1. Do you believe this war has anything to do with US economic interests?

2. Do you believe the President is doing an above average job of leading the nation regarding all issues other than the war?

3. Do you think GWB is an intelligent person?

4. Do you believe there was no cover-up regarding the prisoner scandal as in Rumsfeld knew nothing of the techniques that were being instituted?

5. Do you believe that the administration "has not" used any deceptive techniques to manufacture consent from the public to initiate war?

6. What's your favorite color?

7. Do you believe that the president is possibly the puppet of his cabinet?

8. Do you think terrorists attack us because they "hate our freedom"?

9. Why do you think terrorists attack us?

its funny how, when things are put into this kind of light, how obvious it becomes. id find it hard to believe that even the most convicted pro-bush person could answer no to #1,2,3,5, and 8, if not all of them. even the colour one. itd be just flat out intellectually dishonest to do so, although since when did that ever matter. ive always hated that "they hate our freedom" one. what a sensible and apt explanation for things. totally on par with freedom fries to go down as a shameful and humourous footnote for future history and sociology texts. liberty cabbage for all!

Originally posted by sleeper
its funny how, when things are put into this kind of light, how obvious it becomes. id find it hard to believe that even the most convicted pro-bush person could answer no to #1,2,3,5, and 8, if not all of them. even the colour one. itd be just flat out intellectually dishonest to do so, although since when did that ever matter. ive always hated that "they hate our freedom" one. what a sensible and apt explanation for things. totally on par with freedom fries to go down as a shameful and humourous footnote for future history and sociology texts. liberty cabbage for all!

you should be in politics. you have a great way of setting the tone.

Originally posted by Vulva


you should be in politics. you have a great way of setting the tone.

<font color=#007AAA face="courier new">Only bad people have the stomach for politics.</font>

1. Do you believe this war has anything to do with US economic interests? <b> Yes</b>

2. Do you believe the President is doing an above average job of leading the nation regarding all issues other than the war? <b>No</b>

3. Do you think GWB is an intelligent person? <b>No</b>

4. Do you believe there was no cover-up regarding the prisoner scandal as in Rumsfeld knew nothing of the techniques that were being instituted? <b>No</b>

5. Do you believe that the administration "has not" used any deceptive techniques to manufacture consent from the public to initiate war? <b>No</b>

6. What's your favorite color? <b>Blue</b>

7. Do you believe that the president is possibly the puppet of his cabinet? <b>I'll get back to you on that one...</b>

8. Do you think terrorists attack us because they "hate our freedom"? <b>No</b>

9. Why do you think terrorists attack us? <b>Because of our interests in Israel and the fact that we've been occupying a middle eastern country for a few months now...among other things.</b>

Originally posted by Vulva
1. Do you believe this war has anything to do with US economic interests?

2. Do you believe the President is doing an above average job of leading the nation regarding all issues other than the war?

3. Do you think GWB is an intelligent person?

4. Do you believe there was no cover-up regarding the prisoner scandal as in Rumsfeld knew nothing of the techniques that were being instituted?

5. Do you believe that the administration "has not" used any deceptive techniques to manufacture consent from the public to initiate war?

6. What's your favorite color?

7. Do you believe that the president is possibly the puppet of his cabinet?

8. Do you think terrorists attack us because they "hate our freedom"?

9. Why do you think terrorists attack us?

1. Yes. I believe an essential goal of the Iraq war is to bring stability to the Middle East. A more stable Middle East serves US economic interest by 1) reducing the rate of discount that is directly tied to the "terror premium", and 2) increasing world-wide production/consumption/competition. Generally, I think any effort to bring stability to the Middle East is a noble if not good-intentioned effort.

2. No. Deficit spending, erosion of civil liberties, increased socialization of health care, increased regulation, and a complete disregard for foreign diplomacy are but a few areas where the president is doing a below average job of leading the nation.

