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Nimrod's Son
04-21-2003, 08:54 PM
From the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, no less..

http://www.accessatlanta.com/ajc/epaper/editions/thursday/sports_e3e9c35a15dbc0981062.html

INSIDE BALL: Yankees now wear 'America's Team' tag
Tim Tucker - Staff
Thursday, April 17, 2003


No, you can't blame this on the removal of Skip Caray and Pete Van Wieren from the TBS telecasts.

But the Braves have been officially dethroned as "America's Team."

A new Harris Poll, conducted nationwide in the days before the start of the season and released Wednesday, found that the New York Yankees have replaced the Braves as the country's favorite baseball team.

"It's somewhat surprising," said Laura Light, a Harris senior research manager who was in charge of the poll, "in that the Braves had perenially been the favorite."

The Braves anointed themselves "America's Team" in the 1970s and gained standing as such in the '90s when the Harris Poll annually found them to be the nation's most popular team, usually by wide margins over the No. 2 Yankees.

But in the current poll --- the first one Harris has done on the topic since 1999 --- 17 percent of respondents said the Yankees are their favorite team, compared with 11 percent for the Braves. The Mets are next, named by 6 percent.

"We know that, at some point between 1999 and 2003, the Yankees have taken over the crown as being America's favorite team," Light said. She suggested the Braves slipped because the Yankees have had more postseason success and "have a bigger collection of stars right now."

The Braves began to build a national following in the 1970s, when Ted Turner beamed their games across the country on his fledgling Superstation and broadcasters Ernie Johnson Sr., Caray and Van Wieren convinced fans to adopt the then-inept team.

"We started getting letters from all the states, saying thanks for the games," Johnson, now retired, recalled Wednesday. "We'd be walking through the San Francisco airport, and someone would say, 'Watched the game last night.'

"So one night on the air, I casually said, 'We're like America's team.' The next day, I was down at the TV station, and somebody came up to me and said, 'Hey, Ernie, Ted heard and liked that 'America's team' remark. He's going to use it [in advertising and marketing].'

"That's how it all started."

In other words, no poll was required.

A little of this, little of that

We'll be brief . . .

> So the Walt Disney Co. has demonstrated it is possible to sell a baseball team in this economy. And it only took four years, one World Series championship and a 40 percent reduction in price to unload the Anaheim Angels.

> Disney put the Angels on the market for $300 million in 1999 and finally found a buyer this week, Phoenix businessman Arturo Moreno agreeing to pay around $180 million. Wonder how far the price would have fallen if the Angels, a last-place team when put on the market, weren't now the world champs.

> If Georgia Tech freshman Chris Bosh winds up in the NBA draft, he'll become the latest in a long line of players to turn pro after saying they would stay in school. In fact, if memory serves, every underclassmen ever to enter the NBA draft has said, at one point or another, that he would stay in school.

> The WNBA labor dispute takes us back to a simpler time in sports: The parties are arguing over whether the minimum salary for rookies should be $25,000 or $33,000, whether the minimum salary for veterans should be $41,200 or $48,000 and whether the salary cap per team should be $616,000 or $750,000. Arguments over such small change are almost refreshing, considering the billions that players and owners argue about in other leagues.

> Someone was asking Orlando Magic coach Doc Rivers the other day if his middling team would be better served long-term by being in the draft lottery than by being in the playoffs as a low seed. (His answer: No.) The question reminded me that we used to ask the same thing around here about the Hawks, back when they made the playoffs ever year. (And now we know the answer: No.)

> "This is my 40th anniversary with the Braves," Bill Bartholomay mentioned the other day. And this would have to be some sort of record, if it happens: being part of two groups that buy the same team, first in 1963 and again . . . 40 years later?

--- Tim Tucker's Inside Ball appears Sunday, Tuesday and Thursday.

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Sepiae
04-21-2003, 09:09 PM
Originally posted by Nimrod's Son
No, you can't blame this on the removal of Skip Caray and Pete Van Wieren from the TBS telecasts.


When did that happen? Anyone? :eek:

bornentertainer
04-21-2003, 09:12 PM
Originally posted by Nimrod's Son
A new Harris Poll, conducted nationwide in the days before the start of the season and released Wednesday, found that the New York Yankees have replaced the Braves as the country's favorite baseball team.

Excuse me while I vomit.

:hurl:

Nimrod's Son
04-21-2003, 09:12 PM
Originally posted by Sepiae


When did that happen? Anyone? :eek:

About a week or so ago.

Nimrod's Son
04-21-2003, 09:14 PM
What I find truly amazing is that the Braves are the "second most popular team in the country" and yet they can't even sell out their playoff games.

