I figure since it's the beginning of December, we can give everybody a month or so to do their lists. Here's the low-down:

1. Please vote for the top 20 singles of the year. The scoring is as follows, and yes, I stole this idea from PFMS, eat me:

#1=25 points
#2=20 points
#3=18 points
#4=17 points
#5=16 points

And so on. This is designed to give more credit to the ones and (to a lesser extent) the twos on everybody's list so that the one or two songs you prefer over all the others really get a push.

2. Please give me 20 songs, ranked in order from 1-20. No more, no less; it just makes grading these easier, and I'm busy.

3. Please list 2002 singles only. However, all singles are open--indie singles as well as mainstream singles.

4. The idea of what constitutes a single from 2002 should be pretty obvious, but let's try to keep it reasonable while maintaining inclusivity:<ul>
<li>If singles were released either commercially or to radio in only one country this year (UK/US/Australia/what have you), they count. (Example: Kylie Minogue's "In Your Eyes," a UK-only single.) <li>If they were released in another country last year but gained widespread North American distribution this year, they count, because Americans/Canadians still comprise the majority of these boards. (Example: Super Furry Animals' "It's Not the End of the World?")<li>If a song had a video in rotation this year, even if it didn't get released to radio or commercially, it counts. (Example: Wilco's "Jesus, etc." or Tom Waits' "God's Away on Business.") <li>EPs only count as singles if they were meant to promote the first track. (Example: Interpol's "PDA" counts, but Prefuse 73's "92 v. 02" doesn't.) <li>Finally, singles re-released from 2001 records count. (Example: Trail of Dead's "Relative Ways," which originally was a 2001 EP but turned into a 2002 single and video.)</ul>

5. If you don't know what was a single and what wasn't from some of your favorite albums this year, look on AMG. If you still have questions, then ask me in this thread. I'd be happy to find out for you. Also, don't forget about non-album singles.

6. Deadline: January 1. The best album poll has the same deadline.

7. If you want to post tentative lists in this thread, feel free, but PLEASE PM me your lists when they are official. If you want to post official lists in here, too, that's fine, but I very well might miss it if you just post it in here, and it's not a big deal to cut and paste it into a PM.

8. I'm going to tabulate as I get lists, so once you PM me your list, you can't change it. So, please don't send unless you're sure that your list is going to be final.

9. If you're interested in writing up a little blurb about songs that you really like that wind up making the final list, let me know.

10. Please send me lists! It's not too difficult, it's entertaining, and it'll be interesting to see what you people think is good.

In case anybody cares, I already made my list up.

1. Wilco, "Jesus, etc."
2. Eminem, "Lose Yourself"
3. Flaming Lips, "Do You Realize"
4. Red Hot Chili Peppers, "By the Way"
5. Nappy Roots, "Awnaw"
6. Missy Elliott, "Work It"
7. Blackalicious, "Make You Feel That Way"
8. El-P, "Lazerfaces' Warning"
9. The Notwist, "Pilot"
10. Flaming Lips, "Yoshimi Battles the Pink Robots Part 1"
11. Kylie Minogue, "Can't Get You Out of My Head"
12. Ugly Casanova, "Things I Don't Remember"
13. White Stripes, "Dead Leaves and the Dirty Ground"
14. Eminem, "Without Me"
15. Capitol K, "Pillow"
16. Nirvana, "You Know You're Right"
17. Tom Waits, "God's Away On Business"
18. Oddfellows Casino, "Put the Bird to Sleep"
19. Clipse, "Grindin'"
20. ... And You Will Know Us By the Trail of Dead, "Another Morning Stoner"

I should note that you don't have to post your lists here if you don't want to. Just make sure they get in my PM box.

is anyone besides us 3 into this PFMS shit though?

i'm not sure if you want to count "Fins to Make Us More Fish-Like" really, but it is the title-track and first song to a 3 song EP. it doesn't matter too much i think since no one else will vote for it.

and i decided to leave it alone. i like "Another Morning Stoner" better as a single than "Relative Ways" anyhow.

