It already fell out of the top 100. It's doing as bad as Courtney Love's solo album if you can believe it - high 20,000s in first week, and then complete nosedive. At least "Mono" received a bit of airplay. This is embarassing. And I hate to say it - but it motivates the Pumpkins' reunion. Corgan hasn't had a hit album in over 10 years. (And no, Adore WAS a flop.)

that's a shame, it's a good album.

Originally posted by rassmass
This is embarassing.
Why? Its not your album. What do you care about how much it sells as far as appearances go? Are there people you know who go through your record collection and laugh at all the cds you have that didn't go gold? So people didn't buy TFE in droves...that shouldn't be a source for embarassment for anyone but Billy. (and even then only if he was expecting the record to sell well)

he had more working against him than for him.

for the most part, he had to fight against people expecting more of the same pumpkins stuff, so many reviews worked against him as a veteran artist, and it isn't hip-hop or whiny british band slop. also, he's known, so he couldn't get indie praise.

even zwan got promoted.

if only people would have been open minded like they were for sting post police.

i don't get it. the music is seriously good.

Agreed! Word! Part of the problem is the negative peices of shit on this website who claim to be Corgan fans but won't buy the album! If they were true fans Walking Shade would be another hit song! Billy is a constant hit machine!

that he made this album and allowed people like me to hear it, i'm grateful and i don't think he's embarrassed about the commercial result.

someday it will be embraced by the general public when he's dead and gone, like van gogh or numerous other starving artists who died penniless but whose works now fetch millions. i'm explaining this poorly.

positive side is, billy is appreciated in his time, and he isn't penniless, and i think he's grateful for the chances and successes he's had.

many of my favorite cd's never broke billboard 200. i'm just glad the artists put stuff out for me to enjoy instead of holding back if they couldn't predict platinum status.

Originally posted by CorgnRulesRules
Agreed! Word! Part of the problem is the negative peices of shit on this website who claim to be Corgan fans but won't buy the album! If they were true fans Walking Shade would be another hit song! Billy is a constant hit machine!

you don't understand.....the Walking Shade single really didn't receive any radio promotion. Warner Bros. did nothing for the record, Billy has said that. As someone said before, even Zwan received more promotion than this. Notice another thing.....he hasn't done any radio station concerts. That's the way it works....if you do one of their mini festivals you will get more airplay. Zwan played a ton and got airplay, Billy isn't doing that.

The flip side is that I don't think the record was meant to sell a gagillion copies. I'm happy he made it though.

Er, who'd you guys think was gonna buy it? It's not really in step with anything going on in music right now, so I don't think it was poised to sell particularly well.

my fieldtrip to planet 9 by justin warfield is one of my favorite rap albums, but few people ever heard it. anytime i play it, people immediately like it. that's just how it goes sometimes.

Where did you hear this? According to this its still in the top 50:

July 7, 2005

BY JIM DEROGATIS Pop Music Critic


Despite the lackluster performance of Corgan's solo debut, "The Future Embrace," on the Billboard albums chart -- it debuted two weeks ago at No. 31 and is now struggling to maintain a presence in the Top 50 -- it's a strong collection of moving and ultra-melodic electronic pop songs, owing much to his heroes New Order, with echoes of the early '90s "shoegazer" style of atmospheric guitar.

I think you all care about sales more than billy does. He knew it wasn't going to be commercially accepted. I don't think he gives a damn. He is making music he wants to make. No Holds barred. Period. You all need to just enjoy the music for yourself and forget about what everybody else thinks.

I'm not saying that it would be bad if the album sold, but jeez people....look who's dominating the charts and mainstream attention lately? It's a shame because I think this record deserves support, but come on......look who's deemed worthy of attention and then tell me if this record had a chance?

adore went platinum

Originally posted by wounded
adore went platinum

yea it has sold about 1.3 million copies to date in the U.S.

Originally posted by Cherub Angel
that's a shame, it's a good album.


Damn straight! It's too damn bad!