3. Yes. Intelligence is a relative term, but I believe George W. Bush's IQ is well above the national average.

4. Pass. I have no idea what Rumsfield authorized or covered-up related to the Abu Ghraib prison scandal.

5. No. Of course they used deceptive techniques. The ends most always justify the means for even honest "public servants". (Aside: "Manufactured Consent" - nice Chomsky reference.)

6. n/a

7. Yes.

8. No. And anyone who honestly believes that is an idiot.

9. I saw a sign once that said "They hate us because. . ." and had a list of purported transgressions against the Arab world. My favorite said "They hate us because. . .we don't even know why they hate us".

1. of course
2. no
3. yes
4. no
5. no
6. blue
7. no
8. no
9. american foreign and economic policy (i.e. supporting israel, military bases in saudi arabia)

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Vulva
[B]1. Do you believe this war has anything to do with US economic interests?

Yes. In fact maybe all of it.

2. Do you believe the President is doing an above average job of leading the nation regarding all issues other than the war?

No. I don't know any of his policies that have made an impact. Don't mention the economy. Any effect a president has on the economy is years after the policy was put into place.

3. Do you think GWB is an intelligent person?

No. I'm not sure anyone else does either.

4. Do you believe there was no cover-up regarding the prisoner scandal as in Rumsfeld knew nothing of the techniques that were being instituted?

No.

5. Do you believe that the administration "has not" used any deceptive techniques to manufacture consent from the public to initiate war?

No...hmm I know where this is going

6. What's your favorite color?

7. Do you believe that the president is possibly the puppet of his cabinet?

He is the puppet of the entire neocon cabal.

8. Do you think terrorists attack us because they "hate our freedom"?

loooooooool.

9. Why do you think terrorists attack us?

-We allow and encourage Israel to dominate Palestine
-We support corrupt governments in the middle east
-They do not like that we have a large military presence on the Arabian peninsula.
-We pressure Arab countries to keep oil prices low.
-War in Iraq obviously.

1. Do you believe this war has anything to do with US economic interests?

Yes. Probably most of it.


2. Do you believe the President is doing an above average job of leading the nation regarding all issues other than the war?

No.

3. Do you think GWB is an intelligent person?

Yes. Of course he is. There's different kinds of intelligence.

4. Do you believe there was no cover-up regarding the prisoner scandal as in Rumsfeld knew nothing of the techniques that were being instituted?

I have no idea. I mean....I guess there could have been...but that's just based on my already negative opinion about Donald Rumsfeld. It doesn't mean anything.

5. Do you believe that the administration "has not" used any deceptive techniques to manufacture consent from the public to initiate war?

Name one technique they've used that hasn't been deceptive.

6. What's your favorite color?

Forest Green.

7. Do you believe that the president is possibly the puppet of his cabinet?

More importantly, he's a puppet of huge corporations, fear mongering, war mongering, and deception.

8. Do you think terrorists attack us because they "hate our freedom"?

No, not really. They don't even understand what our freedom is. I don't think we even understand it.

9. Why do you think terrorists attack us?

Its popular, and it gives them purpose. Same reason we attack them.

1. Do you believe this war has anything to do with US economic interests?

YES

2. Do you believe the President is doing an above average job of leading the nation regarding all issues other than the war?

HELL NO

3. Do you think GWB is an intelligent person?

YES

4. Do you believe there was no cover-up regarding the prisoner scandal as in Rumsfeld knew nothing of the techniques that were being instituted?

NO

5. Do you believe that the administration "has not" used any deceptive techniques to manufacture consent from the public to initiate war?

NO

6. What's your favorite color?

BLUE-GRAY

7. Do you believe that the president is possibly the puppet of his cabinet?

NO

8. Do you think terrorists attack us because they "hate our freedom"?

HELL NO

9. Why do you think terrorists attack us?

Because they percieve the US as "the great satan." Their pre-enlightenment morality does not tolerate our culture. Their pre-industrial economy does not comprehend our economy. Their barbaric form of government does not tolerate our democratic form of government. We continue to meddle in their affairs, using their lack of all of the above to exploit their resources. Their religious adherance to mysticism does not allow them to comprehend using a rational, diplomatic or non-violent means of both educating american citizens of what is going on in their territories and fighting against injustices that are being propagated upon them by the US and others.

