Hey everyone. Today is the day that all the audio packages will go out. Thanks to everyone that responded and I hope that you are happy with your product. I would like to hear some of your reactions.

Now, to start the next and hopefully last phase. Since we recovered most of the money for the tapes through the audio phase, the video phase will just be the cost of transferring, packaging, and whatever DVD (if that is the medium) costs we would incur. I personally don't have the ability to do this kind of transfer so I am leaving this up to you guys. What medium do you want this in? Who do you want to do the transfer? For whatever the community decides, I will give the head person the tapes for the transfer. I have no problems with that at all. I have seen some very technical discussions on the video transfer before on these boards, so get into it, and lets hash this out. I say, give it a week and see what people decide? (This should be interesting)

Enjoy the audio to those people that were nice enough to contribute, and the shows are yours now, do whatever you please with them.

A special big thanks and round of applause should go to Scott, Brian, and Dave for making this possible.

Regards,

Greg

DVD would certainly be the best option. I guess Bill (starlight) would do it if we all ask him http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/wink.gif

If the video quality is good on them which im guessing is yes since they were tripod shot i would say go dvd as well.. I doubti would watch them if they werent on dvd...

Rock On..

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great to hear, i will be watching my mailbox...i would also cast a vote for dvd.

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DVD would be the best option to go with, in my opinion...and it would be a good idea to give the tapes to someone that not only has the ability to do this, but has the time to do it as well...so that we can all see it as quickly as possible http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/smile.gif

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get the masters to starlight video productions to be transferred to dvd. he does very nice work.

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I agree that starlight should do them, if possible. He could do his standard thing of charging $10 (to pay for the blank media and shipping)... and hopefully both shows could fit on one DVD-R.

Also, it might be cool if someone could transfer the shows to VCD.

Personally, I'd settle for VHS, but I'm sure most people here aren't even considering that an option...

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<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by the arms of sleep:
get the masters to starlight video productions to be transferred to dvd. he does very nice work.

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My thoughts exacly!!! DVD is the future.

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but please burn it to either an official DVD medium, or at least a burn that is HIGHLY compatible with finicky DVD players like my Toshiber http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/smile.gif.

<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by s00p3rm4n:
but please burn it to either an official DVD medium, or at least a burn that is HIGHLY compatible with finicky DVD players like my Toshiber http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/smile.gif.</font>

I agree...my dvd player is also pretty finicky...heh. But I think we are getting ahead of ourselves, here. http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/smile.gif

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"But yeah, those ops are nazi's over there at the hub." - Halteh

Pick me! Pick me!

Oh, and this esbuy.com gold media is very very good for compatability purposes.

BTW, I can easily do a vcd, or someone who gets the dvd can easily do a vcd. Either way

By the time I get a DVD player and a sufficient TV, I'm pretty sure I've lost interest in sweating to get SP shows on DVD.

I'll leave it to you young 'uns http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/wink.gif

Be blissed
Jeroen
who makes a pointless post every once in a while
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Smashing Pumpkins into Small Piles of Putrid Debris (http://www.gamersinn.com/library/arcade/?725): All the pumpkins of the world cower in fear again, as another Halloween approaches. As always, they are destined to be culinarily transformed into grotesque icons of a pagan tradition. Their only hope was to steal all of Earth's candles and take them away to the distant pumpkin planet, Pumpkinia.

<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Jeroen (Aagje):

By the time I get a DVD player and a sufficient TV, I'm pretty sure I've lost interest in sweating to get SP shows on DVD.

I'll leave it to you young 'uns http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/wink.gif

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How old are you? You'll be here ten years from now still hounding the little kids, Jeroen.

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Go DVD,....I'll look for the package.

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go DVD all the way

<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Halteh:
How old are you? You'll be here ten years from now still hounding the little kids, Jeroen.

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Hopefully he'll get a new hoarding bag by then.

