"I think it's very astute of you to call it an Infowar."

https://twitter.com/RealAlexJones/status/722479129040257024

can you post the link to stream the video when you find it

https://youtu.be/-9J6R571HJc

Billy Corgan is fucking delusional

i have no idea what he's saying

look at his hat doe

He's getting his ass kicked on twitter (Trending which is difficult):

Live stream of tweets:
https://twitter.com/search?f=tweets&vertical=default&q=%22Billy%20Corgan%22&src=tren

why is he always dressed like it's 20 degrees

now we're going to be hearing about this forever

Ahahaha his fucking hat says WPC on it

Oh dear god no not again

:hanging:

"Does Billy Corgan know you're supposed to take yesterday's clothes off before putting today's on"

Just...damn...

Why the hell does Billy even agree or want to do this shit?

I remember when I used to think Billy C was intelligent and had a unique take on the world.
What the hell was I thinking.

On the plus side we have witnessed the "netphoriaization" of the online world. Belly ridicule has gone global! I am sure the socialist crony capitalists who want to suppress the American Dream through Islamic ideology and the opioid epidemic and Pornographic pop videos are behind this!

The fluoride is strong in this thread. I count five knuckledragging morons who can neither discern, think critically or face up to what is true in this interview.



This quote from AJ just before he talks to Billy calls you tards out:


"That's what Social Justice warrior crap is. It is the elite turning loose on the real intellectuals and artist and liberals -- real liberals -- turning loose basically fascist that call themselves liberals to attack anyone that gets outside the lines."


Like De niro with Vaxxed, as a recent example. That filters down to the dumbassery found here with the idiots who shriek at BC merely having a chat with AJ.

The fluoride is strong in this thread. I count five knuckledragging morons who can neither discern, think critically or face up to what is true in this interview.



This quote from AJ just before he talks to Billy calls you tards out:


"That's what Social Justice warrior crap is. It is the elite turning loose on the real intellectuals and artist and liberals -- real liberals -- turning loose basically fascist that call themselves liberals to attack anyone that gets outside the lines."


Like De niro with Vaxxed, as a recent example. That filters down to the dumbassery found here with the idiots who shriek at BC merely having a chat with AJ.

I'm sorry, are you joking? I can't translate this quote out of Infowars double speak. It would seem to imply that AJ thinks that he is an intellectual with any sort of insight, but we all know that that isn't true. He is a moron bilking his viewers in return for making them feel smart. Like Glenn Beck's Blaze a totally self- isolating and self- reinforcing echo chamber of drivel.

I thought he had a lot of interesting and thoughtful things to say in this interview. Certainly less paranoiac than he has been in the past. Everything he said was pretty measured. He's getting clowned for what he wears, his weight, and giving long answers that can't be boiled down into clickbait that's accurate. Saying that he compared "social justice warriors to the KKK" is a total misrepresentation of what he said, which is that freedom of speech is the most important thing in this country, and once we lose that, it's over. I take issue with his use of the term "social justice warrior," i think it's a stupid term that misses the point. but the "brainwashing" they're talking about - people getting their news from only one source, whether it's HuffPo or Drudge or FoxNews - is very bad, because it's a tailored version of the truth.

Billy Corgan is fucking delusional



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I remember when I used to think Billy C was intelligent and had a unique take on the world.
What the hell was I thinking.

On the plus side we have witnessed the "netphoriaization" of the online world. Belly ridicule has gone global! I am sure the socialist crony capitalists who want to suppress the American Dream through Islamic ideology and the opioid epidemic and Pornographic pop videos are behind this!

I don't necessarily agree with you but your "netphoriaization" line is comedy gold!

Isn't South Park's "PC Principal" the ultimate "social justice warrior"?

alex jones is literally self-parody. "Check out his Facebook page, we're using the enemy system!!!" dear christ.

social justice warrior is just a derogatory term aimed at young people who don't reinforce the heterosexual white male power structure. are their methods always tactful and effective? of course not. but for all of Billy's admission, "is there something to be said about this system not treating them fairly? Yes. does America have a race problem? Yes." he sure would rather spend his time talking down to young people about how they go about change rather than spend any amount of time helping them achieve it.

by being a duo of white, heterosexual males who's voices are being broadcast in high definition audio and video while these 'warriors' they speak of are relegated to mere Tweets and Facebook posts to be heard, they are simply reaffirming everything the young generation is saying about the media, our culture and a lack of representation.

Now tell me again that James and D'arcy and reuniting with the band

social justice warrior is just a derogatory term aimed at young people who don't reinforce the heterosexual white male power structure. are their methods always tactful and effective? of course not. but for all of Billy's admission, "is there something to be said about this system not treating them fairly? Yes. does America have a race problem? Yes." he sure would rather spend his time talking down to young people about how they go about change rather than spend any amount of time helping them achieve it.

by being a duo of white, heterosexual males who's voices are being broadcast in high definition audio and video while these 'warriors' they speak of are relegated to mere Tweets and Facebook posts to be heard, they are simply reaffirming everything the young generation is saying about the media and a lack of cultural representation.


Nice. I'm sure your Marxist sociology prof would give you at least a B+ for such drivel. To narrow down the term of Social Justice Warrior to an age group against a race group just displays leftist indoctrination.

A poll just came out that shows 6% of the public trust the media. I'm guessing the 94% that don't represent much more than the youth in our culture.

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yeah, you're right. it's not a derogatory term at all. it just accurately describes a bunch of "lesbian transgender femtard moron poopy pantses."

Is this your way of trying to make a point, with all that jibberish?

Alex Jones' point was to make the term derogatory. He called them fake liberal Fascist that shout down real liberals who don't always bow down at the altar of the religious left.

Is this your way of trying to make a point, with all that jibberish?

Alex Jones' point was to make the term derogatory. He called them fake liberal Fascist that shout down real liberals who don't always bow down at the altar of the religious left.

What is a "liberal Fascist?" Do you feel any need to make a logically coherent sentence?AJ mixes metaphors and throws around empty signifiers because he's an intellectual lightweight.

you gotta love when the righties "forget" the fascists belong to them

good god these tweets are #savage

Isn't South Park's "PC Principal" the ultimate "social justice warrior"?

P+C

P+C


err what does that mean?

I wanna know

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P+C = Piss+Cum

AJ mixes metaphors and throws around empty signifiers because he's an intellectual lightweight.

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LOL at belly corgan worried about ppl threatening free speech.

http://www.queerty.com/smashing-pumpkins-billy-corgan-calls-transwoman-a-heshe-and-an-ugly-pig-20110901

you ugly piece of shit…if i ever run into you, anywhere, at anytime, for as long as i live, i will knock your fucking lights out. don’t ever come near me, and if i hear even one more peep out of you in public about me, or the band, or the members of the band, i am gonna sue you for so much you’ll never be able to afford so much as to even make a fucking guitar cable.

http://billycorgan.livejournal.com/11224.html

One cool evening, I run into someone I see regularly out and about…we get to talking, and one thing leads to another, and she invites me back to her apartment…she makes me some soup, and after I am fed full, pulls me into her bed…the lights are turned off, and we start kissing…each time I try to touch her ‘down there’, she moves away from me and tenses up…this goes on for about 10 minutes until I finally ask if there is a problem…she says “there is something I have to tell you”, and proceeds to tell me that she is a he…I jump up and flip on the light…she/he says “look, it’s not a big deal, I won’t tell anyone, please stay, I’ll do anything you want me to do”…I beg off politely, saying it’s not really my trip, and I’m *boom* out the door, on the street laughing to myself (how could I not know! Oops…) it occurs to me that I always thought she was a kind of weird looking girl anyway…I walked the 20 minutes home in the middle of the night, and was relieved to get back safe…I go inside, walk to the bathroom and throw on the light, and gasp when I see the massive hickie on my neck…of course, the next day the band is rehearsing, and when they see the mark, ask who I had ended up with…I lie and say it was a tourist type girl who had already left town…after a few weeks, friends start coming up and asking me if I had slept with the he/she…I feign ignorance at the whole matter, but I start to get angry because I felt I had been duped innocently, acted honorably, and now some sort of revenge was being played out…after a couple more weeks of this, I finally pulled “her” aside and said not so politely that if he didn’t stop telling people what had happened, that I would break both his arms and his legs…and that was the end of that…

Lawlz at Billy's new favorite war - the war on click-bait. I love it that it's "disenfranchising your own power and giving the power to t**** when someone clicks on a stupid Buzzfeed article. He has such a bad habit of focusing on completely menial things and giving them much more weight than they're actually worth.

I'm sure if I told him that, he'd spin it back to me and tell me that I'm the one being naive.

Those livejournal entries are actually really fun reads

His writing style, like everything else, got worse as time went on

Also, it's such a self-fulfilling prophecy to constantly call out the media for misinterpreting what he's said, and then going on a controversial show and saying a whole bunch of poorly-strewn together thoughts that are ripe for misinterpretation. Can't wait to hear how "I was on Alex Jones' show and I said X, but this media arm said Y!11!!!!!"

#chemtrails

I've always wondered how the people around him react to his bizarre rants and opinions. I can't believe that everyone who works with him and all his friends buy into this crap. I've always assumed that in private it's just like his onstage rants. Everyone just stares at their feet and pretends they're not hearing it.

I've always wondered how the people around him react to his bizarre rants and opinions. I can't believe that everyone who works with him and all his friends buy into this crap. I've always assumed that in private it's just like his onstage rants. Everyone just stares at their feet and pretends they're not hearing it.

They probably indulge him enough to get him to the point of complacency and wait for his next flavor-of-the-year to pop up.

I've always wondered how the people around him react to his bizarre rants and opinions. I can't believe that everyone who works with him and all his friends buy into this crap. I've always assumed that in private it's just like his onstage rants. Everyone just stares at their feet and pretends they're not hearing it.

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this is one of my favorite Billy moments by a long shot. I'll recite the opening quote word for word as a way of explaining to friends my complicated love for Billy and his mix of insight and colossal myopia.

"The fact that I'm a sensitive person doesn't make me oversensitive, it just makes the rest of the world...un-sensitive, or insensitive."

when the whole band laughs at him, oh my god it's just gold

Gotta love the way Alex Jones tries to steer the conversation towards a sensational "record company puppet-masters" bent, when Billy's actually saying something more along the line of them not being "awake" enough to realize the true consequences of their immediate desires.

