Im ready to get chewed out for saying this.. but comon... if you really think that this song is amazing music.. and god dammit I love billy corgan.. I really do.. but that as a single better yet.. chosen for the albumm!!!. I am just so dissapointed right now.. more of a walking shame :(



Ok tell me off :)

yeah

hmmm, I've only heard that 50 econd clip and was really unimpressed myself. I agree, I'm a huge Corgan supporter but That song did nothing for me so far I guess

Im not one to even say his music sucks.. never have i ever been this dissapointed...! NEVER@!

Im giving it another listen... maybe justy maybe.. Ill like it more

its not what i expected.. I thought it would be less....upbeat...but I need a few more listens to judge it...However, my initial reaction is that it is not a 'great' song, mediocre to good at best.

I hate to compare it to the past, but as far as singles go...... listen to thirty three then tell me which song gives you chills down your spine. I just don't get the same emotional feedback from Walking Shade.

Piano Crying Tree >>>>>>>>Walking Shade

and I hated it on Machina

I know billys goin for something different here, but I dont know if im capable of liking it....I want to like it badly but I don't want to force myself. Im just hoping the rest of the album shows me something more.

no... its no siamese, MCIS, or adore so far... but i like it better than MSOTS and machina, maybe thats just me though

its def. not horrible though... i think you're expectations are just set so high cause its corgan. shit ill listen to this any day of the week over some other shitty ass song thats on the radio today.

fuck you!

I love it. I think it's got a very nice melody, and I bet that there's a lot of neat little instrumental bits hidden beneath all that radio fuzz; for example, the just-audible Cure-ish "plinking" and some nice warm harmonies in the chorus.

:)

I love it too. I think its really good.

I like it. It is way different, buit change isn't always bad. Open you mind and enjoy new music from a musical genius. It is nice to hear a fresh style from him. Go Billy!

but that as a single better yet..
i WILL give you that comment though... won't make it as a single, but i wasnt really expecting any of it to. hoping is all.

Just listened to it.

I must be in the minority here... I actually like it. It's not perfect, and there are things I think I'd like to be different about it, such as the opening vocals not being so boring-sounding. But yeah, this is definitely another taste of something that really doesn't sound anything like anything he's done before.

Here's my take. This album doesn't seem like it's supposed to be taken as seriously as Pumpkins records. It's supposed to be a fresh sound for his audience to enjoy. You're supposed to enjoy it. If you can only enjoy music when it's as heavy and deep as Adore, or Mellon Collie, then this record probably isn't for you.

...and I think most people who are Pumpkins/Billy fans can't except that. I think it's hard for Billy fans to understand a world where Billy makes music that doesn't reflect their taste. So haters of this song seem to me to be people who are disappointed that he didn't "snap out of it" and make another Siamese Dream, or Adore. I think they see his Pumpkins work as his best, and it probably was. I think it was. So if you can't enjoy anything of his that's outside of the heavy-bubble, don't buy this record. But I also think this record could be tight to have on in the car while driving... to not have it carry such a heavy persona whenever I listen to it, even if it's not his best work.

In the 80's, there wasn't a whole lot of music that the audience was supposed to take in, and absorb, and pick apart in the darkness of their bedroom, and cry to, and relate to, and be inspired by, etc. So listen to TFE as an album that's just about a tight 45 minutes of music that entertains you. It works better that way.

until Jerome posted, this was just a thread of noobs bitching.

shut the fuck up, it will probably grow on you the way adore did. and if it doesn't, oh well, go listen to your blink 182 cd's.

im going to wait until i heard a good version of it where i can actually hear the music and not distorted recording/streams whatever...

machina is still my favorite piece of billy's catalog... always will be i think.

Originally posted by Voice Implodes
until Jerome posted, this was just a thread of noobs bitching.

shut the fuck up, it will probably grow on you the way adore did. and if it doesn't, oh well, go listen to your blink 182 cd's.

Right..to me your a noob...i'm pretty sure i've been here since 99

Right..to me your a noob...i'm pretty sure i've been here since 99

I have as well, in spite of my post count....

July 1999...

Originally posted by Jerome
fuck you!
^ This one

seriously, I'd wait until you guys hear a good, clean version of the song before you draw heavy opinion. From what I hear [basic levels of like or dislike] is that I like it. It's different from what he's done before.

actually, you're definitely being harsh in naming this subject "Walking Shade is Horrible." It's really not. It's not what you expected....but there's really nothing about the song that makes it "horrible."

