He swore us to secrecy (LOL), but Billy just announced during the encore of tonight's St. Louis show that starting with the Manson shows...

JIMMY CHAMBERLAIN IS BACK ON DRUMS.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/music/2015/06/24/smashing-pumpkins-billy-corgan-jimmy-chamberlin-tour/29157071/

This indeed warrants its own thread.

May the celebration begin.

YEAHHHHHHHH

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this put a smile on my face. good to have jimmy back, even if it's for the tour only.

If Corgan is just calling whomever he's working with at a given time "The Smashing Pumpkins," hopefully versions of that with Chamberlin are frequent. I mean, they can't be all that frequent, what with Chamberlin's company and all, but hopefully it happens more than a couple times.

thank you for coming.

"I've been working in my studio on some of the new stuff"

DROOL. Imagine Jimmy on the Monuments stuff.

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bring back Melissa!!!

jeff? who is jeff?

I guess we all knew it would eventually happen. Maybe poor album sales and overall "meh" reception to new Pumpkins has humbled Billy a bit and he has realized he needs Jimmy.

Either way, really stoked.

Cannot FUCKING believe I'm looking up Pumpkins tour tickets in 20 fucking 15s

Goddamnit Billy I'm doing this under duress, do you understand, <i>duress</i>

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=cIpPQ7TiMvM

I'm sad for Jimmy.

do I really want to spend $100 plus ticketmaster fees to see JC open for Manson?

I had decided to skip this tour, but now I feel compelled to once again give bill my time and money

Where's Ram27

so he will be recording for the new album for sure?

FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK

Idiot. Go join a band that's good.

I love that Jimmy was Billy's second choice.

This is truly fucking excellent.

Yeah this Manson stuff is weird goth bullshit and James and D'arcy were 50% of the soul of the band and yeah this might overlegitimatize what's going on now but still HOLY FUCKING SHIT JIMMY'S BACK

That's fucking incredible. I started to get into SP and started to play drums in 2011. Since that time I've grown to revere JC as an incredible drummer, but not until today have I experienced a day where my favorite drummer was in my favorite band.

This is fucking awesome.

Fuck yeah.

Fuck yeah.

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Yeah, I don't get why Jimmy doesn't play with better songwriters. For all his time in the music industry, he doesn't appear to have made contacts with good musicians. He could be a guy like Jim White, whose main band was Dirty Three, but who also played with Will Oldham, Bill Callahan, Cat Power, PJ Harvey, etc.

too little, too late
white van
jazz fusion
heart attack
drum machine

"I've been working in my studio on some of the new stuff"

DROOL. Imagine Jimmy on the Monuments stuff.

He is going to beat the shit out of Tiberius, in a very jazzy, JC way.

This is gonna be great

I wonder what his setup will be for the tour since he's been playing jazz stuff for a while and now he's endorsed by Sakae drums.

i must say it kinda surprises me how riled up people are about this..

are you people still into this band? i mean SERIOUSLY?

yeah this excitement is lamer than billy's musical output

that would make it like HELLA lame

YEAHHHHHHHH

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i enjoyed this tho

I wonder what his setup will be for the tour since he's been playing jazz stuff for a while and now he's endorsed by Sakae drums.

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Outstanding.

I love that Jimmy was Billy's second choice.

And that he's doing it as a personal favor to bail billy out of trouble

wasn't it the third choice? (or rather last possible option to save the Manson tour)
first Brad Wilk - then this guy


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This is truly fucking excellent.

Yeah this Manson stuff is weird goth bullshit and James and D'arcy were 50% of the soul of the band and yeah this might overlegitimatize what's going on now but still HOLY FUCKING SHIT JIMMY'S BACK

That's fucking incredible. I started to get into SP and started to play drums in 2011. Since that time I've grown to revere JC as an incredible drummer, but not until today have I experienced a day where my favorite drummer was in my favorite band.

This is fucking awesome.

Fuck yeah.

Fuck yeah.

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I had a feeling there might be someone who felt this way out there. How old are you?

18

Yesssssssss!

you know it's gonna sound how it's supposed to sound when jimmy's playing

.

i must say it kinda surprises me how riled up people are about this..

are you people still into this band? i mean SERIOUSLY?

Not really. There is just a tiny sliver of hope that they might tour near me again, and when they do, Chamberlin might be the drummer Corgan's working with.

Like, I'd still see them live if they were in my city and the price was right, I think. Probably wouldn't pay more than $80.

even if you weren't into them anymore, this is surely the most convincing reason to get back into at least the live side of things

i mean, my reaction upon seeing the news wasn't too far from ram's, honestly

Wow. Now I wish I was going...