OPEN YOUR EYES TO THESE MUSTARD LIES

i gotta say, i respect billy's willingness to go ahead and be a weirdo.

isn't that what was appealing about him and the band in the first place?

and i don't think the things he said were too crazy at all. it wasn't even paranoid.

the thing i like most is how he refuses to give simple answers in a world that can't digest nuance.

i gotta say, i respect billy's willingness to go ahead and be a weirdo.

isn't that what was appealing about him and the band in the first place?

and i don't think the things he said were too crazy at all. it wasn't even paranoid.

the thing i like most is how he refuses to give simple answers in a world that can't digest nuance.

Agreed 100%. My thoughts exactly.

why would anyone assume anything he's doing isn't calculated.
He even says "being crazy sells records, I wanna sell records"

He has said many times that his attitude is a schtick. That he says outrageous things to get attention. And that he's intentionally dissed other artists because it's good for record sales.

When it comes to Bill complaining about certain types of social activism, he seems to be echoing a common cicgendered white middle aged male perspective.

He still uses slurs to denigrate trans ppl. That's not the word choice of an enlightened individual.

He still uses slurs to denigrate trans ppl. That's not the word choice of an enlightened individual.

No he doesn't. Alex Jones said "******" during the interview and Billy blanched. When has Billy used a slur since the Devi Ever debacle?

No he doesn't. Alex Jones said "******" during the interview and Billy blanched. When has Billy used a slur since the Devi Ever debacle?

He was probably having flashbacks of past incidents of violence.

He has said many times that his attitude is a schtick. That he says outrageous things to get attention.

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No he doesn't. Alex Jones said "******" during the interview and Billy blanched. When has Billy used a slur since the Devi Ever debacle?

FUCK YOU, MONTY!

Fucking Oboarders

social justice warrior is just a derogatory term aimed at young people who don't reinforce the heterosexual white male power structure. are their methods always tactful and effective? of course not. but for all of Billy's admission, "is there something to be said about this system not treating them fairly? Yes. does America have a race problem? Yes." he sure would rather spend his time talking down to young people about how they go about change rather than spend any amount of time helping them achieve it.

by being a duo of white, heterosexual males who's voices are being broadcast in high definition audio and video while these 'warriors' they speak of are relegated to mere Tweets and Facebook posts to be heard, they are simply reaffirming everything the young generation is saying about the media, our culture and a lack of representation.

Holy shit. What he's arguing is that the Twitter hashtag activism from SJWs is not helping. I really wish some of the SJWs would go out into the world and enact meaningful change. Unfortunately, as you have seen all too often, they rarely do, and when they do, they get shut down by actual activists and academics

The "why don't you actually do something" argument is dumb because 1. you haven't established that you know what the people you're criticizing do in their personal lives, and 2. it's a red herring because it doesn't actually address the issue of whether or not what they are saying is correct or not.

It seems to typically be used by people who have an emotional opposition to a position but don't have any rational reasons, so instead of criticizing the actual position, they just criticize the holders of it for their (real or imagined) conduct.

Holy shit. What he's arguing is that the Twitter hashtag activism from SJWs is not helping. I really wish some of the SJWs would go out into the world and enact meaningful change. Unfortunately, as you have seen all too often, they rarely do, and when they do, they get shut down by actual activists and academics

Talking about an issue on social media does not mean you're "not doing anything about it."

There are millions of people all over the country doing simple things like voting their conscious to more traditional activism like organizing, marching, etc. And one could argue that social media has been a factor in recent years changing opinions regarding LGBT rights.

Trans people literally risk their life by coming out on social media. That is something. It's not trite.

preach.

Billy talks big, but his music says nothing.

why is he always dressed like it's 20 degrees

His love is winter.

Why in the everloving name of sweet fuck did any of u even watch or listen to this horseshit in the 1st place

You sound like a casual fan.

You sound like a casual fan.

When I read or hear modern bill talk, I get so depressed I can't listen to any SP for weeks, months, shit years in the case of that rolling stone bit where he bad mouthed Jimmy and suggested he'd fired him

So, to stay a fan, I have to ignore everything he says

How sad is that

He has said many times that his attitude is a schtick. That he says outrageous things to get attention. And that he's intentionally dissed other artists because it's good for record sales.

When it comes to Bill complaining about certain types of social activism, he seems to be echoing a common cicgendered white middle aged male perspective.

He still uses slurs to denigrate trans ppl. That's not the word choice of an enlightened individual.

Jesus Christ cisgendered was the word of the year in 2015 and i see it's making a run for back to back years.

You guys are all pretty cis

When I read or hear modern bill talk,
even modern bill recognizes that young bill would hate who he's become.

I see most people on here have their heads in the sand like all the other liberal politically correct idiots.

Those livejournal entries are actually really fun reads

His writing style, like everything else, got worse as time went on


His autobiography is going to read like Flowers for Algernon

He's right tho

I see most people on here have their heads in the sand like all the other liberal politically correct idiots.

.???

Jesus Christ cisgendered was the word of the year in 2015 and i see it's making a run for back to back years.

I love how the word "cisgendered" triggers some people so hard. It's like "How dare there be a word for me? I'm the normal one, I should just be called 'normal.' It's only those people that should have words for them. Make the word go away!"

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I've heard the exact opposite conversation
Cismale says: "I'm not normal, I'm special and unique and you must respect my special and unique cismale identity"
trans girl: "No, it's me that special an unique, how dare you!"
and then they called him homophobic and a trans hater... I guess it's their word to use as a pejorative (but consider this chick was a fucking idiot). He was trolling her pretty hard, it was funny.

you must respect my special and unique cismale identity

Sounds like a "why is saying 'white pride' different from saying "black pride'?" thing

Disco King came to play. Bravo, sir.

are you racist or something?

aren't you special.

I've heard the exact opposite conversation

and then they called him homophobic and a trans hater... I guess it's their word to use as a pejorative (but consider this chick was a fucking idiot). He was trolling her pretty hard, it was funny.


That makes no fucking sense

Cisgender is, strictly speaking, normal, therefore the term cisgender is unnecessary and cumbersome. It seems foolish to label something that doesn't need labeling just for the sake of "let's all have our labels now"



This all stems from the Rockefeller's foundation and its takeover of the American education system to veer away from objective reality into the subjective. It's fully matured now and hence the 58 or whatever gender classifications is an infection on the body politic for the purpose of dismantling objectivity.

The Religious Left will deem any parent a hateful bigot if they don't agree that men should be allowed to use a girls bathroom. This insanity has been allowed to fester due to the dissolution of the language itself by the indoctination of the subjective realm from the commies who cover themselves in Professorial cloth.

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Just in case anyone forgot

Billy Corgan is not smart

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I just watched the interview and the best part was when Billy said: "it's a cult, and the only thing that is going to adjust their ideological fixation is reality. I predict that this hashtag generation, for everyone that is out there spinning their little new year's toy in your reporter's face, and I watched those clips, and I'm horrified. As someone who believes in free speech and as an artist. Because those people are going to be coming for me, let's face it, it may not be tomorrow, but soon enough, because I said the wrong thing on the wrong day because I was tired. To live like that, to live where every word is a landmine is not the world I want to live in".

He's absolutely right and this is the main reason why so many people are beginning to distance themselves from these new liberals and sjws. This shit reminds me so much of some morons here in netphoria such as rbg and discoking or the worst of all scotty, constantly basking in their own self-righteous congratulatory progressive indignation.

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Cisgender is, strictly speaking, normal, therefore the term cisgender is unnecessary and cumbersome. It seems foolish to label something that doesn't need labeling just for the sake of "let's all have our labels now"

So I guess we shouldn't have a term for "right-handed"

just call them normal

your stupid labels

uggh

Taxonomy is dumb

why do we need names for all those different stupid species

anything in the air can just be called "bird"

anything in the sea can just be called "fish"

things on land are just fucking "normal," deal with it

things too small to see are all bugs

I just watched the interview and the best part was when Billy said: "it's a cult, and the only thing that is going to adjust their ideological fixation is reality. I predict that this hashtag generation, for everyone that is out there spinning their little new year's toy in your reporter's face, and I watched those clips, and I'm horrified. As someone who believes in free speech and as an artist. Because those people are going to be coming for me, let's face it, it may not be tomorrow, but soon enough, because I said the wrong thing on the wrong day because I was tired. To live like that, to live where every word is a landmine is not the world I want to live in".

He's absolutely right and this is the main reason why so many people are beginning to distance themselves from these new liberals and sjws. This shit reminds me so much of some morons here in netphoria such as rbg and discoking or the worst of all scotty, constantly basking in their own self-righteous congratulatory progressive indignation.

You realize your post is devoid of any actual content, right?

People saying your opinions are dumb isn't an imposition on your free speech. You haven't established that anybody's free speech is being infringed upon.

Aside from that, your one criticism is "PEOPLE WITH OPINIONS THINK THEIR OPINIONS ARE SO GREAT," which doesn't mean anything, because it doesn't address the content of those opinions. It's just complaining that people hold them.

Like, one could easily be like "lol u constantly basing in ur own self-righteous congratulatory alt-right indignation at sjws omg that's so bad"

I love how the word "cisgendered" triggers some people so hard. It's like "How dare there be a word for me? I'm the normal one, I should just be called 'normal.' It's only those people that should have words for them. Make the word go away!"

Chill yo. It's just funny how everyone drops it as much as possible to sound educated. I don't give a shit what you label me.

Cisgender is by definition the norm.
this is, by definition, wrong.



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I just watched the interview and the best part was when Billy said: "it's a cult, and the only thing that is going to adjust their ideological fixation is reality. I predict that this hashtag generation, for everyone that is out there spinning their little new year's toy in your reporter's face, and I watched those clips, and I'm horrified. As someone who believes in free speech and as an artist. Because those people are going to be coming for me, let's face it, it may not be tomorrow, but soon enough, because I said the wrong thing on the wrong day because I was tired. To live like that, to live where every word is a landmine is not the world I want to live in".

He's absolutely right and this is the main reason why so many people are beginning to distance themselves from these new liberals and sjws. This shit reminds me so much of some morons here in netphoria such as rbg and discoking or the worst of all scotty, constantly basking in their own self-righteous congratulatory progressive indignation.

very true, one of the few things correct things bc has said in the past few years. however, infowars still sucks and everyone knows it.

