View Full Version : Go buy Ours - Precious today. $7.99 at Best Buy!


palidor
11-05-2002, 12:53 PM
It's a seriously amazing album :)

Some stores are supposed to carry a bonus dvd. They're listed here:
http://www.dreamworksrecords.com/ours2.net/news/dvd_stores.html

The one closest to me didn't have it, so I just went to Best Buy & got it for $7.99.

I really like the vibe of this album a lot more than Distorted Lullabies.

Mason R Butler
11-05-2002, 01:24 PM
http://www.ninapaley.com/Pg.%206-%20Portfolio/eat_shit.gif

Jesse Miller
11-05-2002, 01:55 PM
Good. I think I need a new copy of The Bends anyways.

Jesse Miller
11-05-2002, 02:03 PM
:D

dishpan
11-05-2002, 02:49 PM
i did buy it, cause of the price, and i am not impressed with it. "leaves" may very well be the best song theyve ever written, but the rest of the album i dont seem to like. i really like their previous album though.

i picked up badly drawn boy - have you fed the fish? today as well (cost twice as much as ours!) and i love it

dishpan

shaniqua
11-05-2002, 05:51 PM
... this post just screams STREET TEAM to me...

palidor
11-05-2002, 09:45 PM
lol, i'm not on their street team.

i think "red colored stars" is probably the best song they've ever done.. it's a very solid album imo

Undone
11-05-2002, 10:33 PM
Originally posted by Graveflower
fixed

<font color="CC33CC">I felt like a sicko punching a baby the last time I listened to Ours. Sick fuck. The liner notes should have read "THX 2 JEFF 4 DYING :D :D :D".</font>

Lie
11-06-2002, 01:06 AM
I wholeheartedly challenge any of you people to go see this band live. Then maybe we can talk.

The Gaddrow
11-06-2002, 07:30 AM
Originally posted by Lie
I wholeheartedly challenge any of you people to go see this band live. Then maybe we can talk. Amen, sista.

Jesse Miller
11-06-2002, 11:48 AM
Originally posted by Lie
I wholeheartedly challenge any of you people to go see this band live. Then maybe we can talk.

How will you reimburse me for my wasted time? The only thing I got when I saw Travis and Remy Zero was bored.

DeviousJ
11-06-2002, 12:39 PM
Originally posted by Jesse Miller
when I saw Travis

Dude, ouch.

Lie
11-06-2002, 06:36 PM
Originally posted by Graveflower
That "see them live" argument is always bullshit. Bad songs remain bad no matter what environment you hear them in.

Mmm, I was half-expecting that. Your mistake is in assuming that I'm even using the traditional "see them live" argument as a method for getting people to like a band. I have no argument with you, Mr. Casey. The rest of this is not directed towards you, but generally toward most of the replies in this thread.

I couldn't care less whether people like this band or not. The reason I said to see them live is because of the Jeff Buckley thing. Jimmy Gnecco is, just physically speaking, a strange, strange man, who often looks and sounds uncannily like Jeff Buckley, both in live performance and in person, and when you see this, it becomes obvious that whatever similarity he bears to the dead man is no doing of his own. He's been getting shit since the first album came out over being a shameless Jeff Buckley ripoff. How easy exactly do you think it is to rip off Jeff Buckley, in terms of voice and stage presence? Ours' actual musical style, while it has evolved since they began as a band, hasn't actually changed much in terms of what they've been trying to do musically since their self-released 1992 album <i>Sour</i>. This was released before Jeff Buckley had even begun his solo career and before Jimmy Gnecco would have even had a chance to have heard of him. Since then the band's sound has improved, their songs have become less epic and simpler in terms of structure, and rhythmically speaking there has been a change which may or may not have been influenced by Jeff Buckley. Is this a sin? If you want to hear a real Jeff Buckley ripoff band download some Citrus, or AwRY (not sure I capitalized the right letters there :(). As far as Ours goes what we're dealing with is a haunting similarity in terms of actual voice and stage presence, which Jimmy Gnecco constantly gets shit for from Buckley fans even though it's the aspect of his musicianship that he can help the least. I've run into plenty of people who have bad things to say about Ours before they've even heard anything by the band simply because they've heard the Jeff Buckley comparison.

