View Full Version : Watching Billy play guitar in vieuphoria....


Injektilo
08-16-2003, 02:03 AM
makes me wonder why I even bother looking at my guitar. He pure skill at playing guitar is something we should all be appreciating.

Thoughtless
08-16-2003, 02:07 AM
his style is actually really improvisational (is that a word? heh), find out the scales and key changes of songs, get good at vibratoing, bending, pinch harmonics, legato, etc, and you can rip him off pretty well. it's quite fun. i'm not saying it's easy, but it may not be as hard as you think. he's definantely got really strong hands (part of that probably has to do with him being left handed, and playing guitar right handed, using his stronger hand for the tougher fretting work). as a writer, he's great, both in guitar and lyrics. he's definantely great at making key changes fit in well with song structures, and not just doing it for the sake of something different.

tristessa
08-16-2003, 03:42 AM
hell yes. his playing is phenominal. those i am one solos are from another cosmic world. yes, it is something we should all be appreciating. his solos are fucking explosive. quiet. his clean work on soma. beautiful. he is so intricate and yet he can also be so vicious. billy can play like no other. his hands just look so damn good playing a guitar.

Porcelina Ruby
08-16-2003, 05:00 AM
the solo's are good, very nice, especially for a alt rock band, but it isn't the best u get...

ZackZ
08-16-2003, 05:01 AM
His technique is utterly putrid. If anyone models their style after his, they are surely down the road to dispair. Billy Corgan is not one to be emulated based on pure technique. It's quite frankly a poor display of skill.

If you want to be GREAT at guitar, look at Al DiMeola, John McLaughlin, those guys are GOOD.

I'll listens to Corgan's music any day over those guys, but Corgan's guitar playing is about one tenth of one percent at the level of them.

Ann Ominous
08-16-2003, 09:51 AM
belly iz c00l

paranoid
08-16-2003, 12:40 PM
Originally posted by ZackZ
His technique is utterly putrid. If anyone models their style after his, they are surely down the road to dispair. Billy Corgan is not one to be emulated based on pure technique. It's quite frankly a poor display of skill.

If you want to be GREAT at guitar, look at Al DiMeola, John McLaughlin, those guys are GOOD.

I'll listens to Corgan's music any day over those guys, but Corgan's guitar playing is about one tenth of one percent at the level of them.


Well so far Billy has had a better career than you.

Injektilo
08-16-2003, 12:51 PM
Originally posted by ZackZ


If you want to be GREAT at guitar, look at Al DiMeola, John McLaughlin, those guys are GOOD.

I'll listens to Corgan's music any day over those guys, but Corgan's guitar playing is about one tenth of one percent at the level of them.

i'm well aware that corgan isn't the greatest technical guitarist out there. My appreciation was for his ability to write amazing songs that work well with his skills on the guitar. i could give a fuck about those other guys you mentioned because i'm betting corgans worst song is still 10X better than any of theirs, regardless of what technical skills either have.

paranoid
08-16-2003, 12:59 PM
On top of that Billy plays that Bury Me solo better than you.

What exactly are you trying to prove with all of these posts? All you're proving is that you have different taste in music, and that you're wasting TONS of time making your points here.

Who wants to be remembered for playing great guitar on a shitty song?

Johnny_Swallow
08-16-2003, 01:05 PM
Originally posted by paranoid
Who wants to be remembered for playing great guitar on a shitty song?

http://goodworld.chodrum.com.pl/vai/vairys1.jpg

wangcomputers
08-16-2003, 01:42 PM
Originally posted by ZackZ
His technique is utterly putrid. If anyone models their style after his, they are surely down the road to dispair. Billy Corgan is not one to be emulated based on pure technique. It's quite frankly a poor display of skill.

If you want to be GREAT at guitar, look at Al DiMeola, John McLaughlin, those guys are GOOD.

I'll listens to Corgan's music any day over those guys, but Corgan's guitar playing is about one tenth of one percent at the level of them.

it's all about intent.. if widdling and tapping at an alarming speed will help you acheive the right feel and emotion into your song, then I'm sure it's useful. But for the most part what you see as being technically impressive is usually just guitar wank for the sole purpose of flexing your muscles and has ulimately no real relevance to how 'good' a musician is.

Thoughtless
08-16-2003, 07:08 PM
Originally posted by ZackZ
His technique is utterly putrid. If anyone models their style after his, they are surely down the road to dispair. Billy Corgan is not one to be emulated based on pure technique. It's quite frankly a poor display of skill.

If you want to be GREAT at guitar, look at Al DiMeola, John McLaughlin, those guys are GOOD.