<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by ChoobieWoobie:
Hopefully he'll get a new hoarding bag by then.</font>

That was D4 that had a hoarding bag. Get your SP leet trivia right!

got the cd's today, they sound great! thanks again.
~eric

<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by spaceboy147:
got the cd's today, they sound great! thanks again.
~eric</font>

Lucky you!!! I`ll need to wait almost one week. Problem living far away!!!



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I got my cds today. The all sound really good. I'm very happy with them. And i'll have to back everyone else up, and say that dvd would be the best route to go for the video.

<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by jlo:
Lucky you!!! I`ll need to wait almost one week. Problem living far away!!!

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i was surprised at how quickly they came! a nice surprise when i got home today.

np: disarm 07-24-92 http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/smile.gif

<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by starlightvideoproductions:
someone who gets the dvd can easily do a vcd.</font>

http://www.emotioneric.com/surprise-b.jpg

Re-compression? Boo! DVD all the way. If vcd must be made, do it from the original transfer, the captured AVI.

I got my audio copies of the shows today too. So what's the exact source info for these?

And I vote for DVD as well http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/smile.gif

<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by spaceboy147:
i was surprised at how quickly they came! a nice surprise when i got home today.

np: disarm 07-24-92 http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/smile.gif</font>

Yeah, it was a definitely a nice little surprise finding them in my mailbox so soon. It felt like Xmas in August hehe. And I was also very happy with the sound quality. For coming from a VHS transfer, they sounded terrific.

DVD would be the best way to go, as long as someone does them right and in a timely fashion on media that is compatible for everyone.

For those interested, this is the way I transferred the Metro shows from video... Toshiba 4-head Hi-Fi VCR out --> Midiman Flying Calf 20bit A/D converter analog in --> Midiman digital coax out --> Soundblaster Live Platinum digital coax in. Recorded and split up with Cool Edit. Burned with Nero. I figure everyone will have their discs in a few days. I live near Washington D.C. and the mail seems to come and go out of here faster than anywhere I've ever lived. Glad people are pleased with the transfer. Enjoy!

[This message has been edited by CDklktr (edited 09-01-2002).]

you fucking rule greg, plain and simple.

*worships*

Greg didn't do the transfer. I've done a bunch for he and I in the past, so he lined me up for this one. Greg did do the hardest work however - getting the tapes and putting all this together. So you are right - Greg rules <grin>.

<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by CDklktr:
Greg didn't do the transfer. I've done a bunch for he and I in the past, so he lined me up for this one. Greg did do the hardest work however - getting the tapes and putting all this together. So you are right - Greg rules <grin>.</font>


you rule too then. for whatever its worth, heh.

d00d, it's arrived.

Yippie!

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no vcd. my fucking dvd player won't play them at all unless they're on really shitty cd-rws. http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/frown.gif weird.

<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by s00p3rm4n:
no vcd. my fucking dvd player won't play them at all unless they're on really shitty cd-rws. http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/frown.gif weird.</font>

My DVD player won't read CDRs. Only RWs. I saw a post on vcdhelp.com about this one shitty brand of cheapo cdr you can buy at circuit city that my player reads. I bought 200. THEY WORK!

I've been very much avoiding the main trading community because of time constraints, but I must ask. What do I need to do to get my hands on the audio CDs and the DVD's (once they're out). I've been psuedo-trading for a couple years, so I know the basic stuff (B&P, 2:1, etc.)


Any help people?


PauL

thanks

<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by CDklktr:
For those interested, this is the way I transferred the Metro shows from video... Toshiba 4-head Hi-Fi VCR out --> Midiman Flying Calf 20bit A/D converter analog in --> Midiman digital coax out --> Soundblaster Live Platinum digital coax in. Recorded and split up with Cool Edit. Burned with Nero. I figure everyone will have their discs in a few days. I live near Washington D.C. and the mail seems to come and go out of here faster than anywhere I've ever lived. Glad people are pleased with the transfer. Enjoy!

