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Dead
05-27-2004, 05:25 PM
I didn't see this mentioned in here, I figure this is the appropriate forum.

http://www.axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/article_8231.shtml

Pending Draft Legislation Targeted for Spring 2005
By Action Alert
May 27, 2004, 14:50

The Draft will Start in June 2005

There is pending legislation in the House and Senate (twin bills: S 89 and HR 163) which will time the program's initiation so the draft can begin at early as Spring 2005 -- just after the 2004 presidential election. The administration is quietly trying to get these bills passed now, while the public's attention is on the elections, so our action on this is needed immediately.

$28 million has been added to the 2004 Selective Service System (SSS) budget to prepare for a military draft that could start as early as June 15, 2005. Selective Service must report to Bush on March 31, 2005 that the system, which has lain dormant for decades, is ready for activation. Please see website: www.sss.gov/perfplan_fy2004.html to view the sss annual performance plan - fiscal year 2004.

The pentagon has quietly begun a public campaign to fill all 10,350 draft board positions and 11,070 appeals board slots nationwide.. Though this is an unpopular election year topic, military experts and influential members of congress are suggesting that if Rumsfeld's prediction of a "long, hard slog" in Iraq and Afghanistan [and a permanent state of war on "terrorism"] proves accurate, the U.S. may have no choice but to draft.

Congress brought twin bills, S. 89 and HR 163 forward this year, http://www.hslda.org/legislation/na...s89/default.asp entitled the Universal National Service Act of 2003, "to provide for the common defense by requiring that all young persons [age 18--26] in the United States, including women, perform a period of military service or a period of civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, and for other purposes." These active bills currently sit in the committee on armed services.

Dodging the draft will be more difficult than those from the Vietnam era. College and Canada will not be options. In December 2001, Canada and the U.S. signed a "smart border declaration," which could be used to keep would-be draft dodgers in. Signed by Canada's minister of foreign affairs, John Manley, and U.S. Homeland Security director, Tom Ridge, the declaration involves a 30-point plan which implements, among other things, a "pre-clearance agreement" of people entering and departing each country. Reforms aimed at making the draft more equitable along gender and class lines also eliminates higher education as a shelter. Underclassmen would only be able to postpone service until the end of their current semester. Seniors would have until the end of the academic year.

Even those voters who currently support US actions abroad may still object to this move, knowing their own children or grandchildren will not have a say about whether to fight. Not that it should make a difference, but this plan, among other things, eliminates higher education as a shelter and *******s women in the draft.

The public has a right to air their opinions about such an important decision.

http://www.congress.org/congressorg/issues/alert/?alertid=5834001&content_dir=ua_congressorg

Mr. Rhinoceros
05-27-2004, 05:50 PM
<font color=#007AAA face="courier new">I love reading hysterical press releases.

<h1>THE DRAFT WILL START IN 2005</h1>
<font size="1">Provided the House and the Senate pass the legislation and the President, to be elected in November 2004, authorizes it.</font>

Enzed
05-27-2004, 06:17 PM
Originally posted by Mr. Rhinoceros
<font color=#007AAA face="courier new">I love reading hysterical press releases.

<h1>THE DRAFT WILL START IN 2005</h1>
<font size="1">Provided the House and the Senate pass the legislation and the President, to be elected in November 2004, authorizes it.</font>

Dude, you're going to WAR!

Dead
05-27-2004, 06:18 PM
<font color=#007AAA face="courier new">Good luck fellas.</font>

Love Jones
05-27-2004, 06:40 PM
This is pure insanity. I suspect this will foment revolution across the American landscape. People will not hand over their freedom and their lives to support of a LIE. There is no cause and no enemy, just a country tired of seeing us wave guns in their faces and sodomize them and rape their women with K-9 dogs and smother them in shit and rob whatever unfortunate-but-not-a-terrorist-WMD-threat semblance of stability they may have had previously.We are occupying Iraq needlessly. We invaded it needlessly. Once the reality of a draft come straight into our living rooms needlessly, out of necessity, we will finally say 'enough'.

christian zombie vampires
05-27-2004, 08:39 PM
Originally posted by Love Jones
People will not hand over their freedom and their lives to support of a LIE.

almost 700 have already, voluntarily.

i'm wondering if voting for kerry would prevent the draft. being an 'unpopular election topic' and all.

Tchocky
05-27-2004, 09:35 PM
As dumb as Bush is, he's smart enough to not reinstate the draft until after he's re-elected (and face it, it'll happen; Kerry doesn't have a prayer) because if he does it now, he'd be committing political suicide.

