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spfreak
08-05-2004, 09:44 AM
Hello everyone and welcome back to The Complex. I'm back in LA mixing with Tom Rothrock, (Elliot Smith, Beck, The Warlocks) and it's sounding great. It looks as if we'll be finishing around mid-August. We've since added a piano player, Adam Benjamin to the band and we're going to start doing shows soon. Look for us around the beginning of Sept.

Billy Corgan will be singing a track on the record. One that he picked out. The song was originally going to be an instrumental, but when BC heard it he asked me to write some lyrics for it. So needless to say I'm very excited. I have also been privy to some information regarding Billy's record and it sounds like once again he will change the face of music, (along with The Complex), of course. Anyway, I'm thrilled for both of us. I've been talking to Billy and he's in great spirits which can only mean he's digging the music.

As for the other ex-members of Zwan, they seemed to have resigned themselves to talking about Billy in teeny bopper magazines. Teaching youngsters how to be cool like them. I'd like to see an article about what they've been doing lately. I guess no one else would. I really don't understand why anyone would want to go to all that trouble to do an interview just to be negative about someone else. Did it occur to them that if they weren't talking about Billy, the magazine probably wouldn't give two shits about what they had to say? I'm sure it did to everyone who read it.

Anyway, back to the real world. I've been working on the cover art with Corey Wilton and we've come up with a few different options. It's very cool and reflective of what's been going on in my life. I'm going to try and preview it on the website as soon as it's done.

As for everything else, things are good. My move to California is going smooth. I am going to miss my friends and my city but am looking forward to my west coast future.

As for you my friends, keep spreading the love!! Make the world a better place!!!! Peace, JC

twilightfadez
08-05-2004, 09:49 AM
my big question is

did the ex-zwan immoral band mates contact Jane Magazine to do the article..or did Jane contact them? And either way..they were not rude nor explicit about the relationship with Billy. So I don't see the big deal with it.

And now I hope Jimmy doesn't fall into Billy's footsteps of talking about their personal problems thru his site :rolleyes:

Jimmy, you're too cool for that. Come on :(

twilightfadez
08-05-2004, 09:52 AM
oh and there are always 3 sides to a story

1) Billy's
2) ex-zwan immoral bandmates
3) the truth

Shawn Osmond
08-05-2004, 09:58 AM
Originally posted by twilightfadez
oh and there are always 3 sides to a story

1) Billy's
2) ex-zwan immoral bandmates
3) the truth

1 and 3 are one and the same. Jimmy's words on this issue makes it even more true, because Jimmy's never been one to kiss Billy's ass.

boynameddarcy
08-05-2004, 10:38 AM
I'm beginning to think that Jimmy is the only guy on the planet that considers working with Billy again. They must be really good friends. It's good to know that Jimmy was not part of the problem with Zwan :)

twilightfadez
08-05-2004, 10:40 AM
despite 1996..Jimmy has always been the most level-headed of the bunch :/

wounded
08-05-2004, 10:59 AM
he is right though. no major publication would want to talk to pajo or sweeney if they didn't field questions about billy. i personally could care less about the whole thing though

Firmament
08-05-2004, 11:21 AM
I think he's just backing his freind.

Isle
08-05-2004, 11:39 AM
i can't stress enough what a nice, level-headed sounding guy jimmy is. if he ran for president, i would vote for him, drummer or no.

he's the real brains behind billy's operation

Cherub Angel
08-05-2004, 12:14 PM
Jimmy has always been the one who really didn't bullshit all too much. He could be just backing his friend....but as someone said before, Jimmy has never been one to kiss billy's ass.

Personally, I'd like to hear what Zwan's tour staff, manager, or guitar techs would have to say................they would have less of a bias. They're around the band and generally see everything.

Cherub Angel
08-05-2004, 12:17 PM
Originally posted by wounded
he is right though. no major publication would want to talk to pajo or sweeney if they didn't field questions about billy. i personally could care less about the whole thing though

I think that's what may be the issue.....that the ex-members are getting a bunch of publicity because of their association with Billy and Jimmy.