[This message has been edited by CDklktr (edited 09-01-2002).]</font>

So can I assume that the discs I received were all burned from the original WAVs and therefore a CDR-0 digital gen?

They sound great by the way http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/smile.gif Just listened to both of them today. Nice job!

<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by traveller03:
So can I assume that the discs I received were all burned from the original WAVs and therefore a CDR-0 digital gen?
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Yes. All the CD's sent out are direct burns from the orginal wav's.

<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by traveller03:
They sound great by the way http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/smile.gif Just listened to both of them today. Nice job!
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Are there any gaps 'tween tracks? He says he split them with Cool Edit. As far as I know CE doesn't split properly on the frame.

<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Dead:
Are there any gaps 'tween tracks? He says he split them with Cool Edit. As far as I know CE doesn't split properly on the frame.</font>

Not that I can tell and I'm *really* anal about stuff like that. I checked the transitions of every track using headphones before I even listened to the discs all the way through and they sound fine. Haven't tried extracting the discs and looking at the transitions spectrally though...

<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Dead:
Are there any gaps 'tween tracks? He says he split them with Cool Edit. As far as I know CE doesn't split properly on the frame.</font>

Not that I can tell and I'm *really* anal about stuff like that. I checked the transitions of every track using headphones before I even listened to the discs all the way through and they sound fine. Haven't tried extracting the discs and looking at the transitions spectrally though...

i have got mine yesterday, but haven't had time to listen to them...one thing though, i thought they would come as shn's? not to be ungrateful, but i think it would've been better, because one could trade out cdr-0's and not cdr-1's. and the possibility to get bad-rip-shn's would've been much lower. i'll stop bitching now and grow my anticipation until tonight when i finally will listen to them

But bitching is the way of the internet. I say bitch on!

Traveller, good to hear that.

Sev you're right, SHN would have been better.

Thanks to Greg, the transfer guy, and the money guys. I will trade for copies soon and then get to enjoy them :D

Hey
Got mine in the post or so i think, i was told a package arrived anyway.
Thanks

Iain

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<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Richard D. James:
A special big thanks and round of applause should go to Scott, Brian, and Dave for making this possible.

Regards,

Greg</font>

...and thanks Greg and CDklktr!!

I just received mine yesterday, the shows are awesome...hope to be sharing them soon (as long as i can do a proper extraction..ugh)...i also vote for dvd..

<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by theres:
(as long as i can do a proper extraction..ugh</font>

Yeah, Ugh. Greg or one of you higher-ups, please release a definitive SHN rip so that there won't be 20 different ones getting passed around.

EDIT: You know, like the way the Zwan recordings have been released by the Fares/Quinto etc crew.

2nd EDIT: Maybe CDklktr still has his original wavs and can do this.

[This message has been edited by Dead (edited 09-05-2002).]

[This message has been edited by Dead (edited 09-05-2002).]

<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Dead:
Yeah, Ugh. Greg or one of you higher-ups, please release a definitive SHN rip so that there won't be 20 different ones getting passed around.

EDIT: You know, like the way the Zwan recordings have been released by the Fares/Quinto etc crew.

2nd EDIT: Maybe CDklktr still has his original wavs and can do this.

3rd EDIT: Greg if you read this first, I emailed you aboot it. Yoo've got mail!

[This message has been edited by Dead (edited 09-05-2002).]

[This message has been edited by Dead (edited 09-05-2002).]</font>

Hmm...maybe I will just torment the hell out of people and offer 8.25.90 on analog. What would happen then? How about MP on microcassette? I understand wanting to get the best recording out there and for everything to be consistent, but c'mon people, be happy with what you have. It is about the music, not whether the spectral analysis shows blips in between tracks that can't be heard.

BTW, the tapes are going to be sent to starlightvideo for transfer to DVD. I am sure that he will do these justice, but I don't think the tapes are exactly sent yet, so don't bombard him with 100 emails asking him when. I am sure he will post on here, or tell me and I will post. Cool?

