View Full Version : how long to learn for pumpkins (guitarwise)


severin
03-08-2002, 11:18 AM
hi!

what do you think, how long will it take me to be able to play the easiest (whichever that is) pumpkins song? i touched a guitar (for actually learning to play) the first time a week ago...give me a rough estimation. and any tips/hints/tricks on guitar playing (early stages) are highly appreciated. btw..i'm learning on an acoustic.

JoaoMiguel
03-08-2002, 11:22 AM
"Where boys fear to tread"
Any person with a least sense of rhythm can play it in 5 minutes.

When you are done with that, try the "Today" intro.

When you are feeling more confortable, try "Zero" (doing the harmonics).

Then you can skip to "Geek USA"! (mwhahahah, NOT!) http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/tongue.gif

severin
03-08-2002, 11:39 AM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by JoaoMiguel:

Any person with a least sense of rhythm can play it in 5 minutes.
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uh oh...i see a problem there http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/wink.gif

thanks for the answer



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Jaggie
03-08-2002, 12:57 PM
Disarm is very easy as is the intro to Today.

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Smiley
03-08-2002, 01:53 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by JoaoMiguel:
"Where boys fear to tread"
Any person with a least sense of rhythm can play it in 5 minutes.</font>

I think you're forgetting that for someone who has never picked up a guitar before, it can be tricky to play that fast. Especially acoustic.

I'd recommend TAFH... it's a very easy riff, and yet it's recognizable and fun to just keep playing nonstop.

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JoaoMiguel
03-08-2002, 02:32 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Smiley:
I think you're forgetting that for someone who has never picked up a guitar before, it can be tricky to play that fast. Especially acoustic.
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Nah... The trick is to start playing right but in 'slow motion', then you will eventually get pratice and next thing you know, you are playing it and not even looking at your hand http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/wink.gif
I remember my days learning the intro to "Sweet Child O'Mine", like a decade ago, it was like that http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/biggrin.gif

<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Smiley:

I'd recommend TAFH... it's a very easy riff, and yet it's recognizable and fun to just keep playing nonstop.
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Nah... they wouldn't know to tune the guitar in drop D http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/tongue.gif

hereisnowhy
03-08-2002, 03:07 PM
I certainly found that after playing for a while I would tend to forget how difficult things were at first. If I were you I'd take some beginner lessons for two or three months to get the basics, and by the end of that you'll be able to follow some of the easier guitar tabs for pumpkins songs that you can find on the internet.
Don't expect a miracle, but if you enjoy practicing/messing around then you'll be happy with your progress.

First step is to learn your basic chords, and learn how to do barre/power chords.

Jaggie
03-08-2002, 03:41 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by hereisnowhy:
First step is to learn your basic chords, and learn how to do barre/power chords.</font>

That's your best bet.

severin
03-08-2002, 04:35 PM
thanks for the help...

so i should try one chord after another...shall i go for chord-switching at the start, or shall i wait with that?

ModernCheeze
03-08-2002, 04:48 PM
The first song I learned on the guitar was Jupiter's Lament. Slow enough to be easy, with few enough chords to remember.
Its also a good song to learn because it contains a G to C transition, and I found transitioning to C was the hardest chord change when I first started playing.

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hereisnowhy
03-08-2002, 06:52 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by severin:
thanks for the help...

so i should try one chord after another...shall i go for chord-switching at the start, or shall i wait with that?</font>

Try a slow strumming pattern where you do four beats of each chord. For example, four beats of D, then A, then C, then G. (which you might recognize... http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/wink.gif) <font color="black">

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NegaBenji
03-08-2002, 08:28 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by JoaoMiguel:
"Where boys fear to tread"
Any person with a least sense of rhythm can play it in 5 minutes.

When you are done with that, try the "Today" intro.

When you are feeling more confortable, try "Zero" (doing the harmonics).

Then you can skip to "Geek USA"! (mwhahahah, NOT!) http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/tongue.gif</font>

Uhh no - you're saying 5 minutes after picking a guitar up for the first time someone is going to be able to play a line on 2 strings? On an acoustic? This reminds me of when people say 'oh Today is the easiest song to start playing,' totally forgetting what a bitch bar chords were to fret at first.

