Can you really count on a guy to win when he can't even use something as universally appaling as the Iraqi prisoner scandal to garner support for his campaign? (Bush is still beating him in most polls).

Meh, maybe he likes Rumsfeld.

Originally posted by Tchocky
Bush is still beating him in most polls.

If asked to choose between Bush and Not Bush, some people will pick the original over the knockoff.

At least Kerry can make it through a speach without studdering and having to look down ever 15 seconds. I know lots and lots of people who never voted before...but I can guarantee you they will be there this year. I think this voter turnout will be one of the largest ever and hopefully more liberals than not will turn out.

as universally appaling as the Iraqi prisoner scandal

you mean the hazing?

the whole thing is really only appaling to the marxist in this country who hate Bush. Granted, that *******s most of the flunkies in the media, but that's because they'd rather side on our enemies than our military.

Originally posted by The Omega Concern


you mean the hazing?

the whole thing is really only appaling to the marxist in this country who hate Bush. Granted, that *******s most of the flunkies in the media, but that's because they'd rather side on our enemies than our military.

LOL. You're such a fucking clown.

I agree Omega, you are a fool

Let me elaborate, you live in a fucking vacuum where the only things that probably exist to you is your truck, your shotgun, and your widescreen television with NASCAR races on.

isn't bush down in most polls?
and his speeches....whatever, let him studder and look down all he wants. i just dont like what it is he's saying at least half the time.

Originally posted by Tchocky
Can you really count on a guy to win when he can't even use something as universally appaling as the Iraqi prisoner scandal to garner support for his campaign?

im rather glad kerry isn't gloating over the situation as if rumsfeld were directly responisble. that's something the bush administration does to rally support and usually things get taken out of context. were fighting in iraq in afghanistan because of events that happened on 9/11; events that were virtually unrelated to iraq or afghanistan

Originally posted by sickbadthing


LOL. You're such a fucking clown.

Oh my reply is already here

he doesn't need to comment on an obvious mess, what is there to say? the president has spoken against it, so what's kerry supposed to say? a bunch of nonsensical talk that condemns something but not really anything? that's more of a gop tactic.

he's doing just fine.

the treatment of the detainees neither surprises me or makes me think the Jihad as the extremist Islamic terrorist goal of crippling America is a falsehood.

Politically, it certainly doesnt help Bush.

Realistically, im still right about the Marxist thing.

that is all.

Originally posted by The Omega Concern
Realistically, im still right about the Marxist thing.

<font color=#007AAA face="courier new">Honestly, your insistance that the media is Marxist makes me wonder if you understand Marxism at all.</font>

Originally posted by The Omega Concern
Realistically, im still right about the Marxist thing.

:rofl: If you're serious, you've obviously never read anything Marx has written. This makes the Bush-Hitler comparison look dead-on.

For fun, sociologist Herbert Gans' 'enduring values' of the media:

- Ethnocentrism
- Altruistic democracy
- Responsible capitalism
- Small town pastoralism
- Individualism
- Moderatism
- Desirability for social order
- Need for national leadership

Marxist:

<img src="http://forums.netphoria.org/attachment.php?s=&postid=981238">

NOT Marxist:

<img src="http://forums.netphoria.org/attachment.php?s=&postid=981240">

<font color=#007AAA face="courier new">That has to be my favorite cover of Time ever.</font>

Originally posted by Mr. Rhinoceros
<font color=#007AAA face="courier new">That has to be my favorite cover of Time ever.</font> When I first saw it, I imagined what the budget meeting for the issue must've been like: the entire Time editorial staff sitting around their big, U-shaped table with pouts on their faces, like children who didn't get the toy they wanted at the store.

Originally posted by Love Jones
Let me elaborate, you live in a fucking vacuum where the only things that probably exist to you is your truck, your shotgun, and your widescreen television with NASCAR races on.

enjoy being a close-minded asshole.

Originally posted by 2Marlon2Brando


enjoy being a close-minded asshole.