01 Cornelius - "Drop"
02 Kylie Minogue - "Can't Get You Out of My Head"
03 ...And You Will Know Us by the Trail of Dead - "Another Morning Stoner"
04 The White Stripes - "Fell in Love with a Girl"
05 Blackalicious - "It's Going Down"
06 The Strokes - "Hard to Explain"
07 Clinic - "Walking with Thee"
08 Flaming Lips - "Yoshimi Battles the Pink Robots, Pt. 1"
09 Mum - "Green Grass of Tunnel"
10 Max Tundra - "Lysine"
11 Notwist - "Pick Up the Phone"
12 Ugly Casanova - "Things I Don't Remember"
13 El-P - "Lazerface's Warning"
14 Capitol K - "Pillow"
15 Queens of the Stone Age - "No One Knows"
16 Missy Elliot - "Work It"
17 Interpol - "Obstacle 1"
18 The White Stripes - "Dead Leaves and the Dirty Ground"
19 Flaming Lips - "Do You Realize?"
20 Notwist - "Pilot"

edit. :mad:

the only songs on all 3 lists are "Work It" and "Pillow"

heh.

also, i don't think "Lose Yourself" is very good. just myself. i got sick of it after hearing it about 5 times. i think "White America" is the best single Eminem put out this year.

Originally posted by killtheyouth
10. The Strokes - Hard to Explain

This is 2001--American release, video and all. "Someday" is 2002, however.

Originally posted by sawdust restaurants


This is 2001--American release, video and all. "Someday" is 2002, however.

i think it was released in April/May domestically.

i first heard it on the radio when i was in Chicago for the Q101 festival in May.

this is frustrating. Allmusic doesn't always list singles. For instance, I have Low's Canada single and Allmusic doesn't even list it. It also doesn't list "Jesus Etc."(Wilco) or "Gods Away on Business"(Tom Waits).

Why don't we just list our top songs from 2002? it's so much easier! Besides the singles are rarely the best songs anyway.

because top songs is too inclusive. you're hardly going to have two people voting for the same thing on a board this size.

singles is more fun in my opinion. it's tougher.

Originally posted by killtheyouth
so am i allowed hard to explain or not?

according to me, yes. i thought PFMS accepted it too. which is why it's on my list.

01. Neil Halstead - Driving With Bert
02. Foo Fighters - All My Life
03. Aberdeen - Cities and Buses
04. Spoon - The Way We Get By
05. Rainer Maria - Ears Ring
06. Edison Woods - Vivian
07. Bright Eyes - From a Balance Beam
08. Luna - Black Champagne
09. Elbow - Newborn
10. Coldplay - Clocks
11. Mum - Green Grass of Tunnel
12. Josh Rouse - Miracle
13. The Owls - Everyone is My Friend
14. Trail of Dead - Relative Ways
15. Jimmy Eat World - Sweetness
16. Jurassic 5 - What's Golden
17. Jack Johnson - Flake
18. Black Lab - Learn to Crawl
19. White Stripes - We're Going to Be Friends
20. Zwan - Honestly

EDIT: Desaparecidos - Happiest Place came out last year. :damn: Replaced with Learn to Crawl by Black Lab...

I really don't care, so yeah, you can have Hard to Explain.

And sgeek: AMG doesn't list "Jesus etc." or "God's Away on Business" because they weren't official singles; Wilco and Tom Waits just made videos for them that got some airplay (mostly on 120 Minutes, I'd imagine). And yeah, "Canada" is definitely a single, and you should vote for it if you want. If I had posted my (long) honorable mentions list, you'd have seen it.

1) Dismemberment Plan - Time Bomb
2) Trail of Dead - relative ways
3) Wilco - jesus, etc
4) Interpol - obstacle 1
5) Spoon - the way we get by
6) Queens of the Stone Age - no one knows
7) Nirvana - you know you're right
8) White Stripes - dead leaves on the dirty ground
9) Doves - there goes the fear
10) Clinic - walking with thee
11) BRMC - love burns
12) Vines - outtatheway
13) Strokes - hard to explain
14) Jimmy Eat World - sweetness
15) Jurassic 5 - what's golden
16) Foo Fighters - the one
17) Death Cab For Cutie - movie script ending
18) Weezer - keep fishin'
19) Tenacious D - tribute
20) French Kicks - close to modern

Some of these may be illegal, I think.

