View Full Version : If the government is hiding aliens from us, is that the right thing to do?


LaBelle
08-09-2017, 05:32 PM
Like if aliens landed on earth on a major city and it became huge news, most of the people would go crazy, religions would crumble, humanity would redefine it's position in the infinite universe and chaos would ensue.

So theoretically the best course of action would be for the government to hide their existence from society.

How do you feel about this? Is it better to keep on keeping on as a society and completely ignorant to this? Or should we face the consequences of knowing for certain there is a more advanced race?

smashingjj
08-09-2017, 05:36 PM
beffen

The Omega Concern
08-09-2017, 06:33 PM
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The Omega Concern
08-09-2017, 06:36 PM
I hear Orson Welles stirring, Labelle...and Werner Von Braun gasping.

qwerty sp
08-09-2017, 06:47 PM
Cool

buzzard
08-09-2017, 08:01 PM
This is what they did with the planet being round and this orbiting of the sun that we're into.

The truth emerges.

ohnoitsbonnie
08-09-2017, 08:50 PM
Considering the scale of the universe/galaxy/local group/solar system and our life span(s) and the laws of physics I don't believe there is a more "advanced" (what does this mean?) species that we could ever be aware of and vice versa. Also time is really long and everything takes so fucken long to happen. Like I don't even entertain the idea.

redbreegull
08-09-2017, 09:03 PM
Assuming ftl travel is possible, I still don't know why a species that advanced would visit Earth

qwerty sp
08-09-2017, 09:06 PM
There's at least a hundred other cultures out there

7 occupied continents in the universe, I think not

ohnoitsbonnie
08-09-2017, 09:15 PM
Assuming ftl travel is possible, I still don't know why a species that advanced would visit Earth

To see a rocky planet with biology?

Run To Me
08-09-2017, 09:46 PM
Cool

Awesome

Run To Me
08-09-2017, 09:47 PM
Assuming ftl travel is possible, I still don't know why a species that advanced would visit Earth

Theres 7 billion of us and we're weak af and we taste good

Run To Me
08-09-2017, 09:47 PM
Er, or so I've

Uh, heard

ohnoitsbonnie
08-09-2017, 09:57 PM
I assume other life out there formed under dif circumstances and earth may not be inhabitable to them anyway so we may not be a viable food. Maybe they've sent rovers?

redbreegull
08-09-2017, 09:59 PM
if a civilization can move faster than light it seems pretty likely they can reorganize matter into any form they want, so I don't buy any arguments about us being tasty food or having resources they need

ohnoitsbonnie
08-09-2017, 10:01 PM
Why are we sure society would crumble if aliens came? Ok but assuming that's the scenario I neither think the govt could hold back this info or that the aliens wouldn't somehow make their presence known in another way

ohnoitsbonnie
08-09-2017, 10:03 PM
if a civilization can move faster than light it seems pretty likely they can reorganize matter into any form they want, so I don't buy any arguments about us being tasty food or having resources they need

How about research? Cassini isn't out there looking for oil. Why not assume other life forms would have the same thirst for knowledge we do? It keeps my brain up at night imagining the possibility of life elsewhere

ohnoitsbonnie
08-09-2017, 10:04 PM
The universe is supposedly infinite and therefore every possibility within the law of physics is fair game

ohnoitsbonnie
08-09-2017, 10:05 PM
What if microbial or equivalent alien life has come to earth by way of meteor but it either became destroyed on the way in or because of conditions here on earth? (Like it breaths sulfur and has cold hydrocarbon blood)

redbreegull
08-09-2017, 10:10 PM
How about research? Cassini isn't out there looking for oil. Why not assume other life forms would have the same thirst for knowledge we do? It keeps my brain up at night imagining the possibility of life elsewhere

this is possible but still unlikely based on the size of the universe. there are probably billions of life-supporting worlds like Earth, and even FTL travel is not instantaneous. Huge distances could still take a long time for them to traverse. I believe that there is almost certainly a lot of life out there, but I find the chances that it has come here or will ever come here to be pretty slim

ohnoitsbonnie
08-09-2017, 10:44 PM
Depends on how much faster than light we're talking which afaik isn't even possible. So yes, even if you could travel at the speed of light the stuff out there close by is p boring if you're looking for life. Unless your lifespan is very very long

ohnoitsbonnie
08-09-2017, 10:44 PM
Space is mostly empty, after all.