<font color=#007AAA face="courier new">I could really do without your heavy-handed ethical commentary.</font>

Originally posted by Mr. Rhinoceros


<font color=#007AAA face="courier new">I could really do without your heavy-handed ethical commentary.</font>

:rofl:

http://forums.netphoria.org/images/5stars.gif

So Bush might win another term? I thought everyone was sick of him. He's totally fucking up. Another 4 years of Bush would be terrible. :erm

Originally posted by Dead
So Bush might win another term? I thought everyone was sick of him. He's totally fucking up. Another 4 years of Bush would be terrible. :erm

<font color=#007AAA face="courier new">He's a fascist, and people who know what's up and still support him are fascists too.</font>

not even a mouth-guard can protect him from the k.o. of questionable economy and unclear direction in a trumped up war.

i just want kerry to DO some good once he gets the chance.

daily, even weekly tallies on either guy are meaningless right now.

Ghetto,

sociologist are frustrated Marxist.

Karl Marx was a rich lawyer who had too much free time on his hands.

"from each according to his means, to each according to his needs..." is the Marxist refrain that the brainwashed Marxist in the Democratic have taken 30 years to culture as the foundation of the party today.

Kerry is the Utopian embodiment of all that has been wrong with the Democratic party since the Russian-Marxist influenced the counter-culture of the late 60's with the free-sex and the LSD.

wait, that's wrong. I meant the Clintons...but I digress.

My point is, Kerry could be worse than Bush, but anymore Im feeling there's no way out with either of them or brother Jeb and Evita for the race in 2008.

Originally posted by Mr. Rhinoceros


<font color=#007AAA face="courier new">He's a fascist, and people who know what's up and still support him are fascists too.</font> Obviously, you don't understand fascism.

Originally posted by Nimrod's Son
Obviously, you don't understand fascism.

<font color=#007AAA face="courier new">I dunno, all this flag waving and nationalism at a time like this looks an awful lot like fascism. Questioning the patriotism of the opposition, staging grand political stunts involving the president; landing on the aircraft carrier, the now discarded idea of Bush accepting the nomination at ground zero of the WTC. Campaigns of misinformation and outright lies to do what the administration wants. Karl Rove is a modern day Goebbles. Also invading countries because you can is a red flag. You don't have to intern citizens in concentration camps to be fascist.

I admit I'm being highly dramatic, but I think it's dangerous. Four more years...that would be horrifying.</font>

Originally posted by Mr. Rhinoceros


I dunno, all this flag waving and nationalism at a time like this looks an awful lot like fascism. Questioning the patriotism of the opposition, staging grand political stunts involving the president; landing on the aircraft carrier, the now discarded idea of Bush accepting the nomination at ground zero of the WTC. Campaigns of misinformation and outright lies to do what the administration wants. Karl Rove is a modern day Goebbles. Also invading countries because you can is a red flag. You don't have to intern citizens in concentration camps to be fascist.

I admit I'm being highly dramatic, but I think it's dangerous. Four more years...that would be horrifying.

<font color="gold">So Bush isn't allowed to make appearances that make him look good?

Think about it this way; Bush would be EVIL for accepting the nomination at Ground Zero, whereas Abraham Lincoln is praised for making a short albeit notable speech on the site of the most grisly battle fought on American soil?

Originally posted by Mr. Burns


<font color="gold">So Bush isn't allowed to make appearances that make him look good?

Think about it this way; Bush would be EVIL for accepting the nomination at Ground Zero, whereas Abraham Lincoln is praised for making a short albeit notable speech on the site of the most grisly battle fought on American soil?

<font color=#007AAA face="courier new">Not evil, entirely inappropriate. Looking good is one thing, pretending to be a fighter pilot is something different. And how do you know I praise Abraham Lincoln?</font>

Originally posted by Mr. Rhinoceros


Not evil, entirely inappropriate. Looking good is one thing, pretending to be a fighter pilot is something different.

http://www2.warnerbros.com/madmagazine/files/onthestands/ots_437/images/6.jpg

MAD is usually crap beyond belief, but I thought that was pretty good.