Spaldz
08-05-2004, 01:06 PM
Jimmy's such a dude. Ever since that Veuphoria therapy session

ChoobieWoobie
08-05-2004, 02:07 PM
Originally posted by Cherub Angel


I think that's what may be the issue.....that the ex-members are getting a bunch of publicity because of their association with Billy and Jimmy.

Don't you remember that hilarious zwan photoshop? "Zwan - Billy Corgan, and some other guys."

Cherub Angel
08-05-2004, 02:09 PM
Originally posted by ChoobieWoobie


Don't you remember that hilarious zwan photoshop? "Zwan - Billy Corgan, and some other guys."

yeah, that was great because it's so true.

Rockin' Cherub
08-05-2004, 02:34 PM
awwww j0mmy

Rider
08-05-2004, 02:47 PM
Originally posted by twilightfadez
my big question is

did the ex-zwan immoral band mates contact Jane Magazine to do the article..or did Jane contact them? And either way..they were not rude nor explicit about the relationship with Billy. So I don't see the big deal with it.

And now I hope Jimmy doesn't fall into Billy's footsteps of talking about their personal problems thru his site :rolleyes:

Jimmy, you're too cool for that. Come on :(

When you read the article it reads like it was'nt even an article I think they got MAtt backstage at that show he did in NYC a few months ago, and just shot off 3 questions to him. Probably the same with Pajo and Paz.

Isle
08-05-2004, 03:13 PM
Originally posted by Rockin' Cherub
awwww j0mmy

:rofl:

zbeast78
08-05-2004, 03:15 PM
does anyone have this elusive Jane article to post???
i'm sure its been posted here before, but i never saw it.
if someone hooks it up, i'll be very thankful

twilightfadez
08-05-2004, 03:18 PM
One Year After the Zwan Breakup: How are they Coping

After barking orders to his minions in the Smashing Pumpkins for over a decade, a wealthy and talented Chicagoan named Billy Corgan decided in late 2001 to form a new superband mysteriously titled Zwan. Billy's vision was to stock this endeavor with the Pumpkins' drummer Jimmy Chamberlin, along with the finest indie rockers in the land! Invitations were dispatched on horseback in leather satchels to guitarists Matt Sweeney (Chavez, Will Oldham, Cat Power) and David Pajo (Slint, Tortoise, Papa M) and a female bassist---a historical weakness of Billy's---Paz Lenchantin (A Perfect Circle). When their record, Mary Star of the Sea, was released in January 2003 and didn't catch fire, Billy didn't waste much time canceling tours, disbanding to the group and publicly lashing out at its former member for not emitting a "family"-like vibe and being "immoral". Billy then turned to poetry (his "Blinking With Fists" comes out in October), but not before blaming guitarist James Iha for the Pumpkins demise. Sheesh. In the aftermath, we asked Zwan's ousted stepchildren some questions.

IS BILLY NICE? IF HE A CONTROL FREAK?
Matt: "It all depends" [Ed's note: No points for being cryptic, Matt.] Paz: "Bill's unflinching disciplinary attributes are what's made him the successful songwriter is is today. So, my opinion on his steadfast vision has no weight after the fact." David: "Yes and yes."

WOULD YOU WORK WITH HIM AGAIN?
Matt: "It all depends." Paz: "They say to 'put your paddles in the boat and just float.' My paddles are in. I'll let time be the nagivator." David: "No. I think it is fair to say it was a sigh of relief for everyone involved."

YOUR CURRENT PROJECTS?
Matt: Touring with Will Oldham. Their record, "Matt Sweeney and Bonnie 'Prince' Billy" comes out in October. Matt's also doing an awesome project called Cockfighter with James Lo and on at least one occassion, Andrew W.K.
Paz: Recording with Entrance and with Jennifer Herrema from Royal Trux. Also Performing with David in Papa M.
David: Touring with Papa M, jamming with people in New York.

