Enlighten me.

Fuck. You're right. Thanks, you just ruined the band for me asshole.

The singer from Tool is bald, though, unlike the singer from APC.

Tool rocks much harder.

Originally posted by Salem
Fuck. You're right. Thanks, you just ruined the band for me asshole.

You asked, asshole.

Completely generic pseudo-intelligent Tool-esque rock. I think the question is what's not to like about APC if you like Tool. I loathe tool.

Originally posted by The Ace of Aces
Completely generic pseudo-intelligent Tool-esque rock. I think the question is what's not to like about APC if you like Tool. I loathe tool.

ok. APC is nothing like tool. at all.

this weak and powerless single is just that, weak and powerless. i really hope the rest of the album is much better.

Originally posted by El Savior


ok. APC is nothing like tool. at all.

amen to that, i'm a big tool fan, but in mer de noms I can only stand magdalena.

APC is a lot more like Tool than most other bands.

Originally posted by sawdust restaurants
APC is a lot more like Tool than most other bands.

that is so fucking retarded. if APC had a different singer not one person would've ever at any point compared those two bands. they sound absolutely nothing like each other.

I beg to differ, and I'm not just talking about the Maynard connection.

Both bands are coming from the same basic roots in heavy metal and progressive rock. If you can't hear the huge Sabbath and Rush influences in both bands, I don't really know what to tell you. The difference is that Tool is more about the rhythms and musical complexities of those bands, and APC is about their more melodic concepts. There's innovation in some cases, particularly on Undertow, but I don't think it's unfair to say that both bands are just 90s/00s versions of 70s rock.

How about the singing, the music, the videos, the albums, the members and the pathetic attempt to be "new age" yet be as contrived as Creed.

Originally posted by sawdust restaurants

but I don't think it's unfair to say that both bands are just 90s/00s versions of 70s rock.

sooooo tool sounds like the smashing pumpkins? ok.

Originally posted by El Savior
sooooo tool sounds like the smashing pumpkins? ok.

No, but APC certainly bares some similarities. Read my posts before you start to flame me, boy.

Originally posted by sawdust restaurants


No, but APC certainly bares some similarities. Read my posts before you start to flame me, boy.

i wasn't flaming you at all.

and sure they have similarities. guitars bass drums and maynard. but that's it.

Originally posted by sppunk
How about the singing, the music, the videos, the albums, the members

Way to critisize the entire band while being vague enough to avoid pointing out anything with actual substance. Someone who's never heard APC in their life could say something like "the singing, the videos, the albums, them members." WHAT about the music, videos, albums are bad?


I disagree with those who say APC sounds like a watered down version of TOOL because Maynard's in it. Of course the band's going to have a tool-influenced sound. Maynard has a style of writing and singing. What exactly would you expect differently with Maynard fronting? Other than that, I believe TOOL and APC are uncannily different.

Originally posted by Salem
Of course the band's going to have a tool-influenced sound. Maynard has a style of writing and singing. What exactly would you expect differently with Maynard fronting?Maynard had very little to do with the lyrics on Mer de Noms.

Originally posted by The Ace of Aces
Completely generic pseudo-intelligent Tool-esque rock. I think the question is what's not to like about APC if you like Tool. I loathe tool.

like them or not, apc is far from generic.

Originally posted by Salem


Way to critisize the entire band while being vague enough to avoid pointing out anything with actual substance. Someone who's never heard APC in their life could say something like "the singing, the videos, the albums, them members." WHAT about the music, videos, albums are bad?


I disagree with those who say APC sounds like a watered down version of TOOL because Maynard's in it. Of course the band's going to have a tool-influenced sound. Maynard has a style of writing and singing. What exactly would you expect differently with Maynard fronting? Other than that, I believe TOOL and APC are uncannily different.

Wait a second...

If Billy Howerdel wrote all of APCs songs between the 80s and 90s and without Maynard's help, using him only for lyrics and delivery... and if Maynard doesn't write any of Tool's music (once again just lyrics)... then how in the hell is he going to bring a Tool influence?

Sawdust was right.

Originally posted by NewFreshness


Wait a second...

If Billy Howerdel wrote all of APCs songs between the 80s and 90s and without Maynard's help, using him only for lyrics and delivery... and if Maynard doesn't write any of Tool's music (once again just lyrics)... then how in the hell is he going to bring a Tool influence?

Sawdust was right.

There's still the vocal delivery. I'd say that's key.

And once again, I don't hear a lot of similarity in the instrumentation of APC compared to TOOL...I could go into spacifics but it would be like comparing apples and oranges.

Originally posted by guz
Maynard had very little to do with the lyrics on Mer de Noms.

Source? I seriously doubt Maynard takes time off from Tool to sing someone else's lyrics. The book credits "All music and lyrics by Maynard James Keenan and Billy Howerdel." I always assumed Billy wrote the music and Maynard the lyrics.

I know Billy wrote some of the lyrics....but I do believe maynard wrote his share too.

