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weber33
06-27-2002, 10:34 PM
I have posted about this before -

I am getting a few pre-gish shows on videotape, a few are unknown dates - one for sure is the Laughing Iguana show from '89. (the spfc doesn't have a set or date, is that because of lack of updates?)

I am also getting the Roxy Arising show and the two Metro 99 shows (12.20 and 12.21)

Do other people have these shows and choose not to circulate them? I plan on finding someone to put all of these (and there are tons more shows) on DVD, whether it be someone here that knows his (or her) stuff or taking it to a professional place. I don't have the equipment to transfer the shows to audio, if someone wants to help contact me on AIM or thru email.

AIM: lannyjack02
email: lannyjack@hotmail.com

thanks,

landon

aldango
06-27-2002, 10:45 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by weber33:
I have posted about this before -

I am getting a few pre-gish shows on videotape, a few are unknown dates - one for sure is the Laughing Iguana show from '89. (the spfc doesn't have a set or date, is that because of lack of updates?)

I am also getting the Roxy Arising show and the two Metro 99 shows (12.20 and 12.21)

Do other people have these shows and choose not to circulate them? I plan on finding someone to put all of these (and there are tons more shows) on DVD, whether it be someone here that knows his (or her) stuff or taking it to a professional place. I don't have the equipment to transfer the shows to audio, if someone wants to help contact me on AIM or thru email.

AIM: lannyjack02
email: lannyjack@hotmail.com

thanks,

landon</font>

this rocks, dude. you 0wnz.

Jeroen (Aagje)
06-27-2002, 10:45 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by weber33:
onefor sure is the Laughing Iguana show from '89</font>

*comes*

Be blissed
Jeroen
np: REM - Losing my Religion

aldango
06-27-2002, 10:47 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Jeroen (Aagje):
*comes*

Be blissed
Jeroen
np: REM - Losing my Religion</font>


*cleans up*

Dirty old man!

Jeroen (Aagje)
06-27-2002, 11:21 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by zekix:

*cleans up*

Dirty old man!</font>

*ar-hum*

Well, thinking of the possibility of JE live...

*comes*

Sorry about that, I can't help myself http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/biggrin.gif
And well, really, *any* new 88-90 show to fall into my grubby hands would be uhm, yeah. Bliss, or something http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/wink.gif

Be blissed
Jeroen
np: MP - Moleasskiss<font color=black>

[This message has been edited by Jeroen (Aagje) (edited 06-27-2002).]

GhostChild
06-28-2002, 01:11 AM
I can transfer the the videos to audio if needed...but I cant make DVDs...I'm not that rich yet.

Rima
06-28-2002, 01:33 AM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by weber33:
I am also getting the Roxy Arising show and the two Metro 99 shows (12.20 and 12.21)

Do other people have these shows and choose not to circulate them?</font>

I have 12.21.99 that JBTV aired 1hr and 3 or 4 other songs they aired later.. you're getting the full version? And 12.21.99 was circulated like f***, I did tons of trades for that alone.

Virex_Gaze6
06-28-2002, 02:09 AM
you rawk! http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/smile.gif

a question if you dont mind..
Where are you getting all of these shows from?


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SP33
06-28-2002, 03:01 AM
Wow.

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StillBecomingApart
06-28-2002, 03:38 AM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Jeroen (Aagje):
Well, thinking of the possibility of JE live...

*comes*
</font>

*Comes too*

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sarmatianus
06-28-2002, 04:04 AM
DVD's great and all and I highly recommend doing it, but also for archival purposes, I would also like to recommend (and volunteer services towards) making a DV copy (12 GB per hour for miniDV or 18 GB per hour for miniDVCAM).

I don't know the ins and outs of DVD production yet (that's my project later this summer), but obviously they use a high-quality digital source and then compress it down to MPEGII video. Either way, it'd be nice to have an uncompressed DV copy.

I work in a digital video lab, so I have no problem setting that up, if you want. I can cover all costs. I'm assuming that these are VHS?

starlightvideoproductions
06-28-2002, 11:20 AM
I'll do the DVD transfers if you let me after I get my stupid eqiptment working! Hopefully that will not be that long http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/smile.gif

Raskolnikov
06-28-2002, 01:02 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by weber33:

I am also getting the Roxy Arising show...
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Am I the only person who's stoked on this one? The final show with the original band members... that's a spicy meatball. 'Twas quite a good show as well.

SIYL
06-28-2002, 01:02 PM
cool beans.....i really really wanna see

how did you get these ?

Nate

Slurpee
06-28-2002, 04:41 PM
Full... arising... video...

