lets hear your voice

way better than I thought he would

whats up, chronic post deleter.

He'll blow up the country and rape my grandmother... that's how he's going to fucking do.

Originally posted by sickbadthing
He'll blow up the country and rape my grandmother... that's how he's going to fucking do.

specifically your grandmother or the nations?

Well, unless we overdub everything Kerry says with Clinton's voice, or the microphone explodes in his face and he sets on fire, Kerry is never going to give an awesome speech. But, all he was expected to do was spout platitudes, and I'd say he did that rather well.

That isn't to say I don't like Kerry; I just think he's terribly boring and uninspiring.

I personally love the way Kerry speaks. He's a fantastic linguist, moreso than Clinton or Obama or Kennedy or anyone else who spoke this week. He speaks very smart, very complex sentences and sentence structure.

On the same token, many people are turned off by that and probably see it as coming across as stale and presumptive. I think he did a good job of not being so complex for the most part last night, and I thin he did a much better job than anyone actually anticipated him doing.

He answered some very crucial questions and the fact he spoke plainly about the misleading ads the GOP have been running against him concerning the tax cuts will go far in capturing the imagination, and eventually votes, of the cross-section of America and especially the crucial plains states.

It wasn't a perfect speech but it was pretty damn good.
I'd give it three tacos out of a possible four.

Democrats need to beware the impulse to drag Bush so low on their intellectual meter that all he has to do is not pass-out with a pretzel in a debate and he comes off looking better then Kerry.

the debates might actually make a big difference this election.

Originally posted by sppunk
I personally love the way Kerry speaks. He's a fantastic linguist, moreso than Clinton or Obama or Kennedy or anyone else who spoke this week. He speaks very smart, very complex sentences and sentence structure.

On the same token, many people are turned off by that and probably see it as coming across as stale and presumptive. I think he did a good job of not being so complex for the most part last night, and I thin he did a much better job than anyone actually anticipated him doing.

He answered some very crucial questions and the fact he spoke plainly about the misleading ads the GOP have been running against him concerning the tax cuts will go far in capturing the imagination, and eventually votes, of the cross-section of America and especially the crucial plains states.

this country has been ruined on intellectual speak, and accepts "is our children learning?" as fine. no one cares if he's smart, a public servant, a patriot. it's sad that a good man, who wrote his own speech will be blamed for his words, while the ghost-written, most likely fumbling attacks at the equally pointless gop convention will be lauded by the "liberal" media as churchill-esque - though not many will know what churchill ever said.

i was inspired by his intelligence and genuine passion for what he speaks of, and i don't apologize for feeling that way.

the thing that bug me was that he would say his the starting line of his sentence over and over again, pretty much waiting for the people there to hush. That drove me crazy. All the other speakers just kept going which I think shows important characteristics of how you can handle a large audiance

Originally posted by Monte
the thing that bug me was that he would say his the starting line of his sentence over and over again, pretty much waiting for the people there to hush. That drove me crazy. All the other speakers just kept going which I think shows important characteristics of how you can handle a large audiance

Everyone else waited for the audience to stop, he didn't, he rushed it a bit.

Originally posted by Future Boy


Everyone else waited for the audience to stop, he didn't, he rushed it a bit.

no a lot of people over talked the crowad and kept going

Originally posted by Future Boy


Everyone else waited for the audience to stop, he didn't, he rushed it a bit. No, he pulled the old trick of looking "so loved by the crowd that they don't even let him get a word in." It's an old trick and few politicians use it anymore.

Originally posted by Nimrod's Son
No, he pulled the old trick of looking "so loved by the crowd that they don't even let him get a word in." It's an old trick and few politicians use it anymore.

Actually, he was trying to get a 70 minute speech in less than 55.

i like to hear what the D.C. buzz is more than actually watching these things.

I dont like Kerry. Which is too bad because he seems like a smart guy, a good guy basically, but he has that paper-mache' narcissism that runs shallow with me (I dont care how well-read you are)...his Vietnam past comes with some dubious perspectives I would rather not have heard and furthermore he's just a continuation of the demogaugery the Marxist implanted in our political ethos since F.D.R. :D

Originally posted by Nimrod's Son
No, he pulled the old trick of looking "so loved by the crowd that they don't even let him get a word in." It's an old trick and few politicians use it anymore.


Even if you were right it would only be accomplished by actually being loved by the crowd. If no one was cheering, it would look fairly stupid.

But regardless, like Sppunk said, he was trying to deliver the speech in quicker time.