Sepiae
04-21-2003, 09:35 PM
Originally posted by Nimrod's Son
What I find truly amazing is that the Braves are the "second most popular team in the country" and yet they can't even sell out their playoff games.


Their fans are very spoiled. They've come to expect playoff games, so they aren't really a big deal there.


I cannot fucking believe Skip Carey is gone. :( He and Don Sutton made the best announcing team. They were so funny. I mean, I only get a chance to watch snippets of games now, but all the changes that team has undergone recently makes me feel like the old guy for whom the Dodgers will forever be in Brooklyn.

FearFactory
04-21-2003, 09:39 PM
That's not really all that surprising. After all, how many people do you think are Lakers "fans" right now? While there are certainly a fair number of real fans, there are always going to be the fans who aren't really into the game and just pick whoever's been winning a lot to be their favorite team. some of the idiots even go so ridiculously far as to state "WE WON!", when they did nothing but snack on potato chips while watching the game. Perhaps the most they actually got into it was when they flung their beer can in disgust at the tv in protest of a blown ump's call.

And as a Braves fan, I had no idea that Caray and Van Wieren were gone from the telecasts. I've noticed that the Braves haven't had a lot of games on TBS lately, and of those that have been on, I only really had the chance to have a couple on in the ********** while being on the internet.

Nimrod's Son
04-21-2003, 09:53 PM
They're only gone from the "national" broadcasts, not the "local" ones.

However, wouldn't the poll show Anaheim, or Arizona, as those are the last 2 champs?

Nimrod's Son
04-21-2003, 09:54 PM
Originally posted by Sepiae



Their fans are very spoiled. They've come to expect playoff games, so they aren't really a big deal there.



They're commonplace in New York, and yet somehow tickets are impossible to get.

FearFactory
04-21-2003, 09:58 PM
Originally posted by Nimrod's Son
They're only gone from the "national" broadcasts, not the "local" ones.

However, wouldn't the poll show Anaheim, or Arizona, as those are the last 2 champs?

I thought it was kind of odd that there weren't many Braves games on... I guess "friends" is more important to AOL.

Anyway, the last two teams to win the world series were considered flukes. if the Angels won 2 of the next 3 world series, or even just WENT, I can guarantee that there would be a marked improvement in sales of Angels merchandise.

Nimrod's Son
04-21-2003, 10:00 PM
Originally posted by FearFactory


I thought it was kind of odd that there weren't many Braves games on... I guess "friends" is more important to AOL.

Anyway, the last two teams to win the world series were considered flukes. if the Angels won 2 of the next 3 world series, or even just WENT, I can guarantee that there would be a marked improvement in sales of Angels merchandise.

I agree.

And this isn't meant as a flame, but what really shocked me is that the 1999 poll has the Braves as #1. I would have assumed Dodgers, Yankees, Mets, Red Sox, Cubs before Altanta..

Sepiae
04-21-2003, 10:03 PM
Originally posted by Nimrod's Son


They're commonplace in New York, and yet somehow tickets are impossible to get.

That just coincides with my theory that Joe Torre has sold his soul to the devil. ;)

As much as I hate the Yankees, I'd have to say, from what I've read (and it was awhile ago) they have much better fans than Atlanta does. The players have complained for awhile now how their fans just expect them to get to the playoffs and don't support them once they are there.

FearFactory
04-21-2003, 10:18 PM
Originally posted by Nimrod's Son


I agree.

And this isn't meant as a flame, but what really shocked me is that the 1999 poll has the Braves as #1. I would have assumed Dodgers, Yankees, Mets, Red Sox, Cubs before Altanta..

I would have also assumed the Cardinals and Giants before Atlanta.

All of those teams have much more loyal fanbases than the Braves. When the Braves became the "cool team to like" in the early 90's, times were different. many young fans were made, including thugs and hicks. Being such, they are definately more fickle. They also have expensive tickets, and fickle fans don't want to see teams that don't win titles play games.

Nimrod's Son
04-21-2003, 10:21 PM
Originally posted by FearFactory


When the Braves became the "cool team to like" in the early 90's, times were different. many young fans were made, including thugs and hicks

and Halle Berry

FearFactory
04-21-2003, 10:33 PM
Originally posted by Nimrod's Son


and Halle Berry

Yeah, but she likes thugs who beat her. like david justass.

Nimrod's Son
04-21-2003, 10:36 PM
Originally posted by FearFactory


Yeah, but she likes thugs who beat her. like david justass.

Not to defend Justice, but if I'da spent 10 minutes alone with her, I'd have to kill myself or her.