If this is all true, I can't wait to *watch* the last performance of Geek USA ever.

CrabbMan
06-28-2002, 05:16 PM
*also cums*

Hmmm? Oh sorry. . . I was looking at porn. What's this now? New old shows?!? I'd love to know what the sets are on those.

As far as the Roxy show, I was there and heard that somebody was recording it on video, or I heard that later. . . I don't really remember. But after it never surfaced and wasn't noted at spfc I figured it was just another rumor. Sweet deal.

Dead
06-28-2002, 05:31 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by starlightvideoproductions:
I'll do the DVD transfers if you let me after I get my stupid eqiptment working! Hopefully that will not be that long http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/smile.gif</font>

Don't let this guy do it, he has a bad attitude. He called me stupid!

RumoredToTheS&N
06-28-2002, 06:02 PM
sarmatianus
just so you know, DV's native compression is 5:1. there is no such thing as uncompressed DV. there are several editing systems that use native DV compression, allowing for lossless editing & reproduction, but it will always be 5:1 compression. if you archive on DVC for future DVD authoring, you'd be compressing your video twice (first with the tape, then with the mpeg DVD encoding)using two different codecs, which would create a lot of artifacts. mastering it onto a DVD in the first place would at least cut down on artifacting.

[This message has been edited by RumoredToTheS&N (edited 06-28-2002).]

sarmatianus
06-28-2002, 09:10 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by RumoredToTheS&N:
sarmatianus
just so you know, DV's native compression is 5:1. there is no such thing as uncompressed DV. there are several editing systems that use native DV compression, allowing for lossless editing & reproduction, but it will always be 5:1 compression. if you archive on DVC for future DVD authoring, you'd be compressing your video twice (first with the tape, then with the mpeg DVD encoding)using two different codecs, which would create a lot of artifacts. mastering it onto a DVD in the first place would at least cut down on artifacting.

[This message has been edited by RumoredToTheS&N (edited 06-28-2002).]</font>

Okay, true that you have to capture it in a 5:1 format, but I don't know what you mean with the artifacts and all. You'd capture the VHS to a computer either way - the DV tape is merely storage space. There's nothing to say that you can't store any type of data on that. I don't think it would have recompression no matter how many times you transferred the captured video to DV and back, assuming that you use FireWire.

So you capture the VHS in a standard digital format (720x480, 29.97 fps, etc), which is a constant rate of roughly 216 MB per minute. That raw file can then be both a) sent back out from the computer via FireWire to a DV deck and recorded on DV and b) compressed to conform to MPEGII DVD standards.

But like I said, I'm not on terribly familiar grounds with DVD authoring. I am certainly willing to concede points, but is anything I stated above wrong?

starlightvideoproductions
06-28-2002, 09:30 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Dead:
Don't let this guy do it, he has a bad attitude. He called me stupid!</font>

I was just kidding, its my personality.

RumoredToTheS&N
06-28-2002, 09:31 PM
right. you can transfer it a million times in dv format & it will remain theroetically lossless. but it is still compressed 5:1, no matter what. that's just how dv stores video. then, when it gets compressed onto a dvd, it will be compressed once again and, since different codecs compress each pixel a little differently, you will begin to see more artifacting. the only way to store truly uncompressed video would be to import it into a system with cinewave or something like that that uses no compression, then store that actual video file onto some sort of media. is that what you were taking about?

[This message has been edited by RumoredToTheS&N (edited 06-28-2002).]

sarmatianus
06-28-2002, 11:58 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by RumoredToTheS&N:
right. you can transfer it a million times in dv format & it will remain theroetically lossless. but it is still compressed 5:1, no matter what. that's just how dv stores video. then, when it gets compressed onto a dvd, it will be compressed once again and, since different codecs compress each pixel a little differently, you will begin to see more artifacting. the only way to store truly uncompressed video would be to import it into a system with cinewave or something like that that uses no compression, then store that actual video file onto some sort of media. is that what you were taking about?

[This message has been edited by RumoredToTheS&N (edited 06-28-2002).]</font>

I'm not directly experienced with Cinewave, but I see what you're saying. What about AVID, though?

