My point is simple: Billy Corgan wasn't "the smashing pumpkins", And his recent stuff just proves my point. I don't hate him, I hate theseutherfockers (usually noobs) to whom this band didn't even existed. They show total disrespect to other members (who are no longer loyal to him) and talk shit about their talents knowing nothing about their real contributions to the sound.

Few words about walking shade (or that genious bottle farting):

I expected something really huge .,Nothing special about the melody the song has this typical ectro-pop structure, those 80's drums, electronic (kinda) bass , The song itself is nothing special at all, Lyrics are so-so , vocals are good , something from zwan era - exactly what i expected. The song itself has nothing to do with pumpkins stuff, if the rest of the album will have the same vibe then I don't really know what these catholic school boys/girls who say that Billy Corgan "was the Smashing Pumpkins" will really do, this record will destroy their entirte philosophy. To me this song shows that he's a great lyricist whose bright days are gone, it also shows that he finally has a voice (although i personally prefer the "pig Latin" kinda voice he had in the pumpkins ).

As for his look the only thing I can think of are those promo shots for that japanese version of adore.

Of course you can't judge the entire record by one song,But I have a suspicion that it really reflects the record. And if it really does than Billy's album is nothing special compared to records of other members.

Originally posted by Moron 5

Of course you can't judge the entire record by one song,But I have a suspicion that it really reflects the record.

tell us more, then!

So what I got from you post is that because Billy's solo songs dont have the same sound as his pumpkin stuff he was therefor not the "pumpkins" primary sound driver? If that's your point it's flawed, because it doesn't take into consideration that Billy likes to make things that sound different from the last thing he made, of course there will always be some flavors of his past in anything he does but in general he tries to do new interesting stuff (even if not everyone finds it interesting or good, he at least wants to feel it is so).

or did i read your point wrong?

no hes just a moron

Originally posted by melodic skys
So what I got from you post is that because Billy's solo songs dont have the same sound as his pumpkin stuff he was therefor not the "pumpkins" primary sound driver? If that's your point it's flawed, because it doesn't take into consideration that Billy likes to make things that sound different from the last thing he made, of course there will always be some flavors of his past in anything he does but in general he tries to do new interesting stuff (even if not everyone finds it interesting or good, he at least wants to feel it is so).

or did i read your point wrong?

Artisic value of SP's music is much higher, his "solo" stuff is a typical "artie" stuff you can hear everywhere from streetmusicians or wannabe poets. if he wasnt the songwriter of my favorite band I wouldn't even plan to buy that CD, the sucess of this record will depent on the budget spent by the lable on videos, and nothing else. I wonder how hes gonna tour with this stuff. As I said it has a typical electro pop sound. There's nothing bad about electro-pop (gwen stefani obviously rulez) but I expected something more original , and less linear from him.

Originally posted by Moron 5

There's nothing bad about electro-pop (gwen stefani obviously rulez) :rofl:

Originally posted by melodic skys
So what I got from you post is that because Billy's solo songs dont have the same sound as his pumpkin stuff he was therefor not the "pumpkins" primary sound driver?

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Originally posted by Pumpkins23836
:rofl:

http://www.ricoontheradio.com/images/gwen.jpg http://www.wxrt.com/program/images/corgan.jpg

Billy Sold out the ice cream.

[End of story]

Originally posted by vitaldust
no hes just a moron

yes he's just a moron, just like you and me , just like everyone of us.

Peace , brother!

I'm not saying I disagree with you, but did you ever consider the possibility that the songs he's writting now are different (or worse, deppending on your view) than the pumpkins material because he is trying to explore a new territory or kind of move away from the past?

Originally posted by Sloppy Echo
I'm not saying I disagree with you, but did you ever consider the possibility that the songs he's writting now are different (or worse, deppending on your view) than the pumpkins material because he is trying to explore a new territory or kind of move away from the past?

They are different , because of this and because he's no longer working with musicians he used to work with.

Originally posted by DeviousJ


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LOL

Billy Corgan Sound Driver v4.3.1

Bug Fixes:
Removed Immoral Band Members
Improved Live singing voice

Feature List:
More open to meeting fans
New method to writing songs
New myspace page (w/autobioblogs)

Know Issues:
Can't get Netphoria off my back
Can't get rid of "why are you bald" questions


I personally can't wait for version 4.4

Originally posted by Moron 5
They are different , because of this and because he's no longer working with musicians he used to work with.
My suspicion is that Billy has almost all the ideas, but his ideas are filtered and augmented by those he's working with. With the Pumpkins, the other three defined the shape that the band's music took. With this solo stuff, he's relying on Bjorn Thorsrud and Bon Harris, who clearly don't have the same musical aesthetic, for good/bad/awesome. (So far the sound of "futuristic" appears to be '80s new wave/techno plus '00s technology — uh, right, guys, really futuristic. But I'll wait until I've heard the entire album, thanks.)