Regards,
Greg

<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Richard D. James:
Hmm...maybe I will just torment the hell out of people and offer 8.25.90 on analog. What would happen then? How about MP on microcassette? I understand wanting to get the best recording out there and for everything to be consistent, but c'mon people, be happy with what you have. It is about the music, not whether the spectral analysis shows blips in between tracks that can't be heard.

BTW, the tapes are going to be sent to starlightvideo for transfer to DVD. I am sure that he will do these justice, but I don't think the tapes are exactly sent yet, so don't bombard him with 100 emails asking him when. I am sure he will post on here, or tell me and I will post. Cool?

Regards,
Greg</font>


i'm sorry if my posting has appeared as if i was not happy with what i got, but i still think, it might have been better to reduce the risk of flawed shows appearing within the next 2 months by semi-perfect extractions and stuff. i mean, i'm pretty sure the people who payed for the shows are perfectly capable of extracting shows, but the risk is still higher, than if the shows would have distributed from one central set of shn's.

so, thanks for doing this for us, and pleas don't be upset. it has just been a suggestion...

OK...here goes my 2 cents.... First of all, I have used Cool Edit (96) for a very long time and I haven't had the "gap" problem that has been mentioned - and I am incredibly anal - ask Greg! Secondly, I am not that up on SHN's. I have gotten the Zwan shows on SHN and decoded them, and I have the MKW program to convert WAV to SHN, but I just don't know enough about it. I do have the full uncut wav files still. The 7-24 show, being over 1 hour 36 mins I don't even think will compress in SHN small enough to fit on one disc for me to send it to somebody else that wants to screw with it. I don't have the time or inclination. I've put plenty of time into what I already did. Also, I don't have an FTP set-up, so that is out. I'll take suggestions, but I don't see the point of having SHNs, which are compressed, when you have have the real, unadulterated WAV files. I'm a newbie at SHN...tell me what I am missing here?

<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by CDklktr:
OK...here goes my 2 cents.... First of all, I have used Cool Edit (96) for a very long time and I haven't had the "gap" problem that has been mentioned - and I am incredibly anal - ask Greg! Secondly, I am not that up on SHN's. I have gotten the Zwan shows on SHN and decoded them, and I have the MKW program to convert WAV to SHN, but I just don't know enough about it. I do have the full uncut wav files still. The 7-24 show, being over 1 hour 36 mins I don't even think will compress in SHN small enough to fit on one disc for me to send it to somebody else that wants to screw with it. I don't have the time or inclination. I've put plenty of time into what I already did. Also, I don't have an FTP set-up, so that is out. I'll take suggestions, but I don't see the point of having SHNs, which are compressed, when you have have the real, unadulterated WAV files. I'm a newbie at SHN...tell me what I am missing here?</font>

ok, what i think what would've been the advantages of an shn-distribution:

1) Everyone who got the stuff on cd could trade out cdr-0 copies of the shows.

2) shn's will be made, there willbe some on the hub in less then 24 hours, i'm pretty sure about this. and if 2 people extract their stuff, chances are, that the shn's are different. so, if everybody would've gotten the shn's from one central source, there wouldn't be so many different "sources"

but as i said, this is not some ungrateful bitching, but more a suggestion for future similarities, should they ever appear

I apologize in advance for anything I say that sounds ungrateful or like whining, I'm just gonna try to address some of these issues.

<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by CDklktr:
I have used Cool Edit (96) for a very long time and I haven't had the "gap" problem that has been mentioned</font>

Alright, this isnt to criticize, just the facts. If you split up a wave in cool edit, unless you're aware of frames and splitting on them, and unless cooledit can do this (which I don't believe it can), your individual tracks will not end on an even frame unless its just by chance. Now there are 588 samples in a frame so you have a 1 in 588 chance of this happening. When you burn waves to the audio cd format, if the end of a track is not an even number of frames, the burning program will fill up the rest of the incomplete frame with 0s, or silence (a skip/click will be heard). Many times this will be so microscopic that its inaudible, and then other times you can hear it. Traveller says he doesn't hear any, so thats great. CDklktr I'm not trying to talk down or lecture you, I'm just explaining for everyone's benefit.