RANDOM JAMES IHA TIE-INS?
Matt and James are both men who play guitar. Paz left A Perfect Circle; James joined A Perfect Circle. David dates model Karen Elson, James dated Karen Elson.

Rider
08-05-2004, 03:18 PM
After barking order to his minions in the Smashing Pumpkins for over a decade, a wealthy and talented Chicagoan named Billy Corgan decided in late 2001 to form a new superband mysteriously titled Zwan. Billy's vision was to stock this endeavor with the Pumpkins' drummer Jimmy Chamberlin, along with the finest indie rockers in the land! Invitatiions were dispatched on horseback in leather satchels to guitarist Matt Sweeney (Chavez, Will Oldham, Cat Power) and David Pajo (Slint, Tortoise, Papa M) and a female bassist- a historical weakness of Billy's- Paz Lenchantin (A Perfect Circle). When their record, Mary, Star of the Sea, was released in January 2003 and didn't catch fire, billy didn't waste much time canceling tours, disbadning the group and publicly lashing out at its former members for not emitting a "family"- like vibe and being "immoral." Billy then turned to poetry (his book Blinking With Fists comes out in October),but not before blaming guitarist James Iha for the Pumpkins' demise. Shessh. In the aftermath, we asked Zwasn's ousted stepchildren some questions.

IS BILLY NICE? IS HE A CONTROL FREAK?
Matt: "It all depnds." [Ed.'s note: No points for being cryptic, Matt] Paz: "Billy's unflinching disciplinary attributes are what's made him the successful songwriter he is today. So, my opinion on his steadfast vision has no weight after that fact." David: "Yes and Yes."

WOULD YOU WORK WITH HIM AGAIN?
Matt: "It all depnds." Paz: "They say to 'put your paddles in the boat and just float.' My paddles are in. I'll let time be the navigator." David: "No. I think it is fair to say it was a sigh of relief for everyone involved."

YOUR CURRENT PROJECTS?
Matt: Touring with Will Oldham. Their record, Matt Sweeney and Bonnie "Prince" Billy , comes out in October. Matt's also doing an awesome project called Cockfighter with James Lo and, on at least one occasion, Andrew W. K. Paz: Recording with Entrance and with Jennifer Herrema from Royal Trux. Also performing with David in Papa M. David: Touring with Papa M, jamming with people in New York.

RANDOM JAMES IHA TIE-INS?
Matt and James are both men who play guitar. Paz left A Perfect Circle; James joined A Perfect Circle. David dates model Karen Elson. James dated Karen Elson.

twilightfadez
08-05-2004, 03:19 PM
pwned

Gary
08-06-2004, 02:12 AM
I wish I never read the middle part of that :(, such a shame seeing as the rest of the stuff mentioned sounded pretty good. I'm gonna pick apart his post a bit here.



As for the other ex-members of Zwan, they seemed to have resigned themselves to talking about Billy in teeny bopper magazines. Teaching youngsters how to be cool like them.

As has been mentioned in the thread already, they were asked these questions backstage at a show, It wasnt like some big planned interview where all three were in attendance.

I'd like to see an article about what they've been doing lately. I guess no one else would.

Thats funny, seeing as that article talks about what they have been doing lately, and I for one am certaintly interested in what Pajo is up to if the Slint reunion rumors are true.

I really don't understand why anyone would want to go to all that trouble to do an interview just to be negative about someone else.
Again, they didn't sit down and do an interview, they were asked 3 questions seperatly backstage at shows. Also, the only person who said anything negative was Pajo (That he was a control freak and it was a relief to stop working with Billy) and he still called Billy nice for fucks sake. Sweeny never even said anything.

Did it occur to them that if they weren't talking about Billy, the magazine probably wouldn't give two shits about what they had to say? I'm sure it did to everyone who read it.

This part is 100% true.

The New
08-06-2004, 05:52 AM
Originally posted by spfreak
I have also been privy to some information regarding Billy's record and it sounds like once again he will change the face of music,


Now that's a big call!