Hell yeah...just bought my ticket.

:jimmy: :rockon:

Pretty shocking. Guess I gotta go to a show on this tour now.

I'm hoping this means there MIGHT be a chance Jimmy returns at some point in the future, beyond just this tour...

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I think the fact that this thread hasn't even reached over 2 pages yet is pretty telling as far as general Pumpkins interest, even within Netphoria. Would have been 10+ easily even upwards of 3 years ago.

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I think the fact that this thread hasn't even reached over 2 pages yet is pretty telling as far as general Pumpkins interest, even within Netphoria. Would have been 10+ easily even upwards of 3 years ago.

I don't think any "activity" on this board is telling for anything. it's dead, why would people who are going to get a ticket now to hear JC come here?

WTFWTFWTFWTFWTFWTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Am I dreaming?????????????


FUUUUUUCK! YEAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well, I'm going to Toronto. Hell yeah.

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Just bought nosebleeds in Houston for $30. That's my level of skepticism talking. I'm cautiously optimistic.

wish they werent playing in a shitty ampitheatre where i'd have to pay 200 bucks at this point to appreciate JC's handiwork

I can't believe I bought tix to see them in 2015. Saw them in 2012 in Tulsa. It was fun, mostly because it was so intimate. Show was aight. I can't wait to see this, solely for JC being back and Corgan only playing the old stuff. I'm expecting some pretty heavy stuff to get broken out.

I know Manson sucks ass live now, but I did enjoy Pale Emperor (seriously, listen to it) so wtf we'll see how it goes.

Purchased tickets for the Dallas gig this morning. Nice seats still avabes.

You know when I had a nightmare last night about my lady being pregnant I thought it was a bad omen but this truly makes up for it.

FUCK. YES.

solely for JC being back and Corgan only playing the old stuff.



they are playing MTAE songs, too.

they are playing MTAE songs, too.

That's fine. Tiberius, One and All and Monuments are good tracks produced horrendously with shitty drumming. They'll be bangers live.

Purchased tickets for the Dallas gig this morning. Nice seats still avabes.

Yeah, I got them in Houston for $30, they have been selling terribly.

they are playing MTAE songs, too.

Which is interesting, to me.

I'm not really a fan of the record at all, but with such a monster drummer back there, I'm intrigued to see what happens

as the french would say:
I am Le Excite!

Wonder what went down with the Robin Diaz guy. As stoked as I am to be seeing Chamberlin again (got tickets to Atlanta) I gotta wonder if this was a stunt to pull up ticket sales; I know they have been meager.

Wonder what went down with the Robin Diaz guy. As stoked as I am to be seeing Chamberlin again (got tickets to Atlanta) I gotta wonder if this was a stunt to pull up ticket sales; I know they have been meager.

Definitely a stunt.

I am fine with it being a stunt, if that's what it is. I want to watch Jimmy Chamberlin play Pumpkins songs

And for all of Billy's faults, Jimmy makes his songs better.

I am fine with it being a stunt, if that's what it is. I want to watch Jimmy Chamberlin play Pumpkins songs

And for all of Billy's faults, Jimmy makes his songs better.

Pretty much my opinion.

The moment when Billy announced it on Periscope:

http://i.imgur.com/jxKgyVw.jpg

I had thought about going to the Dallas show when it was first announced, but decided I'd rather go to the Tulsa Plainsong show instead (which was excellent FWIW) since I did not see any reason to take off work and travel 4-5 hours twice in the same month.

Looks like there's a reason now, though.

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I purchased tickets now solely to see JC and BC together again. Don't care if it was a stunt, as I didn't buy into it w/o Jimmy. If Jimmy were to suddenly not play on this tour now, then we'd have a problem.

The moment when Billy announced it on Periscope:

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classic doug

...love it:

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I hope Billy keeps up the periscoping when JC is there

I'd watch the fuck out of those soundchecks

Wonder if he played on the album. If not they should redo it.

Slight spike in ticket sales til they're back on Groupon again! Well-played, Bill.

Woah, woah, woah, stop the clock. I was fully prepared to never see this band again and now... darnit! I mean, yay! :banging:

Had to happen eventually!

FUCK OFF UGLY

Too bad they're playing with freaking Marilyn Manson.

Too bad they're playing with freaking Marilyn Manson.

I agree, I would have bought tickets but I have no desire to listen to Marilyn Manson. Nothing against him I just don't listen to that type of music. Total buzzkill they should have just done a couple shows together not the whole tour IMO.

Now I'm going to have to dissect the live recordings so I can skip over essentially half the tour.