Bush is Evil for sending troops to Iraq then not giving them enough bullets (i.e. support) to kill the enemy.

Mr. Rhino,

There's compelling evidence that asserts the TWA 800 flight was shot down by either Iraq or Iran...and the resulting cover-up was many factors, one being that essentially the press gave Clinton a free pass because they wanted to buy the lie that peace was here to stay and the developing terror war didn't exist (this reflects the Clinton's disposition on the matter, not coincidently).

Clinton's own bombing of Iraq was based on evidence that he and Osama bin-Laden were producing WMD's in Sudan.

and this is a big part of the Reason Mr. Clinton is being so statesmenlike about Iraq right now. Every Dem worth the D on their party name equates Bush to the devil, but ol' William stays above the fray and suggest things are going o.k. in Iraq.

hmmm...maybe its just that everyone in the oligarchy is too chummy.

Originally posted by The Omega Concern
Mr. Rhino,

There's compelling evidence that asserts the TWA 800 flight was shot down by either Iraq or Iran...and the resulting cover-up was many factors, one being that essentially the press gave Clinton a free pass because they wanted to buy the lie that peace was here to stay and the developing terror war didn't exist (this reflects the Clinton's disposition on the matter, not coincidently)

<font color=#007AAA face="courier new">You're an idiot.</font>

the record shows Mr. Rhino's retort.

here's mine:

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Originally posted by The Omega Concern
the record shows Mr. Rhino's retort.

here's mine:

http://www.shopnetdaily.com/store/item.asp?ITEM_ID=1084

<font color=#007AAA face="courier new">Oh wow. I have to retract my previous comment. Of course, Bill Clinton must be a part of a conspiracy with the Shah of Iran to down commercial jetcraft. He's capable of anything right!?

The only reason for a coverup was if our military did it, which is what I think is what happened. Of course, I don't write books about it or act like it's true.</font>

its important and all whether its true. Im not hung up on it, but I wouldn't discount it (the flight 800 thing, or anything devious about Bush for that matter) for the sake of what the real story is.

Clinton was always capable of what he knew he could get away with, which was plenty in Arkansas for instance (he owned the Judicial system essentially) and lived like the good Marxist he was taught to be (a non-murderous Lenin, if you will).

and when he went to the White House, the stakes were raised but the Clintons and the FOB's carried on like it was an 8-year college frat house party (as evidenced by the behavior of the leader) and things like Leaders of other countries and Terrorists were literally put on hold because that was the priorities of the Office at the time.

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Soooooooooo, to the topic at hand.

For ten years I've seen the Dem's count their eggs before their hatched, and with only the Clinton-Dole election as an exception, they've lost every significant election since the Clintons took office and it seems as though they may be asked to "save" Kerry from himself.

I doubt their that interested, but, I could be wrong. If no terror attacks happen and Iraq is basically o.k. and gas prices level off. Bush probably wins.

I'm wondering if the Democrats are counting their eggs before their hatched again, they seem like it kinda and the prison-abuse scandel is their main issue and cause. that's somewhat flimsy.

<font color=#007AAA face="courier new">I'm sorry but I can't take anything you say seriously when you insist that Clinton was a Marxist.

Are you a troll?</font>

In 1918, Theodore Roosevelt said, "To announce that there must
be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the
President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is
morally treasonable to the American public."



the current climate is oppressive to those who agree with this quote by roosevelt.

Congresswoman Pelosi said that his handling of
the war in Iraq shows "an incompetence in terms of knowledge,
judgment and experience, in making the decisions that would have been necessary to truly accomplish the mission without the deaths to our troops and the cost to our taxpayers."

House Majority leader Tom DeLay responded that "her words are
putting American lives at risk," and that she has "a responsibility to the troops and to this nation to show unity in this time of war."

or that she should keep her mouth shut and blindly obey the leader. scary.