Wormholes or nothing

ohnoitsbonnie
08-09-2017, 10:46 PM
One of the abstract fevergrief thoughts I had after tie died was that he and his brother's spirits could bounce around wrestling through space way after than the speed of light

LaBelle
08-10-2017, 04:54 AM
Why are we sure society would crumble if aliens came? Ok but assuming that's the scenario I neither think the govt could hold back this info or that the aliens wouldn't somehow make their presence known in another way

I don't know, but do you think society could handle knowing for a fact there is extraterrestrial life and that humans aren't the most technologically advanced beings?

Who knows, some people say the government has knowledge of alien life right now and doesn't go public with it... so it's hard to say.

ohnoitsbonnie
08-10-2017, 07:09 AM
I could handle it if you could get me to believe it but like I said before, I just don't

LaBelle
08-10-2017, 07:10 AM
Ok, thank you for your input.

ohnoitsbonnie
08-10-2017, 07:28 AM
Which government is hiding aliens?

LaBelle
08-10-2017, 07:31 AM
Any of them could theoretically be.

Even here, there are stories of alien cover ups.

LaBelle
08-10-2017, 07:33 AM
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buzzard
08-10-2017, 07:39 AM
Are we really that blessed with elected officials responsible and consistent enough to effectively carry out this next-level obscurantism for the supposed net benefit of humankind?

I should have taken that job with the Hubble Space Telescope. They weren't offering much, but I never did factor in the possibility of hush money.

ohnoitsbonnie
08-10-2017, 07:48 AM
You know what the HST needs? A lens that would give those long exposure pics some more noise

LaBelle
08-10-2017, 08:00 AM
Are we really that blessed with elected officials responsible and consistent enough to effectively carry out this next-level obscurantism for the supposed net benefit of humankind?

I should have taken that job with the Hubble Space Telescope. They weren't offering much, but I never did factor in the possibility of hush money.

It's not hush money. They off the fools who try to go public.

Why do you think there was a job opening in the first place?

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yo soy el mejor
08-10-2017, 08:06 AM
Like if aliens landed on earth on a major city and it became huge news, most of the people would go crazy, religions would crumble, humanity would redefine it's position in the infinite universe and chaos would ensue.

the aliens wouldn't let that happen. i've heard they're super nice.

LaBelle
08-10-2017, 08:06 AM
the aliens wouldn't let that happen. i've heard they're super nice.

Careful! They could be watching

buzzard
08-10-2017, 08:11 AM
Humans are naturally immortal but everybody ends up stumbling upon the alien truth sooner or later and has to go.

yo soy el mejor
08-10-2017, 08:17 AM
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Run To Me
08-10-2017, 01:08 PM
A close childhood friend of mine swears he was abducted by aliens. He is a meth addict, but the abduction purportedly occurred during a time period he was clean and living with his family. He won't talk about it unless prompted, and gets genuinely tearful and panicky when he recounts it

So, basically, I can confirm that aliens definitely exist and that they also have abduct at least 1 kindhearted meth addict

Disco King
08-10-2017, 02:46 PM
this is possible but still unlikely based on the size of the universe. there are probably billions of life-supporting worlds like Earth, and even FTL travel is not instantaneous. Huge distances could still take a long time for them to traverse. I believe that there is almost certainly a lot of life out there, but I find the chances that it has come here or will ever come here to be pretty slim

Say a planet developed the means to launch a probe that would land on another planet. That probe has the ability to make two more probes, that would each be sent to yet another planet, each making two more probes.

So, exponential planetary probing, essentially.

This process could allow every planet in the galaxy to be probed in less than the time that speciation tends to occur.

Even if we haven't been visited by alien organisms, why don't we see evidence of their existence through their probes? Even if only one civilization in the galaxy were able to do this, wouldn't we encounter something of theirs by now?

My personal solution to the Fermi Paradox: life forms need an environment that changes slowly enough that they can adapt and continue to exist. It may be the case that it is very rare for any planet to maintain a constant environment long enough for anything that may be living on it to develop to the point of mastering interstellar travel. Nearest station is 4 light-years away. It'd take a while to travel that distance, or to even be able to collect the energy necessary for doing so. Maybe nobody lives long enough to build a Dyson sphere.

The Omega Concern
08-10-2017, 09:41 PM
Considering the scale of the universe/galaxy/local group/solar system and our life span(s) and the laws of physics I don't believe there is a more "advanced" (what does this mean?) species that we could ever be aware of and vice versa. Also time is really long and everything takes so fucken long to happen. Like I don't even entertain the idea.