How long it will take you depends on your natural talent and how much you put into it. You'll probably be able to pull off some recognisable renditions of acoustic songs like Disarm within a day or 2, but it will be a while before everything's smooth and fluid - but that's part of the fun of playing, the way you constantly improve. If you're going acoustic then have a look on the net for a tutorial site with shows you the basic open chords, practice those and you'll be able to play a lot of songs. If you get an electric, then learn how to do a power chord http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/wink.gif

Mooney
03-08-2002, 10:43 PM
yeah, i just started playing guitar on acoustic last year. first song i learned was disarm. mind you it was all down strokes and was pretty poor. heh. i would say start buy learning you open chords, and try playing some songs that is just simply switching between the chords. you wont be able to switch fast enough at first but just keep practicing and it will come.
barre chords are a ways off.

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Mooney
03-08-2002, 10:48 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by hereisnowhy:
For example, four beats of D, then A, then C, then G. (which you might recognize... http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/wink.gif) <font color="black">
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CHERUB ROCK! my favourite song to play acoustic!



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Smiley
03-09-2002, 12:01 AM
I just remembered... Galapogos was one of the first songs I learned. It's good because it has a mix of picking and strumming. There are a few tricky parts in it though, which I'd recommend skipping for now... but the verse and chorus are great to learn on! Cherry is good too.

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Mustard
03-09-2002, 01:33 AM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Mooney:
yeah, i just started playing guitar on acoustic last year. first song i learned was disarm. mind you it was all down strokes and was pretty poor.

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for the most part, it's played with all downstrokes.



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severin
03-09-2002, 07:05 AM
thanks for all the tips....it seems it's gonna take me a while until i'll be able to play something recogniceable in a smooth way...i'm now gonna go on a search for sites with beginners lessons

wangcomputers
03-09-2002, 09:22 AM
i'm kind of currently teaching one of my flatmates..

it's no easy task.
only after 3 months is he finally able to change from G-D-A, and still with no consistency.

but i would emphasise how much natural talent/rhythm influences your progress.
my flatmate can't strum to save his life, whereas I picked it up very fast.
(all those years of fapping paid off)

but then again, i am living with retards.

Suck Smile
03-09-2002, 09:53 AM
opening chords to Muzzle are pretty easy.

Aeroplane
03-09-2002, 01:36 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Suck Smile:opening chords to Muzzle are pretty easy.</font>
Uh, too complicated of a tuning. Should start with basic tuning. To learn barr chords when you're on the electric, Ugly is a fun song to play. The first half of Starla is pretty fun when learning how to use a pick and controlling it, but forget the latter half. Cherub Rock IS a good song to learn chord transitions. So is Rocket. Again, leaving out the complicated picking and such.

Aeroplane
03-09-2002, 01:37 PM
correction on above in regards to Ugly. Those are power chords. http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/smile.gif

Rens
03-09-2002, 02:50 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Aeroplane:
correction on above in regards to Ugly. Those are power chords. http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/smile.gif</font>

And non-standard tuning http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/smile.gif
But you can play it in standard tuning too, yes http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/biggrin.gif

Injektilo
03-10-2002, 01:05 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Smiley:
I just remembered... Galapogos was one of the first songs I learned. It's good because it has a mix of picking and strumming. There are a few tricky parts in it though, which I'd recommend skipping for now... but the verse and chorus are great to learn on! Cherry is good too.

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yeah, galapogos was one the first ones I learned too, its really good cause it sounds really close to the actual album, so its encouraging to keep playing.

SmashingZeppelins
03-12-2002, 08:09 AM
I think the easiest song I know is Cash Car Star, just drop tune to D and Let'er Rip!

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NegaBenji
03-12-2002, 11:12 AM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by SmashingZeppelins:
I think the easiest song I know is Cash Car Star, just drop tune to D and Let'er Rip!

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yeah, not like there are any easier drop D songs like TAFH or anything

In-Valid
03-13-2002, 08:44 PM
well if you want to play Smashing Pumpkins songs right away you can always cheat yourself out of actually learning to play the guitar & buy a Guitar Tablature books of the various SP CD's.

