patrick
04-05-2004, 04:42 PM
I'm so fucking sick of people saying Zwan was shitty. What was so shitty about them? They were a fun, talented rock & roll band. Just because it wasn't The Smashing Pumpkins, people love to knock it.
View Full Version : I'm so fucking sick of people saying Zwan was shitty. What was so shitty about them? patrick 04-05-2004, 04:42 PM I'm so fucking sick of people saying Zwan was shitty. What was so shitty about them? They were a fun, talented rock & roll band. Just because it wasn't The Smashing Pumpkins, people love to knock it. severin 04-05-2004, 04:43 PM are you trying to get rid of your indie-cred? patrick 04-05-2004, 04:43 PM Originally posted by severin are you trying to get rid of your indie-cred? Meh. Hardly anything groundbreaking here. Same old "I sold out my indie cred to play fifth wheel in a failed mainstream band" sob story that has been lying underneath everything the guy has said about the band since the breakup. I think this is just indie posturing really. "Oh, I didn't realize that we were gonna try and be all trendy and mainstream. I hated every second of it, because I'm so indie. And even if I did sell out, it doesn't really count because I didn't get any money, right? And I realized the evils of the mainstream." What a load. severin 04-05-2004, 04:45 PM Originally posted by patrick Meh. Hardly anything groundbreaking here. Same old "I sold out my indie cred to play fifth wheel in a failed mainstream band" sob story that has been lying underneath everything the guy has said about the band since the breakup. I think this is just indie posturing really. "Oh, I didn't realize that we were gonna try and be all trendy and mainstream. I hated every second of it, because I'm so indie. And even if I did sell out, it doesn't really count because I didn't get any money, right? And I realized the evils of the mainstream." What a load. actually i was talking about yours, not pajo's.... severin 04-05-2004, 04:46 PM which doesn't make anything you said wrong, mind you... Deege 04-05-2004, 05:17 PM I thought their lyrics sucked, and I wasn't a fan of the upbeat poppy-ness. They were a good solid band musically though. Just not my thing. Not everybody hated them...but the thing is, the only people who even gave a shit enough to check them out, were already SP fans. Most of which liked SP's dark themes and depressed lyrics, which was completely opposite of Zwan. Had they been promoted right they would have found their niche, even if it was christian rock, basically. Phoenix Down 04-05-2004, 05:25 PM Originally posted by patrick I'm so fucking sick of people saying Zwan was shitty. What was so shitty about them? rofl. THE ALBUM ! (and fakey happiness) Rockin' Cherub 04-05-2004, 05:27 PM Originally posted by Phoenix Down i like your user name. Phoenix Down 04-05-2004, 05:29 PM Originally posted by Rockin' Cherub i like your user name. thx. i'm a big final fantasy fan.... Ranger 04-05-2004, 05:30 PM Originally posted by Deege I thought their lyrics sucked, and I wasn't a fan of the upbeat poppy-ness. They were a good solid band musically though. Just not my thing. Not everybody hated them...but the thing is, the only people who even gave a shit enough to check them out, were already SP fans. Most of which liked SP's dark themes and depressed lyrics, which was completely opposite of Zwan. Had they been promoted right they would have found their niche, even if it was christian rock, basically. The weren't marketed right. They should have went on tour with DC Talk and Jars of Clay. Netphoria probably would have imploded if that happened though.... zbeast78 04-05-2004, 05:32 PM nah, i don't think anyone hated zwan right out of the box (i'm referring to holdover pumpkins fans of course)... but i think a lot of people were disappointed in the album. it was a good album, i definately liked it. i just got mad every time i imagined the album with "the shining path" instead of "lets rock" or "my life & times" instead of "el sol".... i must say i was very excited about the djali album. so when that idea was scrapped, i kinda looked at zwan as a great idea that never really got going. ps- i did like mary star of the sea better than machina. Rockin' Cherub 04-05-2004, 05:38 PM Originally posted by Phoenix Down thx. i'm a big final fantasy fan.... me too! DeviousJ 04-05-2004, 06:21 PM It's ok P-trix. I understand you Corganist 04-05-2004, 07:23 PM Originally posted by Deege even if it was christian rock, basically. Originally posted by Ranger They should have went on tour with DC Talk and Jars of Clay. Comments like these just really drive fact home that people apparently just didn't get Zwan, which is kinda strange because there wasn't much there to get. It was just Corgan's attempt at light pop-rock. It was not Christian rock by ANY stretch of the imagination whatsoever. Everyone says "Oooh! He wrote a song titled Jesus, must be Christian Rock!" Of course, the same time he wrote that song he also wrote Spilled Milk, which is among the raunchier songs he has written. I don't know. I guess people are outgrowing their Billy fandom en masse. I think thats fine, but I wish people wouldn't try and make it out like Billy's driving them to it. Didn't like Zwan? Fine. Its not for you, but don't try to shoehorn them into a category that they are obviously not a part of. Zwan was as much Christian rock as