Either he truly believes this (and is right to do so),or he's trying to help billy out by keeping people interested

Hopefully the former

thuway
08-06-2004, 06:15 AM
I don't know so muh about the Zwan Record but I remember Billy saying somewhere, that the Record would have been great, if the "Indie" kids didn't want to make it sound more "indie". Which I can see his view from, becuase the record does have some nitpicks, that I can understand where an Indie kid would wanna change.

But..... the thing I see is, with Billy working on a Solo Album, its gonna be great. In all honesty, Siamese Dream and MCIS were both Billy solo albums. Or so he claims. If thats true, than this record should really put a hurting on the music industry, or atlesat I hope it will.


Billy says he has recorded three songs, well I hope he puts some multimedia on his page so we can all hear it.


This may mean nothing to anyone, but I've always loved the Djali Zwan stuff, especially the Paris Concert. In fact I listen to that Concert more than the Zwan CD itself.


Jimmy's record, is gonna be a big raffle. He's always been an excellent executionist, but as far as making a record and having complete and total control...... I don't know. Whenever I hear or watch interviews, it seems like the voice of the band has always been Billy.


Jimmy seems like an honest guy, or well his post makes him sound to be, and his past -- besides that little drug thing, have always insinuated him being more level headed than Darcy and James.


As far as Jimmy's take on those Ex Zwan kid's.... I think that him and Billy's probably would be more reliable than the kids, just because, even though Billy's an ass, he always just straight out tell the truth. And why would Jimmy have to lie about anything......


Let alone, we're fans, so its not our place to question whose telling the truth. Cause, unless we played in Zwan we'll never know.


As for now, I like to believe, that the Ex Zwan members Pajo was a pedophile and raping grandmothers, and Sweeney was a terrorist, and that Paz -- as Jay and Silent Bob would say "LOVES THE COCK". In that case, Billy's accusations are true.


Then again..... people complain about Billy bitching about Zwan or the Zwan kids complain about Billy...... it all is good drama that keeps us entertained.


I wanna hear more about James and the Pumpkins honestly.

The New
08-06-2004, 06:51 AM
That post was funny
All this serious sensible stuff then right near the end just when you think you have the person who posted it sussed


Originally posted by thuway

As for now, I like to believe, that the Ex Zwan members Pajo was a pedophile and raping grandmothers, and Sweeney was a terrorist, and that Paz -- as Jay and Silent Bob would say "LOVES THE COCK". In that case, Billy's accusations are true.


Nice work :)

Starla
08-06-2004, 07:15 AM
Let the ex immoral bandmates put something together themselves and see how it fares. *shrug*
I'd say they need to just....let it go and move on.
On all accounts, everyone is making themselves look ridiculous with this mudslinging and pissing contest.

barden
08-06-2004, 07:49 AM
Originally posted by spfreak
Hello everyone and welcome back to The Complex. I'm back in LA mixing with Tom Rothrock, (Elliot Smith, Beck, The Warlocks) and it's sounding great. It looks as if we'll be finishing around mid-August. We've since added a piano player, Adam Benjamin to the band and we're going to start doing shows soon. Look for us around the beginning of Sept.

Billy Corgan will be singing a track on the record. One that he picked out. The song was originally going to be an instrumental, but when BC heard it he asked me to write some lyrics for it. So needless to say I'm very excited. I have also been privy to some information regarding Billy's record and it sounds like once again he will change the face of music, (along with The Complex), of course. Anyway, I'm thrilled for both of us. I've been talking to Billy and he's in great spirits which can only mean he's digging the music.

As for the other ex-members of Zwan, they seemed to have resigned themselves to talking about Billy in teeny bopper magazines. Teaching youngsters how to be cool like them. I'd like to see an article about what they've been doing lately. I guess no one else would. I really don't understand why anyone would want to go to all that trouble to do an interview just to be negative about someone else. Did it occur to them that if they weren't talking about Billy, the magazine probably wouldn't give two shits about what they had to say? I'm sure it did to everyone who read it.