Billys legacy is going to end up being that guy from a 90's band who shows up on radio shows talking crazy and sells shit he scribbled on in a tea shop.

For a man who worries so much about how he's perceived and about business he sure is doing an endlessly amazing job of playing the fool.

Hey kids I got some polaroids to sell who wants to bid on them, oh come on what's wrong with you kids, someone buy these polaroids.

The Jesse Ventura of 90s grunge

I just watched the interview and the best part was when Billy said: "it's a cult, and the only thing that is going to adjust their ideological fixation is reality. I predict that this hashtag generation, for everyone that is out there spinning their little new year's toy in your reporter's face, and I watched those clips, and I'm horrified. As someone who believes in free speech and as an artist. Because those people are going to be coming for me, let's face it, it may not be tomorrow, but soon enough, because I said the wrong thing on the wrong day because I was tired. To live like that, to live where every word is a landmine is not the world I want to live in".

He's absolutely right and this is the main reason why so many people are beginning to distance themselves from these new liberals and sjws. This shit reminds me so much of some morons here in netphoria such as rbg and discoking or the worst of all scotty, constantly basking in their own self-righteous congratulatory progressive indignation.


I'm almost glad you posted that

TOC to thread! Get your infowars cult member in line!

MOAR wordz!

This is usually an emotional problem, not really a sexual one. The “transgendered” label reflects a sexual identity confusion and not a true condition. God doesn’t create a person with the genitals of a male and the consciousness and heart of a female. In Genesis 1:26, the Bible says, “And God created man in His image, in His likeness; male and female He created them . . . . and it was very good.” Maleness and femaleness are God’s choice, determined at conception. But growing into one’s masculinity or femininity and embracing it can be thwarted by very early events that prevent children from having a clear sense of their gender. Gender identity is a developmental issue, and it starts at birth. All the many, many layers of affirmation and validation of one’s personhood that contribute to self-understanding (of which gender is a part) start getting laid down the moment one is born, and they go on hour by hour, day by day, for years in childhood. No wonder so many people think they were born gay, lesbian, or transgendered! They can’t remember all the way back to birth when the messages they received about who they were, had yet to be delivered. In addition, some people perceive the messages of parents and family differently than what was intended, and those perceptions ARE their reality.

The biblical view is that God’s intent for every male is to grow into masculinity, and for every female to grow into femininity. When that doesn’t happen, the culture has come up with new labels to describe something new and different: transgendered, transsexual. I believe God isn’t affected by these new labels nor does He have to honor them: He sees the people behind the labels as His precious, broken children. It’s only recently that the culture has tried to suggest that “a woman in a man’s body” and vice versa is a variation of what is normal and right. The biology of sex alone tells us that homosexuality (under which these other categories of emotional/sexual dysfunction should be put) is not normal. The Bible tells us (Gen 1:26) that God’s intent is heterosexuality, with definite boundaries between men and women in both appearance and behavior. (I can give you more information on this concept if you want.)

I recently attended a national Exodus conference, a gathering of about 900 people who are walking out of homosexuality and those who minister to them. It was interesting to me to see people there who would call themselves transgendered, as well as transsexuals who had had sex-change surgery. They were at the conference because of a growing awareness that they had interfered with God’s plan for their lives; God had revealed His intent for their gender at birth. They had been living as the opposite sex in a false self that was tragically far from what God had intended for them, and that explained why the great pains to which they had gone to fix their brokenness didn’t bring the peace and relief they thought they would get through assuming a new identity and/or having surgery.

Concerning intersexed people (hermaphrodites), allow me to share what Rev. Mark Chalemin (now pastoring at LifePointe Bible Fellowship in Princeton, Texas) and I collaborated on to answer this question for someone else:

By definition a hermaphrodite is “a person born with both male and female sex organs.” Within this definition there are three labels; true, female pseudo, and male pseudo. The first category is extremely rare with only 350-450 known cases. The second type, and the most common, is female pseudo resulting in 1 of every 14,000 births. The main cause for this is a condition known as Congenital Adrenal Hyperplasia. In these cases there is an overproduction of testosterone causing some “masculinized” features in the female. This does not mean that there is any real gender confusion. There is not. As with any female, her chromosome is XX. Any slight mutation, that may accompany is treated early by corrective surgery. The same situation may occur in baby boys with the same treatment. (There is a movement to stop this surgery, which is being called genital mutilation by some of those who have had it, and allow children’s bodies to grow and develop naturally, even if they are different.) It seems that even with ambiguous genitalia, these kids “know” if they are intrinsically male or female. In either situation, the sexual identity, given by God, may perhaps reveal traits normally associated with the opposite sex. For example, the baby girl may grow up to be naturally more athletic or aggressive than the average woman, but she is very much a woman. Similarly, the baby boy may have a naturally heightened sensitivity and/or affinity towards the arts. Nevertheless, he is still very much a man. What is God’s take in all of this? God views every individual as He made them. While He did not make clones, he did create males and females with certain unique sexual characteristics. He also intended for males to manifest primarily masculine characteristics, and for females to manifest primarily feminine characteristics, although both sexes reflect aspects of both the masculine and the feminine in varying degrees. Along with those traits, He has provided direction on how we are to relate to one another. There is no prohibition regarding a slightly more “masculine” female or a slightly more “feminine” man. God views them as he does anyone else, with love and delight, and He desires that they experience all the freedom all He designed them to have, within the boundaries of the sexual identity God gave to them. The fact that some individuals are born with evidence of mutations in their sex-determining genes doesn’t change their value in God’s eyes any more than someone born with the mutation that causes cystic fibrosis or sickle-cell anemia.

You asked for sound doctrine; I can only respond with the wise and loving boundaries that God has established for sex (which is usually the issue here, right?). All sexual behavior is to be contained within marriage (see the many condemnations of fornication). Men are to act and appear as men, and women are to act and appear as women (Deut. 22:5). Even those born with genital ambiguity are expected to submit to His boundaries. I realize this is a very politically incorrect perspective in a sex-saturated culture that declares sexual expression is a right for everyone. But it isn’t. God wants every person, regardless of their genital or chromosomal condition, to submit his or her sexuality to Him and to glorify Him in whatever state we find ourselves.

I hope this helps.

tl;dr. religion has never been a big part in my life anyways. i just let anyone believe what they want to believe unless it is dangerous, like blowing up an airport because your religion says so.

i'm surprised this thread isn't on the politics board. it is billy related, but come on, we all expected the shitstorm that this thread has created.

haha, do understand the word norm?

It's the term "by definition" you don't understand. "By definition" means "by virtue of its semantic meaning." For example, it's not an incidental fact that a parent has a child, because a parent by definition has a child. A childless parent is a logically impossible due to the very meaning of the words.

It's an incidental fact that right-handedness is the dominant dexterity, because a world where left-handedness is more prevalent isn't logically impossible. So, "right-handedness" isn't the norm "by definition," it's the norm only as a matter of contingent fact.

Similarly, it isn't "by definition" that it is true that most people are comfortable with the gender they were assigned at birth. It's incidentally true.

Aside from that, your opposition to the word is purely an emotional term based on the fact that you don't like it and therefore think nobody should use it.

^^^ look at the special and unique oppressed normal.

This is usually an emotional problem, not really a sexual one. The “transgendered” label reflects a sexual identity confusion and not a true condition. God doesn’t create a person with the genitals of a male and the consciousness and heart of a female. In Genesis 1:26, the Bible says, “And God created man in His image, in His likeness; male and female He created them . . . . and it was very good.” Maleness and femaleness are God’s choice, determined at conception. But growing into one’s masculinity or femininity and embracing it can be thwarted by very early events that prevent children from having a clear sense of their gender. Gender identity is a developmental issue, and it starts at birth. All the many, many layers of affirmation and validation of one’s personhood that contribute to self-understanding (of which gender is a part) start getting laid down the moment one is born, and they go on hour by hour, day by day, for years in childhood. No wonder so many people think they were born gay, lesbian, or transgendered! They can’t remember all the way back to birth when the messages they received about who they were, had yet to be delivered. In addition, some people perceive the messages of parents and family differently than what was intended, and those perceptions ARE their reality.

The biblical view is that God’s intent for every male is to grow into masculinity, and for every female to grow into femininity. When that doesn’t happen, the culture has come up with new labels to describe something new and different: transgendered, transsexual. I believe God isn’t affected by these new labels nor does He have to honor them: He sees the people behind the labels as His precious, broken children. It’s only recently that the culture has tried to suggest that “a woman in a man’s body” and vice versa is a variation of what is normal and right. The biology of sex alone tells us that homosexuality (under which these other categories of emotional/sexual dysfunction should be put) is not normal. The Bible tells us (Gen 1:26) that God’s intent is heterosexuality, with definite boundaries between men and women in both appearance and behavior. (I can give you more information on this concept if you want.)

I recently attended a national Exodus conference, a gathering of about 900 people who are walking out of homosexuality and those who minister to them. It was interesting to me to see people there who would call themselves transgendered, as well as transsexuals who had had sex-change surgery. They were at the conference because of a growing awareness that they had interfered with God’s plan for their lives; God had revealed His intent for their gender at birth. They had been living as the opposite sex in a false self that was tragically far from what God had intended for them, and that explained why the great pains to which they had gone to fix their brokenness didn’t bring the peace and relief they thought they would get through assuming a new identity and/or having surgery.

Concerning intersexed people (hermaphrodites), allow me to share what Rev. Mark Chalemin (now pastoring at LifePointe Bible Fellowship in Princeton, Texas) and I collaborated on to answer this question for someone else:



You asked for sound doctrine; I can only respond with the wise and loving boundaries that God has established for sex (which is usually the issue here, right?). All sexual behavior is to be contained within marriage (see the many condemnations of fornication). Men are to act and appear as men, and women are to act and appear as women (Deut. 22:5). Even those born with genital ambiguity are expected to submit to His boundaries. I realize this is a very politically incorrect perspective in a sex-saturated culture that declares sexual expression is a right for everyone. But it isn’t. God wants every person, regardless of their genital or chromosomal condition, to submit his or her sexuality to Him and to glorify Him in whatever state we find ourselves.

I hope this helps.


Fuck your false god

T'was irony, m'lad.

https://www.probe.org/what-is-a-biblical-view-of-transgendered-people-and-hermaphrodites/?print=print

DiscoCunt, I don't identify as ciscenger, I identify as normal. So stop fucking opressing me .