they were gangsta rap. eraserhead 04-05-2004, 08:59 PM only idiots complain about the "Christian" element in zwan. my problem with them was that there was so much potential (songwriting and musicianship) that was not tapped into or did not make it on the album. el sol, broken heart and mary are the only songs i'd leave on it. i'm sure that there are many here who could come up with some killer lists for that album. billy had an assload of amazing songs and chose to make a happy poppy album instead. theres nothing wrong with pop but why sacrifice all your best songs just to show the world that you aren;t in the pumpkins mode anymore? ridiculous. kind of insecure maybe? pumpkingrrrl 04-05-2004, 09:26 PM i agree that zwan wasn't "christian rock"..i asked this guy at work that heavily listens to that kind of music if he ever heard of zwan, he said no. that just proves the point. and i actually didn't like zwan when they first came out because i was like everyone else, i wasn't gonna listen to billy if it wasn't the pumpkins. but then i saw them in concert and they were awsome and i bought mary star and i've grown to love the record very much. especially "broken heart" i think it's a beautiful song but i do agree that other songs corgan wrote should have been on the album. Ensoul 04-05-2004, 09:27 PM they totally fucked some songs up in the studio. I thought "Baby, Let's Rock!" was a kickass song before they put it in the studio. Also, as I said before, put the setlist of the 11-16 Glass House show and make it an album and the album would be awesome. hereisnowhy 04-05-2004, 10:07 PM I thought Zwan was great -- I'm just upset they never recorded the acoustic album. Cherub Angel 04-05-2004, 10:45 PM My story is about the same, I was excited when they were going to make an acoustic album, but since it didn't pull through it bummed me out. Those are good songs. They were a very very solid live band. Before the record came out I really dug their performances and it got me excited about the record. And you know what? The record really isn't bad. There are songs that are definitely catchy, but there was some room for a bit more innovation. The Pitchfork crowd slammed it before they listened to it (since the name Billy Corgan was attached to it) and it was too different amongst the mainstream manly man rock. It was a pop/rock record to the extreme.....you can't look at it as anything more. If you do you won't even enjoy it. And the whole indie cred issue mentioned at the beginning of the thread......thinking you have indie cred or need to maintain indie cred ruins music and makes life complicated. Just listen to or play music and be done with it. You should know what you're getting yourself into when you play with someone who is not shy about being on a major label. Pajo was either very naive, or is doing a bang up job at saving face. Starla 04-05-2004, 11:05 PM Oh for christs sake, some of those songs sounded like Machina leftovers. Zwan was doomed from the start. Billy wanted to fashion a band and separate it completely from the pumpkins. Fine. But then he marketed said band on his pumpkins site. Eventually removing pumpkins replacing zwan. He wanted to take along his whole pumpkin fan base and ride on over to zwan, which is bullshit to me. Dont sit in interviews and bitch about how you dont want people yelling....."PLAY 1979!!!" ......Dont sit there and tell us you are doing a separate project where you want pumpkin fans to forget about pumpkins and market it to those particular fans. You can toss your theories around all you want. Zwan has christian undertones....overtones....hell it screams im a flaming happy fairy. Maybe no one felt like being so fucking happy. This country had just gone through 9/11 and on the verge of going to war. It came out at the worst time ever. I wont even go in to why Paz should keep her mouth shut, and never sing. The video for honestly is even horrible. Come on.....running stags and rainbows??? The album is a jesus -new-agey-pop cracker jack flop to me. Aside from a couple songs he should have put on machina. If Billy wants to be a happy little sheeple, fine with me..... I will always see his best works as when he was a pumpkin. Because Iam a fan, because I have paid to be a fan....I have a right to dislike something he is doing. Im sure he will respect that thought. Dead 04-05-2004, 11:40 PM Come With Me is awesome. Should have been a single. jack_kerouac03 04-06-2004, 12:26 AM i am just bummed that we aren't going to see Djali songs. Sure, Bolly is re-doing them, but the magic in the songs came from the whole band. If he isn't going to let the Spun Soundtrack out, at least leak a couple of Djali Soundboards. That and out of the awesome 100+ songs they had to choose from for the record, the only *amazing* song that was put on it is Jesus / Mary. and it clipped. C33 04-06-2004, 12:35 AM Originally posted by zbeast78 ps- i did like mary star of the sea better than machina. :nooooo: Rockin' Cherub 04-06-2004, 05:43 AM Originally posted by Dead Come With Me is awesome. Should have been a single. yes O'Doyle Rules 04-06-2004, 11:44 AM zwan was shitty. hot for auf 04-08-2004, 12:28 AM doesn't matter if it was zwan or a band called B C headache powder somebody would have bitched maybe zwan was called shitty because they were looks like shit, smells like shit, must be shit Dead 04-08-2004, 01:32 AM