That minute long clip of the duh duh duh duh duh part from the Grand Rex show. It was so exciting and the band seemed to be back then Zeitgeist came out and I realized I’d never get excited about anything the band did ever again

-Burt "Billy's Buttcrack" Sampson

That part's fucking kickass

-Burt "Billy's Buttcrack" Sampson

It smells like old tea in here

I thought you meant the music video

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First "SP2" song

Very fitting that the song United States drags on way too long and wears out it’s welcome just like the country

There was a lot of big-time hype surrounding Zeitgeist. Looking back now after all of these years, it's quite extraordinary in regards to how fast it all imploded.

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There was a lot of big-time hype surrounding Zeitgeist. Looking back now after all of these years, it's quite extraordinary in regards to how fast it all imploded.

I think the lukewarm Fillmore shows started it and Zeitgeist killed it

That's odd. I remember thinking Zeitgeist was quite an impressive return. It obviously has flaws, but it was a pretty cool statement. It was fun having the band back and everything. Which is part of the reason why it's sorta cheap to roll out the same game-plan 10 years later but with Iha involved.

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I sort of agree. When Zeitgeist came out I did love elements of it but it was only recently when people on here said that he had lost the feminine side that it clicked. When it was out I was living in a flat in an old Georgian terrace building converted to flats that was about to be demolished and I was the only tenant and could record without feeling embarrassed, but was also able to play music ridiculously loud, and I'd play Doomsday Clock with a pretty hefty sound system thinking it was awesome, and childishly showing off the song to everyone in radius, but the album did miss a lot and that really has been missing from his songwriting since.

I sort of agree. When Zeitgeist came out I did love elements of it but it was only recently when people on here said that he had lost the feminine side that it clicked. When it was out I was living in a flat in an old Georgian terrace building converted to flats that was about to be demolished and I was the only tenant and could record without feeling embarrassed, but was also able to play music ridiculously loud, and I'd play Doomsday Clock with a pretty hefty sound system thinking it was awesome, and childishly showing off the song to everyone in radius, but the album did miss a lot and that really has been missing from his songwriting since.

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Such important lyrics to a reminiscence on Jimmy Hendrix's distorting "Star Spangled Banner" and classic guitar solos of the seventies:

Smashing Pumpkins Lyrics
"United States"

Tired eyes
Closed for days
There's no regret
'Cause there's no place
I don't know
What I believe
But if I feel safe
What do I need

A home
A home
A home

Revolution
Revolution
Revolution blues
What will they do
Revolution
Revolution
Revolution blues
What will they do to me
What will they do to me
What will they do to me
What will they do to me

Dulcet tongues
Whisper fast
The future yearns
Right now's the past
Rouse me soon
The end draws nigh
Who's side are you on
Your blood you cannot buy

Revolution
Revolution
Revolution blues
What will they do
Revolution
Revolution
Revolution blues
What will they do to you

Well I
I feel alright
So tonight
I got to ask you why
Why deny it
It's no surprise
I've got to survive

Freedom shines the light ahead
I'll lead the last charge to bed
I said my last rights
I don't have to run scared no more

Fight
I wanna fight
I wanna fight a revolution
Tonight
I wanna fight
I wanna fight a revolution
Tonight
At the light
At the light
Do you wanna watch me die

Let me be something good
Let me prove something real like I should
Let me embrace every single living thing
Let me be every single moment I ever misunderstood


And then they just released "Tarantula" as a single.
An ordinary relationship war with a Paris Hilton lifestyle bunny on the cover.

"Tarantula"

I don't want to fight
Every single night
Everything I want is in your eyes
You and me go back
To places I don't know to care
The spoils of all I got were left for scraps

Don't let me say this
But you're no worse than me
It's crazy

We are the real
If real ever was
And just because
We are the real
They feel we have enough
We are the real
'Cause someone gave us up

I want to be there when you're happy
I want to love you when you're sad
Can't stand the morning rain?
Get out I'll take your place then
Can't stand the blazing sun?
Then close your eyes you'll see
The angel dust

I don't want to be
Anything believed
A million watts of sound can't compare
Come along you'll see the world
The pulse ripples, the crowd unfurls
The current starts to flow and then you're on
Oh it's white hot soul they want
To sing for

We are the real
If real ever was
And just because
We are the ruin
Of every living soul
We are surreal
Cause someone gave us up

Don't break the oath
I want to love you when you're happy
Don't break this oath
I want to be there when you're sad
Freeze-frame the pouring rain

We are the real
As real as any ghost
So easy now
We are the real
In ever living soul
Oh don't they know?