Identify as whatever you feel like.

That doesn't mean words shouldn't exist simply because of your distaste for them.

fuck your false irony

Does it make it less false if I add another layer of irony? Or more so?

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So the word nigger should exist? Blacks are just niggers to you? Is that what you're saying? I shit on you, you normal fuck.
you're an idiot.
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fuck your false irony
you can't believe I meant that... only crazies would believe that copy/paste

yep

he went there

It's the term "by definition" you don't understand. "By definition" means "by virtue of its semantic meaning." For example, it's not an incidental fact that a parent has a child, because a parent by definition has a child. A childless parent is a logically impossible due to the very meaning of the words.

so where does a parent whose child died (ceases to exist) fit into this fallacy? a childless parent is not a "logically impossible" due to the very meaning of the words.

is this monte? fuck you.

Not sure if this has already been posted, but here's a video of Alex & Billy backstage, recorded after this recent interview

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I always genuinely enjoy these B.C A.J interviews, No, You don't need to jump down my throat, I'm not a brainwashed free-market-capitalist-enthusiast whatever, (I'm not even American) But like Billy said, where he said something along the lines of "I don't visit these multiple news sources for absolute gospel truth, I visit them for the diverse/unique opinion" I'm sure I'm probably misquoting him, sorry. Also, to whoever was arguing about "What should and shouldn't be defined as "normal" (left handed vs right handed etc)" Well, I can only speak for myself as someone who is somewhat hearing impaired (which is just awesum when you're a music fan) I honestly think it is completely ok to refer to those who have normal hearing as.. well... normal, seeing as though i'm not.

Also, since posting this, I realise there is a difference between being born left handed and being hearing impaired, Obviously being left handed is fucking normal and should be treated as such, But what i was trying to say was, people who are "different" shouldn't be treated as though "everything is fine, everything is ok, everything is normal" Being born "different" fucking sucks... I'm rambling now, Damn you alcohol11

Also, if I can't work out how to embed..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8njtjv__sOg

can someone condense this whole thread into one efficient sentence

can someone condense this whole thread into one efficient sentence

People disagree with each other about certain things.

People disagree with each other about certain things.
no, you're wrong.












and to properly embed, just get the embed link directly from the youtube page, in the share tab.
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billy's art is a video of a kid knocking down rolls of toilet paper.


& who are those twits commenting at the end? "my mind just grew exponentially". this clip was filed backstage at the venue - is they his personal servant/yesWomen?

I only scanned the last couple of pages in this thread but "sjw" are not trying to censor speech or thought police by telling someone who says stupid things they are being stupid

When you say things that are so ignorant they are offensive you're gonna get called out on it

it's really that simple

B.C: I am so grateful to all the alternative media sources that I have access to because it’s helped me formed a broader opinion and appreciation for the diversity of opinion and I rarely read a site that I agree with 100% with what they’re saying, that’s not what I want, I want a sort of [Alex Jones: A wide spectrum?] a wide spectrum opinion and I trust myself to make good decisions.

^I believe that was the quote I was trying to remember earlier..

I only scanned the last couple of pages in this thread but "sjw" are not trying to censor speech or thought police by telling someone who says stupid things they are being stupid

When you say things that are so ignorant they are offensive you're gonna get called out on it

it's really that simple

Right...

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"i'm a free market, libertarian capitalist" - WPC
i remember when i was 12... and even then i wasn't nearly as redundant.

TheAeroplane if hate speech is criminalized (which it is in that country) it only makes sense for anti-feminism to be classified with the same regards as anti-black, anti-gay, etc. i'm not saying i agree with it, but all they're asking is for consistency and to be recognized equally under existing laws. let's not take it out of context.

*EDIT*

Wow, just listened to this whole interview and it was actually really great. I only listened to the first 5 minutes of it a few days ago and closed it. Nice to see Billy speaking out in support of the Trump situation and the whole debacle of the RNC.

Corgans a super bright and intuitive kinda guy... If he put that same free-spirited approach into his music he'd be top of the alt-rock food chain.

Even though a lot of us are disenfranchised with a lot of BC's recent output, the guys still doing well on the back of his old music... and getting back with JC is a stroke of genius. So I think the guy deserves more credit than we probably grant him

billy saved the interview. i was never a fan of infowars, but billy is a very bright guy at times. i may disagree with him, but he doesn't like to force his opinion down our throats.

billy saved the interview. i was never a fan of infowars, but billy is a very bright guy at times. i may disagree with him, but he doesn't like to force his opinion down our throats.

:rofl:

If anybody else was looking on all the sides for the link to the FULL interview:

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Had a NUTS-warning right at the beginning with Alex Jones telling Billy Corgan wouldn't give a lot of interviews...

Right...

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You didn't even research this picture. The only sources are right-wing blogs and MRA subreddits that all link back to the single Nordic right-wing anti-immigrant blog without sources from which this image originated.

Feel badly now.

So the word nigger should exist? Blacks are just niggers to you? Is that what you're saying? I shit on you, you normal fuck.

Yes, Poots, "nigger" and "cisgender" are totally the same thing, because cisgender is obviously a term used by those in a dominant position to express that an oppressed group is subhuman and inferior, rather than just being a categorical term to denote a property. Read your history books to learn about how our cisgender ancestors were shipped to the New World like sardines to work under the whip of the trans*person.

so where does a parent whose child died (ceases to exist) fit into this fallacy? a childless parent is not a "logically impossible" due to the very meaning of the words.

is this monte? fuck you.

The fuck is this? The definition of "parent" is "one who has a child." One whose child has died is no longer a parent.

If the definition of parent is "one who has had a child" (not a standard definition, but not so far out there that using the term in this way is indefensible), then it is "true by definition" that a parent has had a child, and so a parent who has never had a child is a logical impossibility.

Not sure what you're trying to do here. Even if you don't like this one example, you can easily switch it for another one (it's true by definition that a bald person has no hair on their head, for instance; or that a bachelor is unmarried; or that a triangle has three sides). Even if the chosen example were inadequate (which it isn't), it doesn't refute the point that some statements are necessarily true (true by definition), and some statements are contingently true (true as a matter of empirical fact), and Poots called a contingent truth a necessary truth. If you have a problem with that, take it up with Hume, kiddo.

BTW sorry for being an SJW and censoring your free speech by disagreeing with you guys. Safe spaces are literally tyranny and coddling, but at the same time we need to make the world a safe space for conservos where nobody criticizes them ever.

nordic feminists are so hot

shut the fuck up scotty

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"And so, that is why the Old Man's fish was eaten. It shows the struggle of humanity against things that are not humanity. For, you see, he is the fish. The sharks ate him up and completed the circle of life that was foreshadowed in the front part of the book. Yea, there was great suffering, for the fish represented life. Life. So precious, like the smile of a child. The fish is the Old Man. Because words.

P.S. This has to be worth a C."
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The fluoride is strong in this thread.

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Netphoria WAS trotsky's safe space but you twisted SJW's took that away from him.

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"Free"

Don't sleep 'til the sunrise, listen 2 the falling rain
Don't worry 'bout tomorrow, don't worry 'bout your pain
Don't cry unless you're happy, don't smile unless you're blue
Never let that lonely monster take control of U

Be glad that U r free
Free 2 change your mind
Free 2 go most anywhere, anytime
Be glad that U r free
There's many a man who's not
Be glad 4 what U had baby, what you've got
Be glad 4 what you've got

I know my heart is beating, my drummer tells me so
If U take your life 4 granted, your beating heart will go
So don't sleep until you're guilty, 'cuz sinners all r we
There's others doing far worse than us, so be glad that U r free

Be glad that U r free
Free 2 change your mind
Free 2 go most anywhere, anytime
Be glad that U r free
There's many a man who's not
Be glad 4 what U had baby, what you've got
Be glad 4 what you've got

Soldiers are a marching, they're writing brand new laws
Will we all fight together 4 the most important cause?
Will we all fight 4 the right 2 be free?
Free (Be glad that U r free)
Free 2 change my mind (Free 2 change your mind)
Free 2 go most anywhere, anytime (Free 2 go most anywhere,anytime)
I'm just glad, I'm just glad I'm free, yeah (Be glad that U r free)
There's many a man who's not (There's many a man who's not)
Glad 4 what I had baby, (Be glad 4 what U had and)
Glad 4 what I got, oh yeah (for what you've got)
Oh I'm just glad, I'm just glad I'm free,yeah (Be glad that U r free)
Free 2 change my mind (Free 2 change your mind)
Free 2 go most anywhere, anytime (Free 2 go most anywhere,anytime)
(Be glad that U r free)
(There's many a man who's not)
I'm so... (Be glad 4 what U had and for)
(what you've got)

You didn't even research this picture. The only sources are right-wing blogs and MRA subreddits that all link back to the single Nordic right-wing anti-immigrant blog without sources from which this image originated.

Feel badly now.



Yes, Poots, "nigger" and "cisgender" are totally the same thing, because cisgender is obviously a term used by those in a dominant position to express that an oppressed group is subhuman and inferior, rather than just being a categorical term to denote a property. Read your history books to learn about how our cisgender ancestors were shipped to the New World like sardines to work under the whip of the trans*person.



The fuck is this? The definition of "parent" is "one who has a child." One whose child has died is no longer a parent.

If the definition of parent is "one who has had a child" (not a standard definition, but not so far out there that using the term in this way is indefensible), then it is "true by definition" that a parent has had a child, and so a parent who has never had a child is a logical impossibility.

Not sure what you're trying to do here. Even if you don't like this one example, you can easily switch it for another one (it's true by definition that a bald person has no hair on their head, for instance; or that a bachelor is unmarried; or that a triangle has three sides). Even if the chosen example were inadequate (which it isn't), it doesn't refute the point that some statements are necessarily true (true by definition), and some statements are contingently true (true as a matter of empirical fact), and Poots called a contingent truth a necessary truth. If you have a problem with that, take it up with Hume, kiddo.

LMAO. fuck you.

i think you meant to say 'you're right, thanks for explaining it to me'

http://www.peopleandtheircars.com/
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I haven't been to the site in ages, but the Christmas images and captions are gold:

DON'T OPEN TILL...