I think you all care about sales more than billy does.

hmm, well, i like that my favorite artists do well. i didnt even like this record, but i was hoping it might sell decently because it was billy and i hope nothing but success for someone who's provided me with such great music in the past.

i think most of us just want him to be successful(most of us are SP/billy fans even underneath some of our overt frustrations with them/him on the boards), so when we see it doing badly, we're a little sad because we wanted billy to get better sales for his first solo album rather than thinking it would affect us. we know billy doesnt care, but if it sold better and was accepted a bit more im sure he wouldn't mind at all.

i hope nothing but success for someone who's provided me with such great music in the past.

and for me, i'd add that the higher visibility will lure in people who might totally enjoy this music. i want people to have a chance to hear it. there's so much music out there that it's hard for me to hear all i want to hear. it saddens me i won't hear lots of music i'd connect to.

Yes, Adore is platinum, since when the hell is that a flop? I'm listen to a lot of bands that only print 10,000 copies of and album period, and Billy sold more than 20,000 in his first week.

Originally posted by rassmass
It already fell out of the top 100. It's doing as bad as Courtney Love's solo album if you can believe it - high 20,000s in first week, and then complete nosedive. At least "Mono" received a bit of airplay. This is embarassing. And I hate to say it - but it motivates the Pumpkins' reunion. Corgan hasn't had a hit album in over 10 years. (And no, Adore WAS a flop.)


Like I said before, TFE is not going to be top 40. It's going to fall into that category of special interests, for where fans are concerned. Adore is the same. Adore was also released at the worst time. When all of the boy bands and britneys were coming off of the assembly line.

Promotion is a big deal when it comes to selling records.
There is no rotten apple among Billy's discography.
His music is challenging & emotional, it has depth. And technically good. (good songs) Some people can't take that and just want to listen to flat music. You can't take Ushers Yeah serious! shitty song

I never saw walking shade on mtv.
Crittics in Europe are very possitive about TFE.
Record sales don't say anything in it's first year imo.
Imo, if you liked the Pumpkins, you can dislike the sound of TFE... but not the songs. Billy writes in like Billy.
TheCameraEye is not that different from Age Of Innocence.
MOH is TEITBEITE pt 2

Anyway, this album rocks as much as Siamese Dream or Adore or any other BC album!

Seems to me Billy is much more popular and supported outside of the U.S.

With Adore, just see it this way:
When it came out, it did not sell as much as Siamese Dream or MCIS. But it still sells today.

Vannila Ice sold A lot op cd's when he had that hit.
Nobody's buying a Vanilla Ice cd nowadays.

So what's a hit & what's a flop.

In my humble opinion: It doesn't matter what it sells, if you like the songs, its a hit...to you. If you dont like em, you're dissapointed & it's a flop... to you!

After SD MCIS was a flop to some people... (not to me btw)
It's the best selling SP album.

Recoed Companies like to say an album is a flop when the don't sell as much as they thought they would. In the log run, adore will meet their "flop/hit line" and the flop/hit switch will be pushed.
Isnt Vannila Ice out of print now??

oh there were also bad reviews in Europe offcourse, lotsa tastes & opinions in Europe! But overal it was pretty good.
Warner did the same promotion in Europe as in the USA. Which is... like...almost nothing.

When the Pumpkins came to town, even in my small town, 1,5 hour away from the place they where gonna play, everyway you looked there were large posters & stuff. Now that's promotion!

so, a man who left his known band the smashing pumpkins 5 years ago, didnt have hardly any radio play, and did shows for crowds of barely hundreds instead of thousands at most shows, selling 30,000 his first week surprises you? alot of people dont know who billy corgan is, but merely know him as the guy in smashing pumpkins, sad but true, used to be one of my brothers favorite bands back in the 90s, i told him recently billy corgan had a new album out and he said "who"?

hes doing good for the type of promotion he got if you wanna be honest about it, there were no videos, no radio play and no huge shows to speak about....what do you expect something like that to sell? platinum? if it would have had a video or 2, a song or 2 playing on stations and more shows in the U.S. , you dont think it would have sold twice what it did??? theres probably still thousands of people who liked the pumpkins/billy fans from back in the day who doesnt even know this "new" album exists lol

it isnt like it was all over MTV or anything


still my favorite album in the past while of years easily, i dont care what it sold.

