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sppunk
07-15-2004, 03:13 PM
Dick Cheney will be told after after the GOP convention in NYC that he is unfit to serve as VP. Bush will move him into the role as the new CIA chief and pick another VP.

I_was_aborted
07-15-2004, 03:38 PM
Never happen, he will run as VP and Bush will lose the election.

mpp
07-15-2004, 03:43 PM
Originally posted by sppunk
Dick Cheney will be told after after the GOP convention in NYC that he is unfit to serve as VP. Bush will move him into the role as the new CIA chief and pick another VP.

drudge had a similar reprot this mornign but now it's gone

i think the NYT ran a cover story this morning


the new VP will be either condy rice or some other minority woman...hopefully, that will backfire and bush will still lose

I_was_aborted
07-15-2004, 03:49 PM
Ummm Cheney just released a statement saying he will stay on as VP?

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/07/15/cheney.ap/index.html

Thursday, July 15, 2004 Posted: 4:33 PM EDT (2033 GMT)



Vice President Dick Cheney speaks Monday in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania.


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WASHINGTON (AP) -- Vice President Dick Cheney says rumors aside, he's not dropping out of the race.

President Bush has been "very clear he doesn't want to break up the team," Cheney said in a C-SPAN interview that will be broadcast Sunday.

There has been persistent speculation that Cheney would step down for political or health reasons.

"He's made his decision," Cheney said of Bush. "I've made mine. I suppose right now, because we're in the run up to the convention, people don't have much to talk about so you get speculation on that. It's normal. When we get to the convention, I think that'll put an end to it."

White House spokesman Scott McClellan added Thursday, "Yes, he will be on the ticket."

While Cheney is strongly supported by the GOP's conservative base, some Republicans have quietly suggested that he should be replaced.

He has had four heart attacks and his approval ratings have plummeted amid persistent questions about his role in promoting the Iraq war and in handling the September 11 terror attacks.

Among replacement possibilities: Sen. John McCain of Arizona, Secretary of State Colin Powell, national security adviser Condoleezza Rice, and former New York City Mayor Rudolph Giuliani.

Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry said Thursday that if Bush replaces Cheney, it will be the latest in a string of broken promises.

"It will mean that the president's word once again doesn't mean anything, that he himself is the flip-flopper of all flip-floppers because he's been touting how important Dick Cheney is," Kerry told broadcaster Don Imus. "The fact is that George Bush would be declaring an act of desperation, a sudden move that goes contrary to everything he's said."

On C-SPAN, Cheney was asked if he could envision any circumstances in which he would step aside.

"Well, no, I can't. If I thought that were appropriate, I certainly would. But he's made it very clear that he wants me to run again. The way I got here in the first place was that he persuaded me four years ago that I was the man he wanted in that post, not just as a candidate, but as somebody to be part of the governing team. He's been very clear he doesn't want to break up the team."

Cheney's wife, Lynne, was emphatic that he would accept the vice presidential nomination again at the GOP convention in New York.

"Oh, it'll happen," she told C-SPAN.

sppunk
07-15-2004, 03:51 PM
Originally posted by I_was_aborted


http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/07/15/cheney.ap/index.html



He's obviously not going to say he's being replaced, silly!

I_was_aborted
07-15-2004, 04:03 PM
If Bush tries to replace him it will disable Bush from being able to call Kerry a flip flopper...I don't think Bush is stupid enough to go back on his claims, especially when his credibility is already in so much doubt.

sppunk
07-15-2004, 04:19 PM
Originally posted by I_was_aborted
If Bush tries to replace him it will disable Bush from being able to call Kerry a flip flopper...I don't think Bush is stupid enough to go back on his claims, especially when his credibility is already in so much doubt.

But see, Bush isn't "replacing' him. If Cheney plays off the fact a doctor tells him he's unfit to serve as VP, Bush can put him in the CIA (which people need to start pissing on him for because he's ignoring the fact it has no leader) and he gets a new VP with energy and not as many skeletons.

I bet Bush didn't think Cheney would be alive for his reelection campaign.

I_was_aborted
07-15-2004, 04:34 PM
I still say, never happen...if Cheney leaves it he will be totally gone.

Future Boy
07-15-2004, 09:53 PM
Originally posted by sppunk
I bet Bush didn't think Cheney would be alive for his reelection campaign.

It would never be Powell, I think if he was gonna put himself through something like that it would be for the whole show, and not stand-by to some chump.

Mr. Rhinoceros
07-16-2004, 05:23 AM
Originally posted by I_was_aborted
If Bush tries to replace him it will disable Bush from being able to call Kerry a flip flopper


<font color=#007AAA face="courier new">Yeah that's uh, not it at all. In fact, that makes little sense.

The sentence is a stylistic nightmare as well. Disable from being able to.</font>

homechicago
07-16-2004, 11:49 AM
bush has never been one for changing his mind to better serve a situation. it would be uncharacteristic for him to drop shifty mc secretive at this point.

sppunk
07-16-2004, 12:16 PM
Originally posted by homechicago
bush has never been one for changing his mind to better serve a situation. it would be uncharacteristic for him to drop shifty mc secretive at this point.

Yeah, except that whole thing about going to Iraq to find WMD to going to Iraq to find Saddam to going to Iraq to liberating the people.

Yeah, that's keeping the same mentality.

homechicago
07-16-2004, 12:27 PM
i don't think that was changing his mind, it was changing excuses as to why we needed to stay the course and not leave a wrong situation. he will never pull us out of iraq. he doesn't change his mind - he sticks his heels in quicksand, mantras, and the like. changing his reasons didn't change the fact we are still in iraq and aren't going anywhere.

Marginalia
07-16-2004, 03:24 PM
he sticks his heels in quicksand, mantras, and the like.

Exactly. Therefore, I kinda doubt he'll dump Cheney. Besides, I think he needs Cheney. Bush doesn't make his own decisions.

It's possible that he'll drop him tho, if his poll numbers get low enough. I wouldn't rule it out.

I_was_aborted
07-16-2004, 03:50 PM
Originally posted by Mr. Rhinoceros



<font color=#007AAA face="courier new">Yeah that's uh, not it at all. In fact, that makes little sense.

The sentence is a stylistic nightmare as well. Disable from being able to.</font>

I wish I could be the grammar king of the world but I guess I'll have to settle without.

My point was, if Bush himself drops Cheney he will also be flip flopping on an issue. This is something which Bush is trying hard not to do because that is his main assault stance against Kerry.

Bush will never get rid of Cheney because he has already declard he is keeping him.

Mr. Rhinoceros
07-18-2004, 10:42 PM
Originally posted by I_was_aborted


I wish I could be the grammar king of the world but I guess I'll have to settle without.

My point was, if Bush himself drops Cheney he will also be flip flopping on an issue. This is something which Bush is trying hard not to do because that is his main assault stance against Kerry.

Bush will never get rid of Cheney because he has already declard he is keeping him.


<font color=#007AAA face="courier new">Bush is also using Kerry's veitnam record against him. I don't really think he's too concerned with coming off as a hypocrite.</font>