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1. Missy Elliott - Work It
2. Wilco - Jesus Etc
3. Badly Drawn Boy - Something To Talk About
4. Tom Waits - God's Away On Business
5. Ugly Casanova - Things I Don't Remember
6. Squarepusher - Do You Know Squarepusher...(I say this counts because it is the most played song off the disc on radio, and it was a 12" single last year)
7. You Am I - Who Put The Devil In You?
8. The Notwist - Pilot
9. Trail Of Dead - Relative Ways
10. Yeah Yeah Yeahs - Machine
11. Blues Explosion - Sweet N Sour
12. Supergrass - Grace
13. Ryan Adams - Nuclear
14. Cornelius - Drop
15. Bjork - It's In Our Hands
16. Augie March - The Vineyard
17. Madonna - Die Another Day
18. Nick Cave - Fifteen Feet Of Pure White Snow( I think that was this year)
19. Tori Amos - A Sorta Fairytale
20. White Stripes - Dead Leaves....</font>

singles.

Originally posted by Irrelevant
is anyone besides us 3 into this PFMS shit though?

i'm not sure if you want to count "Fins to Make Us More Fish-Like" really, but it is the title-track and first song to a 3 song EP. it doesn't matter too much i think since no one else will vote for it.
Wait there's no song called Fins To Make Us...
It's...
1. Grown Men Don't Fall In the River just like that
2.Everyday is A Child with Teeth
3.Pillars Were Hollow and Filled
right?

how do i know which songs off the albums were the singles? i dont listen to the radio

where can i find out the release dates? to be sure it was 2002

what about something like zwan - honestly? its on the radio right now but theres no video and the single and the album arent in stores until next year so does that count


thanks
dan

Originally posted by Best Looking Boy
Wait there's no song called Fins To Make Us...
It's...
1. Grown Men Don't Fall In the River just like that
2.Everyday is A Child with Teeth
3.Pillars Were Hollow and Filled
right?

hmm.

oh. the tracklisting is actually:

1. Pillars Were Hollow and Filled with Candy So We Tore Them Down
2. Every Day is a Child with Teeth
3. Grown Men Don't Fall in the River Just Like That

when they played the song ("Pillars...") on KJHK they called it Fins to Make Us More Fish-like. >:I

now i have to redo my list!

1 justin timberlake- like i love u

I don't listen to the radio, so I don't know what songs were released as singles or not.

Originally posted by Tired of &quot;Me&quot;
I don't listen to the radio, so I don't know what songs were released as singles or not. shut the fuck up and stop complaining.

shit.

Originally posted by Irrelevant


hmm.

oh. the tracklisting is actually:

1. Pillars Were Hollow and Filled with Candy So We Tore Them Down
2. Every Day is a Child with Teeth
3. Grown Men Don't Fall in the River Just Like That

when they played the song ("Pillars...") on KJHK they called it Fins to Make Us More Fish-like. >:I

now i have to redo my list! Ah, there was a video for mr your on fire mr too.

1. ATC-all around the world (la la la la la)

2. T.a.T.u.-all the things she said

3.Nirvana-you know you're right

4. Primal Scream-Miss Lucifer

5.gary jules-mad world

6. lio-rapture

7. golden boy w. miss kittin-rippin' kittin

8. lasgo-something

9. strokes-hard to explain

10. QOTSA-no one knows

11. dj shadow-6 days

12. RHCP-zephyr song

13. X-press 2/feat. David Byrne-Lazy

14. white stripes-dead leaves

15. kylie-love @ first sight

16. dj sammy-heaven

17. john squire- joe louis

18. sonic youth-empty page

19. RHCP-by the way

20. freelance hellraiser- a stroke of genius

What a coincidence, I have one of these all ready to go...

01 DNTEL - (this is) the dream of evan & chan
02 mum - green grass of tunnel
03 nirvana - you know you're right
04 white stripes - fell in love with a girl
05 kylie minogue - can't get you out of my head
06 missy elliott - work it
07 princess superstar & kool keith - keith n me
08 the faint - mote
09 trail of dead - another morning stoner
10 the strokes - hard to explain
11 sonic youth - the empty page
12 kylie minogue - love at first sight
13 avril lavigne - complicated
14 no doubt - hella good
15 white stripes - dead leaves and the dirty ground
16 the breeders - huffer
17 golden boy & miss kittin - rippin kittin
18 phantom planet - california
19 flaming lips - do you realize?
20 jurassic five - whats golden

Originally posted by Kumar Littlejeans

16 the breeders - huffer



I saw them live in July, and they were great, but I can't tolerate most of their new tunes.

Originally posted by killtheyouth
woohoo. people need to be reminded this counts as 2002. what a great, great song.

For some reason, I'd never heard this song until today. I don't feel like revising my list, but if I did, this would entirely be on there.

