BurtSampson
09-23-2016, 12:49 PM
Why the fuck did they mix the drums in such a way that they're super gated and thuddy? the part where they come in in the second chorus of the Celestials literally sounds like a FL studios drum loop.
View Full Version : The drums on Oceania don't sound real and it's awful. BurtSampson 09-23-2016, 12:49 PM Why the fuck did they mix the drums in such a way that they're super gated and thuddy? the part where they come in in the second chorus of the Celestials literally sounds like a FL studios drum loop. glass85 09-23-2016, 01:27 PM Because they had not a real drummer for Oceania. Funbags 09-23-2016, 02:10 PM IIRC Billy said somewhere that they had to edit the drums and use triggered samples. Ram27 09-23-2016, 02:22 PM Mike Burns doesn't know what he's doing redbreegull 09-23-2016, 02:46 PM The drums alternate between sounding disjointed and inorganic, and like Byrne is madly struggling to keep up MyKeyZ 09-23-2016, 03:42 PM Mike Byrne followed by Brad Wilk as worst Pumpkins drummers ever. Byrne was just too weak for the Pumpkins sound and Wilk's playing style sucked the life out of songs, especially Ava Adore. Ram27 09-23-2016, 04:24 PM Is the general consensus that BC just up and decided Mikey wasn't right for the band? Gotta feel bad for the kid to some degree, he wasn't a bad drummer at all.. He just wasn't a good fit for Smashing Pumpkins.. In fact, most of us didn't say anything negative at all about him during the Spirits in the Sky tour, because he did a good job.. Yeah, during that first record store day show he was really good. He nailed Tristessa. Then....I don't even know. I remember feeling really bad reading about how he had to have cortisone injections MyOneAndOnly 09-23-2016, 04:44 PM There are some good songs on the album. I think if Jimmy had been there to write the drum parts it would have been a much better record. Also if James had been there to add his guitar parts. Bass is good Also, a producer that would have done a better job of mixing Billy's vocals. Bjorn seems to have no noticeable impact on the album. -Billy was the actual producer. bobliefeld 09-27-2016, 08:31 AM The drums are too loud. The snare in most of the songs is really obnoxious. Sounds like 1 sample used over and over and it's always really loud and every hit is pretty much the same volume. Bash bash bash. bobliefeld 09-27-2016, 08:34 AM It probably wasn't the kids fault. Everything on these records is how Billy wants it to sound, maybe he mangled up perfectly good takes to make the drums sound like that. They sound very thuddy and "modern", just like Billy Corgan probably thinks the kids probably like. BurtSampson 09-27-2016, 09:52 AM Yeah, during that first record store day show he was really good. He nailed Tristessa. Then....I don't even know. I remember feeling really bad reading about how he had to have cortisone injections wtf i never heard about that, that's so fucked up BurtSampson 09-27-2016, 12:30 PM Meh it's not uncommon for drummers to need those injections especially playing world tours without many days off..I mean, do you think even for a second Mikey thought about refusing these if he knew he needed them to play drums for SP? Pressure and stuff.. It's fucked up that Bozo probably made him get them after having thrown him into a stressful situation that he wasn't ready for. It's like that movie Whiplash Ram27 09-27-2016, 01:40 PM It's fucked up that Bozo probably made him get them after having thrown him into a stressful situation that he wasn't ready for. It's like that movie Whiplash definitely also relevant portion from a Jimmy interview: Even now, I meditate and practice relaxation exercises before shows. I go to acupuncture and I have a diet that's really high in calcium and magnesium to give my muscles the ability to contract and expand. Drumming really takes the discipline of a martial art. Unfortunately, I think all of that is a sort of balancing act for me because I do smoke about a pack and a half of cigarettes a day. My doctor can't believe it. He told me not to quit smoking because if I did I'd have too much energy. and of course we know about the other acupuncture he did sjpaterra 09-27-2016, 01:47 PM mike sucked... i hope he didn't get paid too much. $45k for all the work he did plus TBK royalties sounds about fair ilikeplanets 09-27-2016, 02:25 PM He sounds like a toy soldier drummer T&T 09-27-2016, 02:26 PM mike should choke on his mom's pubes. it's the only pussy he's ever gonna know. he's gay right? we can talk about that without being homophones. netphoria is a safe space, even to hate on gays like mike - not because he's gay, but since he's a shitty shitty drummer that made SP shitty. reprise85 09-27-2016, 02:36 PM we can talk about him being gay without homophones. homosexual flamer butt pirate poof queen Corgan's Bluff 09-27-2016, 02:58 PM Not only the drums. The whole production got fishy, ruined the best songs. <iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/z9CcKSStgJE" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> FoolofaTook 