1. Do you believe this war has anything to do with US economic interests?
well, if it doesn't have much to do with preventing terrorism, what other reasons would there be to go to war?

2. Do you believe the President is doing an above average job of leading the nation regarding all issues other than the war?
no.

3. Do you think GWB is an intelligent person?
honestly, no. i know there's different kinds of intelligence, and i'd say every other member of his administration that i despise is intelligent.

4. Do you believe there was no cover-up regarding the prisoner scandal as in Rumsfeld knew nothing of the techniques that were being instituted?
there's really no proof either way. go media.

5. Do you believe that the administration "has not" used any deceptive techniques to manufacture consent from the public to initiate war?
no.

6. What's your favorite color?
green.

7. Do you believe that the president is possibly the puppet of his cabinet?
i wish he'd give me reason to not suspect this.

8. Do you think terrorists attack us because they "hate our freedom"?
maybe! that's just not obviously the only reason and full explanation.

9. Why do you think terrorists attack us?
uhhh... what jczeroman said.

The war was declared over a long time ago.

1. Do you believe this war has anything to do with US economic interests?

Of course.

2. Do you believe the President is doing an above average job of leading the nation regarding all issues other than the war?

Way, way below average.

3. Do you think GWB is an intelligent person?

Yes.

4. Do you believe there was no cover-up regarding the prisoner scandal as in Rumsfeld knew nothing of the techniques that were being instituted?

There was most-definitely a cover-up, and Rumsfeld himself ordered many of the abuse tactics to be used.

5. Do you believe that the administration "has not" used any deceptive techniques to manufacture consent from the public to initiate war?

They've deceived the nation more than any other county since Hitler deceived Germany in the early 30s.

6. What's your favorite color?

Red.

7. Do you believe that the president is possibly the puppet of his cabinet?

No, but he's not pulling all the strings by himself.

8. Do you think terrorists attack us because they "hate our freedom"?

If I hear Bush say that one more time, I'm sending a letter to the White House.

9. Why do you think terrorists attack us?

They simply hate us ... whether their hate be relevant or not. They fear our culture of overpowering theres, so they believe if they get rid of us from the Mideast (and they can do that by attacking us here), we can not dilute their agendas. They fear our capitalist regime will make the entire world - from the desert in Aghanistan to the oil refiniries in Iraq - their playground, which will eventually get rid of any Islamic governments.

But, most importantly, the hate they feel toward us comes from our support of the Israeli occcupation. No one will realize that, but since we started backing Israel heavily again and not "really" helping for a plan to withdrawal from Gaza, the hate the Islamic community feels for us has skyrocketed.

Originally posted by BlueStar
The war was declared over a long time ago.

By the way, Happy 900th U.S soldier death!!

Originally posted by Mayfuck


By the way, Happy 900th U.S soldier death!! Actually, it's over 1000 now.

Yay...I can pigeon-hole myself politically.



Location: Bush Country
Posts: 1974
9 questions

1. Do you believe this war has anything to do with US economic interests?

Of course.

2. Do you believe the President is doing an above average job of leading the nation regarding all issues other than the war?

No.

3. Do you think GWB is an intelligent person?

OMG NO LOL!!!!11 Except, that's a stupid question. Personally, I don't think he's intelligent enough to lead this country...but I'll leave it at that.

4. Do you believe there was no cover-up regarding the prisoner scandal as in Rumsfeld knew nothing of the techniques that were being instituted?

I imagine he did know about it.

5. Do you believe that the administration "has not" used any deceptive techniques to manufacture consent from the public to initiate war?

Well, how many times did they change the justification for this war? Of course they did.

6. What's your favorite color?

Dark blue.

7. Do you believe that the president is possibly the puppet of his cabinet?

Yes.

8. Do you think terrorists attack us because they "hate our freedom"?

No.

