Other than Billy, who is most responsible for SP's success?
 

Honestly my vote goes for Bill Corgan, Sr., because without his neglect and abuse and influence, Billy never would have had the insane drive to seek fame and musical success.

Jimmy is a close second, however, as I think his musical contributions are just as important as Billy's songwriting.

The only thing I will add is that I truly don't think D'Arcy's importance to this band can be overstated. Her strength of character was a stabilizing force against Billy's excessive narcissism and zealously bad taste. I have no doubt that without D'Arcy to rein him in we would have easily had some cringe worthy "I WILL BE SPECIAL K" moments from 1991-1998 that may have easily soured his legacy. Sometimes the most important people in the band are the ones whose contributions are not so obvious.

Anyway, I'm sure I forgot someone important. Don't hit me. This thread is meant to incite discussion more than anything. :love:

Well...HAVE AT IT.

satan

joe shan

wish i’d known this was going to be a poll so that i could have avoided contributing entirely

life’s a dance; you learn as you go

Fuck my life

Jimmy, no question about it for me

Without a drummer like jim, bill woulda remained forever a bag of limp riffs and cringey yodeling

it's a close race between Jim & Butch for me. at first I was just gonna say Butch since he went such a long way to get Bill's songs just right and consequently become huge, widely-appealing singles. but Jimmy's own production choices (changing snares between sections of Today, for example) and ability to serve back just the right track to whatever Bill threw at him was just as important

everyone else on that list was important to the quality & character of the band but Jim & Butch were the "musical steroids" Bill needed to get the Pumpkins on the same level as the grunge big 4, commercially & technically

you are like a father-god to me

who are the grunge big four?

melvins, boris, sleep, earth?

yeah whatever sure

is nothing HOLY anymore?

Your mother is

nice

chloe, for not getting in the way of anything before siamese dream and influencing everything after. b'arcy's true muse

fixd

I really thought this pole had potential

hasn't even been 24 hrs yet bud

give your pole time to grow

I voted for James because I like him and the aura he brought, and he helped get me hooked. Simple reason, but surely other fans felt the same way and technically that is contributing to success.

Now musically it's definitely Jimmy and Butch, but James has that subtle magnetism that was irreplaceable

He does. He was also a cofounder with Billy do hey who knows how important he was in the big picture.

jimmy for reasons stated

tough choice on everyone else, though, really.

Really though, you gotta give Bill some credit himself for writing such senescent songs from 1991-1995 even though that word doesn't mean what took thinks it does.

I googled it once and was like WTF!?!

you should have simply used it in casual conversation instead

that's what i did!

i think it's time we took (hehe!) the new definition to Miriam Webster and made this shit official

I actually googled it cause I was using it in a post and I wasn't sure if I was spelling it correctly and then I noticed the definition and was like " what in the name of all things holy!?!?"

Mike Byrne (Bareclubbin')

Now there's a game changer!