Can't stand the blazing sun?
Can't stand the morning rain?
Oh get out I'll take your place again

I don't want to be alone
I don't want to be alone
I don't want to be alone at all
If it's a white hot soul they want
Then a black heart they'll get

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Ya know when United States came out, I thought it was a cool and clever way of saying fuck you to the Bush administration and right wing militarization but now that big belly Bobo is an Alex Jones nut now, I don’t know what the song even means anymore

Alex Jones was/is anti Bush as well,
I think...

Balls deep

Location: in your father

This song was never that great, guys

I don't remember when this came out because I wasn't a fan until I heard Run2Me on the radio a few years ago

Ya know when United States came out, I thought it was a cool and clever way of saying fuck you to the Bush administration and right wing militarization but now that big belly Bobo is an Alex Jones nut now, I don’t know what the song even means anymore

A song like Freak USA does a better job of painting Billy's political opinion.

Alex Jones was/is anti Bush as well,
I think...

Of course. He's always been. Which is why it's funny when the mainstream media always refer to him as "right-wing".

I'd like it along with a fair number of tracks on the album if it didn't sound like it was recorded deep inside a tiny corner of a giant fucking tin can.

And take out about 50% of the vocals. "cuz I want you bad" is bad enough but the added "uh, uh, uh" is just unnecessary and unfair to the listener.

I'd like it along with a fair number of tracks on the album if it didn't sound like it was recorded deep inside a tiny corner of a giant fucking tin can.

i'm beating a dead horse and am not trying to convince anyone but i like this about the album

I don't remember when this came out because I wasn't a fan until I heard Run2Me on the radio a few years ago
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I just discovered this video from the Zeitgeist release party/show.
Were any netphorians there? Did you hold up signs?

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Song is still good

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There was a review of Z that basically said it was all Zeros, no 33s

and that's about right, but it is still fun 2 jam every now & again

There was a lot of big-time hype surrounding Zeitgeist. Looking back now after all of these years, it's quite extraordinary in regards to how fast it all imploded.
He needed to have James and D’Arcy there. If you have a consistent lineup for that long people will forever associate that as the band and not accept others. Although I’ve heard James and D told Billy to fuck off back then when he asked about a reunion.

He needed to have James and D’Arcy there. If you have a consistent lineup for that long people will forever associate that as the band and not accept others. Although I’ve heard James and D told Billy to fuck off back then when he asked about a reunion.

Billy deserved a "fuck off", but I think all he got was radio silence.

it's pretty well documented that billy put the ad in the paper and they didn't "answer", and he took that as a fuck you.

If I was in a band with someone for years and they thought an "ad in the paper" was a genuine attempt to reach out, I'd roll my eyes pretty hard and wait for them to actually call.

Billy deserved a "fuck off", but I think all he got was radio silence.

it's pretty well documented that billy put the ad in the paper and they didn't "answer", and he took that as a fuck you.

If I was in a band with someone for years and they thought an "ad in the paper" was a genuine attempt to reach out, I'd roll my eyes pretty hard and wait for them to actually call.
How did he expect D’Arcy to get a Chicago newspaper in Michigan?

How did he expect D’Arcy to get a Chicago newspaper in Michigan?

lololo

I like Zeitgeists

it's pretty well documented that billy put the ad in the paper and they didn't "answer", and he took that as a fuck you.

What trips most people up here is that it wasn't the "I want my band back" full-page ad that was the call to arms

That same day, in the personals section of the Tribune, a mysterious message appeared: "Svengali seeking his Asian Cat and Broad for Reinduction Ritual, salary nonnegotiable. Be at the Victorian house tonight, tonite at the witching hour or I will k**l mys***f"

That same day, in the personals section of the Tribune, a mysterious message appeared: "Svengali seeking his Asian Cat and Broad for Reinduction Ritual, salary nonnegotiable. Be at the Victorian house tonight, tonite at the witching hour or I will k**l mys***f"

I can't tell if this is real or not. I could actually believe it.

It's real and I have a scan of the paper

I'll post it on Sunday

^ Post the freaking scan or it never happened.

It will happen

On Sunday

Ya know when United States came out, I thought it was a cool and clever way of saying fuck you to the Bush administration and right wing militarization but now that big belly Bobo is an Alex Jones nut now, I don’t know what the song even means anymore

Alex Jones was against the Bush admin and the Military industrial complex for decades.

it'd be tite to get an instrumental mix since the music thru-out is rather bitchin', but i suppose that fan-made thing (which is bitchin' in its own right) will do for the time being

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