In any case, why get worked up by people who aren't approaching a particular album (and I can't stress how important it is to keep things in perspective... it's just an album FFS, lighten up) from the same direction as you? Do you really think the former members of the Pumpkins really care what a bunch of morons post about them on an internet messageboard?!

Originally posted by Sloppy Echo
I'm not saying I disagree with you, but did you ever consider the possibility that the songs he's writting now are different (or worse, deppending on your view) than the pumpkins material because he is trying to explore a new territory or kind of move away from the past?

This kind of argument is a *big* pet peeve of mine. I absolutely don't have a problem with my favorite bands moving in new directions (radiohead anyone?)...The point is that they successfully strive for quality in whatever they do -- I stress 'successfully'. And anyway respected musicians are generally expected to evolve, and while I might love a band that keeps going with the same sound (interpol for example) I'd appreciate them a whole lot more if I knew they were more than just a one-trick pony.
In conclusion, you need to just come out and say it: You believe billy can do no wrong.

Originally posted by cheeky

In conclusion, you need to just come out and say it: You believe billy can do no wrong.
This argument is a big pet peeve of mine, and is every bit as lame as the "you should like it because he's trying new things" argument. Just because a person like the new direction doesn't mean they think Billy can do no wrong. Maybe they actually just like the music. Is that so hard to comprehend?

Sorry, just seems a tad hypocritical that you'd criticize someone for saying that you should like the new stuff with an argument that basically says you're deluded if you like it. Let people like it or not like. Its just an opinion.

Originally posted by Moron 5


They are different , because of this and because he's no longer working with musicians he used to work with.

Or maybe it's different because he really wants it to be?

I mean, I think D'arcy and James and Jimmy really had a important input on the Pumpkins sound, but Billy was the big brain behind it all. I'm sure if Billy really wanted something to sound like the Pumpkins used to he would be able to recreate that sound. I'm not saying that he would be as sucessul or as good as before (no one can really tell that at this moment) but at least he would be much closer than where he is heading right now.

I think these songs sound a bit different because he really wants them to sound different. As simple as that. Billy isn't trying to make a psychadelic rock album like Gish or monster rock record like Mellon Collie. I just think he's trying to find his own "area". You may think it's bad or that it sucks, but that is whole different subject.

Originally posted by cheeky


This kind of argument is a *big* pet peeve of mine. I absolutely don't have a problem with my favorite bands moving in new directions (radiohead anyone?)...The point is that they successfully strive for quality in whatever they do -- I stress 'successfully'. And anyway respected musicians are generally expected to evolve, and while I might love a band that keeps going with the same sound (interpol for example) I'd appreciate them a whole lot more if I knew they were more than just a one-trick pony.
In conclusion, you need to just come out and say it: You believe billy can do no wrong.

I respect Billy for trying different things. I think that's very important for any kind of respectable artist. But that doesn't mean I like everything he does. Bowie is one of my favorite songwriters, he tried so many different things and played with many styles but he also released a lot of shit back in the days (specially in the 80s). Now I look back and I see a great musician that tried to shape his art and take it to different levels. I respect him a lot for that. But do I like every single song he released? Hell no.
Same happens with Billy. I like most of his work (otherwise I wouldn't be here) but there are songs, even by the Pumpkins that didn't get my attention and I'm sure he will write more songs that I won't like all that much. He might even take a direction that I don't like. But hey: that's the risks you have to face when you're a musician that has the will to go forward and to find new limits.

Originally posted by Corganist

... Maybe they actually just like the music. Is that so hard to comprehend?...


I agree with you on this point, it seems like there is no room for someone to genuinely like his new stuff around here.

Originally posted by Corganist

This argument is a big pet peeve of mine, and is every bit as lame as the "you should like it because he's trying new things" argument. Just because a person like the new direction doesn't mean they think Billy can do no wrong. Maybe they actually just like the music. Is that so hard to comprehend?

Sorry, just seems a tad hypocritical that you'd criticize someone for saying that you should like the new stuff with an argument that basically says you're deluded if you like it. Let people like it or not like. Its just an opinion.

well i didn't mean to suggest that liking this new music = delusion (or did I? :cool: ) No, I was just pointing to the justification that's used for why everyone else is not in total agreement about how fabulous this new stuff is. Like maybe we have legitimate reasons, besides being closeminded or 'living in the past.'
Btw I somewhat like 'walking shade,' but right now like is a far, far way from love, OR serious respect.