09-27-2016, 06:51 PM lol oceania lol plp listening to oceania lol FU FoolofaTook 09-27-2016, 07:40 PM You're joking, right? Tell me you're joking. That "your mom" thing is so not cool anymore, brah. ilikeplanets 09-27-2016, 09:32 PM Homophones :rofl: I guess he wasn't a bad drummer but it felt lifeless somehow ilikeplanets 09-27-2016, 09:33 PM And all promotional photos with him in it make me cringe BAD redbreegull 09-27-2016, 09:35 PM maybe if the music was simpler he wouldn't seem so bad. I dunno how else to describe it, he just always sounded like he was struggling to keep up ilikeplanets 09-27-2016, 09:39 PM Or if the drummer was better he could keep up... redbreegull 09-27-2016, 09:58 PM when people say "he isn't that bad" it's weird to me because as SP's drummer he was that bad. He sounded like he shouldn't be drumming for any professional band and definitely not as the replacement to one of one of the greatest drummers to ever live. Ram27 09-27-2016, 10:11 PM I think he is a fan of/influenced by math rock which is generally a bunch of weird wanky time signature beat shit [see Bearcubbin'!]. Jimmy is smooth and jazzy and swingy which is basically the opposite. Mike is very bad for the Pumpkins when he tries to assert himself into songs written by Jimmy [as opposed to trying to just copy him, like he did for the first few shows and sounded pretty good] or try to write parts for the Pumpkins, because he doesn't mesh well with Billy or the genre. I don't know what the fuck Billy was thinking NovaFritz 09-27-2016, 10:15 PM I think he is a fan of/influenced by math rock which is generally a bunch of weird wanky time signature beat shit Jimmy is smooth and jazzy and swingy with is basically the opposite I don't know what the fuck Billy was thinking I think Belly was trying to make a point post-Jimmy (2nd event). I know he made a dismissive comment about Jimmy's drumming when he was trumping up Tommy Lee's boring ass mediocrity. Belly wanted to demonstrate the ability of other drummers (recall Cash Car star, which was originally a Kenny ditty). NovaFritz 09-27-2016, 10:29 PM stop criticizing billy corgan's decisions stop posting on Netphoria run2pee 09-28-2016, 01:26 AM Why on earth, or in hell, or in heavens name, would anyone think it a good idea (for the love of mother fuckn all that is holy on this green green earth) to ever, ever, ever think to name a band Bearcubbin'! T&T 09-28-2016, 01:34 AM Why on earth, or in hell, or in heavens name, would anyone think it a good idea (for the love of mother fuckn all that is holy on this green green earth) to ever, ever, ever think to name a band Bearcubbin'! You're familiar with the term Bear (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bear_(gay_culture))in gay culture? when you're 17, but you're chubby and gay, bla bla mike is a fag. Bearcubbin is some pedo gay shit. bobliefeld 09-28-2016, 05:56 AM Ah come on isn't it fair to assume that Belly "made" SP shitty during that period by putting a 19 year old kid in Jimmy's spot? He isn't a bad drummer..he just can't mimic a drumming God like JC.. Just as Ram mentioned above, the kid seemingly held his own with a few SP tracks on record store day, but when it came time to play bigger gigs he likely became obsessed with trying to emulate all the little nuance things we all love about Jimmy in SP songs. He was legit good on record store day. He probably just struggled with the SP recording/rehearsing/gigging schedule. Anyone going from part-time, amateur drummer to full-time pro in a band with someone as demanding as Billy Corgan would struggle. Jimmy was given the benefit of working his way up to being a beast, the other drummers were already established full-time pros. The kid did as well as any kid could really. bobliefeld 09-28-2016, 06:04 AM I think Belly was trying to make a point post-Jimmy (2nd event). I know he made a dismissive comment about Jimmy's drumming when he was trumping up Tommy Lee's boring ass mediocrity. Belly wanted to demonstrate the ability of other drummers (recall Cash Car star, which was originally a Kenny ditty). "T LEE" is a great drummer but, from what I understand, by the time he came in the songs were already pretty much done and recorded. He just had to drum over what they'd already done. Then Billy & whoever it was cut the drums up and removed anything interesting. If you want interesting drums then the drummer needs to actually be involved. The story of "we listened to the songs and thought.. you know what these need? A drummer like Tommy Lee!!" blows my mind. What kind of moron listens to "Being Beige" and thinks "this would be perfect for Tommy Lee of Motley Crue fame"? Might as well paid Mike Byrne $50 to do it or get Jeff to beatbox. themadcaplaughs 09-28-2016, 03:12 PM Starting up Oceania was the last time I remember being excited about a new Smashing Pumpkins album. Billy genuinely convinced me this would be "the one" that set the band back on track. As soon as I heard Byrne's Super Nintendo drumming, I knew that would not be the case. |