REALLY EASY SP SONGS
* Disarm
* Daydream
* Mayonaise
* Spaceboy
* Today
* Landslide (ok so it's not really an SP song but it sounds great on acoustic)

Try some of the above to get your confidence going & then do like the Jeffersons & keep movin' on up.

scouse_dave
03-15-2002, 02:58 PM
yes

all the songs that have been mentioned here are easy...you should be able to play billy's hardest solos within a day or so http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/rolleyes.gif

WTF are you people talking about?

seriously, you may find playing guitar harder than you think. i wouldn't even look at songs at first, just learn basic chord positions (D, G, Em, C etc), which you will find on the net or from a beginner's guitar book. Practice switching from position to position, trying to make the transistion as smooth as possible.

hereisnowhy
03-15-2002, 03:06 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by scouse_dave:
yes

all the songs that have been mentioned here are easy...you should be able to play billy's hardest solos within a day or so http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/rolleyes.gif

WTF are you people talking about?

seriously, you may find playing guitar harder than you think. i wouldn't even look at songs at first, just learn basic chord positions (D, G, Em, C etc), which you will find on the net or from a beginner's guitar book. Practice switching from position to position, trying to make the transistion as smooth as possible.</font>

Exactly. Anyone who thinks a beginner will be playing any song well after one day is forgetting what it is to be a beginner.

severin
03-15-2002, 03:14 PM
thanks everyone..i am now learning the chords and trying chord transitions..i think i'll wait a bit with the pumpkins songs...i mean, i have time and the patience (i hope).

NegaBenji
03-15-2002, 09:43 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by In-Valid:
REALLY EASY SP SONGS
* Landslide </font>

Hahahaha

Ensoul
08-03-2002, 03:22 PM
I found Landslide diffucult.

Try Aeroplane Flies High.

DeviousJ
08-03-2002, 05:47 PM
Wow, this thread is old enough.
I think it's time for an update, acoustic boy.

andysong
08-03-2002, 08:07 PM
the picking in tonight is pretty easy, seeing as though half of it is picking open strings, i wouldn't get into the chords of it yet though.
If i was you i would start with some chords first, some fingering exercises would help also, here some links:
-http://www.supersonic.net/guitar/chords.htm
-http://www.supersonic.net/guitar/lessons.htm
The first is a list of chords, the site teaches you how to read them, learn G, C, E and D...once you can handle them you should be ready for some bar-chords eg. F.
Second link is just some basic lessons.
good luck.

Ganymede33
08-03-2002, 10:36 PM
I believe Today would be the best bet.

Today was the first song I learned, then 1979.

Wait awhile before Geek U.S.A. It's been a awhile, and I learned it about three weeks ago.

DeviousJ
08-03-2002, 10:52 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by Ganymede33:
I believe Today would be the best bet.

Today was the first song I learned, then 1979.

Wait awhile before Geek U.S.A. It's been a awhile, and I learned it about three weeks ago.</font>

No no NO. Bar chords are not for beginners

severin
08-04-2002, 02:25 AM
jesus, how got that thread dug up?

wounded
08-04-2002, 09:44 AM
come on people tonite tonite reprise is by far the easiest

JoaoMiguel
08-04-2002, 11:25 AM
Wow, didn't remember replying to this message http://www.netphoria.org/wwwboard/tongue.gif

Injektilo
08-04-2002, 01:12 PM
Ok, the easiest SP song (or element of an sp song) is the beginning riff of East... your fingers never move from the same strings untill the barre chords.
No, wait.... Egg is the easiest, there your fingers stay on the same strings for pretty much the intire song.

the_marked
08-04-2002, 09:16 PM
<font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Originally posted by In-Valid:
[B]
* Mayonaise
* Landslide [B]</font>

um...
i think he asked for easy songs....
i can play these songs, but i wasn't able to play them until almost a year after playing guitar...i still dont even know some of mayonnaise....some of the chords are easy, but there are some crazy parts

try:
today
disarm
where boys fear to tread
i am one (intro, verses)
the aeroplane flies high
spaceboy
sweet sweet
ava adore

O'Doyle Rules
08-06-2002, 01:33 PM
the intro to porcelina
spaced