Nimrod's Son
05-28-2004, 09:48 AM
Originally posted by Love Jones
This is pure insanity. I suspect this will foment revolution across the American landscape. People will not hand over their freedom and their lives to support of a LIE. There is no cause and no enemy, just a country tired of seeing us wave guns in their faces and sodomize them and rape their women with K-9 dogs and smother them in shit and rob whatever unfortunate-but-not-a-terrorist-WMD-threat semblance of stability they may have had previously.We are occupying Iraq needlessly. We invaded it needlessly. Once the reality of a draft come straight into our living rooms needlessly, out of necessity, we will finally say 'enough'. This isn't a very good troll.

The Omega Concern
05-28-2004, 01:33 PM
i'm wondering if voting for kerry would prevent the draft.

mmmmmmmmm...it could.

but I distinctly remember Mr. Kerry calling for a draft a couple years ago on Meet the Press. He was going on how young people today dont have an appreciation for service and yadda yadda...

maybe he's already flipped on that by now though.

anyway, it seems this will be much more likely if Bush wins than Kerry, but who knows. Hillary may end up as dictator in 6 months, so watch out.

jczeroman
05-28-2004, 01:51 PM
The draft will not happen. We may... MAY get a manditory service bill passed by all your socialist/leftist congressmen. But there willl be no draft. You guys sound liek the department of homeland security announcing terror threats.

I_was_aborted
05-28-2004, 03:15 PM
I'll never serve in any military no matter what. I'd love to see them pass a draft just so I could say fuck off and leave the country illegally.

Mariner
05-28-2004, 04:17 PM
Originally posted by jczeroman
The draft will not happen. We may... MAY get a manditory service bill passed by all your socialist/leftist congressmen. But there willl be no draft.

Could you elaborate on this a bit?

Love Jones
05-28-2004, 06:24 PM
This isn't a very good troll

Okay, so back it up with some specifics instead of just dismissing it, schmuck.

GoGadget
05-28-2004, 09:22 PM
Originally posted by Love Jones
Once the reality of a draft come straight into our living rooms needlessly, out of necessity, we will finally say 'enough'.

maybe all this draft talk is just to show people what the war could be coming to if it doesn't come to an end soon. scaring people into realizing why we should just get out of there.
...and maybe not.....

Love Jones
05-28-2004, 10:06 PM
Yes, quite possibly, if as Cheney says, this war will last 'until the end of my lifetime' (which, given Cheney's tenuous health, isn't saying much), then a future draft logically will follow.
I've read things stating that if there were a draft, it would not be a draft to recruit just any random warm body with hands to put a gun into, but rather a 'special skills' set draft, ie. computer programmers, telecommunications specialists, medical personnel, etc. This seems feasible, given the current grave shortage of military people in these sorely needed fields and specialties already.

i wanna die
05-28-2004, 11:14 PM
so, if i understand correctly, this will be like vietnam where young adults of age are virtually forced into war?

DeviousJ
05-29-2004, 10:49 AM
Is there anything fundamentally different here from all the other times some guy has tried to pass a draft bill?

Mr. Rhinoceros
05-29-2004, 07:17 PM
Originally posted by jczeroman
The draft will not happen. We may... MAY get a manditory service bill passed by all your socialist/leftist congressmen. But there willl be no draft. You guys sound liek the department of homeland security announcing terror threats.

<font color=#007AAA face="courier new">Socialists? In our government? LOL! I'd like you to provide a list of these so called "socialists" that are in favor of mandatory military service.</font>

dusty
05-29-2004, 09:58 PM
a group of students at my university have been going around putting up dozens of flyers around campus filled with the same rhetoric that was posted at the start of this thread. but everytime i notice a new flyer it seems that just as quickly someone is going around and tearing them down. it makes me very angry. i have been telling everyone that i know about these new legislations they are attempting to pass, i want everyone i know to know about this, and then i want them to go to the polls in november and vote for whoever they see fit. it is quite suprising actually, to see how many americans remain completely unaware of these new issues.
i don't know about you- but if bush wants to continue the controversial occupation of rebellious middle eastern countries without consulting the UN about it- then he can do it all he wants. let him go to iraq and fight the front lines himself. i'm sure as hell not going to fight his fucking war.

Mr. Rhinoceros
05-30-2004, 12:38 AM
Originally posted by dusty
it is quite suprising actually, to see how many americans remain completely unaware of these new issues.

<font color=#007AAA face="courier new">Fortunately, statistics show that these people don't vote.</font>