Anyway, back to the real world. I've been working on the cover art with Corey Wilton and we've come up with a few different options. It's very cool and reflective of what's been going on in my life. I'm going to try and preview it on the website as soon as it's done.

As for everything else, things are good. My move to California is going smooth. I am going to miss my friends and my city but am looking forward to my west coast future.

As for you my friends, keep spreading the love!! Make the world a better place!!!! Peace, JC


Noooooooooooooooo Jimmy, dont go the Billy route!

He has too much loyalty to that man.

barden
08-06-2004, 07:51 AM
Originally posted by Cherub Angel
Jimmy has always been the one who really didn't bullshit all too much. He could be just backing his friend....but as someone said before, Jimmy has never been one to kiss billy's ass.

Personally, I'd like to hear what Zwan's tour staff, manager, or guitar techs would have to say................they would have less of a bias. They're around the band and generally see everything.

Whats this ‘Jimmy was never one to kiss Billy ass’ stuff?

Based on?

Cause my opinion, based on my knowledge, is the complete opposite.

The New
08-06-2004, 07:55 AM
Originally posted by spfreak
I have also been privy to some information regarding Billy's record and it sounds like once again he will change the face of music


Still,i'm the only one to pick up on this comment :confused:

barden
08-06-2004, 07:56 AM
Am I only the one who is seeing this?

IS BILLY NICE? IS HE A CONTROL FREAK?

David: "Yes and Yes."


So lets try this again, simplified:

Is Billy nice? YES!
Is Billy a control freak? YES!

He says he a nice guy, and we all knew he was a control freak. So whats the big deal? The ‘sigh of relief’ comment? Wow. Ease up there Pajo, you might hurt someones feelings!

Rockin' Cherub
08-06-2004, 09:05 AM
Originally posted by ^Agony_Imp^
Am I only the one who is seeing this?

IS BILLY NICE? IS HE A CONTROL FREAK?

David: "Yes and Yes."


So lets try this again, simplified:

Is Billy nice? YES!
Is Billy a control freak? YES!

He says he a nice guy, and we all knew he was a control freak. So whats the big deal? The ‘sigh of relief’ comment? Wow. Ease up there Pajo, you might hurt someones feelings!
maybe both "yes"s refered to the control freak question

oclaftap
08-06-2004, 10:54 AM
Originally posted by spfreak
"Did it occur to them that if they weren't talking about Billy, the magazine probably wouldn't give two shits about what they had to say? I'm sure it did to everyone who read it.

Liquid-J
08-06-2004, 03:00 PM
One Year After the Zwan Breakup: How are they Coping

After barking orders to his minions in the Smashing Pumpkins for over a decade, a wealthy and talented Chicagoan named Billy Corgan decided in late 2001 to form a new superband mysteriously titled Zwan. Billy's vision was to stock this endeavor with the Pumpkins' drummer Jimmy Chamberlin, along with the finest indie rockers in the land! Invitations were dispatched on horseback in leather satchels to guitarists Matt Sweeney (Chavez, Will Oldham, Cat Power) and David Pajo (Slint, Tortoise, Papa M) and a female bassist---a historical weakness of Billy's---Paz Lenchantin (A Perfect Circle). When their record, Mary Star of the Sea, was released in January 2003 and didn't catch fire, Billy didn't waste much time canceling tours, disbanding to the group and publicly lashing out at its former member for not emitting a "family"-like vibe and being "immoral". Billy then turned to poetry (his "Blinking With Fists" comes out in October), but not before blaming guitarist James Iha for the Pumpkins demise. Sheesh. In the aftermath, we asked Zwan's ousted stepchildren some questions.

IS BILLY NICE? IF HE A CONTROL FREAK?
Matt: "It all depends" [Ed's note: No points for being cryptic, Matt.] Paz: "Bill's unflinching disciplinary attributes are what's made him the successful songwriter is is today. So, my opinion on his steadfast vision has no weight after the fact." David: "Yes and yes."