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FINALLY GOT THE TREE UP

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This sites been one of his cooler side projects. Too bad it looks like it's disbanded it already. Gotta give the guy props for being creative though.

creative?
it's like a teenagers blog of found pics from the internet. i'm surprised he didn't ******* any lazer tits.

shut the fuck up, fuzzy, you fucken retard

FREEDUMB http://purewaterfreedom.com/fluoride-filters.html

creative?
it's like a teenagers blog of found pics from the internet. i'm surprised he didn't ******* any lazer tits.

The series of pictures he featured from the 64 New York Worlds fair are pretty cool. I find the homeliness of those old photo's charming.

Like come on, this is awesome:

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And these are all from private collections, a moment captured and frozen from a simpler day and age.

I know we all enjoy using Billy as a metaphorical punching bag as a representation of how our lives didn't turn out as we wished but we can at least give the guy credit and enjoy when he does something interesting.

You didn't even research this picture. The only sources are right-wing blogs and MRA subreddits that all link back to the single Nordic right-wing anti-immigrant blog without sources from which this image originated.

Feel badly now.




It's not the image that's the issue, its the story. And is being 'right-wing, anti-immigrant' mean you'd rather not get raped by the muslim gangs doing such things all over europe these days?


Also, it's not like the suicidal religious left doesn't have Orwellian impulses:


US Attorney General: We’ve ‘Discussed’ Prosecuting Climate Change Deniers (http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/03/10/us-attorney-general-we-may-prosecute-climate-change-deniers/)

New interview
https://youtu.be/gs2IzNEQEKk

https://youtu.be/v3nQ_1mUCws

New interview
https://youtu.be/gs2IzNEQEKk

https://youtu.be/v3nQ_1mUCws

While he might not be feeling the Bern, Belly is certainly feeling the heart burn.

Said I was done with this band/forum, but I still read from time to time and needed to flag this up as it enraged me...

Nuggets from these new interviews:

"If I was a parent or, say my niece/nephews"... Did Bill deliberately fail to acknowledge lil Augustus here?

"[Rambling about marketing manipulation]" - This guy is a such a fucking cunt. Just because he has some college-level grasp that *gasp* the media in all it's forms is designed to subtly manipulate us, he assumes that most people (anyone who disagrees with him) are too dumb to realise it, specifically "technocrat/SJW/geekswiththeircomputers"... the kind of people with far more awareness about social engineering than he ever will. He's an egotistical sociopath. The public are minions to him, and anyone politically opposed to Trump is a fucking Maoist or some gullible mind-controlled servant? What a fucking arsehole.

Since when was the right to free speech via peaceful protest "shutting down freedom of speech". Some youths spitting doesn't mean anything.

"I could use the wrong racial epithet, or look at you the wrong way" ... Yeah, so maybe don't be racist or sexist, you prick.

"You can't say anything if you're white"... Just... wow.

These people are trying to take us back 60 years and Billy finds their warped viewpoint fits his own delusions about why he's not important anymore. He's just a drug-addled mentally ill old man, rambling to whatever media outlet will give him air time.

billy linking bernie sanders to mao is a beyond stupid, it's like in another realm of all the dumb shit he has said. not only that he went after anti trump supporters. fuck him.
Billy was always an arsehole but I can't enjoy the music of someone whose political views are so different than my own.

"If I was a parent or, say my niece/nephews"... Did Bill deliberately fail to acknowledge lil Augustus here?


christ, that's bad

guys, he's not the dad.

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:(

guys, he's not the dad.

No, he is just insecure about it, he actually wrote a song about this aspect of his personality once, sort of sad.

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Is Billy the new Ted Nugent?

I'm still not convinced he actually has a kid.

"is literally mind-blowing" -BC

I saw this trending on Facebook today. I wonder if the same things trend for everyone, or if some special algorithm put it on my feed because I like the Smashing Pumpkins page.

I hope it's the latter. The great thing about Corgan being an irreverent nobody is that people not knowing what he's up to these days makes it less embarrassing for me to say "my favourite band is The Smashing Pumpkins."

He's such a grandpa

and yet a little baby at the same time

he's correct. big government is shutting down the innovators.

Marx has won

Billy Corgan on tour in 2005: "Yes, all things change! And they will, when Hillary Clinton is president!"

Billy Corgan on tour in Nov. 2008: "I just want to say I am really proud of my country for doing the right thing."

Billy Corgan 2016: CHEMTRAILS SOSHULISM BIG GUBMENT

this is the most corgan thing ever

is the new trending infowars media blast over some new interview or the shit we talked about last week? I can't imagine he went back to double down.

He's such a grandpa

and yet a little baby at the same time

So, in other words, he's a grandpa

I saw this trending on Facebook today. I wonder if the same things trend for everyone, or if some special algorithm put it on my feed because I like the Smashing Pumpkins page.

I hope it's the latter. The great thing about Corgan being an irreverent nobody is that people not knowing what he's up to these days makes it less embarrassing for me to say "my favourite band is The Smashing Pumpkins."

Well, a non-Pumpkins-fan Facebook friend tagged me in a post about this. I guess that means this is actual news. Fuck, I have to stop wearing my Pumpkins tees now. Not that I wear them that often, I guess.

I always find it funny when fans can't disconnect the man behind the music with the man in the music. Corgan's bizarre, always has been, and makes bizarre interviews/commentaries nonstop. Who cares?

I only scanned the last couple of pages in this thread but "sjw" are not trying to censor speech or thought police by telling someone who says stupid things they are being stupid

When you say things that are so ignorant they are offensive you're gonna get called out on it

it's really that simple

SJW is a term for people not enacting social change. It is a term for people pretending to enact social change, when their change is more or less witty witch hunt BS.

SJW is such a great term, people get so angry about it.

I'm liberal, I don't really care how conservative Corgan is for the moment. Why do you?

The world needs a fair balance of both sides. So I'm happy that Corgan is on a side.

I always find it funny when fans can't disconnect the man behind the music with the man in the music. Corgan's bizarre, always has been, and makes bizarre interviews/commentaries nonstop. Who cares?

Okay, I'll disconnect Corgan's music from his persona.

Yup, still awful.

SJW is a term for people not enacting social change. It is a term for people pretending to enact social change, when their change is more or less witty witch hunt BS.

Which is why people always use it for people who are enacting social change, like activists for gender and race equality.

People are just totally fine with people who advocate for social justice so long as they do so in a way that doesn't make people actually have to confront those issues and feel uncomfortable cognitive dissonance. It's fine to ridicule some poor racist redneck in Alabama, or make fun of Mel Gibson for his drunken anti-Semitic rant. But as soon as you talk about culturally-pervasive things that implicate all of us instead of a few scapegoats (income and wealth inequality, occupational segregation, pop culture stereotypes in media everyone enjoys), people want you to stop talking and will label you an "SJW."

I"m in love with my sadness

billy corgan is pretty typical of someone who suffers abuse as child

I'm liberal, I don't really care how conservative Corgan is for the moment. Why do you?

The world needs a fair balance of both sides. So I'm happy that Corgan is on a side.

Exactly. However, I don't think the one-dimensional liberal vs conservative labels fit anymore as there are so many different viewpoints of both.

The people in this thread taking shots at Billy are just extremely oversensitive butthurt liberals who will never know what its like to pay millions in taxes to a federal and state government that wastes trillions. I would rather see Billy keep that money and use it for a purpose that he feels is best, being the creative genius that he is.

Exactly. However, I don't think the one-dimensional liberal vs conservative labels fit anymore as there are so many different viewpoints of both.

The people in this thread taking shots at Billy are just extremely oversensitive butthurt liberals who will never know what its like to pay millions in taxes to a federal and state government that wastes trillions. I would rather see Billy keep that money and use it for a purpose that he feels is best, being the creative genius that he is.

Hey Belly, when is the Machina re-issue coming out?

After June saves Glass from the I of the radio, when seven are one.

He should have gone to university.

Also, does his scarf have groady looking stains on it?

man this is a cringefest.

He should have gone to university.

Also, does his scarf have groady looking stains on it?

Ha that's what I said. Dude missed a college education

Dateline Chicago: Rich White Guy Hates High Taxes

it is funny this is going somewhat viral: the transition of Alternative 90s Icon to Hobo Conservative.

billy corgan is pretty typical of someone who suffers abuse as child

I think it's just typical rock star. dude got super rich and famous at a young age. he's so fucking loaded and everything he knows is insular and separate from the reality any of us live. It's EASY to pass judgment on people that are different from you, and to billy EVERYone is different. He's managed to push away anyone that he could relate to. To us it's just the one clown we keep beating up on.

Maybe that's the victim of child abuse thing you're talking about where putting himself in a destructive place is the only thing he thinks can be stable.

I think it's just typical rock star. dude got super rich and famous at a young age. he's so fucking loaded and everything he knows is insular and separate from the reality any of us live. It's EASY to pass judgment on people that are different from you, and to billy EVERYone is different. He's managed to push away anyone that he could relate to. To us it's just the one clown we keep beating up on.

Maybe that's the victim of child abuse thing you're talking about where putting himself in a destructive place is the only thing he thinks can be stable.

Exactly. I don't get why everyone's so surprised or think he's a scumbag now. Corgan's always had weird views, is Alex Jones really that much of a stretch? Corgan's just dumb enough to make his views public.

It's also emblamatic of the Gen X/Millennial rift. The two generations couldn't be more dysfunctional with one another.

Okay, I'll disconnect Corgan's music from his persona.

Yup, still awful.



Which is why people always use it for people who are enacting social change, like activists for gender and race equality.

People are just totally fine with people who advocate for social justice so long as they do so in a way that doesn't make people actually have to confront those issues and feel uncomfortable cognitive dissonance. It's fine to ridicule some poor racist redneck in Alabama, or make fun of Mel Gibson for his drunken anti-Semitic rant. But as soon as you talk about culturally-pervasive things that implicate all of us instead of a few scapegoats (income and wealth inequality, occupational segregation, pop culture stereotypes in media everyone enjoys), people want you to stop talking and will label you an "SJW."

I just refer to hashtag activists and "You're a white MAAALE" types as SJWs.

Ta Nehisi Coates=activist
Laverne Cox=activist
Random transblack transsexual gender fluid sexless identify as a cat activist=SJW

we can't forget that even the rights movements of the past were donimnated by trendies in them as well.

how many people got high in the 60's because 'fuck vietnam'. lol.

we can't forget that even the rights movements of the past were donimnated by trendies in them as well.

how many people got high in the 60's because 'fuck vietnam'. lol.