<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">I do have the full uncut wav files still. The 7-24 show, being over 1 hour 36 mins I don't even think will compress in SHN small enough to fit on one disc for me to send it to somebody else that wants to screw with it.</font>

If resplitting needs to be dealt with, I can point you to a free program which does the job fairly easily. I don't know if you want to do this or just leave the original split as is if people arent hearing any 'microgaps'. Here is a link to the CD Wave program http://www.homepages.hetnet.nl/~mjmlooijmans/cdwave/cdwav156.exe and there are some directions on this page http://www.homepages.hetnet.nl/~mjmlooijmans/cdwave/description.html under "Step 4: Creating the splits".

<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Also, I don't have an FTP set-up, so that is out. I'll take suggestions, but I don't see the point of having SHNs, which are compressed, when you have have the real, unadulterated WAV files. I'm a newbie at SHN...tell me what I am missing here?</font>

Well if you did resplit and create shns, I'm not sure what you could do to get them out before people started ripping their cds and putting them up on the hub (if you don't have an ftp). Maybe you can get on the hub yourself or upload via an FTP client to someone. As for SHNs being compressed, it is a lossless compression. When you convert the SHN back into wave format, it is a bit for bit identical file to the original wave that the SHN was created from. You can create your own SHNs with MKW (just make sure to set it to "use appended seek tables, and disable the option to delete the original source files).

Again, sorry if I over-simplified or whatever. I hope I've been helpful. Maybe the splitting info can be of use to other people who haven't learned about it yet. I use a program called Wave Repair for splitting but its more complicated than CD Wave. I'm not unsatisfied with these shows and very grateful to all those involved, including the people who paid for them. Thanks to you all, I'm looking forward to hearing them!

- Sean

<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by CDklktr:

[snip]
The 7-24 show, being over 1 hour 36 mins I don't even think will compress in SHN small enough to fit on one disc for me to send it to somebody else that wants to screw with it.
[snip]
I'm a newbie at SHN...tell me what I am missing here?</font>

When you consider a cdr holds an hour and 14-20 mins when burned as a .wav, it's very likely that once shn'd the entire show will fit to one disc nicely.

Compressing the raw .wav to .shn is lossless, you're not doing any harm to the .wav file...once extracted back to .wav from .shn you'll have an identical .wav file as before you compressed it.

I don't really care how it all goes about, just a little info for you.

--Jason



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<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by SilverFhuck:
I don't really care how it all goes about</font>

I'd be happy personally with things staying as they are, and trading for a copy as I have already arranged. My concern as an op on the SHN hub is the potential mess this could very well cause.

After some discussion, Brandon (AvNGr) and I have decided that for the time being, we will NOT allow sharing of 07.23.92 and 07.24.92 on the Smashing Pumpkins SHN hub.

Out of respect for those who put out their hard earned money for these discs, please do not share them here. If you want the discs, get off your butt and put forth the minimal effort required to set up a trade for them. The final decision on this matter will be made by Scott McDowell when he returns from wherever he is. Until then, this is the rule.

<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Dead:
After some discussion, Brandon (AvNGr) and I have decided that for the time being, we will NOT allow sharing of 07.23.92 and 07.24.92 on the Smashing Pumpkins SHN hub.

Out of respect for those who put out their hard earned money for these discs, please do not share them here. If you want the discs, get off your butt and put forth the minimal effort required to set up a trade for them. The final decision on this matter will be made by Scott McDowell when he returns from wherever he is. Until then, this is the rule.</font>

Wow, if this is true, it would be a heck of an appreciated move by the people that contributed. Thanks.