Yeah I hope they don't do any duets or any of that shit

Manson doesn't really deserve to be on the same stage as Jimmy

nah pls, I want a one-song-1998-revival - Manson, Twiggy, BC and JC onstage.

i'm just glad bill has a true friend

nah pls, I want a one-song-1998-revival - Manson, Twiggy, BC and JC onstage.

:rockon: THE BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE / AVA ADORE :rockon:

Holy shit! This is fucking awesome!:love: I wasn't expecting Jimmy to do anything with SP anytime soon. I'm actually super excited about this now.

Thank god he kicked the Nickelback douche to the curb ahaha

A few weeks back, Jimmy retweeted the corgan announcement that the basic tracks for the new album were done.

YOU ALL KNOW WHAT THIS FUCKING MEANS, RIGHT?!

i'm glad and all but... was there ever any doubt this would happen. i mean

A few weeks back, Jimmy retweeted the corgan announcement that the basic tracks for the new album were done.

YOU ALL KNOW WHAT THIS FUCKING MEANS, RIGHT?!

As much as I'd love to jump on the hype train, Billy said in a VIP show a few days back that there is no drummer on the album.

I don't think any "activity" on this board is telling for anything. it's dead, why would people who are going to get a ticket now to hear JC come here?

JIMMY'S BACK! SO I'M BACK MOTHER-FUCKER

A few weeks back, Jimmy retweeted the corgan announcement that the basic tracks for the new album were done.

YOU ALL KNOW WHAT THIS FUCKING MEANS, RIGHT?!

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looking up tickets now

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Seeing as Corgan music these days either sounds like a pale retread of that sort of Siamese Dream-esque formula or just pop/adult contemporary shit in general, in an ideal world, it'd be cool if Jimmy rejoined proper, but instead of trying to assimilate into that arena rock sound again, actually drove the direction of the band into a sort of jazz-rock fusion combining Chamberlin's sensibilities with elements that sort of psyche/shoegaze/hard rock influence of the Pumpkins. I feel like the only thing that would really make me interested in Corgan's output again is if he tried something innovative and artistic, like when he changed gears for Adore, instead of just spinning his wheels trying to do boring pop rock in a sad attempt to "get back into the mainstream" or whatever.

Then again, in an "ideal world," Corgan wouldn't have become shit in the first place, and the band probably wouldn't have ended and been restarted with, like, just Billy and a rotating cast of randoms that would at one point ******* Tommy Lee. But, in the next most ideal world, the above would be the case.

nothing wrong with "boring" pop rock

nothing wrong with "boring" pop rock

Except for the boring pop rock part. But once you get past that...

in an ideal world, it'd be cool if Jimmy rejoined proper, but instead of trying to assimilate into that arena rock sound again, actually drove the direction of the band into a sort of jazz-rock fusion combining Chamberlin's sensibilities with elements that sort of psyche/shoegaze/hard rock influence of the Pumpkins. I feel like the only thing that would really make me interested in Corgan's output again is if he tried something innovative and artistic, like when he changed gears for Adore, instead of just spinning his wheels trying to do boring pop rock in a sad attempt to "get back into the mainstream" or whatever.


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"Corgan and Chamberlin haven't made any plans together beyond the 24-date tour, set to end Aug. 9 in Nashville. "That's the only way it works for me," Chamberlin says. "I've got a commitment to LiveOne; that remains my priority right now."

Link:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/music/2015/06/24/smashing-pumpkins-billy-corgan-jimmy-chamberlin-tour/29157071/

Except for the boring pop rock part. But once you get past that...


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"Corgan and Chamberlin haven't made any plans together beyond the 24-date tour, set to end Aug. 9 in Nashville. "That's the only way it works for me," Chamberlin says. "I've got a commitment to LiveOne; that remains my priority right now."

Link:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/music/2015/06/24/smashing-pumpkins-billy-corgan-jimmy-chamberlin-tour/29157071/

Just more incentive for the fans to go out and check out the tour. It might be the last chance to see JC playing all the songs we love for awhile.

Even just imagining what JC might play to tracks like One and All and Tiberius gives me a raging hard-on.

Even just imagining what JC might play to tracks like One and All and Tiberius gives me a raging hard-on.