Originally posted by Mr. Rhinoceros
I'm sorry but I can't take anything you say seriously when you insist that Clinton was a Marxist.

Are you a troll?

Seriously, Omega. What the fuck happened, dude? Have you always been this way or is my memory served only by a naive sense that you were once in tune with what you were saying.

Originally posted by homechicago
House Majority leader Tom DeLay responded that "her words areputting American lives at risk," and that she has "a responsibility to the troops and to this nation to show unity in this time of war."

or that she should keep her mouth shut and blindly obey the leader. scary.
Ooh. I can play the paraphrase game too.

Congresswoman Pelosi said that his handling of
the war in Iraq shows "an incompetence in terms of knowledge,
judgment and experience, in making the decisions that would have been necessary to truly accomplish the mission without the deaths to our troops and the cost to our taxpayers."
Or that she has no real ideas or suggestions as to what should have been done instead and is just playing partisan politics.

Criticism is fine and well and should be encouraged if its constructive. Its a tool that should be used to promote change. But there's a difference between criticism thats meant to lead to betterment, and criticism for the sake of ulterior motives (aka complaining and second guessing without offering alternatives or solutions).

you have a right to say if someone does a bad job. that's it. the complaint stems from the point that the war was a bad idea that has no good solutions. it shouldn't have happened. neither side of the political spectrum plays nice and says nothing if it isn't complimentary. get real.

Originally posted by homechicago
In 1918, Theodore Roosevelt said, "To announce that there must
be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the
President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is
morally treasonable to the American public."

<font color=#007AAA face="courier new">That's why Teddy r00lz.</font>

Karl Marx was a rich lawyer who dreamed up social theories. As a former sociology major I tussled with countless professors about the true intentions of Marxism and these professors told me time and again how Lenin and Stalin had gone off the beaten path of Marxism and shattered the utopian dream...after some years of this I came to the conclusion these men and women were apologist for the U.S.S.R., who, if they didnt hate capitalism so much they too could have done great things in the business world (they chose academia).

Ya, Bill Clinton, I will admit, was more oppurtunist than Marxist. But his political vocabulary still has a healthy dose of classism in it and THAT MY FRIENDS IS A MARXIST TENET. deal with it.

Karl Marx: "From each according to his means, to each according to his needs."

Enter Hillary: her proposal of Universal health care in their first term is a tax the rich give to the poor faulty utopian ideal that killed Russia...a utopian ideal that was originated by Karl Marx and those he influenced in social theory.

I do believe Liberals (the Social Theorist type) understand the Faustian lie America is wholly wrapped in better than your average Conservative, for example. But that's another subject almost as it pertains to a spirituality issue that I think most Conservatives accept better than your average San Francisco democrat, for example, because they confuse their hedonism as a religion unto itself.

anyway, re: Marxism and Clinton. Clinton went to Russia when he was in college because the Commies had him on their list of persuadable prospects in American politics. They did this a lot in the Kremlin back in the day. Kerry's past is that of an apologist to the Marxist ideals as well, so...

none of this means I'm voting for Bush, fyi.

<font color=#007AAA face="courier new">Well, in the first place, I don't think there's anything <i>wrong</i> with believing in Communisim as an ideal.

Also, I don't think there's anything brilliant about making gobs of money for yourself.</font>

well at least now we're at a starting point.

Kerry won't win because he's_________________.


Bush won't win because he's__________________.



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Kerry won't win because he's just too damn boring and wishy-washy.

Bush won't win because enough conservatives simply won't vote this election.

Ralph Nader....WINNAHHHH!!!

not.

anyway, only because Bush is in power and therefore has the ultimate trump card is why I figure he should win. It's still his office to lose no matter what the polls say right now.

Originally posted by The Omega Concern


You're a total fucking moron. Even McCarthy wasn't as paranoid about Marxism as you are.

McCarthy was right about Communism. KGB documents exposed the U.S.S.R.'s dealings of influencing the culture through movies and Hollywood.

He wasn't paranoid, he was right.