the next single/album - that way everyone will be able to judge SP2 on a more even playing field, since there'll be more than just 1 LP and EP to compare.

yeah, i still hope for james to come back.

I don't think he's coming back :cry::erm::banging::eek::mad::confused:

You can't have two different things both be the antithesis of a third thing. That shit is a no-go, dude.

as long as its got sweetcorn on it, im there.

OP: To an extent, maybe. But really I think it has to do with Billy's profound change in his outlook on life and what he believes in. The Billy Corgan of 2008 is very different than the Billy Corgan of 1993 or even 1998. James has also grown pretty careless when it comes to SP since about 1998 or so. I don't think your theory holds much weight today. In the mid 90's, if James got kicked out, quit, whatever -- it would have.

at least james could put another record out

and birds go tweet....but yea, I know what you mean...half drunk too.

sigh

I gotta agree. I cant imagine James and Darcy willingly playing stuff like widow wake my mind and what not... Having those critical opinions in the band drove Billy to greater heights.

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i've drawn a picture in MSpaint on the matter. yes i know i can't draw for shit on laptop trackpads.

goddamit i forgot b0lly's ears in the present panel.

you would have to be really fucked up to think that James would "come back" to billy

That song is pretty bloody good, I've got to admit.

We all lose the plot, sooner or later. There is a good case to be made for Billy quietly touring with the old material, instead of going out with this whacked Teargarden concept-less album that isn't an album but is.

this thread is bullshit.

Darc'y

The Future Embrace is a great album produced with no tension so I don't agree that it's necessary.

Umm why are you people responding to people who stopped posting on this board 4 years ago?

Rewind.

and Revive.