In the Periscope clip Billy said that he can't wait to hear what the Monuments songs sound like with Jimmy.

they will sound like shit

they will sound like shit
This. Jimmy's drumming won't make horribly written songs any better.

hi 5

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I, for one, cannot fucking wait for the fan-made bootleg 'Jimmy on Oceania' album

Yeah, I don't get why Jimmy doesn't play with better songwriters. For all his time in the music industry, he doesn't appear to have made contacts with good musicians. He could be a guy like Jim White, whose main band was Dirty Three, but who also played with Will Oldham, Bill Callahan, Cat Power, PJ Harvey, etc.
I still think Bill is a phenomenal rock songwriter. I think Jimmy's style pushes him a little bit so it has been lacking in comparison to old stuff lately, but still pretty strong. That being said, it would be pretty awesome to see Jimmy do an album with QOTSA or somebody a little more prog.

I hope Billy keeps up the periscoping when JC is there

I'd watch the fuck out of those soundchecks
Yes! Killer content strategy to release some clips of their practice jams ...

Well hot damn. I was going anyway because a) it's at Red Rocks and b) I still appreciate Billy's guitar and rock sensibilities in the live setting, but Jimbo on the drums is worth the price of admission alone. I was like WTF? when he announced yet another line-up ahead of a tour so close to the last one. I'm sure the One Direction/Daughtry guy was no slouch as a session drummer (maybe?), but yet another drummer butchering the SP legacy was too much. Thank god Jimmy is back - for now. Please record on the new album!

On another note, I know the band is a revolving door right now, but the drum parts are sacred. How would Rush be if they had a new drummer every year? The drums are on that level and there needs to be a permanent bad ass behind the kit to be taken seriously as SP.

It seems that there was no problem with Robin Diaz:

https://twitter.com/therobindiaz/status/613702922300338176

Me Vic and @jccomplex while I was in Chicago this happened!!! Welcome back to the Pumpkins as it should be!!!

As much as I'd love to jump on the hype train, Billy said in a VIP show a few days back that there is no drummer on the album.

....yet

I hope Billy keeps up the periscoping when JC is there

I'd watch the fuck out of those soundchecks

Has anyone figured out how to record Periscope clips?

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"Corgan and Chamberlin haven't made any plans together beyond the 24-date tour, set to end Aug. 9 in Nashville. "That's the only way it works for me," Chamberlin says. "I've got a commitment to LiveOne; that remains my priority right now."

Link:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/music/2015/06/24/smashing-pumpkins-billy-corgan-jimmy-chamberlin-tour/29157071/

JC could make D4N better in his sleep. Just record some of his live drums and redo the guitars and stuff over that.

This. Jimmy's drumming won't make horribly written songs any better.


Yes but a couple of the best riffs are stolen from the MCIS era, so it'll be pretty good

Has anyone figured out how to record Periscope clips?

I think the only way is using some screen capture program when viewing the archived ones online in a browser

go to periscope settings and a click autosave broadcasts.

JC could make D4N better in his sleep. Just record some of his live drums and redo the guitars and stuff over that.




Yes but a couple of the best riffs are stolen from the MCIS era, so it'll be pretty good

Yes and Yes. It will just be a fun musical experience to see Jimmy's interpretation of a few Monuments and Oceania songs. They would just be better. Even though it's Billy's vision, Jimmy really is his other half. He needs the push-pull to take his songs to the next level.

go to periscope settings and a click autosave broadcasts.

Isn't that to save your broadcasts?

....yet

Intensity intensifies.

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If Billy sings like a retard again, I still won't care

He has been singing like that since 1988.

Manson's most recent tour was fantastic and the pale emperor is his best since mechanical animals and is just really, really good.

it'd be cool if Jimmy rejoined proper, but instead of trying to assimilate into that arena rock sound again, actually drove the direction of the band into a sort of jazz-rock fusion combining Chamberlin's sensibilities with elements that sort of psyche/shoegaze/hard rock influence of the Pumpkins.



Yeah that would be great, and it would be easy to get excited, if only Zeitgeist never happened.

I should add I never paid attention to anything post mechanical animals because I never liked what I heard so I am no Manson fanboy or anything

^

If getting a damn visa wasn't such a long obnoxious process in brazil, I could've gone to Miami to watch them live (stretching my finances a bit thin... but whatevs)

Seeing as Corgan music these days either sounds like a pale retread of that sort of Siamese Dream-esque formula or just pop/adult contemporary shit in general, in an ideal world, it'd be cool if Jimmy rejoined proper, but instead of trying to assimilate into that arena rock sound again, actually drove the direction of the band into a sort of jazz-rock fusion combining Chamberlin's sensibilities with elements that sort of psyche/shoegaze/hard rock influence of the Pumpkins.

They did this and called it machina, and everyone hated it.

Everyone hated it? Machina went gold and gave them two hit songs.

stop posting

They did this and called it machina, and everyone hated it.