Originally posted by Nimrod's Son
No, he pulled the old trick of looking "so loved by the crowd that they don't even let him get a word in." It's an old trick and few politicians use it anymore.

Have you watched W speak? Since he has little other than attack to say, he lets applause eat up lots of time. Watch his stump speeches from this past weekend.....and his father, any time he addressed the senate, it became an SNL skit about how much time was spent on applause and how little on words.

I'm not saying that to be a jerk, it's fairly well known.

All politicians do it.

The GOP convention will have ENDLESS applause, I know it, and there will be 75% talk about 9/11. Giuliani will really only talk about that. I'll be surprised if he doesn't.

JIM LEHRER: Governor Bush was in Knoxville, Tennessee, yesterday.

GEORGE W. BUSH: Today I want to talk about the way we conduct the nation's business. Many Americans believe that Washington's way of doing things just isn't working, that government's purposes are too often forgotten, and opportunities too often squandered, resulting in too few results. There's too much argument in Washington, and not enough discussion; there's too much polling, and not enough decision-making. (Applause) There's too much needless division, and not enough shared accomplishment. There's not enough final acts and resolutions and lasting achievements. There's enough blame to go around for everybody. I do not dismiss the serious disagreements that are part of the political process, but the reality is that Americans look upon the spectacle of Washington, and they do not like what they see. They know this isn't the way the world's greatest power should conduct its affairs. I agree with them. It's time for a change. (Applause)
Reforming the budget process
GEORGE W. BUSH: There are some practical steps we can do to change Washington. First, the budget process -- here's what I propose: I propose that the federal budget be passed by both Houses of Congress and signed by the President into law. As it is now, the President and Congress work separately on their own budget proposals. Only very late in the year do the two branches begin working together on the details. Often their separate budgets are just a prelude to battle. A joint budget resolution signed by the legislative branch and the executive branch would start the process, the beginning of the process, would put it on the right footing, encouraging cooperation and early agreement on the fundamentals. I also support a law putting the entire budget and appropriations process of the federal government on a biannual basis, as is done in my state and 20 other states. (Applause) If the discord in Washington never seems to end, this is partly because the budget process never seems to end.
Next, I will address the longstanding source of public irritation and outrage, the habit of pork barrel spending. It's often said that one politician's pork is another's vital project, one district's corporate welfare another district's vital federal investment; but what we need is a more objective definition of "vital." This confusion is a source of too much waste and haggling and bargaining and ultimate resentment in our nation's capital. We've all heard examples of wasteful spending. There's a list goes on, such as the $250,000 to research caffeinated chewing gum; $750,000 for grasshopper research. Examples come every year, and the process, though, never really seems to change. I support the establishment of a bipartisan commission to eliminate pork throughout the entire federal government. (Applause) Such an idea needs a presidential push, and that's what I intend to give it. This panel will submit to Congress a list of all the spending projects deemed frivolous and unnecessary. The Congress will then cast a simple up or down vote - there would be no amendments, no back scratching, or no logrolling.

Ending "politics as combat"
GEORGE W. BUSH: Above all else, we must call a truce to the "politics as combat," where differences of principles give rise to the unprincipled attacks on character. And a good place to start is in the nomination and confirmation process. The President and the Senate have a joint responsibility. The President must be prompt in submitting his nominations, and the Senate prompt in acting on them. Starting next January, I will make the prompt submission of my presidential nominees a top priority, and I will ask the Senate to act on each nominee I submit within 60 days. I ask this to both - (Applause) - I ask both Republicans and Democrats to follow this standard, regardless of who may be elected next November. Public service is an honorable calling. I view it as an honorable calling, and there are many now serving in Washington or in Tennessee who view it that way as well, but their voices are easily drowned out by the din of battle. Instead, the agenda is determined and a tone has been set by the loud, the aggressive, the contentious. This should not be the spirit of Washington as we go into the 21st century.

During the last two years, we have seen what can be accomplished when we work together. To lift the standards of our public schools, we achieved historic education reform -- which must now be carried out in every school and in every classroom, so that every child in America can read and learn and succeed in life. (Applause.) To protect our country, we reorganized our government and created the Department of Homeland Security, which is mobilizing against the threats of a new era. To bring our economy out of recession, we delivered the largest tax relief in a generation. (Applause.) To insist on integrity in American business we passed tough reforms, and we are holding corporate criminals to account. (Applause.)

"As you know President Bush gave his State of the Union Address, interrupted 70 times by applause and 45 times by really big words." —Jay Leno