I really can't. I can understand the hatred for Kerry/Bush, supporting/not supporting the war, etc.

But I have no idea how people can stand against helping enrich, enhance and enforce the chance of survival. People can blah blah blah about an embreyo all day, but it's still not a kid.

It's not like we're running out of sperm and egg. How can Bush & Co. stand against helping the sick? I guess when you stand against lowering health-care costs and not caring that more than half the nation doesn't have health-care, you can stand against helping and furthering the research to cure diseases that millions suffer, and die, from.

Originally posted by sppunk
People can blah blah blah about an embreyo all day, but it's still not a kid.



To you it's not.

Not everyone shares your views.

Actually, and no I don't have a link handy, but the scientists that testified before the senate comitte on this issue said that adult stem cells have as much if not more value to research than so embyonic stem cells.

PS, if the Dems wanted to find someone qualified to speak about stem cell research, I'm sure they could have found someone more qualified than Ron Reagan.
Maybe the GOP could get Bill Murray to speak about the Strategic Defense Initiative.

Originally posted by Eulogy


To you it's not.

Not everyone shares your views.

Right, way to miss the point, kid.

If it is a kid, then why is it OK to eat an egg? After all, that egg you eat would be a chicken if it hadn't been altered in any way. And, with that, you are killing a life for the betterment of your body.

That's the same thing stem cell research would do. You would better other people's lives with the "yolk" of life.

Originally posted by Nimrod's Son
Actually, and no I don't have a link handy, but the scientists that testified before the senate comitte on this issue said that adult stem cells have as much if not more value to research than so embyonic stem cells.

PS, if the Dems wanted to find someone qualified to speak about stem cell research, I'm sure they could have found someone more qualified than Ron Reagan.

A doctor talking about stem cells isn't "exciting" or anything. Reagan's speech was very good I thought.

And, no, they said these cells aren't positive to stop alzheimers disease. And for the scientists that did testify, more countered what they said and testified that this research is useful and helpful.

And, Bush won't even fund research into adult stem cells. I like the fact we have a president who bases policies on Christian ideals from the far right, that less than half the nation relates to.

Originally posted by sppunk


Right, way to miss the point, kid.

If it is a kid, then why is it OK to eat an egg? After all, that egg you eat would be a chicken if it hadn't been altered in any way. And, with that, you are killing a life for the betterment of your body.

That's the same thing stem cell research would do. You would better other people's lives with the "yolk" of life.

People also kill chickens for food. I don't think we kill adult humans for food.

That was a horrifyingly bad analogy.

And I didn't miss your point, douchebag.

Originally posted by Eulogy


People also kill chickens for food. I don't think we kill adult humans for food.

That was a horrifyingly bad analogy.

No, we kill adults out of greed and spite. Oh, and we have other things to eat. If there weren't, we would be killing people for food.

And since there is no way to cure these diseases but this research, why not allow it to continue?

Originally posted by sppunk
People can blah blah blah about an embreyo all day, but it's still not a kid.

http://user.gru.net/clawrence/vccl/chpt1/embryo1.gif

http://www.mindspring.com/~lthree/kindergarten.jpg

You're saying there's a difference? What the hell's wrong with you, barbarian?

Originally posted by sppunk


No, we kill adults out of greed and spite. Oh, and we have other things to eat. If there weren't, we would be killing people for food.

And since there is no way to cure these diseases but this research, why not allow it to continue?

Killing adults out of greed and spite is not legal. what the fuck are you going on about here?

...and the reason (some) people are against stem cell research is the same reason people are against capital punishment and abortion. In their minds, life is not something we as humans have any right to tamper with. I think that's a perfectly reasonable stance to take.

Originally posted by Ghetto_Squirrel


http://user.gru.net/clawrence/vccl/chpt1/embryo1.gif

http://www.mindspring.com/~lthree/kindergarten.jpg

You're saying there's a difference? What the hell's wrong with you, barbarian?

I don't understand why it's so difficult to accept someone's view that life begins at...oh, say, conception. It might not be the view you hold....but it's still reasonable and respectable.

bah.

If you are against stem cell research then by the same token you are against in vitro fertilization because that process often leaves leftover embryos that are utlimately destroyed.

Originally posted by Eulogy


Killing adults out of greed and spite is not legal. what the fuck are you going on about here?

...and the reason (some) people are against stem cell research is the same reason people are against capital punishment and abortion. In their minds, life is not something we as humans have any right to tamper with. I think that's a perfectly reasonable stance to take.

OK, let's say it is a "life." Procreation is based on sex, not work done in a petri dish in a medical lab. If someone goes, "Hey, let's fuck to make a kid so that we can kill it to get the cells to cure ... " that would be bad.

If doctors take soeone's donated sperm and someone's donated egg, mix them together to create cells to cure a disease, it's not "life," it's science.

I wish I didn't despise science, by the way.

Originally posted by Eulogy


I don't understand why it's so difficult to accept someone's view that life begins at...oh, say, conception. It might not be the view you hold....but it's still reasonable and respectable.

bah.

It's not conception. Conception is when the sperm meets the egg inside the female body, not in a petri dish.

Originally posted by Eulogy
I don't understand why it's so difficult to accept someone's view that life begins at...oh, say, conception. It might not be the view you hold....but it's still reasonable and respectable.

Because considering life as an abstract concept bucks things like rationality in throwing up roadblocks to activities such as curing diseases.

And no, there's no reason involved in the matter. Calling the genetic growth of a fertilised egg that will eventually morph into a human 'life' is a very uncompromising and unreasonable position.

I have a problem with making rash decisions because of a future possibility.

Originally posted by sppunk


OK, let's say it is a "life." Procreation is based on sex, not work done in a petri dish in a medical lab. If someone goes, "Hey, let's fuck to make a kid so that we can kill it to get the cells to cure ... " that would be bad.

If doctors take soeone's donated sperm and someone's donated egg, mix them together to create cells to cure a disease, it's not "life," it's science.

I wish I didn't despise science, by the way.

The same people who would be against stem cell research would be against mixing donated sperm and egg in a dish.

Originally posted by Debaser
If you are against stem cell research then by the same token you are against in vitro fertilization because that process often leaves leftover embryos that are utlimately destroyed.

I'm aware.

Keep in mind that I never said I was against stem cell research.

Originally posted by Ghetto_Squirrel


Because considering life as an abstract concept bucks things like rationality in throwing up roadblocks to activities such as curing diseases.

And no, there's no reason involved in the matter. Calling the genetic growth of a fertilised egg that will eventually morph into a human 'life' is a very uncompromising and unreasonable position.

I have a problem with making rash decisions because of a future possibility.

Everyone draws their own lines where they think life actually begins.

Where do you draw yours? The time of fertilization is, to me at least, as rational a point as any.

But eh. I really don't care enough to keep discussing this.

Originally posted by Eulogy


The same people who would be against stem cell research would be against mixing donated sperm and egg in a dish.

Right. But, the dish mixing isn't conception ... which is what they base their disdain for stem cell research for.

So, are they against all medical experiments? I mean, clinical trials actually kill people ... whereas the petri dish research only could help people. That's what I don't understand.