It's not THAT different, I find both songs to sound Machina-esque.

i like the song. i dont love it or think its anything great, but it is ok. a100 is much much better though

I'm yet to hear it..:(

I can't understand why so many people want to put the cart before the horse here. I would assume that what brought us this far was an appreciation of SP's music, first and foremost. So why is it repeatedly made out to be a travesty when anyone suggests that maybe this recent music ain't so hot? Somehow, this attitude means we're "stuck in the past" and "need to learn how to appreciate new music." I listen to new music from almost every single kind of genre all the time - this is not about being closeminded towards exploring new directions in music. It is however about realizing that I didn't start listening to the pumpkins back in the day because of someone named Billy Corgan; I listened to them because the music they made was the shit and it just so happend that Billy was the one behind it all. If for whatever reason, his music is no longer as wonderful as it once was, then there shouldn't be a problem in saying so.
What's going on here is plain ol celebrity worship. I say love Billy all you want, but the music should be allowed to speak for itself. I'll only force myself to listen to something so long before I decide I just don't like it - and I'm not going to make exceptions just cuz it's you know who. (and as if you couldn't tell by now i'm not a fan of waking shade)

yup. hating on the newbies. it's like netphoria's mccarthyism, even though it's all quite relative and post counts can be woefully deceiving. i should say - i've only been coming here since 96. but I never post, so I wonder what that makes me?

Originally posted by cheeky
yup. hating on the newbies. it's like netphoria's mccarthyism, even though it's all quite relative and post counts can be woefully deceiving. i should say - i've only been coming here since 96. but I never post, so I wonder what that makes me?
Shut up, newbie!

This is why I wanted this album to leak instead of a song at the time like it's happening right now... Also, you people should calm down, wait for a better version of the song (with no fuckin DJs or bad quality sound) and also I think these songs will be valued within the context of the album.

My opinion for now is that I like it, it's very catchy and I really think this album will be amazing from what I heard in these songs that leaked.

yes the album should be leaked completed.......A100 was a fukin good tune....but this walking shade is a fukin shame . sorry guys, its nothing... it repetitive and its baddly repetitive.....and im trying to think why corgan´s lyrics nowadays goes always around love and love and love...my god he wants to change, but the love love love love keeps repeting....like "i just want u so...." like 20 times in 2 minutes.....really cant understand!!!! On a last apreciation it looks like a karaoke thing of a asong by "the killers" (i like them)......for me, the worst corgan (sp+zwan) song ever......and by the way ...A100 fukin rules!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by pedrodealmeida
...but the love love love love keeps repeting....like "i just want u so...."

i just want your soul

"the killers" (i like them)

that explains a lot.

what i mean is that if he wants something diferente man, ok for me, but stop the lame......muse´s bellamy can make diferent songs from album to album without getting repetitive and lame.......once more i say, i loved A100, but this walking shame is just to lame....yes i like the killers...and this song looks a lot like the killers....so why am i not satisfied? cause corgan is way better than the killers, and he can do so much better than this lammmmmmmmmme song!!!!!!!!!

when someone says matt bellamy isn't repetitive, and then says that a song billy's brought out sounds like the killers, it makes you want to kill yourself.

Originally posted by pedrodealmeida
yes the album should be leaked completed.......A100 was a fukin good tune....but this walking shade is a fukin shame . sorry guys, its nothing... it repetitive and its baddly repetitive.....and im trying to think why corgan´s lyrics nowadays goes always around love and love and love...my god he wants to change, but the love love love love keeps repeting....like "i just want u so...." like 20 times in 2 minutes.....really cant understand!!!! On a last apreciation it looks like a karaoke thing of a asong by "the killers" (i like them)......for me, the worst corgan (sp+zwan) song ever......and by the way ...A100 fukin rules!!!!!!!!!

I don't get it. You say you don't like the song because it is repetitive and yet you say Zwan songs are better. The songs on MSOTS were very repetitive and you find this song worse?

Worst song ever? Geez. It's ok if you do't like the song, it's your opinion and all that, but saying it's the worst seong Corgan ever wrote? Sorry but that's bullshit.

Originally posted by Boseph


i just want your soul .
i just want you so !

1st - muse´s bellamy is never ever repetitive....