Agreed. I just think social media really gives these types a very loud platform to speak on and give a bad name to movements. Because of social media, we're really in uncharted waters with social movements. But my point still stands, SJW should not be a term of endearment. It is directly aimed at the social media "warriors". The term sprung from left wing Internet places. It has been coopted and misused by the right wing, but it's still an awesome term to get at the "You're a WHITE MAAAAALE" types.

I think it's just typical rock star. dude got super rich and famous at a young age. he's so fucking loaded and everything he knows is insular and separate from the reality any of us live. It's EASY to pass judgment on people that are different from you, and to billy EVERYone is different. He's managed to push away anyone that he could relate to. To us it's just the one clown we keep beating up on.

Maybe that's the victim of child abuse thing you're talking about where putting himself in a destructive place is the only thing he thinks can be stable.

I can't really intelligently comment on whether he acts in a way that is normal for people who have been abused, but he does play out specific behavioral/thought patterns over and over in different situations which I have seen people who have gone through trauma do. He's constantly constructing, tearing down, and reconstructing his reality and his narrative. He surrounds himself with a group of people and then (with a few exceptions over the years) systematically alienates them all and then reasons out that they are "bad" people in some way. He puts himself in situations with his words and actions that he certainly knows will bring resentment and disapproval upon himself, and then acts like a victim. My guess is he's always been like this and the internet has just given him a platform to show us how crazy he is more often.

Agreed. I just think social media really gives these types a very loud platform to speak on and give a bad name to movements. Because of social media, we're really in uncharted waters with social movements. But my point still stands, SJW should not be a term of endearment. It is directly aimed at the social media "warriors". The term sprung from left wing Internet places. It has been coopted and misused by the right wing, but it's still an awesome term to get at the "You're a WHITE MAAAAALE" types.

it's hard to understand you because sometimes you are capable of articulating things fairly well, but then it turns out it's in apology of your right to use an epithet against people instead of actually employing the aforementioned logical approach to arguing with them. are you like 19 years old because it seems like you can't decide if you're an adult or a baby

it's hard to understand you because sometimes you are capable of articulating things fairly well, but then it turns out it's in apology of your right to use an epithet against people instead of actually employing the aforementioned logical approach to arguing with them. are you like 19 years old because it seems like you can't decide if you're an adult or a baby

Like I said--it's an effective term because people, like you, get very mad about it.

It's an appropriate term for transblack she/it genderlava 14 year olds who rage on social media to feel better about their undiagnosed clinical depression.

Unfortunately because of how visible social media is, these SJWs hurt people actually fighting for change, like the aforementioned.

I articulate things fairly well, because like I've said many times I have a master's in English Literature with a concentration in Postcolonialism and Critical Theory. I understand them from a root and years of research into the basis of theory, not from clickbait headlines or tweets, like where you get your nonsense from.

Like I said--it's an effective term because people, like you, get very mad about it.

It's an appropriate term for transblack she/it genderlava 14 year olds who rage on social media to feel better about their undiagnosed clinical depression.

Unfortunately because of how visible social media is, these SJWs hurt people actually fighting for change, like the aforementioned.

I articulate things fairly well, because like I've said many times I have a master's in English Literature with a concentration in Postcolonialism and Critical Theory. I understand them from a root and years of research into the basis of theory, not from clickbait headlines or tweets, like where you get your nonsense from.

lol this guy is like the worst person in every college class you ever took

Like I said--it's an effective term because people, like you, get very mad about it.

It's an appropriate term for transblack she/it genderlava 14 year olds who rage on social media to feel better about their undiagnosed clinical depression.

Unfortunately because of how visible social media is, these SJWs hurt people actually fighting for change, like the aforementioned.

I articulate things fairly well, because like I've said many times I have a master's in English Literature with a concentration in Postcolonialism and Critical Theory. I understand them from a root and years of research into the basis of theory, not from clickbait headlines or tweets, like where you get your nonsense from.

I don't see how changing discourse is not considered "real change." As someone who has gone through one of these programs should know, discourse shapes epistemology, which in turn shapes policy, laws, the material world, etc. Why do you feel the need to denigrate the people who embrace the term or validate those who attack SJWs? If you do, your alleged acquired faculty for advanced critical thought is legitimating the anxiety-ridden racist and transphobic prattle of the uneducated carnival barkers Alex Jones and Belly Corgan.

In the early aughts we just call these people Armchair Activist.


the girl in this video is not an activist. This is just a retard with no social skills. I wouldn't waste my time calling her an sjw
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I think the fact that he thinks making people angry by trying to create slurs to describe them is "effective" in any way whatsoever pretty much speaks to his maturity and there's not much else to be said

I don't see how changing discourse is not considered "real change." As someone who has gone through one of these programs should know, discourse shapes epistemology, which in turn shapes policy, laws, the material world, etc. Why do you feel the need to denigrate the people who embrace the term or validate those who attack SJWs? If you do, your alleged acquired faculty for advanced critical thought is legitimating the anxiety-ridden racist and transphobic prattle of the uneducated carnival barkers Alex Jones and Belly Corgan.

The woman in that video that just got posted isn't changing any discourse. The discourse IS changing, but they aren't changing ANY discourse. All they're doing is making the right wingers feel more validated that the left is nuts.

I think the fact that he thinks making people angry by trying to create slurs to describe them is "effective" in any way whatsoever pretty much speaks to his maturity and there's not much else to be said

Slur? Man, you're really reaching. I don't think I've ever had a constructive conversation with you, because you completely lack the ability to discuss your points outside of quippy one-two sentence posts. At least Scotty is a good adversary when we get on these topics. I don't get why I offend you so much on these points. I'm far left, and studied social and critical theory. I like to think I positively affect change (sans the trans discussion, but that's a different can of worms). I just don't get how my criticism of fake activists outrages you so much? Are you supporting people like Suey Park?

In the early aughts we just call these people Armchair Activist.


the girl in this video is not an activist. This is just a retard with no social skills. I wouldn't waste my time calling her an sjw
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And yet these are the people that are hindering change. All they are doing is strengthening the resolve and what people like AJ or Corgan point to when they discuss the SJW. Because these people speak the loudest due to social media. This is the problem, this is the changing discourse. We really don't know how this will play out, but what I do know, is that SJW, armchair activist, hashtag activist, whatever you call it, are seriously hurting social change.

The woman in that video that just got posted isn't changing any discourse.

She might be, for people who don't immediately write her off as (as known misanthropic suicide encourager T&T put it) "a retard with no social skills." She draws attention to the farce of an institutionalized forum for free speech, which was likely organized as institutional damage control, an effort to remold and mediate the contours of "free speech" in response to mounting pressure from the student body. You might think this is an overly "intellectual" way of reading it, but it must be familiar to you, being so well-versed in continental theory.

Anyways, even if you don't agree with the methods/message of the subject of this video, you must be able to recognize that reactionaries seize on these videos as outlandish examples that are then used in attempts to delegitimize people seeking social justice, or simply a better post-Corgan world, as illogical and unreasonable. And therefore, being reasonable and well-educated, you should be able to see the (unjust?) political stakes of the flabby white fringe.

Slur? Man, you're really reaching. I don't think I've ever had a constructive conversation with you, because you completely lack the ability to discuss your points outside of quippy one-two sentence posts. At least Scotty is a good adversary when we get on these topics. I don't get why I offend you so much on these points. I'm far left, and studied social and critical theory. I like to think I positively affect change (sans the trans discussion, but that's a different can of worms). I just don't get how my criticism of fake activists outrages you so much? Are you supporting people like Suey Park?

You are a taking label and using to denigrate someone based on an emotional reaction to the word itself. That's exactly what a slur is. You are saying it is good to use this epithet against people because it makes them angry. You have the self-awareness of a house plant.

"I can't talk to you because you can't discuss issues on my level"
"Let me follow that up by posting a lot of shit that has nothing to do with anything you said and makes some more vague ad hominems"

IM FAR LEFT

but not all bernie supporters are SJW, armchair activist, hashtag activist, whatever you call it. and some of them are leading to positive discussion. but it's easier to just post the clip of the one fatty having a fit - cause it's funny and we can laugh at her.


This morning I was reading Anohni's statement on facebook (https://www.facebook.com/AntonyandtheJohnsons/)

she's a musician, an activists, trying to push for change, not a retard.
... They used to wheel out the gays every election year to convince America to vote for Reagan and then the Bush dynasty, or else succumb to homosexual encroachment in schools and churches! Now they are trying to do it to trans people, ...
I get her point, but she's proving billy right when she negates the importance of the rights that gays have achieved.

so I dunno. discussion is good. progress is good. discussion leads to progress.

I have no love of slacktivist histrionic progressive types. I literally criticize people like this on a weekly basis here. How many times have I attacked Sanders supporters for similar reasons? More than I can count. I'm not upset or offended at all, I just think you're a total fucking moron and the things you say make no sense. I mean maybe you could tell us your credentials again, that might help.

You are a taking label and using to denigrate someone based on an emotional reaction to the word itself. That's exactly what a slur is. You are saying it is good to use this epithet against people because it makes them angry. You have the self-awareness of a house plant.

"I can't talk to you because you can't discuss issues on my level"
"Let me follow that up by posting a lot of shit that has nothing to do with anything you said and makes some more vague ad hominems"

Here, let me be less vague then:

You're a mouthbreathing piece of human garbage. You think that you're a badass because you get your news from HuffPo and are the liberal gatekeeper on an abandoned forum for a washed up band let by a guy who routinely goes on Alex Jones with fans that border from borderline autistic to full on Monte autistic. You're a sweaty, skinny fuck piece of shit that the world would be better off without. Why don't you just drink yourself into oblivion since you have nothing else worth while in your life.

No, you're not worth my time, because you're a stupid fucking idiot with no intelligence beyond whatever is trendy. Next time you're in Houston, let's grab a drink, you bullshit little fuck.

I have no love of slacktivist histrionic progressive types. I literally criticize people like this on a weekly basis here. How many times have I attacked Sanders supporters for similar reasons? More than I can count. I'm not upset or offended at all, I just think you're a total fucking moron and the things you say make no sense. I mean maybe you could tell us your credentials again, that might help.

Eh, I'm done with responding to you. You're very stupid, and I can feel my IQ drop every time I let you rile me up. I just...want to punch you...in the face.....so......bad.