From this, I can presume if we are ever told of an alien invasion, you'd be in the Von Braun camp of it being a hoax.

Ditto RBG...


There's at least a hundred other cultures out there

7 occupied continents in the universe, I think not


and one for the "They're Here!!!" crowd.



To see a rocky planet with biology?


This planet is rich with resources and a garden of souls, the most coveted among them.



Theres 7 billion of us and we're weak af and we taste good


Indeed. It's why the Hawaiians enjoy spam so much, its in the cannibalistic roots of the Islands. Apparently the taste are quite similar.

The Omega Concern
08-10-2017, 09:50 PM
It's not hush money. They off the fools who try to go public.

Why do you think there was a job opening in the first place?

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And sometimes you're told the only way out, is the way through...


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The Omega Concern
08-10-2017, 09:54 PM
A close childhood friend of mine swears he was abducted by aliens. He is a meth addict, but the abduction purportedly occurred during a time period he was clean and living with his family. He won't talk about it unless prompted, and gets genuinely tearful and panicky when he recounts it

So, basically, I can confirm that aliens definitely exist and that they also have abduct at least 1 kindhearted meth addict



If you haven't seen this movie, you may want to give it a shot. If you're a Milla Jovovich fan and haven't seen it yet, then shame on you! It's a fascinating tale and you'll never think about Nome, Alaska the same.


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The Omega Concern
08-10-2017, 10:01 PM
P.S.

Flat Earth is for pussies. Concave Earth, that's where its at:



https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Gr-r3gPLVjY/hqdefault.jpg



lol

buzzard
08-10-2017, 10:32 PM
It's why the Hawaiians enjoy spam so much, its in the cannibalistic roots of the Islands. Apparently the taste are quite similar.

Okay, so a Hawaiian born today likes the taste of spam because it reminds him of the human flesh his great-great-grandfather once dined on?

buzzard
08-10-2017, 10:44 PM
I guess I can't think of any other reason why tinned meat might have become popular on a remote island that was probably pretty poor.

The Omega Concern
08-10-2017, 11:38 PM
Okay, so a Hawaiian born today likes the taste of spam because it reminds him of the human flesh his great-great-grandfather once dined on?



Nah, not quite like that. It's been a big part of the food culture for sure since WWII there, when during the war it proliferated. There's very few pure blood Hawaiians anymore as it is anyway, but during the war they all ate it up.

buzzard
08-10-2017, 11:40 PM
Historic ties to cannibalism explain what aspect of all that, exactly?

The Omega Concern
08-11-2017, 12:03 AM
There's something of an urban legend surrounding spam tasting like human flesh and its played up a bit in the Islands, half-jokingly. The original Hawaiians were cannibals until the King put a stop to it in the late 1800's (they cooked Captain Cook for his bones), but they were still quite a few pure and half-bloods 80 years ago.

My father's side of the family is from there. I grew up there young until 4th grade, then moved back much later and graduated high school. I dead-panned an inside joke of sorts, but its just as believed on the islands as the Ola-Mana man and the Kahuna.

buzzard
08-11-2017, 12:19 AM
The last time I saw anybody discussing purity and "half-bloods" like that, I was arch moderator of the Blade forums.

Disco King
08-11-2017, 02:29 AM
I was a moderator at Stormfront when I encountered those terms, but the topic of discussion was still Blade III, interestingly enough.

vixnix
08-11-2017, 06:22 AM
Half-caste is what I called myself for a long time, until my white friends told me it was an offensive term. My full blood Samoan friends and relatives called me Afakasi.

It was a biological description. Like, a dog with one poodle parent and one Labrador parent is a labradoodle.

A kid with one Samoan parent and one non-Samoan parent was called an afakasi.

I heard it was pork that tasted like human flesh and man do my Samoan family love pork. Cannibalism really skeeves me out but I guess waste not, want not.

LaBelle
08-11-2017, 08:14 AM
Long pork they call it in the biz.

LaBelle
08-11-2017, 08:52 AM
P.S.

Flat Earth is for pussies. Concave Earth, that's where its at:



https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Gr-r3gPLVjY/hqdefault.jpg



lol

I know we had our differences in the past, but this is amazing!

Thank you :D

buzzard
08-11-2017, 08:54 AM
Remember when Ethan Hawke and that guy from the Bon Jovi music video had to eat dead friends and family while stranded in the Andes?

The Omega Concern
08-11-2017, 05:19 PM
The guy from the Bon Jovi music video? You mean, Bon Jovi?

buzzard
08-12-2017, 02:00 AM
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