Machina a jazz/fusion album? :Skeptical

Machina a jazz/fusion album? :Skeptical

he specifically said chamberlains jazz fusion sensibilities coupled with the psyche/shoegaze/hard rock influence of SP. that's GATGC and a few other machina songs in a nutshell.

Also, when I say 'everybody hated it,' I mean no one got it. I don't think organs going down that road again.

Is Billy gonna bring his timpani?

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I still think Bill is a phenomenal rock songwriter. I think Jimmy's style pushes him a little bit so it has been lacking in comparison to old stuff lately, but still pretty strong. That being said, it would be pretty awesome to see Jimmy do an album with QOTSA or somebody a little more prog.

name one phenomenal song he's written since 2000

Jesus I / Mary Star of the Sea is one of my favorite BC songs but it's really more about the parts they came up with as a band

name one phenomenal song he's written since 2000

The Camera Eye

name one phenomenal song he's written since 2000

While not phenomenal, there were a handful on Zeitgeist that had the potential. They only suffered because of poor production and, IMO, the loss of James and D'arcy. Despite this they are def listenable.

So according to the new Periscope, JC's not playing not the new album, but he could 'stick around for some time later'

Billy's so far spent about 10 minutes gushing about Jim. Pretty cool to watch (but at the same time he's slagging off James and D'arcy which is kinda annoying)

So according to the new Periscope, JC's not playing not the new album, but he could 'stick around for some time later'

Billy's so far spent about 10 minutes gushing about Jim. Pretty cool to watch (but at the same time he's slagging off James and D'arcy which is kinda annoying)
Is it archived? What exactly did he say about jimmy?

I assume the typical James and Darcy stuff.

Billy (Periscope clip):

"Jimmy is just unbelievable."

"There's just something superhuman about him."

"Jimmy is capable of doing things you're not supposed to be able to do."

"I'm very very excited to be with my brother again in this."

So this was the day when Jimmy agreed to join the band for the summer tour >>>

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probably sarcastic, bitter, spiteful

Yeah Ram what I took from it was that Jimmy's involvement past the tour, which includes work on the new album, has not really been discussed. However, Billy recognizes Jimmy's commitment to his company. But to me there was no definite "no" to Jimmy on the new album.

except for the part when he said jimmy had nothing to do with the new album.

But he DID mention something along the lines of it not being discussed with Jimmy. There is a question mark in that column.

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Probably a better chance than that though tbh. But yes, a very small chance.

didn't carrey & her end up getting married in real life or somethin tho

yeah you neva know what's goin on behind the scenes, hehe! ;)

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Really, Billy? Asking the fans to recognize Jimmy's influence? Like... really?

Billy (Periscope clip):

"Jimmy is just unbelievable."

"There's just something superhuman about him."

"Jimmy is capable of doing things you're not supposed to be able to do."

"I'm very very excited to be with my brother again in this."


You're not supposed to be able to get stronger 3 hours into a concert

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it was probably the heroin tho

Billy sounds like a bf who just got back together with his ex on a temporary basis and is "taking it slow" because that's the condition of them sleeping together again but everyone knows he's already planning the wedding

And I hope it happens!

Billy really was needing a drummer indeed.

he specifically said chamberlains jazz fusion sensibilities coupled with the psyche/shoegaze/hard rock influence of SP. that's GATGC and a few other machina songs in a nutshell.

Also, when I say 'everybody hated it,' I mean no one got it. I don't think organs going down that road again.

I guess I just meant that Corgan should try doing something outside the box in general, and since Chamberlin mentioned recently that the way he drums now isn't really the sort of thing he was doing with the Pumpkins, and that even doing Zeitgeist felt alien to him, I was suggesting that Chamberlin bring the sort of sound he likes to do now to the table and sort of morph the Pumpkins sound in that direction.

But yeah, I don't think Corgan wants to try anything artsy or progressive again, because the last two ambitious albums he tried (Adore and Machina) weren't that well received, and now he's forever trying to recapture that early-'90s fame by trying to be as accessible as possible, and making middling rock music as a consequence. Even things that were ambitious in format (Teargarden's intended four-year one-song-at-a-time project) were pallid in content, with pretty shitty bubblegum songs and arena ballads. If I want MOR rock, I can just listen to Counting Crows or Bryan Adams or Train or something.

hi 5
hi 5, dude. keep on posting the truth, even if it's in joking manner, but your posts always seemed to be real, even if it made me laugh. That's something indeed. Jimmy won't make the songs better, unless people don't care about the lyrics.

I guess I just meant that Corgan should try doing something outside the box in general, and since Chamberlin mentioned recently that the way he drums now isn't really the sort of thing he was doing with the Pumpkins, and that even doing Zeitgeist felt alien to him, I was suggesting that Chamberlin bring the sort of sound he likes to do now to the table and sort of morph the Pumpkins sound in that direction.