The Radiohead thing I simply don't get. Anyone who goes back to that over and over again is obviously not aware that A) plenty of modern rock bands sound something like Radiohead these days, some of this not even being due to direct influence and B) Ours sounds <i>much</i> less like Radiohead than a whole slew of new British rock bands, but seems to get more shit than any of them on Netphoria, very little of which is actual specific, grounded criticism.

As I mentioned before, there are plenty of other bands that are obvious Jeff Buckley ripoffs. Ours isn't one of them. However, because they offer a more haunting <i>real</i> similarity to Jeff Buckley that has very little to do with the actual influence, and maybe from time to time unexpectedly send shivers down the spine of an adament Buckley fan, there's an embarrassment factor there that causes them to be berated on these terms. This doesn't seem fair to me. There is plenty of legitimate criticism to be given, but crying blasphemy because you got a little sensitive is just immature. If you don't like the music you don't like it, you can criticize it on whatever terms you want, but playing the Jeff Buckley/Radiohead card over and over again is old and just dumb at this point.

Undone
11-06-2002, 08:19 PM
<font color="CC33CC">Oh Jesus, why did you have to mention Citrus. *cries and shudders*</font>

Undone
11-06-2002, 08:24 PM
<font color="CC33CC">I say he crops his hair off so he doesn't look like Mr. Buckley so much. Though I don't think Jimmy looks like him unless he blurs videos to make it indistinguishable ;). But I'm sure that was ENTIRELY coincidental. Really. That being said, it's not old or dumb to compare when the comparison is valid. I haven't heard pre-Lullabies Ours b/c I haven't seen any releases that early. And that's their problem for having a release several years after Grace that sounds VERY Gracey (yet not nearly as high quality) and wondering why they get slagged.</font>

Lie
11-06-2002, 10:33 PM
Originally posted by Undone
<font color="CC33CC">I say he crops his hair off so he doesn't look like Mr. Buckley so much. Though I don't think Jimmy looks like him unless he blurs videos to make it indistinguishable ;). But I'm sure that was ENTIRELY coincidental. Really. That being said, it's not old or dumb to compare when the comparison is valid. I haven't heard pre-Lullabies Ours b/c I haven't seen any releases that early. And that's their problem for having a release several years after Grace that sounds VERY Gracey (yet not nearly as high quality) and wondering why they get slagged.</font>

I don't think they wonder why they get slagged. And I think they deal with it in a very gracious manner when it does happen. And no, I don't think it's their problem having a release several years after Grace that happens to be successful and happens to sound like Jeff Buckley. The style that they play in and that Jimmy Gnecco sings in is obviously well-suited to them. What's more, I think it takes guts to come out with that kind of release knowing it's going to get slashed apart from every which direction and knowing that may have been part of the reason they got the record deal in the first place. I wasn't questioning whether the comparison was valid or not, I think it is, I was saying that usually when it is made, it's made in bad taste.

Undone
11-06-2002, 10:48 PM
Originally posted by Lie
I wasn't questioning whether the comparison was valid or not, I think it is, I was saying that usually when it is made, it's made in bad taste.

<font color="CC33CC">Eh, I think their band is in bad taste. A song called "Drowning" doesn't help.</font>

Undone
11-06-2002, 10:50 PM
<font color="CC33CC">But at the VERY least, you no longer believe them to be the same person.

Right? ;)</font>

Lie
11-06-2002, 11:01 PM
Scenario:

Jeff Buckley Fan A stumbles upon a copy of Distorted Lullabies, by complete accident, of course.

JB Fan A: Hmm, this sounds kind of dark, kind of gothy, I dunno...wait, that sounds like Mr. Buckley! Oh my! Oh dear! That sounds so much like the man himself that I'm beginning to wet myself! Whatever shall I do? Oh no, I mean, hey, you know, this guy has quite a voice. And this song isn't bad, I mean, it's making me feel all nostalgic and whatnot, you know. :(

Jeff Buckley Fan A continues to listen to the album, but it makes him uncomfortable. He doesn't know quite what to make of it.