RumoredToTheS&N
06-29-2002, 12:34 AM
that's what i edit on! the composer i work on is an old avbv version that only goes up to 2:1 (or avr 77 in old avid-speak) and i also work on a newer meridian-based xpress, but it also only goes up to 2:1. i know symphony does uncompressed. i'm not sure about newer composers. i would guess they do too by now.
to be honest, i'd never thought of using a dv tape to just store files. i didn't even know you could use them that way, but it seems like you should be able to. my only experience with dv was at the cbs station i used to work at & we didn't use firewire there. we brought it into the avid by way of component i/o. i've usually used betacamSP for all of my own stuff, since i don't use a native dv editing system, but i'm thinking about getting final cut pro. cinewave is made specifically for fcp & allows you to spruce it up all the way to HD uncompressed if you've got the dough, although in base format it uses standard dv compression.
do you work on an avid? does it do uncompressed? if so, i'm JEALOUS. http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/smile.gif

weber33
06-29-2002, 12:50 AM
I can't say how I got the tapes - I wouldn't be a Zwan admin if I couldn't keep secrets. http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/wink.gif

There might be audio of the early shows as well, I am finding out.

And don't call Dead stupid. lol

Age Of Empathy
06-29-2002, 01:11 AM
wow, very nice of you. thanks a lot. http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/wink.gif

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Dead
06-29-2002, 04:31 AM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by weber33:
And don't call Dead stupid. lol</font>

I thank you, and Emotion Eric thanks you.

Rens
06-29-2002, 04:49 AM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Dead:
I thank you, and Emotion Eric thanks you.</font>

Where is he??

**almost starts to miss emotion eric**

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Dead
06-29-2002, 03:44 PM
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sarmatianus
06-29-2002, 03:45 PM
We're getting AVID soon. I haven't really worked much with it yet, b/c most of our concerns happen to be with student work, which tends to be in the "pro-sumer" range. But I guess I still have a lot to discover!

Either way, the offer still stands for digitization archiving.

RumoredToTheS&N
06-30-2002, 12:04 AM
or if you're interested in a betacamSP dub (which is a good industry standard broadcast-quality format) i can do that for free. dubs like that can be kind of expensive, depending on the length, but i've got some extra long-format (60 or 90 minutes) that i could pass along. whether you go the digital route or betacamSP, it's not a bad idea to have a pristine, uncompressed master on something more reliable than a vhs. http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/smile.gif

sarmatianus, i think you'll really enjoy avid. i've been cutting them for about 7 years or so & they're sweet. if you ever have questions, i'm pretty used to helping folks out with 'em, so don't hesitate to ask.

[This message has been edited by RumoredToTheS&N (edited 06-30-2002).]

sarmatianus
06-30-2002, 03:05 AM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by RumoredToTheS&N:
or if you're interested in a betacamSP dub (which is a good industry standard broadcast-quality format) i can do that for free. dubs like that can be kind of expensive, depending on the length, but i've got some extra long-format (60 or 90 minutes) that i could pass along. whether you go the digital route or betacamSP, it's not a bad idea to have a pristine, uncompressed master on something more reliable than a vhs. http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/smile.gif

sarmatianus, i think you'll really enjoy avid. i've been cutting them for about 7 years or so & they're sweet. if you ever have questions, i'm pretty used to helping folks out with 'em, so don't hesitate to ask.

[This message has been edited by RumoredToTheS&N (edited 06-30-2002).]</font>

It's posts (and threads) like these that make me remember why I still love Netphoria. Thanks!

MonteLDS
06-30-2002, 11:29 AM
i can help with DVD copies to tree out. If you wish to tree out.
media would be DVD-R or DVD-RW (sorry no + media.)
if someone is doing it to mini dv i take a copy of mini dv too.. but miniDV and DVD will still be compressed miniDV more so then DVD from what i was told.

sarmatianus
07-01-2002, 01:07 AM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by MonteLDS:
if someone is doing it to mini dv i take a copy of mini dv too.. but miniDV and DVD will still be compressed miniDV more so then DVD from what i was told. </font>

Um, RumoredToTheS&N? That doesn't look right to me.

glued_on_wings
07-01-2002, 09:34 AM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by GhostChild:
I can transfer the the videos to audio if needed...but I cant make DVDs...I'm not that rich yet.</font>

Whoop Whoop... Do It Man...

Rock On..



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RumoredToTheS&N
07-01-2002, 04:45 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by MonteLDS:
miniDV and DVD will still be compressed miniDV more so then DVD from what i was told. </font>

this is correct. both minidv & dvd will be compressed. dv has 5:1 compression. whether its minidv, dvcpro or dvcam, the compression is still the same. dvds can have several different compressions, but i think the lowest is around 3:1. to make a super-clean dvd, the best method would be to dub the master vhs into a system capable of uncompressed video, then export it directly to a dvd-grade mpeg file. there are also some analog import devices that will allow you to encode it directly to a high-grade mpeg. anything else will just add generational loss to the image. granted, vhs footage is pretty terrible to begin with, so it might not make a huge difference, but it would be nice to get the least compression possible.
there are some vhs' that have a component output, which would be best. s-video is the 2nd best analog output, followed buy composite (coax cable). remember, the method of analog output is just as important as the compression!

starlightvideoproductions
07-01-2002, 09:30 PM
You are correct about the dvd transfer being VHS > uncompressed video (avi) > mpg. Thats what I'm doing now actually. My straight to MPG board was annoying me, so I went back to my old school Hauppauge Win TV Theater.