But yeah, I don't think Corgan wants to try anything artsy or progressive again, because the last two ambitious albums he tried (Adore and Machina) weren't that well received, and now he's forever trying to recapture that early-'90s fame by trying to be as accessible as possible, and making middling rock music as a consequence. Even things that were ambitious in format (Teargarden's intended four-year one-song-at-a-time project) were pallid in content, with pretty shitty bubblegum songs and arena ballads. If I want MOR rock, I can just listen to Counting Crows or Bryan Adams or Train or something.

You mean, Loki Cat?

So now corgan's recognizing jimmy's role to the sound of the band, his importance, his role, etc.

If billy and James kiss and made up I wonder what nice things he'd say about him.

Billy sounds like a bf who just got back together with his ex on a temporary basis and is "taking it slow" because that's the condition of them sleeping together again but everyone knows he's already planning the wedding

This... is an absolute perfect analogy of Billy and Jimmy right now, especially after watching the latest video.

Seeing as Corgan music these days either sounds like a pale retread of that sort of Siamese Dream-esque formula or just pop/adult contemporary shit in general, in an ideal world, it'd be cool if Jimmy rejoined proper, but instead of trying to assimilate into that arena rock sound again, actually drove the direction of the band into a sort of jazz-rock fusion combining Chamberlin's sensibilities with elements that sort of psyche/shoegaze/hard rock influence of the Pumpkins. I feel like the only thing that would really make me interested in Corgan's output again is if he tried something innovative and artistic, like when he changed gears for Adore, instead of just spinning his wheels trying to do boring pop rock in a sad attempt to "get back into the mainstream" or whatever.


I think this is exactly what was happening in those 2008 shows... it was becoming this psychedelic-jazz-metal thing and nobody got it. I fuckin loved it though. Seriously, people still shit on the 20 minute Set the Controls cover, and most won't even listen to it or attempt to see it in any serious way. I thought it was fucking brilliant.

I'm gonna have to go this tour now, I admit it. I'm sad about it being a 75 minute set list that'll be more greatest hitsy, but seeing JC behind the kit.... this is can't miss. It'll have the same issues the 07-08 tours had - namely that it's not really the Smashing Pumpkins - but will be a hell of a good time.

How does it work with Manson though?

Can I just go late and skip his part?

name one phenomenal song he's written since 2000
Is Machina II 2000 or '01? It's pretty brilliant. All of Mary Star of the Sea. "Ma Belle" and "Stellar." I like the 1-2-3 at the end of Oceania in "The Chimera," "Inkless," and "Glissandra." "Freak" is a really good song.

I think this is exactly what was happening in those 2008 shows... it was becoming this psychedelic-jazz-metal thing and nobody got it. I fuckin loved it though. Seriously, people still shit on the 20 minute Set the Controls cover, and most won't even listen to it or attempt to see it in any serious way. I thought it was fucking brilliant.

I'm gonna have to go this tour now, I admit it. I'm sad about it being a 75 minute set list that'll be more greatest hitsy, but seeing JC behind the kit.... this is can't miss. It'll have the same issues the 07-08 tours had - namely that it's not really the Smashing Pumpkins - but will be a hell of a good time.
Holy shit man! I was going to say the same exact thing. They were really peaking as a unit then. They were experimenting and improvising, adding horns and messing with arrangements, progging out, and mixing crazy setlists with extended psychedelic jams and nobody got it. It was exactly what a fan of Billy's vision and a fan of the synergy between Billy and Jimmy would want and they got booed. That's when Billy became combative with the audience and got more press about being a dick.The irony is that when the new SP really began to gel and redefine themselves they imploded. I honestly thought they were going to become successful in the jam scene for a second after seeing them 6 or 7 times between 2007 and 2008

Think of Zeitgeist if Jimmy wasn't on it. Give "Ma Belle" and "Stellar" a listen and picture how any other drummer would kill those songs instead of propelling them the way JC does.

Is Machina II 2000 or '01? It's pretty brilliant. All of Mary Star of the Sea. "Ma Belle" and "Stellar." I like the 1-2-3 at the end of Oceania in "The Chimera," "Inkless," and "Glissandra." "Freak" is a really good song.

glass house shows

You guys are whining about Manson? Seriously? His newest album is one of the best of his career, one of the best rock albums released this year, and was a far better album than MTAE. His set will be awesome.