JB Fan A: Well, gee, now that I'm all choked up and confused I don't know what to think. Especially since it's not too long after Mr. Buckley's death, I mean, it seems sort of like sacrilege, you know? And by God it is! No one should sound like Jeff! Aw, I see! He thinks he's going to be the next Jeff Buckley, as if such a thing were even possible! Oh, the nerve! Oooh, it makes me so angry! :mad:

JB Fan B: Hey man, what's up?

JB Fan A: Oh, hey how are you, dude?

JB Fan B: I'm all right. Hey, you look a little worked up? Is everything all right?

JB Fan A: Oh, fine, fine. I'm cool. How about you?

JB Fan B: Oh, I'm good. Hey, have you heard about this band Ours?

JB Fan A: Yeah man, isn't it great? I mean, um, isn't it kinda great in a freaky way? Like, people think this band is so great, and um, they're not! You know?

JB Fan B: Yeah, like the nerve of this guy! He thinks he sounds exactly like Jeff Buckley, and, um, he does! And he thinks that he can get away with it! And he probably thinks he's like so great and everything, and, um, he's not!

JB Fan A: Yeah, plus, the sound is like all mainstream and overproduced and shit. And that band is like all goth and trendy and like, people like them!

JB Fan B: Yeah, they're so ignorant and unsophisticated. Not like us.

JB Fan A: Man, I'm glad I don't like that band, because that would be embarrassing.

JB Fan B: Yeah, man, my face is turning red just thinking about it.

JB Fan A: I mean, what if you happened to be listening to this band and thought for a moment, like you just forgot it was them and thought it was Jeff, I mean, that would be so embarrassing. Umm....I mean, I'm not saying it's ever happened to me, but that would be so fucking embarrassing.

JB Fan B: Yeah. The nerve.

JB Fan A: Who cares if his voice is naturally like that?! He should have his vocal chords cut out and altered to save himself and the rest of us the embarrassment!

JB Fan B: Yeah! No one should ever sound like Jeff!

JB Fan A: Dude, it makes me so upset I just might cry. :(

JB Fan B: But, dude, you never cry! :eek:

JB Fan A: I know, dude, but I was just thinking of that one song where he does that thing like Jeff, you know, that sounds like Jeff, and man, it just makes me so angry!

JB Fan B: Oh, well, you know, I don't know which song you mean, because I haven't heard any of this band's music anyway, but dude, I'm starting to get angry too!

JB Fan A: It's so fucking inhuman! It's like...so unsophisticated!

JB Fan B: And dude, we are sophisticated.

JB Fan A: Of course we are. We listen to Jeff.

JB Fan B: Man, I need to calm down. Let's go listen to Rufus Wainwright's cover of Hallelujah.

JB Fan A: Okay, man. And remember, the Jeff tribute downtown next week, we ain't gonna miss that.

JB Fan B: Oh, no way, dude. Man, I love Rufus.

JB Fan A: Yeah, like he's all jazzy and shit.

JB Fan B: And like, he RESPECTS Jeff. He had enough respect for that man to not be born with a voice like his. Now that's RESPECT.

JB Fan A: I hear you, dude. Loud and clear.

Lie
11-06-2002, 11:02 PM
Originally posted by Undone
<font color="CC33CC">Eh, I think their band is in bad taste. A song called "Drowning" doesn't help.</font>

So they should name the song something different and change their sound to get people off their backs?

Lie
11-06-2002, 11:03 PM
Originally posted by Undone
<font color="CC33CC">But at the VERY least, you no longer believe them to be the same person.

Right? ;)</font>

I fail to see (and I'm dead serious about this) what that has to do with <i>anything</i>.

Jesse Miller
11-07-2002, 12:13 PM
Originally posted by Lie

The Radiohead thing I simply don't get. Anyone who goes back to that over and over again is obviously not aware that A) plenty of modern rock bands sound something like Radiohead these days, some of this not even being due to direct influence and B) Ours sounds <i>much</i> less like Radiohead than a whole slew of new British rock bands, but seems to get more shit than any of them on Netphoria, very little of which is actual specific, grounded criticism.

