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Rose Byrne, Chris O'Dowd & Ethan Hawke are all so charming in it. |
Artists tend to be messed up people with messed up thoughts. And doing their art is much healthier than acting out those thoughts. I think of Eminem. I’d rather him be a psycho killer behind a mic than in real life. If I didn’t have my music as an outlet I’d probably have killed someone by now...Ani Difranco and Eddie Veddar have literally said the same.
Let artists art. If it makes you uncomfortable, just move on. |
(By the way, I’m totally down with critiquing things through a feminist lens...so I hear the criticisms of Pinkerton loud and clear. But part of third wave feminism is the realization that one ought to have the freedom to choose what’s empowering for them. That’s why we stopped being anti-porn as feminists a long time ago and also have come to accept that there is room in feminism for being a housewife or having a very stereotypical hetero relationship or BDSM, etc etc. Yes, all of those things can be degrading in some contexts. But they can also be empowering depending on the person and the situation.)
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People just like to get offended when something they like gets called out as being misogynistic because they think it reflects poorly on them as people.
Newsflash, it doesn't have to, you can even continue to enjoy something while recognizing how some aspects of it are shitty or don't hold up over time. |
Yeah I didn't really want this thread to derail into Weezer stuff, just more wanted us to all have a laugh at ourselves. Rivers' fetishizing of young women/teenage girls of Asian descent is well-documented and gross.
But honestly the parallels of post-Pinkerton Weezer & post-Y2K SP and its fanbases are pretty hilarious. Like, the disconnect from songs like Only In Dreams and Starla to butt-rock jokes like Hash Pipe and Tarantula! |
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Same thing when you point out racism, sexism, homophobia, etc. |
I think the main thing that ever makes me "raise a brow" to lyrics or whatever is when it's ambiguous as to whether the artist himself even realizes the uh, questionable nature of what they're singing. Like with Em it was pretty obvious he was fucking with people; shit like the Weezer song & that fuckin' Guns & Roses tune where he just casually throws out the n word, not so much
on the other hand, so long as it doesn't seep out into actual real life behavior, who cares |
The fact that this thread has devolved into what it has become demonstrates why the SNL skit funny in the first place.
I'm glad I never got into Weezer, I think any enjoyment I'd get from their music wouldn't be offset by worrying about when there music started sucking, if it ever sucked, if it ever didnt suck etc. I could say the same about SP but alas it's too late now. |
I think people just like demonstrating why they're morally superior to 1996 River Comeaux
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I think Weezer lyrics from Blue/Pinkterton (never listened further) are intentionally cringey and creepy, and it just hasn't aged so well in relation to how our society has changed. It's almost like a Woody Allen effect where the subject matter at the time is like WOW LOOK AT THIS SO EDGY AND HONEST (like fuzzy's POV) but fast forward a few decades and it's more obvious that it's not just abstract commentary on an uncomfortable subject, but in fact is posing as that while underneath there is actual real creepiness and expression of the artist's creepy attitudes and inappropriate behaviors.
LaBelle hit the nail on the head though– people get upset when others point shit like this out because they see it as an indictment against themselves. It's just kind of dumb and a really uncritical way to approach art, from my perspective. |
speaking of Weezer, here's a tangentially related anecdote. I have this friend who has been in musical stagnation since like 10th grade and he always says the dumbest shit. I've made fun of him previously, this is the guy who said to me this year, "Woah. Dude. Did you know that Joy Division and New Order are like... the same band?"
I had on Pinkerton in my car maybe two years ago and he asked, "What the fuck is this? It sounds like some shitty band pretending to be Weezer." |
did he also fill you in on the joys of expired Teenage Mutant food products?
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You're entitled to feel your feelings about the lyrical subject matter, but of Weezer's sins, the stuff on Pinkerton ranks pretty damn low. |
I dunno. I mean, is it really fair to dismiss Weezer entirely just because of some problematic lyrics from years back when we should really be dismissing them for covering Toto and sounding like a(n even more) neutered version of Twenty One Pilots these days?
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to this day i still don't think i've consciously heard a twenty one pilots song
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consider yourself lucky and continue to live blissfully, my friend.
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if i do it'll be a god damn miracle cos both my friend & girlfriend actively own their album & t-shirts
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Wrong is wrong, whether in the stone or space age, whether the wrongdoer is aware of it or not. I HAVE SPOKEN. |
actually nvm, I don't mean to further derail this thread.
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I dunno. I’ll still take post-MACHINA Billy over post-Green Album Weezer. At least Billy is trying to be on the cutting edge. Rivers just settled into the 90’s alt equivalent of butt rock.
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you guys know you could always just listen to neither
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It’s like listening to Rush Limbaugh or Alex Jones. The sociological train wreck is fascinating.
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For example, there's nothing close to the quality of a track like this on the new Pumpkins album |
This track was as good as anything on the 1st two albums:
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