But yeah, I don't think Corgan wants to try anything artsy or progressive again, because the last two ambitious albums he tried (Adore and Machina) weren't that well received, and now he's forever trying to recapture that early-'90s fame by trying to be as accessible as possible, and making middling rock music as a consequence. Even things that were ambitious in format (Teargarden's intended four-year one-song-at-a-time project) were pallid in content, with pretty shitty bubblegum songs and arena ballads. If I want MOR rock, I can just listen to Counting Crows or Bryan Adams or Train or something.

It'll be interesting to hear the new album since there's no drummer and billy thinks its a "breakthru". itll probably just be really shitty EDM Imagine Dragons shit

.The irony is that when the new SP really began to gel and redefine themselves they imploded. I honestly thought they were going to become successful in the jam scene for a second after seeing them 6 or 7 times between 2007 and 2008

Completely agree. I used to imagine the kind of album they could have made if they'd gone into the studio in late 08/early 09 as a 9-piece, with 10 minute songs and a finished Gossamer to top it off...

i actually think the first Teargarden EP was kind of in that same headspace, but done as a solo act. It's after that failed to connect that the material got more and more retrograde. Oceania was a step backwards in terms of "progressive music" but was at least heartfelt and sounded like a band. MTAE is so crass, so thin. Nothing SP2 has recorded can hold a candle to the old stuff

Marilyn Manson just did an AMA session on REDDIT:

I'm quite excited if the rumors that Jimmy Chamberlain is back in the band are true. Hearing more of the original songs I first listened to for the Smashing Pumpkins, before I even had a band. Billy asked me if I knew any drummers, I guess he needed a replacement drummer, and on my flight home from France, i had a strange dream that I told him Jimmy Chamberlain, and then I woke up and saw that it was true.

So I don't know if that means that dreams come true, or if the flight was so long that something strange happened, and synchronicity brought it together.

It continues to be one of those years for me and a lot of people that are in my life that special synchronicity keeps happening, and I feel like it's going to continue to build.

Link:
http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/3b5foc/marilyn_manson_ama/

Billy sounds like a bf who just got back together with his ex on a temporary basis and is "taking it slow" because that's the condition of them sleeping together again but everyone knows he's already planning the wedding

^ This is perfect.

For all those wondering what kind of record Jimmy and Billy would've made together if Jimmy wasn't gone in 2009: the last song they recorded together was G.L.O.W.

The set the controls cover was a giant garbage pile and anyone who says otherwise is lying to him or herself

You guys are whining about Manson? Seriously? His newest album is one of the best of his career, one of the best rock albums released this year, and was a far better album than MTAE. His set will be awesome.

Yes. So many people are writing them off and I'm not sure why.

Listen to the pale emperor guys. Or at least third day of a seven day binge, killing strangers, and Cupid carries a gun

I love deep six but I can see how others may not. Whole album is pretty good. I'd probably say it's better than MTAE too.

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What's your point

For all those wondering what kind of record Jimmy and Billy would've made together if Jimmy wasn't gone in 2009: the last song they recorded together was G.L.O.W.

FOL came out after that

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Whole album is pretty good. I'd probably say it's better than MTAE too.

If you're not really sure if the album is better than MTAE so it's not that good at all.

FOL came out after that

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But fol was recorded before that. It's a z b-side. Not a good song anyway.

it's a terrific song

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I dig this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hez7yAj51vk#t=42

Terrific

If you're not really sure if the album is better than MTAE so it's not that good at all.

I enjoy both of them

it would be cool if jc left again after a show or two. IN A WHITE VAN.

For all those wondering what kind of record Jimmy and Billy would've made together if Jimmy wasn't gone in 2009: the last song they recorded together was G.L.O.W.

GLOW was a good song, and I loved the burned out hippy LSD acid trip binge Corgan was on.

Superchrist also ruled.

They were genuinely doing something new, and I liked that. shrug

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I'm putting together the proposed set today for the SP/MANSON tour. So if you have song suggestions now's the time. But... (Pt 1 of 2)</p>&mdash; William Corgan (@Billy) <a href="https://twitter.com/Billy/status/614424920777465857">26. Juni 2015</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Be mindful that we a/ like to cover music from every SP era b/ JC is back on drums and c/ we've only got 80 min + encores. USE <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PumpkinsTour?src=hash">#PumpkinsTour</a></p>&mdash; William Corgan (@Billy) <a href="https://twitter.com/Billy/status/614425491689336832">26. Juni 2015</a></blockquote>
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...and he retweeted this:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/Billy">@Billy</a> Wait....what? Did you say JC is back on drums?! I stumble out of my cave with new hope for the future....</p>&mdash; Marc M (@marcobrau) <a href="https://twitter.com/marcobrau/status/614426371780145152">26. Juni 2015</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/Billy">@Billy</a> Everlasting Gaze, Lucky 13, Cash Car Star, United States!!! ANY SONG WITH CRAZY ASS JIMMY DRUMMING!!</p>&mdash; Lenin (@UlyanovLenin) <a href="https://twitter.com/UlyanovLenin/status/614430505082220544">26. Juni 2015</a></blockquote>
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GLOW was a good song, and I loved the burned out hippy LSD acid trip binge Corgan was on.