I know I've been vocally against TFE based on the 4-track EP on this forum, but I recently heard To Love Somedboy, All Things Change and TheCameraEye and you know what?

They were ok.

But get some musical perspective people. Digital Ash completely shits on TFE and I don't even rate Bright Eyes' that much. You all say the songs are good, and yes they do have classic Billy melodies, at least partly, but they also have some godawful Marked-esque sections and a muggy, suffocating production which sounds, if anything, outdated and unadventurous. Also lyrically it's pretty poor. Now if this is coming from a Billy fan do you really think it stands a chance with the general populous? (And anybody about to seriously suggest TFE is better than Digitial Ash can save their breathe for someone with an equally delusional appreciation of Corgan's work)

If anything I'm glad his new album has flopped. Because he is capable of so much better but his general twattish nature is leading him down avenues which is crippling his talent. Soon no-one will care. TFE isn't "finding new energies," it's stifling them.

Originally posted by Woody
Digital Ash completely shits on TFE and I don't even rate Bright Eyes' that much.

(And anybody about to seriously suggest TFE is better than Digitial Ash can save their breathe for someone with an equally delusional appreciation of Corgan's work)


I think TFE is better than Digital Ash, and I like both albums quite a bit. I believe the electronic sound suits Billy MUCH better than it does Conor Oberst, which is why I think TFE came out better. On the other hand, I'm Wide Awake It's Morning blows TFE away.

Originally posted by Corganist

Why? Its not your album. What do you care about how much it sells as far as appearances go? Are there people you know who go through your record collection and laugh at all the cds you have that didn't go gold? So people didn't buy TFE in droves...that shouldn't be a source for embarassment for anyone but Billy. (and even then only if he was expecting the record to sell well)

People get embarassed because they wrap too much of Billy and TSP into their own identity.

I, being a disgustingly loyal fan to any endevor of Corgan have to say, altho TFE's bombing out didn't embarass me, the goggles do.

I don't like the album very much (if at all), so I'm glad its not doing well and he annouced the SP reunion. I don't have to hear these types of meandering, go-nowhere, goth-sythn-pop songs anymore. Whoot.

Adore was awesome! Some songs were like beer....they have an aquired taste.

Originally posted by Quiet


I think TFE is better than Digital Ash, and I like both albums quite a bit. I believe the electronic sound suits Billy MUCH better than it does Conor Oberst, which is why I think TFE came out better. On the other hand, I'm Wide Awake It's Morning blows TFE away.

Well I disagree but respect your opinion because you didn't respond with a pro-Billy, anti-Conor Oberst post.

I'm of the unusual position of preferring Digital Ash to Wide Awake. The latter burnt out quickly for me whereas the former has bloomed into something special.

As long as we all enjoy what we listen to is the main thing, I just guess after seeing Corgan's commercial flops in the past I'm surprised anybody thinks TFE's "tanking" was unexpected, or that it deserved better. ;)

Originally posted by br191804
He knew it wasn't going to be commercially accepted. I don't think he gives a damn.

Is that why he decided to reform SP? The band that made him musically relevant and important? Believe me, he gives a damn.

Originally posted by rassmass


Is that why he decided to reform SP? The band that made him musically relevant and important? Believe me, he gives a damn.

yes that's exactly why:rolleyes: oh and adore wasn't a flop!

Originally posted by RockLobster


yes that's exactly why:rolleyes: oh and adore wasn't a flop!

It didn't have a hit single, it recieved no airplay on MTV, it sold 1/4 as many as the last two albums, etc etc etc

glad to hear Digital Ash mentioned. i've always wanted to make the comparison but since i'm a bright eyes fanboy it would and should have been dismissed. the sad part is, billy's done similar things to TFE in the past (on an individual song level) while conor had pretty much left the genre untouched until Digital Ash, and he executed it a million times better.

and i like morning better, but digital ash is a worthy contender. they're both in my top 20 all time. see what i mean about being a fanboy.