Originally posted by hot for auf looks like shit, smells like shit, must be shit Hmm... Kinda like your mom. :p hot for auf 04-08-2004, 01:49 AM i'm adopted jack_kerouac03 04-08-2004, 02:09 PM Originally posted by Dead Hmm... Kinda like your adopted mom. :p Dead 04-08-2004, 02:49 PM http://www.emotioneric.com/hamsterpants.jpg Irridescent Fairysex 04-08-2004, 08:03 PM I'm about to emo-laugh i wanna die 04-08-2004, 08:38 PM --According to Some Interview: Zwan intended Album#1 to be Simple-Pop Oriented Material, foreshadowing the supposed wooooow OUTRAGEOUSLY MINDBLOWING material that would eventually follow. This would presumably prevent scaring/boring/turning away a candidate Mainstream Audience from its avant garde ambiguity; they wanted to 'settle everybody in' --What Everybody Expected: Mindblowing Material from the get-go --did everybody bitch:yes --my unwanted 2 cents: album#1 featured some of the best guitar work seen in a long time.. --will anybody read this reply: not likely --clipping homechicago 04-09-2004, 12:31 AM saw them at the hideout and at the metro, and they were so good live i just liked the album. would have liked "riverview" on the album or as a singles release, but whatever. zerozwan 04-09-2004, 01:18 AM Originally posted by Dead Come With Me is awesome. Should have been a single. dude, you know i'm feelin you. AllanElephant 04-11-2004, 01:24 PM I'm a new Pumpkins fan... Does anyone recommend I actually get the Zwan album? I'm interested in hearing it... Dead 04-11-2004, 01:32 PM Originally posted by AllanElephant I'm a new Pumpkins fan... Does anyone recommend I actually get the Zwan album? I'm interested in hearing it... If you're interested in hearing it then get it, I think they're selling it for cheap now. Dead 04-11-2004, 01:33 PM Originally posted by zerozwan dude, you know i'm feelin you. Get off my leg. patrick 04-11-2004, 02:19 PM this thread was a joke the 04-11-2004, 03:04 PM ba ba de boo? robbanarchist 04-11-2004, 09:34 PM zwan was cool. the album was not. if i had just got the album i would say they are shittuy. but if you get all the singles with the b-sides and especially try to find their unplugged/acoustic live concert youll know they kick ass Egadsman 04-11-2004, 10:35 PM Originally posted by patrick this thread was a joke They must have teased the shit out of you as a child. Isle 04-12-2004, 03:16 AM zwan were actually pretty good, just billy's lyrics seemed kindof tacked on and his singing was just too nasal for me to enjoy mostly. also the band didn't really seem to work as a "package", they were really lacking in the presentation stakes. the music was very lush and sweet, but needed more depth. few of the songs really conjure up any pictures if you know what i mean. i think i'll go put msots on now. i wanna die 04-12-2004, 11:22 PM Originally posted by AllanElephant I'Does anyone recommend I actually get the Zwan album? yes..even if u find the album to be mediocre in its entirety, you'll find a few songs--specifically 'honestly' and 'el sol'-- are worth the money alone Axis of Action 04-12-2004, 11:59 PM this has caused me to re-listen to the Zwan album, which I haven't really done for a year. It's not amazing but I guess I do kind of like it. Either way, it'll always be part of my memory of my Freshman year at college, just like MCIS is the summer before 8th grade. AllanElephant 04-20-2004, 09:52 PM Wow, I got the cd, and I guess I'm the minority here, but I love it. I mean, I LOVE it. I'm not sure why, but I do. I'm really surprised... People might bash me for liking it, I'm not sure, but I think it's as good as some of the Smashing Pumpkins cd's. The sound is definately different from the Pumpkins, but I enjoy it. Anyway, I think it's a wonderful cd. ZERO 04-20-2004, 10:37 PM they are gayer than the pumpkins and you combined AllanElephant 04-21-2004, 06:00 AM Originally posted by ZERO they are gayer than the pumpkins and you combined Well, I don't have a problem with gayness, so I guess that works out just fine, doesn't it? Twat 04-21-2004, 07:26 AM The Zwan album was always going to disappoint people because of the hype. I don't mean media hype, but if we're all honest it was exciting listening to bootlegs of every single show, finding out through underground sources what was happenening and where. The o-boarders didn't know about it yet and it felt like an exclusive club that we were cool enough to all know about. Then the Zwan site got a forum and it all went downhill. It was a horrible return to the joke that the Pumpkins had become. For a time though, it was a wonderful feeling and it certainly beat talking about TEH MACHINES MYSTERY!!1 all the time. So then the album came out. Having been used to raw, live recordings it was always going to sound overblown and overproduced (clipping notwithstanding). I guess it was final confirmation that our "secret club" had ceased to be exciting any more and that the songs we'd hoped for would never be recorded. It's not a bad album at all. It may not be to everyone's tastes but it's certainly not bad. I think the problem is that most Netphorians were involved with the whole build up and, genius though he's occasionally known to be, Billy could never live up to what had been promised. If anything we were disappointed through our own desperate fandom. Maybe we ruined it for ourselves? Now there's something to ponder over. |