A) I know, I mock them too.
B) I still enjoy mocking Ours.

Lie
11-07-2002, 04:23 PM
Originally posted by Jesse Miller

A) I know, I mock them too.
B) I still enjoy mocking Ours.

:D

Undone
11-07-2002, 05:52 PM
<font color="CC33CC">THE NAME OF THE SONG IS DROWNING. It's not a style. It's a song name. It is distasteful in context. And your story was cute but eh. I simply don't like them. I think they're disgusting. I don't care if the album was recorded with a 4 track and never produced past that, it has nothing to do with production or what is mainstream.

And you're right about RH; they shouldn't even be mentioned. Everything sounds like the Bends.</font>

Undone
11-07-2002, 05:52 PM
Originally posted by Lie


I fail to see (and I'm dead serious about this) what that has to do with <i>anything</i>.

<font color="CC33CC">You still do believe it! I knew it!!! LOL LOL LOL</font>

Undone
11-07-2002, 05:54 PM
Originally posted by Lie
I don't think they wonder why they get slagged. And I think they deal with it in a very graceous manner when it does happen.

Lie
11-07-2002, 06:00 PM
Originally posted by Undone


<font color="CC33CC">You still do believe it! I knew it!!! LOL LOL LOL</font>

No, actually I don't. But if I did tell you what I really do believe it would completely discredit me in your eyes and other peoples' eyes in more ways than one. This is Netphoria. I'm not stupid.

Lie
11-07-2002, 06:10 PM
Originally posted by Undone
<font color="CC33CC">THE NAME OF THE SONG IS DROWNING. It's not a style. It's a song name. It is distasteful in context. And your story was cute but eh. I simply don't like them. I think they're disgusting. I don't care if the album was recorded with a 4 track and never produced past that, it has nothing to do with production or what is mainstream.

And you're right about RH; they shouldn't even be mentioned. Everything sounds like the Bends.</font>

Disgusting? Don't you think that's taking it a bit too far? No, it's not a musical style, but after meeting the band and hearing them answer questions about exactly how they handled the whole Jeff Buckley thing and what their take on it was, I'm certain it wasn't meant to be offensive, and to me that's all that matters. Furthermore, a band should be able to name their songs whatever they like.

If I'm recalling correctly, your opinion on this subject matter has changed quite a bit just recently. I remember that you liked Ours quite a lot at first. How does music that you once genuinely enjoyed, in any context, go from that to being <i>disgusting</i>?

Like I said several times, I couldn't give a shit whether people like Ours or not, and I myself don't care for their new album much, but I think it's unfortunate that they get a lot of ignorant, mindless (I can't call it criticism) crap thrown their way, that, from Jeff Buckley fans in particular, seems very hostile, very unfounded, and unfairly judgmental.

Lie
11-07-2002, 06:12 PM
Originally posted by Undone
Originally posted by me

Sweetie, you have no idea how often I play these little games with myself and no one is kind enough to notice.

Undone
11-07-2002, 07:17 PM
<font color="CC33CC">If it has anything to do with the transfer of energy or a similar theory, I would be interested in reading it. If it doesn't, heck, I'm still interested. If I make fun of you it's exactly that, in good fun. You're one of the few people whose posts I really like to read on here, and you know I enjoy bashing Ours just like everyone else. You're correct, I did like them at first, but I think it was that initial emotional association thing. I still like a few songs (especially Here is the Light), but the last time I listened to the album I simply felt ill. </font>

Lie
11-07-2002, 07:47 PM
Originally posted by Undone
<font color="CC33CC">If it has anything to do with the transfer of energy or a similar theory, I would be interested in reading it. If it doesn't, heck, I'm still interested. If I make fun of you it's exactly that, in good fun. You're one of the few people whose posts I really like to read on here, and you know I enjoy bashing Ours just like everyone else. You're correct, I did like them at first, but I think it was that initial emotional association thing. I still like a few songs (especially Here is the Light), but the last time I listened to the album I simply felt ill. </font>

I guess my problem with the whole thing is that you said you "simply didn't like t**** or something like that, which to me, means that you just didn't like them musically. Which obviously is fine. But on the other hand, you keep talking about how the music makes you ill and I felt like the whole "2JEFFTHNX4DYING" thing was completely uncalled for. I mean, it's like, you can either not like them, or be offended by them, or both, by why exactly do you find it offensive?