Regards,
Greg

"It's time for someone to put their foot down, and that foot is me." -Dean Wormer

<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Richard D. James:
Wow, if this is true, it would be a heck of an appreciated move by the people that contributed. Thanks.
</font>

Does it make you this happy?:

http://members.rogers.com/zerolove/wheeeee.jpg

Good thinking, guys. I support the hub rules and will not allow those shows to be shared, either...I'm sure they will be allowed on the hub within a reasonable amount of time, but perhaps not just yet.

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Lauren wants you to stealth her, Fares."- Brandon
"Sorry, I was blasted last night...a patented Quinto drunking." - Frank

Oh geez, I hope I didn't spark any animosity between people. When I posted earlier, all I really wanted to say was thank you to all involved. But, in doing so I hastily said that I hope to be sharing the shows.

I am a SP fan, as all of you are, and it's all about the music for me. I'm at the point where it doesn't really matter (to an extent) what the quality of the shows are as long as I get to listen to it, feel the energy of the band, a feeling you can't always get from a studio album...you all know what I mean.

Having said that, I highly respect the people that put forth the huge effort and money to make this happen for us and I will definitely respect the wishes of not sharing until it's time. I'm sorry if I spoke out of turn but I was so damn excited to see those cds!! http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/smile.gif

<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by SilverFhuck:
When you consider a cdr holds an hour and 14-20 mins when burned as a .wav, it's very likely that once shn'd the entire show will fit to one disc nicely.</font> I did an SHN of the 48kHz WAV I did for Starlight for use in the DVD and it was over 900MB. I haven't tried to SHN the 44.1 WAV to see what that would come to. (I recorded both of these independantly BTW, The 44.1 is not a conversion from the 48). DEAD - I do have an FTP client, so I can upload. I meant I wasn't set up to be an FTP site. If you want to e-mail me privately, I'll work this out with you to get you the full shows in SHN and you can deal with the break-up and distribution if you are interested. I do think it's fair that those who put up the cash get a chance to do some trading before this goes up though, as suggested. But at the same time it would be nice to see these get out (in a quality manner, and to everyone) as that was the original intent.

<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by CDklktr:
DEAD - I do have an FTP client, so I can upload. I meant I wasn't set up to be an FTP site. If you want to e-mail me privately, I'll work this out with you to get you the full shows in SHN and you can deal with the break-up and distribution if you are interested.</font>

I think this is a great idea, creating the definitive SHN version for release at a later time. I don't know your email address but you can contact me at dead@rogers.com

is someone willing to trade these shows with me?

contact me at machina@home.nl

If people are interested, I would also like to trade for these shows. My list URL are in my sig.


Thanks,
Patrick


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<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Richard D. James:
[B]BTW, the tapes are going to be sent to starlightvideo for transfer to DVD. I am sure that he will do these justice, but I don't think the tapes are exactly sent yet, so don't bombard him with 100 emails asking him when. I am sure he will post on here, or tell me and I will post.B]</font>

I remember you saying that those that purchased the shows would be first in line for the dvd/tape. Is this still true, or do we have to be the first 50 again to email him when he annouces it?



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http://www.gamegen.com/fightgen/characters/juggy-headcrush.gif You fight great, but I'm a great fighter!!!!

sean... you talkin' 'bout me??? I got the Cds a couple days ago, Greg. Thanks much...

*goes off to listen to CDs* http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/smile.gif

Seth

PS Dead, I think that preventing people from sharing it on the hub is a very good idea, for now at least. If no definitive SHN or FLAC of the original wavs is released after a while, I think that it would be prudent to let someone (someone like me or someone that's trusted among the community) rip a definitive copy for the hub.

Later, peeps.

I think it would be fair for the peeps who paid for those cdrs to be first in line for the dvds. I think who ever took the original order should also take this one so it would be fair. To be easy, we should probably also set something for getting the dvds. Sending me blanks would be the best, but also a problem with some peoples (hard to find at a reasonable rate, etc)

Supes, I believe CDklktr intends to hook me up with the uncut discs so that I can split them up. In that event, I will set these up as the "official" SHNs and then share them at a time to be determined by Greg and his homies. I plan to split them in such a way that the track positionings will be identical to the burned discs, only split on the frame.