Originally posted by killtheyouth
are you sure? I just checked AMG and it said under EPs/Singles "Let the good times roll" for 2002.

You are correct, sir. It counts.

Originally posted by Homerpalooza
19) Tenacious D - tribute

This is the only illegal one, but I don't really care and you voted for it at 19, so I'll count it.

Originally posted by dishpan
how do i know which songs off the albums were the singles?

You can ask about specific songs, if you want.

where can i find out the release dates? to be sure it was 2002

www.allmusic.com

what about something like zwan - honestly? its on the radio right now but theres no video and the single and the album arent in stores until next year so does that count

If it's on the radio getting wide airplay, it counts. "Honestly" is definitely a 2002 single.

gracias

Originally posted by sawdust restaurants
You can ask about specific songs, if you want.

what are the singles from yankee hotel foxtrot?

this is my tentative list for now... i cant remember at all what singles were out the first half of this year though. ill update this as i recall more, or you all point out ive chosen some that are illegal, or i steal more choices from other peoples posts!


01. zwan - honestly
02. john williams - across the stars
03. weezer - dope nose
04. eminem - lose yourself
05. xecutioners with linkin park - its goin down
06. pete yorn - strange condition (2nd mix with REM)
07. ours - leaves
08. phantom planet - california
09. coldplay - in my place
10. remy zero - perfect memory
11. nirvana - you know youre right
12. weezer - keep fishin (2nd mix)
13. jimmy eat world - sweetness
14. badly drawn boy - you were right
15. disturbed - prayer
16. red hot chili peppers - by the way
17. justin timberlake - like i love you
18. doves - there goes the fear
19. russell watson - where my heart will take me
20. pearl jam - i am mine

Originally posted by dishpan


01. zwan - honestly

<font color=33FFFF> oh for fuck sake</font>

1. Interpol - Obstacle 1
2. Trail of Dead - Another Morning Stoner
3. DNTEL - (This is) the Dream of Evan and Chan
4. The Notwist - Pick Up the Phone
5. Sage Francis - Climb Trees
6. Capitol K - Pillow
7. Sophie Ellis Bextor - Murder on the Dance Floor
8. Liars - Grown Men Don't Fall in the River just Like That (fish-like ep)
9. El-P - Deep Space 9mm
10. Sonic Youth - the Empty Page
11. DJ Shadow - 6 Days
12. Interpol - PDA
13. Trail of Dead - Relative Ways
14. The Von Bondies - It Came from Japan
15. The Strokes - Hard to Explain
16. Nirvana - You Know You're Right
17. Mum - Green Grass of a Tunnel
18. Kylie Minogue - In Your Eyes
19. The Vines - Get Free
20. Avril Lavigne - Sk8er Boi

Originally posted by French lover Sébastien
1. Interpol - Obstacle 1
why this over PDA, out of curiosity?

Originally posted by killtheyouth
btw my list isnt finalized yeah ill pm it to you later.

grr. I already compiled it.

It's not a problem, really, though. PM me whenever. I just hope Jesus kills your first-born son.

Originally posted by dishpan
what are the singles from yankee hotel foxtrot?

Heavy Metal Drummer, War on War, and Jesus etc.

Originally posted by failure
why this over PDA, out of curiosity?

because i grew tired of PDA

1. the music - take the long road and walk it
2. the coral - dreaming of you

Originally posted by strange_one

<font color=33FFFF> oh for fuck sake</font>

word

Originally posted by dishpan


:noway:

damn look at everyone picking on me

i got asked to write blurbs for PFMS. i'm an awful writer. how embarassing.

i couldnt find the forums when i went to pfm

blackalicious - make you feel that way
jesus etc. - wilco
dead leaves on the dirty ground - white stripes
jimmy eat world - sweetness
missy elliot - work it
do you realize - flaming lips
emenim - skeletons in the closet
queens of the stone age - no one knows
no doubt - hella good

1. Nirvana - You Know You're Right
2. ...And You Will Know Us By The Trail Of Dead - Another Morning Stoner
3. Primal Scream - Miss Lucifer
4. Alec Empire - Addicted To You
5. Badly Drawn Boy - You Were Right, K.

Originally posted by dishpan
damn look at everyone picking on me For the record, your list is closer to what my list would be, than anyone elses here. (I still wouldn't put Honestly at # 1 though) I don't think I've heard twenty singles this year which are worth mentioning.