I'll listens to Corgan's music any day over those guys, but Corgan's guitar playing is about one tenth of one percent at the level of them.

song>technique

b0lly doesn't need to write virtuoso epic instrumentals, get over it.

bonsor
08-16-2003, 07:42 PM
billy has an excellent, easily regonizable style. his lead solos can get very trite, and after watching and listening to and studying countless live performances you'll see what i mean. he has a very small trickbag, but he doesn't put the same wailing guitar solo into every song he writes, and he doesn't need to because he is a fucking amazing songwriter and he uses his bag o tricks very appropriately.

tonite2nite
08-16-2003, 08:43 PM
I think Billy is one of the greatest guitar players of the 90's but that's me he doesn't need to be compared to other people ah just fuck it He Rules

poopshipdestroy
08-17-2003, 12:17 PM
His technique is utterly putrid. If anyone models their style after his, they are surely down the road to dispair.

l0l

Slurpee
08-17-2003, 12:41 PM
Originally posted by ZackZ
want to be GREAT at guitar, look at Al DiMeola, John McLaughlin, those guys are GOOD.

The name dropping just gets better and better. Your ability to recall who someone else has told you is a good guitarist already makes you better than Billy Corgan!

In-Valid
08-17-2003, 12:47 PM
Originally posted by paranoid
On top of that Billy plays that Bury Me solo better than you.


DeviousJ's response is perfect. Repeat & Rinse.

http://forums.netphoria.org/showthread.php?threadid=30250&perpage=35&pagenumber=2

Nidhogg
08-17-2003, 02:54 PM
I also enjoy watching the closing solo on the Untitled video.

ZackZ
08-17-2003, 04:56 PM
Originally posted by Injektilo
makes me wonder why I even bother looking at my guitar. He pure skill at playing guitar is something we should all be appreciating.

I was just posting in response to what YOU WROTE. Can you not even read your own posts? "his pure skill at PLAYING GUITAR".

Playing guitar is a PHYSICAL ACT OF SKILL.

I fucking said I liked Corgan's music more than DiMeola's.For the record, Al DiMeola doesn't fucking do tapping, or sweep picking or legato. He is on another level. There isn't a guitarist on the planet that can play as good as him, and there are an extreme few that can match his knowledge of guitar.

So let's get this straight.
1.) Al DiMeola is at a skill level so far above Corgan that it is incomprehensible by the human mind.
2.) Al DiMeola knows more about music theory than most any guitarist, including Corgan.
3.) Despite the FACTS stated above, I prefer to listen to Corgan's music more often than Al DiMeola's.

paranoid
08-17-2003, 05:21 PM
Originally posted by ZackZ



Playing guitar is a PHYSICAL ACT OF SKILL.



It's a hell of a lot more than that. Having technique is an absolute, but is not the MOST important aspect of the instrument.

paranoid
08-17-2003, 05:25 PM
I just find it weird that you have these strong feelinga about this style of guitar playing and post on this board. It's like you were on your way to a shredder's fan club and totally lost your way. Pumpkins are obviously not VIRTUOSO guitar players, and we all know that. So to have you come in here and say the obvious over and over and over again to make everyone feel like an idiot is always humorous to me.

CORGAN is no Al Dimelo, but he has fans and his playing skills are respectable. He has a sound that is easily identifiable to him, which in my opinion is a VERY hard feat to accomplish.


Are you a troll?

Bedroom Eye
08-17-2003, 06:21 PM
your idea that al di meola is so amazing is simply based on the fact that he can play 3 octave scale runs faster than just about anybody you could hear. I enjoy his music (ever hear Friday Night in San Francisco), as well as other "Virtuoso" guitar players, but sometimes it just comes off pointless. the man can play fast, but what about the beauty of simplisity. I haven't heard his whole catalogue, but from what I know from personal experience and word of mouth, simple is not in his vocabulary of guitar playing. I always like to think of miles davis as a good idea of ideas over skill. he wasn't the greatest trumpet player that ever lived, but he had the best mind for music of anyone around.

scouse_dave
08-17-2003, 06:48 PM
personally, i'm not impressed by Corgan's playing, either technically or stylistically. he does nothing for me.

Slurpee
08-17-2003, 08:08 PM
Originally posted by scouse_dave
personally, i'm not impressed by Corgan's playing, either technically or stylistically. he does nothing for me.

Yeah, but you're pretty much in the same obnoxious boat Zack is.

Slurpee
08-17-2003, 08:09 PM
Originally posted by ZackZ


1.) Al DiMeola is at a skill level so far above Corgan that it is incomprehensible by the human mind.


So, if your "human mind" is not able to comprehend DiMeola's skill level, how can you accurately quantify it in order to compare it to Corgan's?

:p

Ann Ominous
08-17-2003, 08:44 PM
emperor's new clothes.

ZackZ
08-18-2003, 02:47 AM
Originally posted by Bedroom Eye
your idea that al di meola is so amazing is simply based on the fact that he can play 3 octave scale runs faster than just about anybody you could hear. I enjoy his music (ever hear Friday Night in San Francisco), as well as other "Virtuoso" guitar players, but sometimes it just comes off pointless. the man can play fast, but what about the beauty of simplisity. I haven't heard his whole catalogue, but from what I know from personal experience and word of mouth, simple is not in his vocabulary of guitar playing. I always like to think of miles davis as a good idea of ideas over skill. he wasn't the greatest trumpet player that ever lived, but he had the best mind for music of anyone around.