First off, thanks once again to all involved. I still haven't gotten my discs, but I imagine they are sitting across town at my old address. I just need to get my ass over there and pick them up. I think the delayed shn idea is a good thing, and I am also happy to see that it is getting a definitive rip.

As for the DVD's...
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by starlightvideoproductions:
I think it would be fair for the peeps who paid for those cdrs to be first in line for the dvds.</font>
WORD. That was part of my understanding, and also a big reason for my contribution. I could have waited patiently for the .shns to be shared like a lot of others, but I wanted first crack at the dvds.

I think it would be a better idea if starlight could buy the media in bulk, after all have been paid for, therefore ensuring all people recieve quality burns, and less of a chance of "YOU FUCKED UP MY DVD", etc, etc. I know that a lot of people out there don't have a lot of cash to throw around, but I would also like to request that you get the best media possible, not one that is cheapest. I don't know much about dvd-r, but I imagine it is like CDR as far as quality/$$ goes, and I would rather pay twice as much for my copy knowing that it <u>will</u> work, than gambling on it.

Maybe this is common opinion, I dunno, but I definately think these things should be considered. Or something.

~Mike

I could buy Pioneer DVDrs. Those would probably be the highest quality. They are about $6.50 a piece then. So this could get expensive seeing I might not be able to get the electric show one 1 dvd without really lowering the bitrate.

The best quality dvdrs are what I would like also. I expected the shows to be on two dvds, one per show. Also, is it one order per show per person at the begining, or can I order 2 of each.

Maybe if the acoustic show is shorter, you can stick the end of the electric one onto that disc, in the interest of keeping the cost down. I would recommend you make stylish/simplistic menus and not lame-ass ones where there's a picture of each scene and you click on them. I have a Storytellers dvd with a great menu that I will screencap for you to check out. I'm not saying you would make a lame one, but I don't know. I was very impressed with the one I have.

European b+p

The first 3 europeans who email me at trading@luftensteiner.com will get an b+p for both of the shows.

just my cheap 2 cents http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/smile.gif.u can get 100 packs of dvds on ebay for fairly cheap

<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Cannibal_Dezzy:
u can get 100 packs of dvds on ebay for fairly cheap</font> And you'll probably get what you pay for.

Yea, Dezzy showed me a pack. All it kept on saying was "HIGH QUALITY!" so you know its bullshit.

bastards all of them

I just got my discs today.

Great stuff. I was worried when I saw they were TDK discs, as my cd player doesn't like them, but so far, so good.

Also, the banter/improv to disc 2 of 07.24.94 sounds like the "they're from Chicago, the windy city" kid from vieuphoria, just without the kid. Am I wrong?

<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by The Gaddrow:
Also, the banter/improv to disc 2 of 07.24.94 sounds like the "they're from Chicago, the windy city" kid from vieuphoria, just without the kid. Am I wrong?</font>

No, that clip from Vieuphoria is from 8/13/93.

<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by The Gaddrow:

Also, the banter/improv to disc 2 of 07.24.94 sounds like the "they're from Chicago, the windy city" kid from vieuphoria, just without the kid. Am I wrong?</font>

I believe the title to that song is "Country Death Jam"

<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Andrew Fogelsong:
No, that clip from Vieuphoria is from 8/13/93. </font> I knew that, but I was just saying I believe it is the same song.

<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by severin:
European b+p

The first 3 europeans who email me at trading@luftensteiner.com will get an b+p for both of the shows. </font>

Can I get a SHN B&P ? http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/biggrin.gif

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<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by severin:
European b+p

The first 3 europeans who email me at trading@luftensteiner.com will get an b+p for both of the shows. </font>

offer closed (took longer than i thought it would)