2nd - i must say that for me any zwan song is better then walking shame...(even settle down that inded is repetitive but hey it has something that this just dont have)

3rd - its also true that we (i) should wait to put the song in the middle of the album, and mostly, should hear it with a good source before say anything about it.....but 4th

4th - its just a surprising deception, cause i was really digging the A100 sound (like some sort of dark adore goth beat), and this breaks it alll

5th - people that will hear it on radio will just think the same they did about honestly...lame bullshit

1) That is your opinion. I enjoy most of his songs and I like Muse. But his last album is kind of the same thing it used to be. Sure there are some changes, but the song structures and the tricks he uses are all very common in his work. Muse isn't an example of extreme creativity and imaginitive music as much as you like them.

2) Well that's also your opinion and you're entitled to have it. I just think that you can't say that the song sucks because it's repetitive and then say Zwan was better. That's an inconsistent statement :p

3) Yeah.

4) I think I also like A100 more than this one but as I said I really want to hear all the songs and listen to the album as a whole piece.

5) Who cares about what people that listen to radio think?

I think it is great, this song is a breath of fresh air. I can exhale now, this album will be amazing! These new songs will fit in well with the rest of corgan's masterpeices! Everyone is already trying to compare these songs to songs they have been listen to for 10 years...that's really not fair. These new songs will be the frame work for new memories. Let go of the old songs, billy did.

Originally posted by Reyngel
So listen to TFE as an album that's just about a tight 45 minutes of music that entertains you. It works better that way.

MSotS?

I stand corrected on the "i just want you so/ i just want your soul" thing, but one more thing needs to be said...

Muse suck. So so so hard.

Really.

Originally posted by azvd


MSotS?

he said "entertain" not "annoy".

Originally posted by pedrodealmeida
muse´s bellamy is never ever repetitive....

put on.. let me think.. plug in baby..

Now, right before the chorus, you know that part where it's not even a drumroll, it's like every other hit of a drumroll?

I can't think of a term to describe it, but it starts off quietly and gets louder and louder till they hit into the chorus?

Now seriously, they do that shit ALL the fucking time. I've heard it frequently in their songs. And I know a few people who love them, plus I've had Showbiz and have been forced to listen to origin of symmetry extensively.

Now I liked their first album, but now, I do find them repetitive and bland. All their songs are just mixed up in my head now because they're so similar.

Is it Bliss that just sounds like a cheap version of Space Dementia?

I've pointed this out multiple times, because when I realised it it bugged the shit out of me, but go back and listen to Muse, and listen to Matt literally gasping in air before every fucking line he sings, it's so irritating.

I'm not in any way trying to defend walking shade, I've not listened to it or A100, I just feel that billy is one of the few songwriters I know of who has constantly evolved and never stayed stagnant with their sound, and it bugged me that you brought up muse, because I think they are definitely guilty of this.

Originally posted by Boseph
he said "entertain" not "annoy".

Yeah, but I was focusing on what Bolly might have wanted from MSotS, and not what he actually got.

WS was a bit of a letdown because A100 was sounding so nice, this dark, slow music. But still better than a Djali acoustic thing.

Originally posted by azvd


Yeah, but I was focusing on what Bolly might have wanted from MSotS, and not what he actually got.

WS was a bit of a letdown because A100 was sounding so nice, this dark, slow music. But still better than a Djali acoustic thing.


after all this is what i think....

wELL...i really don't know what i think...
I don't know what i feel when i listened to walking shade...i wanna see the video and...i don't know!!
Maybe i'm a little ashamed...i was waiting for something more...but i only know that i'll go to see bILLY next 4 of june in barcelona, the place where i live...but...first of all... i have to listen to the entire record but...my expectatives are know...bufff...i'm sad...
Perhaps i have to listen too much times "walking shade"...
I don't know!!!

I quite like it. I'll reserve my final judgement until I hear a better quality version, but I think I like it more than A100. It has a cool melody.

Again, not the greatest thing Billy's ever done. I'm still hoping there will be some songs on the album that really hit me hard. Because so far i've LIKED both the songs, but neither have fully restored my faith in Billy's abilities.

But it's too early to tell, really.

Originally posted by pedrodealmeida
1st - muse´s bellamy is never ever repetitive....

2nd - i must say that for me any zwan song is better then walking shame...(even settle down that inded is repetitive but hey it has something that this just dont have)

3rd - its also true that we (i) should wait to put the song in the middle of the album, and mostly, should hear it with a good source before say anything about it.....but 4th

4th - its just a surprising deception, cause i was really digging the A100 sound (like some sort of dark adore goth beat), and this breaks it alll

5th - people that will hear it on radio will just think the same they did about honestly...lame bullshit

Muse haven't made a decent album since showbiz.
Bellamys poor Jeff Buckley voice mixed in with Tom Morrelo guitar is pissing me right off! Do not compare The Pumpkins Or Corgan to Muse.Muse are children. Understood?