9. Why do you think terrorists attack us?

Wait, this isn't a yes or no question! Help! I have to think? Okay...fine. You know, I can't honestly say for sure. It has a lot to do with US imperialist tendancies abroad, and it has a lot to do with the terrorists being fucked-up nut-jobs.

Originally posted by BlueStar
The war was declared over a long time ago.

<font color=#007AAA face="courier new">Yeah, that's so the military doesn't have to pay the soldiers for combat duty.</font>

Originally posted by Mr. Rhinoceros


<font color=#007AAA face="courier new">Yeah, that's so the military doesn't have to pay the soldiers for combat duty.</font> No, soldiers are still getting paid for combat duty if they are in a combat zone. And all of Iraq is considered a combat zone. The soldiers closer to the real violence get paid a little bit more than those that just chill in the back.

Originally posted by Vulva
1. Do you believe this war has anything to do with US economic interests?

2. Do you believe the President is doing an above average job of leading the nation regarding all issues other than the war?

3. Do you think GWB is an intelligent person?

4. Do you believe there was no cover-up regarding the prisoner scandal as in Rumsfeld knew nothing of the techniques that were being instituted?

5. Do you believe that the administration "has not" used any deceptive techniques to manufacture consent from the public to initiate war?

6. What's your favorite color?

7. Do you believe that the president is possibly the puppet of his cabinet?

8. Do you think terrorists attack us because they "hate our freedom"?

9. Why do you think terrorists attack us? I will answer this because otherwise Debaser and sppunk and Donkey may not finish their circle jerk.


1. Do you believe this war has anything to do with US economic interests?
Every war in the history of the United States has had something to do with economic interests. This war is no different.


2. Do you believe the President is doing an above average job of leading the nation regarding all issues other than the war?
I would say average.


3. Do you think GWB is an intelligent person?
Reasonably intelligent, yes. I don't think he's a good linguist though.

4. Do you believe there was no cover-up regarding the prisoner scandal as in Rumsfeld knew nothing of the techniques that were being instituted?
I don't think there was a cover up, and it would surprise me to know that the Secretary of Defense had any knowledge of such things, and if he did, would have allowed photographs to get out. I think the fact that the pictures leaked are pretty good evidence that Rummy didn't know about it.


5. Do you believe that the administration "has not" used any deceptive techniques to manufacture consent from the public to initiate war?
It depends on what you mean by deceptive. Do I think they believed everything they presented to Congress? Most likely, as most of the world seemed to believe it at the time. Do I think they used that information to push their agenda? Of course.


6. What's your favorite color?
Purple

7. Do you believe that the president is possibly the puppet of his cabinet?
No, however Bush IMO has more experienced members of his cabinet than any other President in recent history, so he does rely on them heavily. I don't think he's a "puppet." He has the final say.


8. Do you think terrorists attack us because they "hate our freedom"?
No. That's silly.


9. Why do you think terrorists attack us?
This really isn't much different from the Muslim Crusades over a thousand years ago. This is a Holy War. It hasn't just started, and it's not ending any time soon. The difference is that recently the extremists have been able to get a hold of higher technology than ever before.

how religous are you?

1. All wars do. The economy is inextricably linked with so many other facets of American life that it would be silly not to think so.

2. No, but then I would think that, wouldn't I?

3. Of course he's intelligent. But I do think, to a certain extent, he allows himself to be willfully ignorant. And he has a large penchant for thinking of things in black-and-white terms, an almost evangelical way of going about things that not unjustifiably drives Democrats bonkers.

4. I'm sure there was some sort of cover-up, or at least an effort to cover the Army's tracks. I'm not qualified to comment on the extent of what might or might not have happened.

5. I don't think the government lied, if that's what you're saying. But I do think a lot of the rhetoric the administration has used has been rather misleading. Bush tends to stray from making direct accusations, for example, that Iraq and al-Qaeda are tied; but he conflates 9-11 and Iraq in his speeches so much that the same message gets across.

6. Sky blue

7. Of course not. But I do think, much like Reagan, he's willing to dole out a lot of responsibility. Bush runs the country on four hours a day.