Being a social justice advocate on the internet is a form of activism, you are spreading awareness it's literally the exact same thing an IRL protest is trying to accomplish

What this is really about is bigots want to use the internet as a safe space to be bigots

Being a social justice advocate on the internet is a form of activism, you are spreading awareness it's literally the exact same thing a IRL protest is trying to accomplish

What this is really about is bigots want to use the internet as a safe space to be bigots

Agreed.

We're not talking about social justice advocates. SDA isn't a pejorative. We're talking SJW.

Being a social justice advocate on the internet is a form of activism,

i agree too but you're only speaking to idiots on the internet.

Eh, I'm done with responding to you. You're very stupid, and I can feel my IQ drop every time I let you rile me up. I just...want to punch you...in the face.....so......bad.

You sidestep everything I say so you don't have to respond to it. Your degree clearly trained you very well. I'm sure your professors loved having you in class

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#trigglypuff

Agreed.

We're not talking about social justice advocates. SDA isn't a pejorative. We're talking SJW.

What does this even mean

don't mess with him he's far left

Like I said--it's an effective term because people, like you, get very mad about it.

It's an appropriate term for transblack she/it genderlava 14 year olds who rage on social media to feel better about their undiagnosed clinical depression.


Aren't we still waiting for you to explain how being trans is unscientific

don't mess with him he's far left

And he took critical theory

God just try to keep up with him

Eh, I'm done with responding to you. You're very stupid, and I can feel my IQ drop every time I let you rile me up. I just...want to punch you...in the face.....so......bad.

We must have a special connection. I can usually feel your IQ dropping, too.

I have a couple friends that have become massive infowars fans and i enjoy debating with them. I really want to try and give them all points for at least being independent and correctly recognizing the flaws in the news networks and major parties, and identifying real threats like globalization, economic elitism and the military industrial complex.

What bothers me is that at least half of the stuff they say is absolutely in agreement with bernie sanders and progressives. They’re literally worried and concerned about the exact same things. And then all that positive critical thought and open mindedness hits a wall when they hear the word socialist. thinking bernie wants to shut down free speech and is even remotely informed by Mao is pretty much the same as being convinced obama is muslim.

What this all made me realize is knowing what we know about billy’s personality really seems to explain the IW crowd. Contrarians who desperately want to identify as outsiders and perpetually misunderstood underdogs, who would rather drop dead that admit they have things in common with all the other like-minded groups who could really use their support. people who probably have trouble with success or collaborating or long term relationships.

Case in point: they’re not totally wrong about social justice warriors. But look how happy and charged they are to be arguably right about the one controversial sorta un-PC issue that will never affect their lives. So brave for standing up to those feminist oppressors! Meanwhile trump incites violence and hates libel laws, but he’s not a censored shill. And when it comes to climate change, the thought of actually agreeing or working together with scientists, liberals or the UN would shatter their identity. So they have to make shit up and dwell on anything that could be wrong. It has to be us against everyone else, forever. Too independent for the independents. The only solution is to keep identifying other people’s problems.

From what i’ve seen a lot of these folks rant about globalists but can’t even imagine a world without shitty fast food drive thrus and credit cards and walmart prices. Someone who shops at the farmers market, cooks their own food, doesn’t own a car or eat meat and pays a premium on local products and services is actually helping change things much more. But if they’re a millennial who tweets and doesn’t own a gun they must be another pussy PC shill!

i can't believe i ranted this much but it's really bothered me lately. and i just watched They Live yesterday for the first time, pretty randomly, didn’t even know it was political. I didn’t even realize there were clips from it shown in the billy IW video! It was a crazy hilarious movie with a bunch of awesome moments but hard to enjoy knowing its probably scripture for this crowd

We must have a special connection. I can usually feel your IQ dropping, too.

whoever it was up there who said he's like that guy in every college class is right. white male contrarian who sees it as his divine purpose to play the devil's advocate no matter how little he understands a topic. only difference is that guy is usually also mr. ron paul for president. ninsp is... an aberration

ahh a bunch of straight men who never go outside arguing gender issues.

got to love the internet.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/05/13/how-the-smashing-pumpkins-billy-corgan-became-an-sjw-hating-conservative-crusader.html

How the Smashing Pumpkins’ Billy Corgan Became an SJW-Hating Conservative Crusader

i hate articles that quote popular lyrics like that. ugh.

"If I was a parent or, say my niece/nephews"... Did Bill deliberately fail to acknowledge lil Augustus here?

Just listened to the interview. No, he didn't fail to acknowledge anything. He was talking hypothetically as a different person.

What alarms/amuses me with the kind of stuff ninsp is saying and this new alt-right culture movement is that they're taking the victim stance, claiming the expression of hard-right, racist, misogynist and homophobic viewpoints, often directed aggressively and abusively at individuals, is a freedom of speech issue, and that anyone who has a problem with them expressing these views is an "SJW", which is just another way of directing abuse at their detractors, and intimidating them into silence, the actual freedom of speech issue here.

Take #triggering as an example: "LOL I posted something vile, and you responded but haha it was just a trick to #trigger you!"... That's some ass-backwards Dumb and Dumber logic.

I was born in the 80's, and in the UK our media put a huge amount of effort into raising a generation to understand these kinds of prejudice viewpoints were wrong, not a matter of political persuasion. That's not leftie or SJW thing, it's common fucking decency thing in a society that had struggled for decades with people losing their lives over this sort of discrimination. And in the 90's, disillusioned teens who listened to Nirvana and SP did so because they felt like outsiders, or they were victims of prejudice in some form or other. That was literally the target audience for SP: "making teenagers depressed is like shooting fish in a barrel", so to see Corgan turn out like this is tragic.

But the other alarming thing is the way this alt-right is being legitimised, in social media circles, (and they've hijacked a huge swathe of videogamers), with the message that those old prejudices are actually ok. They're a respectable way to view the world. That being a bully, is personal strength, and anyone who stands up to you, is an SJW.

Are you a sad lonely nerd at a computer who can't get a girlfriend? Well let Brietbart and Milo help you hate women, here's the evidence why you should, and all those people telling you prejudice is abusive or hurtful... they're "SJW's", they're pussies, they're just white knights trying to get laid.

If Bully Corgan wants to objectify, leer and invade the personal space of every female interviewee, because rock stars get laid, then why shouldn't he? If he wants to racially-abuse someone, why shouldn't he? If he nearly banged a transvestite but got cold feet, why shouldn't he publically humiliate that person? If you ask him to play a hit, why shouldn't he tell you to fuck off? If you climb on stage with him, why shouldn't he threaten to physically assault you? Touch his water? Lawsuit. Listen to leaked demos? Lawsuit. Etc. etc. Then claim to be the victim. No real surprise Corgan chose to affiliate himself with the political movement that best reflects his personality.

I have a couple friends that have become massive infowars fans and i enjoy debating with them. I really want to try and give them all points for at least being independent and correctly recognizing the flaws in the news networks and major parties, and identifying real threats like globalization, economic elitism and the military industrial complex.

What bothers me is that at least half of the stuff they say is absolutely in agreement with bernie sanders and progressives. They’re literally worried and concerned about the exact same things. And then all that positive critical thought and open mindedness hits a wall when they hear the word socialist. thinking bernie wants to shut down free speech and is even remotely informed by Mao is pretty much the same as being convinced obama is muslim.

What this all made me realize is knowing what we know about billy’s personality really seems to explain the IW crowd. Contrarians who desperately want to identify as outsiders and perpetually misunderstood underdogs, who would rather drop dead that admit they have things in common with all the other like-minded groups who could really use their support. people who probably have trouble with success or collaborating or long term relationships.

Case in point: they’re not totally wrong about social justice warriors. But look how happy and charged they are to be arguably right about the one controversial sorta un-PC issue that will never affect their lives. So brave for standing up to those feminist oppressors! Meanwhile trump incites violence and hates libel laws, but he’s not a censored shill. And when it comes to climate change, the thought of actually agreeing or working together with scientists, liberals or the UN would shatter their identity. So they have to make shit up and dwell on anything that could be wrong. It has to be us against everyone else, forever. Too independent for the independents. The only solution is to keep identifying other people’s problems.

From what i’ve seen a lot of these folks rant about globalists but can’t even imagine a world without shitty fast food drive thrus and credit cards and walmart prices. Someone who shops at the farmers market, cooks their own food, doesn’t own a car or eat meat and pays a premium on local products and services is actually helping change things much more. But if they’re a millennial who tweets and doesn’t own a gun they must be another pussy PC shill!

i can't believe i ranted this much but it's really bothered me lately. and i just watched They Live yesterday for the first time, pretty randomly, didn’t even know it was political. I didn’t even realize there were clips from it shown in the billy IW video! It was a crazy hilarious movie with a bunch of awesome moments but hard to enjoy knowing its probably scripture for this crowd

What alarms/amuses me with the kind of stuff ninsp is saying and this new alt-right culture movement is that they're taking the victim stance, claiming the expression of hard-right, racist, misogynist and homophobic viewpoints, often directed aggressively and abusively at individuals, is a freedom of speech issue, and that anyone who has a problem with them expressing these views is an "SJW", which is just another way of directing abuse at their detractors, and intimidating them into silence, the actual freedom of speech issue here.

Take #triggering as an example: "LOL I posted something vile, and you responded but haha it was just a trick to #trigger you!"... That's some ass-backwards Dumb and Dumber logic.

I was born in the 80's, and in the UK our media put a huge amount of effort into raising a generation to understand these kinds of prejudice viewpoints were wrong, not a matter of political persuasion. That's not leftie or SJW thing, it's common fucking decency thing in a society that had struggled for decades with people losing their lives over this sort of discrimination. And in the 90's, disillusioned teens who listened to Nirvana and SP did so because they felt like outsiders, or they were victims of prejudice in some form or other. That was literally the target audience for SP: "making teenagers depressed is like shooting fish in a barrel", so to see Corgan turn out like this is tragic.

But the other alarming thing is the way this alt-right is being legitimised, in social media circles, (and they've hijacked a huge swathe of videogamers), with the message that those old prejudices are actually ok. They're a respectable way to view the world. That being a bully, is personal strength, and anyone who stands up to you, is an SJW.

Are you a sad lonely nerd at a computer who can't get a girlfriend? Well let Brietbart and Milo help you hate women, here's the evidence why you should, and all those people telling you prejudice is abusive or hurtful... they're "SJW's", they're pussies, they're just white knights trying to get laid.