WOULD YOU WORK WITH HIM AGAIN?
Matt: "It all depends." Paz: "They say to 'put your paddles in the boat and just float.' My paddles are in. I'll let time be the nagivator." David: "No. I think it is fair to say it was a sigh of relief for everyone involved."

YOUR CURRENT PROJECTS?
Matt: Touring with Will Oldham. Their record, "Matt Sweeney and Bonnie 'Prince' Billy" comes out in October. Matt's also doing an awesome project called Cockfighter with James Lo and on at least one occassion, Andrew W.K.
Paz: Recording with Entrance and with Jennifer Herrema from Royal Trux. Also Performing with David in Papa M.
David: Touring with Papa M, jamming with people in New York.

RANDOM JAMES IHA TIE-INS?
Matt and James are both men who play guitar. Paz left A Perfect Circle; James joined A Perfect Circle. David dates model Karen Elson, James dated Karen Elson.

TheEdgeboy
08-07-2004, 03:45 AM
sonofabitch.

Jimmy Chamberlain's gone SoCal.



:confused:

DeviousJ
08-07-2004, 11:28 AM
Originally posted by Rockin' Cherub

maybe both "yes"s refered to the control freak question

Maybe they both referred to the 'is he nice' question.

Jimmay spreading misinformation and lies

*pumpkingurl*
08-10-2004, 12:13 AM
:p

Mayfuck
08-10-2004, 03:49 AM
One Year After the Zwan Breakup: How are they Coping

After barking orders to his minions in the Smashing Pumpkins for over a decade, a wealthy and talented Chicagoan named Billy Corgan decided in late 2001 to form a new superband mysteriously titled Zwan. Billy's vision was to stock this endeavor with the Pumpkins' drummer Jimmy Chamberlin, along with the finest indie rockers in the land! Invitations were dispatched on horseback in leather satchels to guitarists Matt Sweeney (Chavez, Will Oldham, Cat Power) and David Pajo (Slint, Tortoise, Papa M) and a female bassist---a historical weakness of Billy's---Paz Lenchantin (A Perfect Circle). When their record, Mary Star of the Sea, was released in January 2003 and didn't catch fire, Billy didn't waste much time canceling tours, disbanding to the group and publicly lashing out at its former member for not emitting a "family"-like vibe and being "immoral". Billy then turned to poetry (his "Blinking With Fists" comes out in October), but not before blaming guitarist James Iha for the Pumpkins demise. Sheesh. In the aftermath, we asked Zwan's ousted stepchildren some questions.

IS BILLY NICE? IF HE A CONTROL FREAK?
Matt: "It all depends" [Ed's note: No points for being cryptic, Matt.] Paz: "Bill's unflinching disciplinary attributes are what's made him the successful songwriter is is today. So, my opinion on his steadfast vision has no weight after the fact." David: "Yes and yes."

WOULD YOU WORK WITH HIM AGAIN?
Matt: "It all depends." Paz: "They say to 'put your paddles in the boat and just float.' My paddles are in. I'll let time be the nagivator." David: "No. I think it is fair to say it was a sigh of relief for everyone involved."

YOUR CURRENT PROJECTS?
Matt: Touring with Will Oldham. Their record, "Matt Sweeney and Bonnie 'Prince' Billy" comes out in October. Matt's also doing an awesome project called Cockfighter with James Lo and on at least one occassion, Andrew W.K.
Paz: Recording with Entrance and with Jennifer Herrema from Royal Trux. Also Performing with David in Papa M.
David: Touring with Papa M, jamming with people in New York.

RANDOM JAMES IHA TIE-INS?
Matt and James are both men who play guitar. Paz left A Perfect Circle; James joined A Perfect Circle. David dates model Karen Elson, James dated Karen Elson.

Dead
08-10-2004, 04:31 AM
Originally posted by spfreak
I've been working on the cover art with Corey Wilton and we've come up with a few different options. It's very cool and reflective of what's been going on in my life.
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