I own:
Friday Night in San Francisco
Elegant Gypsy
Land of the Midnight Sun
Casino
Splendido Hotel
World Sinfonia

His newest album, Flesh on Flesh is not nearly as "virtuoustic" as his previous, but his guest spots on Derek Sherinian's newest solo album is about as good as he's played on electric in 20 years.

In instrumental music, fast solos build intensity. Same with classical music. When is the last time you heard a violinist play a shitty White Stripes-esque solo. Fucking never.

netphoria sucks
08-18-2003, 02:20 PM
Al DiMeola doesn't fucking do tapping, or sweep picking or legato. He is on another level. There isn't a guitarist on the planet that can play as good as him, and there are an extreme few that can match his knowledge of guitar.



1. What Guitar World advertisement is this quote from? Get over Al DiMeola and check out a real guitarist like Dimebag Darrell.

2. Nice pick of Vai on the heart guitar.

3. Thread closed.

4. Bring on the Photoshop pics and "Your Mom" comments!

tristessa
08-18-2003, 02:37 PM
whats all this bs about corgan not having any technique? he can ring out AH (artificial harmonics) like a motherfucker, play sweeps and fast runs like during the gish days, he can do a lot, he can even tap as he showcased with zwan during their early days. just cause he doesnt show off all the time doesnt mean he cant. he uses his technique excelently. if you listen to the starla and porcelina solos from the last united center concert he mixes in AH with gradual screaming bends and fast runs like a motherfucker. his technique is very precise. he has such a fine touch and feel. listen to the ava adore interlude solo section from the united center final concert. he has such a fine touch. and those AH on a clean electric guitar on the mayonaise intro are beautiful. if all you care about is watching/hearing billy showcase his skill check out the hexen clip and listen to the gish demos. he can do it, theres no doubt. he just doesnt chose to all the time cause there is more to him to give to people on stage than a guy who sits and does nothing but practicing shredding. what he does show is incredible none the less. i doubt any of you could play solos like he did on veuphoria and on albums with as much potency as he does.

cap'n jazz
08-18-2003, 02:38 PM
Seriously guys, Al DiMeola palm mutes everything, it's crazy.

tristessa
08-18-2003, 02:49 PM
Originally posted by paranoid
I just find it weird that you have these strong feelinga about this style of guitar playing and post on this board. It's like you were on your way to a shredder's fan club and totally lost your way. Pumpkins are obviously not VIRTUOSO guitar players, and we all know that. So to have you come in here and say the obvious over and over and over again to make everyone feel like an idiot is always humorous to me.

CORGAN is no Al Dimelo, but he has fans and his playing skills are respectable. He has a sound that is easily identifiable to him, which in my opinion is a VERY hard feat to accomplish.


Are you a troll?

well said

eel_86
08-18-2003, 04:18 PM
Originally posted by tristessa
whats all this bs about corgan not having any technique? he can ring out AH (artificial harmonics) like a motherfucker, play sweeps and fast runs like during the gish days, he can do a lot, he can even tap as he showcased with zwan during their early days. just cause he doesnt show off all the time doesnt mean he cant. he uses his technique excelently. if you listen to the starla and porcelina solos from the last united center concert he mixes in AH with gradual screaming bends and fast runs like a motherfucker. his technique is very precise. he has such a fine touch and feel. listen to the ava adore interlude solo section from the united center final concert. he has such a fine touch. and those AH on a clean electric guitar on the mayonaise intro are beautiful. if all you care about is watching/hearing billy showcase his skill check out the hexen clip and listen to the gish demos. he can do it, theres no doubt. he just doesnt chose to all the time cause there is more to him to give to people on stage than a guy who sits and does nothing but practicing shredding. what he does show is incredible none the less. i doubt any of you could play solos like he did on veuphoria and on albums with as much potency as he does.


I think this is only my second post on this board, so no one has to respect my opinion too much, but from my limited knowlege of guitar, I'd say I agree completely with tristessa. Over on the radiohead board I go to a lot people often cite billy as an example of a pretty good technical player, so I'm surprised anyone can say he lacks technical ability. Fuciante (sp?) of the chilli peppers has no technical ability. Kurt Cobain had no technical ability. Compared to most mainstream guitar players Billy's nothing short of a god technically.

scouse_dave
08-18-2003, 06:06 PM
Originally posted by Slurpee
Yeah, but you're pretty much in the same obnoxious boat Zack is. care to back up your vacuous statement with some sort of argument?

nah...it's best to just spout shite isn't it...noone reads it anyway.

Slurpee
08-18-2003, 07:41 PM
Originally posted by scouse_dave
noone reads it anyway.

Except you just did.

scouse_dave
08-18-2003, 07:45 PM
Originally posted by Slurpee
Except you just did. sarcasm is clearly above your head.

Slurpee
08-18-2003, 07:47 PM
Originally posted by scouse_dave
sarcasm is clearly above your head.

If it's above my head, it must be in orbit over yours.