If Bully Corgan wants to objectify, leer and invade the personal space of every female interviewee, because rock stars get laid, then why shouldn't he? If he wants to racially-abuse someone, why shouldn't he? If he nearly banged a transvestite but got cold feet, why shouldn't he publically humiliate that person? If you ask him to play a hit, why shouldn't he tell you to fuck off? If you climb on stage with him, why shouldn't he threaten to physically assault you? Touch his water? Lawsuit. Listen to leaked demos? Lawsuit. Etc. etc. Then claim to be the victim. No real surprise Corgan chose to affiliate himself with the political movement that best reflects his personality.

Two fantastic posts,
Well done.

I liked the simple version:
"if you don't want people to call you a racist and sexist, don't say racist or sexist things"

Just listened to the interview. No, he didn't fail to acknowledge anything. He was talking hypothetically as a different person.

No way. I watched it too, and he has no children.

No way. I watched it too, and he has no children.
maybe he ate his son?

maybe AJ was stillborn....

What alarms/amuses me with the kind of stuff ninsp is saying and this new alt-right culture movement is that they're taking the victim stance, claiming the expression of hard-right, racist, misogynist and homophobic viewpoints, often directed aggressively and abusively at individuals, is a freedom of speech issue, and that anyone who has a problem with them expressing these views is an "SJW", which is just another way of directing abuse at their detractors, and intimidating them into silence, the actual freedom of speech issue here.

Take #triggering as an example: "LOL I posted something vile, and you responded but haha it was just a trick to #trigger you!"... That's some ass-backwards Dumb and Dumber logic.

I was born in the 80's, and in the UK our media put a huge amount of effort into raising a generation to understand these kinds of prejudice viewpoints were wrong, not a matter of political persuasion. That's not leftie or SJW thing, it's common fucking decency thing in a society that had struggled for decades with people losing their lives over this sort of discrimination. And in the 90's, disillusioned teens who listened to Nirvana and SP did so because they felt like outsiders, or they were victims of prejudice in some form or other. That was literally the target audience for SP: "making teenagers depressed is like shooting fish in a barrel", so to see Corgan turn out like this is tragic.

But the other alarming thing is the way this alt-right is being legitimised, in social media circles, (and they've hijacked a huge swathe of videogamers), with the message that those old prejudices are actually ok. They're a respectable way to view the world. That being a bully, is personal strength, and anyone who stands up to you, is an SJW.

Are you a sad lonely nerd at a computer who can't get a girlfriend? Well let Brietbart and Milo help you hate women, here's the evidence why you should, and all those people telling you prejudice is abusive or hurtful... they're "SJW's", they're pussies, they're just white knights trying to get laid.

If Bully Corgan wants to objectify, leer and invade the personal space of every female interviewee, because rock stars get laid, then why shouldn't he? If he wants to racially-abuse someone, why shouldn't he? If he nearly banged a transvestite but got cold feet, why shouldn't he publically humiliate that person? If you ask him to play a hit, why shouldn't he tell you to fuck off? If you climb on stage with him, why shouldn't he threaten to physically assault you? Touch his water? Lawsuit. Listen to leaked demos? Lawsuit. Etc. etc. Then claim to be the victim. No real surprise Corgan chose to affiliate himself with the political movement that best reflects his personality.

I love how disagreeing with a minority of liberals makes me alt right. Heh heh.

One day y'all will grow up and realize that everyone on your side of social and political issues doesn't have to agree with every single item of agenda in the party.

That's called compromise, and what makes our government kinda work. It doesn't work any longer because GOP thinks everyone has to be a nut job, and every Dem has to be far left. Which is funny when our President is a very moderate left.

It doesn't work because of a combination of jerrymandering, outdated forms of representation that give people in isolated rural areas more power, a lack of participation from citizens, and the constant flood of corporate money into campaigns

The "it's because people are partisan" line is complete bullshit

it amazes me no one has figured out that trigglypuff was a plant in the audience.

This was already explained to you in another thread recently.

the right as usual is blowing this shit way out of proportion. a few incidents of over zealous activists at a few colleges and they use that to stereotype and bash their enemies.

the right has never liked education, and universities are at the top of that hate list. it's not just because there are bunch of liberals in education (school admins are typically conservative). They use things like this to bash education because educating people typically leads to more citizens that aren't conservative.

to hear artists like bill throw in with people like Trump and other right wing pigs is a whole other issue. he's lost his goddamn mind and he's become a fat old angry white man who is completely divorced from the reality of what 300+ million people in this country have to deal with.

i work with guys like billy. people making hundreds of thousands of dollars per year. 45-55 years old. living large. and their biggest fear is some leftist kids in college and a black man as president

fucking assholes!

It doesn't work because of a combination of jerrymandering, outdated forms of representation that give people in isolated rural areas more power, a lack of participation from citizens, and the constant flood of corporate money into campaigns

The "it's because people are partisan" line is complete bullshit

Political Science 101 test tomorrow, eh kiddo?

Obama actually talked about this recently and gave a surprisingly insightful response:

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What I say about partisanship though is that the middle ground in a debate is not necessarily reasonable

If one side says "Lets eat all the babies" and the other side says "lets not eat babies" a reasonable position is not "let's eat SOME of the babies"

And when you have a conservative party that is batshit insane off the spectrum, nominating Donald Trump right, there should be no compromise

especially when the vast majority of the country is center left

What I say about partisanship though is that the middle ground in a debate is not necessarily reasonable

If one side says "Lets eat all the babies" and the other side says "lets not eat babies" a reasonable position is not "let's eat SOME of the babies"

And when you have a conservative party that is batshit insane off the spectrum, nominating Donald Trump right, there should be no compromise

especially when the vast majority of the country is center left

Atleast Trump is not a crook like Hillary.

He's quite the sleeze landlord

Still waiting for an actual response on how the people from rural areas are DOMINATING THE GOVERNMENT.

There isn't one. It's more bullshit that they read on HuffPo.

rural votes count more then suburban votes because cities have a higher population density. just look at how they colour election maps and it's self evident.

/s

I have a couple friends that have become massive infowars fans and i enjoy debating with them. I really want to try and give them all points for at least being independent and correctly recognizing the flaws in the news networks and major parties, and identifying real threats like globalization, economic elitism and the military industrial complex.

What bothers me is that at least half of the stuff they say is absolutely in agreement with bernie sanders and progressives. They’re literally worried and concerned about the exact same things. And then all that positive critical thought and open mindedness hits a wall when they hear the word socialist. thinking bernie wants to shut down free speech and is even remotely informed by Mao is pretty much the same as being convinced obama is muslim.

What this all made me realize is knowing what we know about billy’s personality really seems to explain the IW crowd. Contrarians who desperately want to identify as outsiders and perpetually misunderstood underdogs, who would rather drop dead that admit they have things in common with all the other like-minded groups who could really use their support. people who probably have trouble with success or collaborating or long term relationships.

Case in point: they’re not totally wrong about social justice warriors. But look how happy and charged they are to be arguably right about the one controversial sorta un-PC issue that will never affect their lives. So brave for standing up to those feminist oppressors! Meanwhile trump incites violence and hates libel laws, but he’s not a censored shill. And when it comes to climate change, the thought of actually agreeing or working together with scientists, liberals or the UN would shatter their identity. So they have to make shit up and dwell on anything that could be wrong. It has to be us against everyone else, forever. Too independent for the independents. The only solution is to keep identifying other people’s problems.

From what i’ve seen a lot of these folks rant about globalists but can’t even imagine a world without shitty fast food drive thrus and credit cards and walmart prices. Someone who shops at the farmers market, cooks their own food, doesn’t own a car or eat meat and pays a premium on local products and services is actually helping change things much more. But if they’re a millennial who tweets and doesn’t own a gun they must be another pussy PC shill!

i can't believe i ranted this much but it's really bothered me lately. and i just watched They Live yesterday for the first time, pretty randomly, didn’t even know it was political. I didn’t even realize there were clips from it shown in the billy IW video! It was a crazy hilarious movie with a bunch of awesome moments but hard to enjoy knowing its probably scripture for this crowd



That's a long way to go to show how naive you are.

http://politicalmaps.org/electoral-college-and-your-votes-valu/
farmers aren't dominating. but their votes are worth up to 4x as much as city folk

http://politicalmaps.org/electoral-college-and-your-votes-valu/
farmers aren't dominating. but their votes are worth up to 4x as much as city folk

Ah yes, because that's exactly what RBG was referring to.

billy's got a new best friend!
http://i.imgur.com/TSUSw8g.jpg

What RBG and I are talking about is something you learn in middle school history you don't even have to take Political Science 101

It's less like arguing when Poots and NinSP are involved and more like trying to teach a child

Hint: Why is it that registered Democrats greatly outnumber registered Republicans and yet the House is dominated by the GOP

Are you suggesting that the ONE representative that the extremely rural states get is somehow tipping the balance in the House? Do the math dude.

You are a fucking retard

Dude!

Hint: Why is it that registered Democrats greatly outnumber registered Republicans and yet the House is dominated by the GOP

Equal representation?

poots it's been explained to you five fucking times. the sixth is not likely to get it through your ironclad skull. the polisci 101 comments are dead on because any freshman in american government understands how the Framers gifted rural populations disproportionate representation.

STOP RESPONDING TO POOTS. HE IS A TROLL.

ninsp is actually stupid rnough to believe the shit he says though

ninsp? Stupid?

But he's a leftist.

FAR LEFT

LOOK AT MY DEGREE

i wish i could delete this thread that i started

please link at least one of the five times you have explained this. Not just made the claim that rural farmers have more power, but actually how they have more power.


https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1876&dat=19360828&id=ikcsAAAAIBAJ&sjid=wsoEAAAAIBAJ&pg=3367,4874663&hl=en

retard.

poots too retarded to realize he's being trolled.

they've explained it to you twice. get over it you limp dick.

Equal representation?

This is kind of the idea behind the way the founders drew it up, Virginia Plan and all because it was the only way to get states with smaller populations on board

The modern day consequence of this however is the majority of the country who is ready for progress being blocked by rural people that are isolated and 100 years behind the times

I was just referring to that part of history

Connecticut Compromise would have been specifically what they passed

i.e Virginia plan was proposed and contains most of everything in our gov

Virginia plan was basically amended in the Connecticut Compromise