Originally posted by Radiofred


Muse haven't made a decent album since showbiz.
Bellamys poor Jeff Buckley voice mixed in with Tom Morrelo guitar is pissing me right off! Do not compare The Pumpkins Or Corgan to Muse.Muse are children. Understood?


well...no matter what people think about other bands and other genius.....i think i need to hear the full future embrace so that i can belive corgan again......

Originally posted by Radiofred
Muse are children. Understood?

Have I told you lately that I loved you fred?

PS you are too tall for this thread xxx

Hi to all again!!
...i think i like it! yeah! i like it! much more than A100...but better wait for the album!!

i fuckin love it. the lyrics are great too. i really like how his voice sounds when he says " i just want you so " the second time in each verse. i think a lot of people are just shocked at how different it sounds

Two cats up! Walking Shade is a great song. Better than Machina`s first single, Everlasting Flægg. I got a splægg on my ægg you know?

The lyrics are great! The melody is fine.. I`m Happy:)

Originally posted by Cherub Angel
seriously, I'd wait until you guys hear a good, clean version of the song before you draw heavy opinion. From what I hear [basic levels of like or dislike] is that I like it. It's different from what he's done before.

actually, you're definitely being harsh in naming this subject "Walking Shade is Horrible." It's really not. It's not what you expected....but there's really nothing about the song that makes it "horrible."


I feel bad for Billy. He just gets done making his highly anticipated cd and two songs get leaked and his supposed fans say they suck. That is not such great support. You have to give it a chance. I am sure that most didn't like Adore when it 1st came out. After listening to it for a long time, then you start to like it. This could be the same here. This song reminds me sort of LMGTWTY from Machina 2 and Real Love. I love hearing new fresh music from him. I already know he is one of the top musician/songwriters out of the last 10-15 years.

This song sounds new wave to me. I feel he is going after an older target audience with this album. I like it a lot! It's catchy!

Originally posted by YA5H
i fuckin love it. the lyrics are great too. i really like how his voice sounds when he says " i just want you so " the second time in each verse. i think a lot of people are just shocked at how different it sounds

I am totally diggin this song. It is catchy as hell. I like this song better than A100, even though I also like that song too. Go Billy!!!!!

this reminds me of perfect. it was upbeat and fulfilled all pop song cliches, it was just too happy for a pumpkins song.
and it was a single!
the album was still good. and perfect was indeed perfect when performed live acoustically.

dunno but maybe it's the same here. haven't heard walking shade yet.

Originally posted by Glenna Glynis
I think it is great, this song is a breath of fresh air. I can exhale now, this album will be amazing! These new songs will fit in well with the rest of corgan's masterpeices! Everyone is already trying to compare these songs to songs they have been listen to for 10 years...that's really not fair. These new songs will be the frame work for new memories. Let go of the old songs, billy did.

Perfectly said. I have been trying to say that for a long time and no one listens to me. Billy is not going to make any more Siamese Dream cds so don't wait for it. If you don't like his new music, then get off the bandwagon. Just please don't post all negative comments because there a lot of people who like his new music and can't wait for the album. For some strange reason, it is cool to hate on Billy and everything he does. This man is a musical genius and he deserves respect. I don't know many other artists/bands that keep changing their music each cd and still continue to make hits. it's amazing how he does it! He is so amazing and he doesn't even get the credit he deserves.

This is awesome! Billy will be making music for a long time to come. He will be the next Bob Dylan. I can't wait!

i personally don't like it yet.

'yet' is the term.

Muse are a good bunch but I don't see much diff. between Showbiz and Absolution except louder and all. Seen the boys play here several times and they're good enough but no Pumpkins. Walking Shade sounds decent. It is catchy. I'm kinda glad it sounds diff. than SP myself. Maybe i'm a nutter. :D

ok ...
just to give more support to this GREAT song ... it happens that I love, and I couldn't stop thinking of the song the whole day, things that didn't happened for ME with ZWAN.

so I think walking sahde it's really interesting, I mean ... just listen to the lyrics

"On the 9th day God created Shame "

Billy's back!

anyway, just thought it was fair to make a post on how good the song is, since many have stated it is "horrible"

Walking Shade was kinda gay.

A100 was kinda lame.

0 for 2, Bolly. 3 strikes, and I download the album instead.

But as gay as Walking Shade was, friggin that annoucer was EVEN WORSE.

"Echs Belle Corgsan. Fressh ta dew hish ownn thang."