As you know, I'm a huge Jeff fan and respect him both personally and musically. And from what I've noticed of Jimmy Gnecco in interviews and upon meeting him personally, he has the same sort of respect for Jeff. Not any kind of reverence, not some sort of sick obsession, and in fact there are several musicians that he considers much stronger influences than Jeff, like Marvin Gaye, PJ Harvey, U2, and others. Musically, I don't think Ours is all that similar to Jeff. Vocally, the similarity is very obvious, but he can't help that. Having that voice is sort of a blessing and a curse at the same time, and he's aware of it and I would even go so far as to say that he's not exactly proud of it, but wants to do what is best suited to him musically, and not shortchange himself or the band just to keep from upsetting people. He did, say, though, that Jeff's death affected him a lot emotionally and that some of the songs on Distorted Lullabies were written for him...which is something he didn't come out with right away, probably because he was afraid people would hear his voice and then what he said about Jeff, put two and two together and say that = SICKO.

I feel bad for him. He's in a bad place. His relationship with Jeff was more personal than professional, and yet he has this uncanny similarity to him in terms of voice. And he's aware of it, which is why I think he's so cautious in interviews. He never said anything specifically about "Drowning," but if it was an allusion to Jeff, it was nothing more than him writing a song from the pespective of a friend who died...and possibly "drowning" was meant as a metaphor that applied to his own life as well. People do that all the time and there's nothing sick or offensive about it. He's not trying to BE Jeff. In fact, he'd probably like to be free of that more than anything, which is part of the reason, I think, why this new album has taken on so much more of a different direction. The other influences and basic rock n' roll vibe that was always there is more apparant on this album, but it's easy to hear that it was there on Distorted Lullabies, but just not as obviously.

In other words, if listening to the album makes you feel sick because it seems like Jimmy is trying to pose as Jeff, I can assure you that there's no reason to. If it's just the actual similarity that makes you feel that way, I can understand, but it's still no reason to call the band disgusting. I think they're honestly (and I'm going to get so much shit for this) one of the best live bands I've ever seen. They take requests, even for covers of songs they've never played before, they're extremely good to their fans, they're just nice people in general, and you can tell that they have a genuine love of good music.

I have no problem with people making fun of Ours, and understand why they do, but to call them sick and digusting seems particularly judgmental to me, especially when that's not the kind of voice that anyone could just foster in themselves through practice.

As for what I believe about the whole thing, it's too much to really explain here, but I'll tell you about it sometime if you like. It's sort of like a transference of energy thing, yeah, though not exactly.

Lie
11-07-2002, 09:01 PM
Originally posted by Graveflower
You're being really insensitive to those with short attention spans

And for that I'm truly sorry.

*pats you on the head*

Undone
11-07-2002, 09:26 PM
<font color="CC33CC">Ah, now you're making me feel guilty. Thanks for the insight. I never had the urge to read interviews with Jimmy, and I didn't know he had any link to Jeff at all. Or maybe I did at one point and promptly shoved it down my usual mental garbage disposal. Musically, I think the band is very talented, and Jimmy does have a lovely voice. When he is singing lower, he sounds more like Manson than Jeff; quite a crazy difference to me. Some of the songwriting can be improved upon. So coming from a perspective of hearing the album and not having any other reference, it did seem sorta messed up that he was taking on a resurrection role. When maybe it wasn't intentional. I don't know. Maybe I'll shift down my view to "agnostic" on this one. Gah. But I saw this photo that was SO much like the JEFF RECLINED SEXILY ON COUCH picture, and that subtle thing made it even worse. So while I could feel sorry for him for accidentally being a certain way, I think Jimmy perpetuates it a little. </font>