Jeroen (Aagje)
07-01-2002, 10:00 PM
Oh geez, who cares about video?!
Give me a nice good clean SBM-1 transfer to audio, and I'l be happy. I've seen BC quite enough times before http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/smile.gif

Be blissed
Jeroen
np 011214 zwan and so I died of a broken heart

Brute Squad
07-02-2002, 02:57 AM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Jeroen (Aagje):

Oh geez, who cares about video?!
Give me a nice good clean SBM-1 transfer to audio, and I'l be happy. I've seen BC quite enough times before http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/smile.gif

Be blissed
Jeroen
np 011214 zwan and so I died of a broken heart</font>

I couldn't have said it better myself, but I'll try. Fuck the video! Audio is where it's at.

Andrew
np: Trail of Dead - How Near How Far

SP33
07-02-2002, 03:11 AM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Jeroen (Aagje):

Oh geez, who cares about video?!
I've seen BC quite enough times before http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/smile.gif
</font>

But Billy with hair, and Jimmy with a mullet... can't miss that, at least for me.

np: BWBW/OILT - 06.30.00

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StillBecomingApart
07-02-2002, 03:50 AM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by SP33:
But Billy with hair, and Jimmy with a mullet... can't miss that, at least for me.

np: BWBW/OILT - 06.30.00

</font>

You win!

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&lt;dndmepunk&gt; if you don't know english, you at least know fuck you
&lt;dndmepunk&gt; i don't know italian....i don't know italian bad words either

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ChoobieWoobie
07-02-2002, 10:28 AM
Yep, considering that we don't have any (heavily) circulating pre-gish video, this would be a godsend to a lot of us old-school fans. Just imagine...a possibility of another Alabaster...or some other songs that we haven't even heard yet. Plus the possibility of finally getting to hear JE live gives me a chub.

Translucence
07-02-2002, 11:22 AM
I wouldn't mind just getting a copy of it on VHS...

glued_on_wings
07-02-2002, 12:35 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Andrew Fogelsong:
I couldn't have said it better myself, but I'll try. Fuck the video! Audio is where it's at.

Andrew
np: Trail of Dead - How Near How Far</font>


Fuck Yeah..

Rock On..


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wounded
07-02-2002, 04:54 PM
i'm actually very interested in seeing the roxy video as well. do you know what the quality is on these babies?

starlightvideoproductions
07-03-2002, 09:19 PM
So, how is it coming along getting these. I can't wait to hear news! http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/smile.gif

Smiley
08-18-2002, 03:08 AM
*big friggin' bump*

was this a troll?

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mapay
08-18-2002, 03:54 AM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Jeroen (Aagje):

Oh geez, who cares about video?!
Give me a nice good clean SBM-1 transfer to audio, and I'l be happy. I've seen BC quite enough times before http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/smile.gif

Be blissed
Jeroen
np 011214 zwan and so I died of a broken heart</font>


Screw an SBM-1 transer. Neve or Kennedy pre's to an Apogee A/D converter, that's where its at.

Day dreaming Of Darcy
08-18-2002, 11:24 AM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by mapay:

Screw an SBM-1 transer. Neve or Kennedy pre's to an Apogee A/D converter, that's where its at.</font>

wow... someone that actually knows wtf they are talking about http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/smile.gif welcome aboard buddy!

pzane

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mapay
08-19-2002, 04:45 AM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Day dreaming Of Darcy:
wow... someone that actually knows wtf they are talking about http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/smile.gif welcome aboard buddy!

pzane

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Heh, yeah Neve stuff does rock but you can't beat Kennedy pre's when it comes to straight up transfers, or just hooking up an sm57 to it. The 2 channel Kennedy pre I use has 4 things on it, a phantom power selector, a 15 db pad, mic/line selector, and a gain control. The simplest device but totally amazing, thats all there is to it. Don't get me wrong, Neve pres are great, but I usually use them when some sort of eq'ing work is needed, or compression...like on a 9098 eq or 9098 compressor. So the point to all of this is, Kennedy stuff rocks.