Originally posted by Ugly
But as gay as Walking Shade was, friggin that annoucer was EVEN WORSE.

"Echs Belle Corgsan. Fressh ta dew hish ownn thang."

Ah Zane Lowe. Imagine him being on MTV like 3 or 4 hours a day, because he is

Originally posted by ojman
ok ...
just to give more support to this GREAT song ... it happens that I love, and I couldn't stop thinking of the song the whole day, things that didn't happened for ME with ZWAN.

so I think walking sahde it's really interesting, I mean ... just listen to the lyrics

"On the 9th day God created Shame "

Billy's back!

anyway, just thought it was fair to make a post on how good the song is, since many have stated it is "horrible"

This song has been in my head the entire day. It is damn catchy. His voice sounds great. It is so nice to hear fresh music from him. I am happy that he is making different stuff too. He has much more room to grow muscially and lyrically.

Originally posted by Ugly
Walking Shade was kinda gay.

A100 was kinda lame.

0 for 2, Bolly. 3 strikes, and I download the album instead.

Because it is different/unique? Go download the album if you want. You don't have to threaten him with it. If you don't like it, then download it then.

Lot's of people here think it's lame. Whatever. I don't see how people can LOVE A100 and hate this. It's not that different.


But whatever. In a perfect world everyone would hate his solo album and I could go to the concert without anyone else around :)


So please don't buy the album and don't go to the show. The less their are of you, the closer I get to the stage.

ALSO. I might like to point out that Walking Shade's lyrics are a lot darker than A100.

Originally posted by Corgan Rules



Its about as gay as the name "Corgan Rules", there's your freakin answer right there.

i hope the announcer is actually on the cd version of walking shade just to piss everyone off, and omg listen to all the bitching you guys are doing, you get a clipped off version of possibly the worst job at ripping song in the history of ripped music from the internet and nobody likes it?? well duh, the quality sounded like i drug my cure albums through a mud pit and played them on a vinyl record player.

the song will be better when it's being unwrapped violently at 7:30am on june 21st, everyone just needs to chill the fuck out.

Justin, you don't want to be on a concert when no one else is there :)

I like the song. The music touches me. And am I the only one who finds it also quite a bit melancholic? There's just something in his singing that just wasn't there with Zwan, but with the Pumpkins. And more. I have to say I have never been so surprised by his singing since Tales of a Scorched Earth.

I also dig the production so much. TheFutureEmbrace is an excellent title for this album. It sounds futuristic in a retro sense, very cool. It also sounds like the album is going to be a lot like Adore, but who knows?

I agree when people say that Billy's melody writing has gotten weaker, though. Except for the "on the 9th day" line I have the feeling that I have listened to these melodies on other albums. Though never in this context. The album is going to be different. I'm very excited :)

Originally posted by Quiet CD
im going to wait until i heard a good version of it where i can actually hear the music and not distorted recording/streams whatever...

machina is still my favorite piece of billy's catalog... always will be i think.

What are you favorite songs on that cd? I really like it too. My fav's are: SIYL, I of the Mourning, This Time, With Every light and wound. I think I am one of the only pumpkins songs that like Raindrops and Sunshowers (or whatever it is).

It's hard for me to pick my favorite album. I have been battling this question for a long time. Of course Mellon Collie and Siamese are great, but I really love Adore. I really adore that album. I also really like Machina 2. Some of my favorites on that one are: Slow Dawn, LMGTWTY, Vanity, Home, Saturnine (greatest hits versionj, etc.

Originally posted by ShotFullOfDiamonds


Have I told you lately that I loved you fred?

PS you are too tall for this thread xxx

*attempts to enter thread*












*bangs head on door frame*

Originally posted by GlasgowKiss


*bangs door frame*

sir that was entirely inappropriate

Originally posted by Mariner


sir that was entirely inappropriate

Im the Zorro of sex with inanimate objects.

*whips it out, slash slash slash*

Originally posted by GlasgowKiss


Im the Zorro of sex with inanimate objects.

*whips it out, slash slash slash*

last time i checked andyslash seemed pretty animated

Originally posted by Mariner


last time i checked andyslash seemed pretty animated

Rohypnol.

poor guy



...i mean

that's hot

Originally posted by Esotarious


Right..to me your a noob...i'm pretty sure i've been here since 99

ahahahhaah

dipshit 1: you're a noob
dipshit 2: no you're a noob
dipshit 3: no YOU'RE a noob

me: STUPID MOTHERFUCKERS