8. What a silly, inane thing to believe. Sadly, I do believe the president believes it to a certain extent--in large part due to that evangelical, us-versus-them mindset I outlined in No. 3.

9. I think people fail to recognize that a large part of terrorists' hatred (and it is hatred) toward America stems from specific policies, much like the ones Julio outlined in his post. I'm sure things would change if we made our policies more palatable to terrorists, though certainly we can't change things just because some whacked-out fundamentalists want us to.

Originally posted by BeautifulLoser
1. Do you believe this war has anything to do with US economic interests? <b> Yes</b>

2. Do you believe the President is doing an above average job of leading the nation regarding all issues other than the war? <b>No</b>

3. Do you think GWB is an intelligent person? <b>No</b>

4. Do you believe there was no cover-up regarding the prisoner scandal as in Rumsfeld knew nothing of the techniques that were being instituted? <b>No</b>

5. Do you believe that the administration "has not" used any deceptive techniques to manufacture consent from the public to initiate war? <b>No</b>

6. What's your favorite color? <b>Blue</b>

7. Do you believe that the president is possibly the puppet of his cabinet? <b>I'll get back to you on that one...</b>

8. Do you think terrorists attack us because they "hate our freedom"? <b>No</b>

9. Why do you think terrorists attack us? <b>Because of our interests in Israel and the fact that we've been occupying a middle eastern country for a few months now...among other things.</b>

exactly... especially #9

1. Do you believe this war has anything to do with US economic interests?
Yeah.

2. Do you believe the President is doing an above average job of leading the nation regarding all issues other than the war?
Nope.

3. Do you think GWB is an intelligent person?
God no. He's a good politician, I'll give him that.

4. Do you believe there was no cover-up regarding the prisoner scandal as in Rumsfeld knew nothing of the techniques that were being instituted?
I believe to some extent he knew what they were doing, and ignored it, not exactly in a cover-up type of way though. He's not that careless.

5. Do you believe that the administration "has not" used any deceptive techniques to manufacture consent from the public to initiate war?
No, I believe they have. Bush said "nucular" one too many times for my taste.

6. What's your favorite color? Green

7. Do you believe that the president is possibly the puppet of his cabinet? Is there such a thing as a willing puppet?

8. Do you think terrorists attack us because they "hate our freedom"? They must, the president said so.

9. Why do you think terrorists attack us? They view us as Israel's bitch, and we havnt really given them a reason not to. Plus invading and conquering one of their countrys probably wont go over well.

Originally posted by Donkey
how religous are you? Politics' sole involvement in religion, and religion's sole association in politics should be that freedom of religion is protected.

Originally posted by Nimrod's Son
Politics' sole involvement in religion, and religion's sole association in politics should be that freedom of religion is protected.

Do you think to protect religion you have to supervise religous events?

Originally posted by sppunk


Do you think to protect religion you have to supervise religous events? Absolutely not.

Originally posted by Nimrod's Son
Absolutely not.

OK, cool. Do you strongly despise the current administration's take on Christian values and their role in policy-making?

These aren't attacks, just curious sense you're coming from a completely different side than I.

Originally posted by sppunk


OK, cool. Do you strongly despise the current administration's take on Christian values and their role in policy-making?

These aren't attacks, just curious sense you're coming from a completely different side than I. I don't define Christian values as "religion." Infact I believe most Christian values, if followed properly, are beneficial for politicians.

Originally posted by Nimrod's Son
I don't define Christian values as "religion." Infact I believe most Christian values, if followed properly, are beneficial for politicians.

Values, yes. And I should have stated this more clearly, do you think defining policy on an extreme take of religion is OK?

Originally posted by sppunk


Values, yes. And I should have stated this more clearly, do you think defining policy on an extreme take of religion is OK? Defining policy on an extreme take of religion would not be OK.

Originally posted by Nimrod's Son
Defining policy on an extreme take of religion would not be OK.

Thanks.

Originally posted by sppunk


Thanks.