Lie
11-07-2002, 09:46 PM
Originally posted by Undone
<font color="CC33CC">Ah, now you're making me feel guilty. Thanks for the insight. I never had the urge to read interviews with Jimmy, and I didn't know he had any link to Jeff at all. Or maybe I did at one point and promptly shoved it down my usual mental garbage disposal. Musically, I think the band is very talented, and Jimmy does have a lovely voice. When he is singing lower, he sounds more like Manson than Jeff; quite a crazy difference to me. Some of the songwriting can be improved upon. So coming from a perspective of hearing the album and not having any other reference, it did seem sorta messed up that he was taking on a resurrection role. When maybe it wasn't intentional. I don't know. Maybe I'll shift down my view to "agnostic" on this one. Gah. But I saw this photo that was SO much like the JEFF RECLINED SEXILY ON COUCH picture, and that subtle thing made it even worse. So while I could feel sorry for him for accidentally being a certain way, I think Jimmy perpetuates it a little. </font>

I think he does too, but I think maybe if you saw the man in person you'd understand more exactly how much he can't help it. Just the way he's built is uncanny. It's not as if he looks that much like Jeff in terms of physique; he looks a lot weirder, but his body seems built especially to cause him to make certain idiosyncratic gestures, many of them which are very Jeff-like. And I think the record company and the media are much guiltier of making the connection to Jeff than he is. After all, it's a good way to sell records and get attention. I'm sure he does play it up a little, but not in an audacious or disrespectful manner, and he probably knows that part of the reason he got the record deal in the first place was because of his voice. Jeff Buckley himself was "discovered" partially because of his connection to his father, and as much as he vehemently denied it, he played that up to his advantage too. He wouldn't have gotten the advance on Grace that he did or total creative control if he had just been some musician off the street. Everyone has to turn the screws a little bit if they get the chance. No one is completely innocent in that respect.

And interestingly enough, I think I know the picture you're talking about, and I probably shouldn't know this much, but I do, and all those pictures of him actually posing were taken when the band had just gotten a record deal, or there was talk of a record deal, and at the time he was asked to model for some photos (I'm not sure if they were promo shots or exactly what they were for), but he was broke at the time and they paid him for it, so I'm sure they told him exactly how to pose and stand, etc., and were already playing off the whole Jeff thing. I've also seen random pics of him in which he looks very much like Bono and Perry Ferrall, so maybe he just has one of those faces.

Lie
11-07-2002, 10:19 PM
Here's part of an interview he did. The site is one of those where you can't link directly, but you can find the full thing under "press."

http://come.to/thispassionofours

"You mentioned Jeff Buckley. Are you ready for the comparisons? Plus, you did have an association with him."

"Yeah, I talk about that a lot. (Sighs) I will say this. We started this thing so long ago. You know, this is the way that I sing. I can play you tapes from that time, and you'll see.

Jeff and I as singers had the same influences. I think what I liked the most about Jeff were the things that he brought out were basically the same things as my original influences.

He did his own thing, but you can't fake what that is. That's why I fell in love with Jeff. He became a close friend. I was influenced by him as well to an extent. But we were also influenced by K.D. Lang, Freddy Mercury, Elvis, Ray Orbison, it just goes on.

Part of the problem is that unfortunately right now nobody wants to step up and sing anymore. So when an in-depth singer comes along who really likes to put it all on the line, it's easy to compare him to someone else because there are so few of us.

You've got Thom Yorke, Bono, PJ Harvey, and Chris Cornell. There's a few others, but no one really wants to write great songs and sing in key anymore.

The times are gone, sometimes I think, where you can do something really pretty and then really explosive. Jeff was really good at that.

I'm going to clear something up that has turned into this big old rumor that follows me around. Like I said, Jeff and I became friends, and one night he was running late to a show. He asked me to take his guitar in a cab to a show for him. Somewhere it started getting around that I was his roadie. How ridiculous is that? I took a guitar to one show one time for the guy. I don't know...I guess I just try and write good songs."

Lie
11-07-2002, 10:48 PM
Originally posted by Graveflower


does not compute.

Haha.

Jimmy Gnecco
11-07-2002, 11:20 PM
Why didn't you people tell me there was a party?

Undone
11-08-2002, 06:43 PM
Originally posted by Jimmy Gnecco
Why didn't you people tell me there was a party?

:eek: :p