is an isolated incident and not indicative of the US military?
we're (actually YOU since i knew it all along) finding out that's bullshit.

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040513/ap_on_re_as/afghan_prisoner_abuse_17


Group: Afghan Prisoners Abuse 'Systemic'

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By STEPHEN GRAHAM, Associated Press Writer

KABUL, Afghanistan - Prisoners in U.S. custody in Afghanistan (news - web sites) suffer "systemic" mistreatment, Human Rights Watch claimed Thursday, calling for a network of secretive jails dogged by allegations of assault and sexual abuse to be opened to outside scrutiny.


In light of the widening scandal over prisoner abuse in Iraq (news - web sites), the rights group also urged the United States to finally clear up the deaths of three Afghans in custody since late 2002.


"The United States has shown that it can't police its own prisons," said John Sifton, New York-based Human Rights Watch's Afghanistan expert said in a statement.


Rights activists have long complained of what they say are consistent allegations of abuse in American holding facilities across the country since the fall of the Taliban in late 2001.


Under renewed scrutiny following the revelations in Iraq, the U.S. military insists it is treating detainees in Afghanistan "humanely" and had improved its procedures.


The top U.S. general here said Tuesday that the military made "very significant changes" to its prison regime in early-2003 in the light of alleged abuses, including the prisoner deaths.


Yet on Monday, it opened a new criminal investigation into complaints of mistreatment from a former Afghan police officer held for about 40 days last summer.


Sayed Nabi Siddiqui told The Associated Press on Wednesday that he was punched, stripped naked and had objects inserted into his anus in three U.S. holding facilities — before being released without charge.


Human Rights Watch said his case fitted a pattern, citing earlier prisoner accounts of beatings, sleep deprivation and exposure to extreme cold.


"Mistreatment of prisoners by U.S. military and intelligence personnel in Afghanistan is a systemic problem and not limited to a few isolated cases," it said.


Human Rights Watch also criticized the silence surrounding the slow-moving investigation into the deaths of two prisoners at Bagram in December 2002. Military autopsies ruled both deaths were homicides.


U.S. military spokesman Tucker Mansager said Wednesday the probe is still ongoing.


But Human Rights Watch said it had information that preliminary results were complete in early 2003, and that some soldiers were disciplined.


Very little is also known about the death of a third prisoner in eastern Kunar province in June 2003.


"It's time now for the United States to publicize the results of its investigations of abuse, fully prosecute those responsible, and provide access to independent monitors," Human Rights Watch said.


Currently, officials from the International Committee of the Red Cross visit the Bagram prison, but their reports are not made public and they have no access to holding facilities elsewhere in Afghanistan.


Mansager said Wednesday a request from the Afghan Independent Human Rights Committee for access to prisoners to prevent them from suffering Iraq-style abuses was being "mulled over."

No kidding. Only angry jocks join the military.

Originally posted by Mayfuck
No kidding. Only angry jocks join the military.

95 percent correct.

I want to know who/when people in high command start getting fired, and when Kerry is going to jump on this ... if he will.

I feel sorry for that incredibly ugly lady who had become the face of the abuse in Iraq. I fully recognize how much bad shit she's done, but it seems to me that she was unfairly made the face of the problem. I was thinking about this on the bus yesterday and my conclusion was, "At least now she can justify massive plasic surgery, because she'll need it to go on living in the world." Is anyone alse bothered by it, or have you seen articles that address the issue? Or does no one care because she's a bad person not worthy of our pity?

Originally posted by pink_ribbon_scars
I feel sorry for that incredibly ugly lady who had become the face of the abuse in Iraq. I fully recognize how much bad shit she's done, but it seems to me that she was unfairly made the face of the problem. I was thinking about this on the bus yesterday and my conclusion was, "At least now she can justify massive plasic surgery, because she'll need it to go on living in the world." Is anyone alse bothered by it, or have you seen articles that address the issue? Or does no one care because she's a bad person not worthy of our pity?

I can't wait til she poses for Playboy.

Richard Jewell? (1st suspect of the Olympic bombing in Atlanta...completely innocent).

watch out when the Feds need a scapegoat...look what happened to David Koresh.

Originally posted by pink_ribbon_scars
I was thinking about this on the bus yesterday and my conclusion was, "At least now she can justify massive plasic surgery, because she'll need it to go on living in the world." Is anyone alse bothered by it, or have you seen articles that address the issue? Or does no one care because she's a bad person not worthy of our pity?

She won't need plastic surgery for one reason: She'll be going to jail for a long time for her part in this mess. In 20 years, the public will have forgotten about all this...and 20 years of aging will probably do the same trick massive plastic surgery would.

Originally posted by Corganist


She won't need plastic surgery for one reason: She'll be going to jail for a long time for her part in this mess. In 20 years, the public will have forgotten about all this...and 20 years of aging will probably do the same trick massive plastic surgery would.

Good point, I forgot how mcuh difference aging can make, especially aging in a prison. It wouldn't suprise me at all if she got killed in prison.

And to amend my original post, I had not yet read about there actually being a lot of orgy sex pictures with her in them, and things like that, and I was (stupidly) buying into her "the chain of command put me into this" schtick. I still think it's wrong for her to be the face of all the problems, but I guess she's even more fucked up than I thought so I'm goint to cut off my pity.

Originally posted by Mayfuck


I can't wait til she poses for Playboy.

HA! If that happens I'll know that Earth has completed its transformation to Bizarro World. That's all it'll take to seal the deal. The way this nation is, it would probably be the best selling issue ever.