Howerdel had the majority of the album done before Maynard even spoke with them about joining on. Howerdel was ISO a female vocalist, and during that search Maynard sorta jumped in. Maynard did alter a few of the lyrics, but supposedly it was nothing major. Anyhow, this was everywhere when the album was released....in fact APC's main site bio's page may even mention Howerdel writing the lyrics, I don't remember. Do a simple search, it's a well known fact.

Originally posted by Salem


Way to critisize the entire band while being vague enough to avoid pointing out anything with actual substance. Someone who's never heard APC in their life could say something like "the singing, the videos, the albums, them members." WHAT about the music, videos, albums are bad?


No cohesive feeling. No emotion. Nothing out of the ordinary. No substance. No feeling. Music is boring. Music is plain. Music is contrived and false. Members are dead on stage. Videos are lame.

Good enough for you, assclown?

I think Tool is very influenced by Rush, but APC certainly is not. That's a big difference right there.

Tool writes alot in Drop-D...APC not nearly as much.

Maynard sings much differently for each band. He's almost too good as a vocalist.

I personally like APC better...I can appreciate Tool but thier music gets monotonous.

that being said...Anthrax's recent album kicks both these bands asses. so...go Anthrax!!!

boooooooooooring

Originally posted by sppunk


No cohesive feeling. No emotion. No feeling.



Originally posted by sppunk


Nothing out of the ordinary. Music is boring. Music is plain.



Top quality argument, repeating the same things over and over like that.

Originally posted by sppunk


Music is contrived and false. Videos are lame.



That's sure a drastic increase in specificity compared to your last post
Originally posted by sppunk


Members are dead on stage.


See the topic title.


Originally posted by sppunk


Good enough for you, assclown?


Whoa, just whoa. Settle down junior.

I saw them a few years ago, unfortunately I wasn't all that familiar with their music at the time...though I did enjoy it more than any other band I've ever heard live for the first time though...it just makes me wish I <i>had</i> been more familiar with them at the time- It'd had been way better:(

Ah well...lollapallooza awaits..

Originally posted by Hyperbole


Maybe I'm not understanding what you mean, but have you seen APC? I think their live show is actually really good. or at least, it was with Paz. lots of energy, lots of sexiness all around. sounded a little too much like the album, but generally it was enjoyable.

<3 Maynard's thrusting on "Thinking of You"

Originally posted by Hyperbole


Maybe I'm not understanding what you mean, but have you seen APC? I think their live show is actually really good. or at least, it was with Paz. lots of energy, lots of sexiness all around. sounded a little too much like the album, but generally it was enjoyable.

Yeah, my bad. I should have explained. The songs sounded identical to the album. Absolutely no vairation, no crowd interaction. They hopped around stage and looked liked they enjoyed being there, but I could have put in a cd, and watched them on TV with it on mute and it would have been the same experience.

Originally posted by Salem



blahdeblah.

Yeah, it's kind of hard to extend an argument on a band when there is nothing there to formulate much of a strong opinion on in the first place.

It's like telling me to bash or praise Grandaddy. I couldn't realy bash them, nor could I really praise them. That's not to say they're not a good band, though, just nothing exceptional or out-of-the-ordinary.

Step off of the APC street team and pay attention, son.

Originally posted by Pumpkins23836


Source?the fucking liner notes. jesus christ.

They're boring and not influenced by the Velvet Underground.

And they don't inclu<sklfj>de nearly as many organ solos as the Make Up.

Originally posted by sppunk


Yeah, it's kind of hard to extend an argument on a band when there is nothing there to formulate much of a strong opinion on in the first place.



Well you just seemed to have a strong enough negative opinion to voice your critisisms of them insatiably vaguely- I figured if it was strong enought o post about than you had some spacific quarrels with them, which I was actually curious about. I wanted to know opinions of spacific dislikes of the band's music. I'm not here to defend them.

Originally posted by sppunk



It's like telling me to bash or praise Grandaddy. I couldn't realy bash them, nor could I really praise them. That's not to say they're not a good band, though, just nothing exceptional or out-of-the-ordinary.
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Grandaddy are a hell of alot more interesting musically than APC. To be honest I'm more familiar with Grandaddy live, but still... a hell of alot more out-of-the-ordinary.

Originally posted by Injektilo


Grandaddy are a hell of alot more interesting musically than APC. To be honest I'm more familiar with Grandaddy live, but still... a hell of alot more out-of-the-ordinary.

Perhaps more out of the ordinary...not as enjoyable for me though.

Originally posted by Mooney


like them or not, apc is far from generic.

funniest thing i've heard in a while.

Originally posted by Injektilo


Grandaddy are a hell of alot more interesting musically than APC. To be honest I'm more familiar with Grandaddy live, but still... a hell of alot more out-of-the-ordinary.

Grandaddy >>>>>>>>>>> APC

It was the band that was playing when I wrote that, so I used them as an example. They're good, but in 20 years we won't be posting on a Grandaddy messageboard or anything I doubt.

I can't believe you guys are sitting around comparing Grandaddy to APC for the purpose of argument.