Superchrist also ruled.

They were genuinely doing something new, and I liked that. shrug

Tell me how you do something new by using a riff from 1995 again?

FOL came out after that

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It's not a bad straightforward rock song, but it's missing the boost into the heavens that James tends to contribute

Whatever it is missing there, are FOL and GLOW good enough songs for all the excitement we got for Jimmy's comeback?

It happened before, and we got machina, Mary star of the sea, d.i.a. and Zeitgeist.

I'm not saying I'm not happy Jimmy's back. I'm just saying we won't get great albums if Billy, and only Billy, doesn't write brilliant music anymore.

Jimmy isn't some great equalizer. Zeitgeist was mediocre even with Jimmy. The drumming was good, but the songs and production weren't.

Billy/Jimmy/Jeff Schroeder = Smashing Jeffkins
Billy/Jimmy/James = Smashing Pumpkins

Jimmy isn't some great equalizer. Zeitgeist was mediocre even with Jimmy. The drumming was good, but the songs and production weren't.

Billy/Jimmy/Jeff Schroeder = Smashing Jeffkins
Billy/Jimmy/James = Smashing Pumpkins

Billy+Jimmy = Smashing Pumpkins - that's it.

Whatever it is missing there, are FOL and GLOW good enough songs for all the excitement we got for Jimmy's comeback?


he's playing a tour - that's good enough for excitement in my book.
A bunch of people who never got a chance to hear SP songs live with JC now have a chance. all these speculations about future releases seem pointless.

I seem to remember some of those 2006 shows got a good response, Jimmy was killing it, BC and JC seemed rejuvenated. If they can get some of that spark back again after taking a breather from each other for a few years, good enough for me. Never saw any other incarnation of the band other than the Oceania lineup; this is probably as good as it's going to get.

I'm just there to see him play, finally. Don't really care whether or not he can make any of the MTAE songs sound good. If he does, great. If not, I hardly think he can make them worse.

Jimmy isn't some great equalizer. Zeitgeist was mediocre even with Jimmy. The drumming was good, but the songs and production weren't.

Billy/Jimmy/Jeff Schroeder = Smashing Jeffkins
Billy/Jimmy/James = Smashing Pumpkins

You really hate d'arcy

Don't really care whether or not he can make any of the MTAE songs sound good. If he does, great. If not, I hardly think he can make them worse.

Are you fucking kidding me??? It's JC...he WILL make them sound better.

Jimmy isn't going to make the Monuments songs sound heaps better. Tommy Lee did a great job and his style was perfect for the record. I feel like I'm alone in this, but Zeitgeist/American Gothic sounded like Jimmy on autopilot. It was just such an uninspired period for everyone. And part of that was Billy having Yimmy as a crutch.

Jimmy isn't going to make the Monuments songs sound heaps better. Tommy Lee did a great job and his style was perfect for the record. I feel like I'm alone in this, but Zeitgeist/American Gothic sounded like Jimmy on autopilot. It was just such an uninspired period for everyone. And part of that was Billy having Yimmy as a crutch.

I could literally hear the album being held back by his simplistic parts

In regards to jim:


I think it wore me out. When Billy [Corgan] and I got back together as The Smashing Pumpkins to do Zeitgeist in 2007, it’d been seven years since our last record. During that time I’d done lots of other things, including my own record as the The Jimmy Chamberlin Complex. When I got back into trying to play Pumpkins music, I found I didn’t make the same choices, musically, that I used to. I had to go back and listen to a lot of songs and almost relearn how to play like that again, because I felt as a musician I’d moved on. My relationship with music just became really awkward. Every time I’d go into my studio to play, I’d be thinking, ‘what am I doing here? Was that just an intro to the next hit song? Am I writing here?’ There was always an agenda. So I just stopped playing. I had to stop. But there’s stuff I hear on records where I just cringe.

Hopefully he approaches it differently this time

somebody tweet this list to bills

song for a son
astral planes
widow wake my mind
a stitch in time
the fellowship
freak
spangled
lightning strikes

On another note, I know the band is a revolving door right now, but the drum parts are sacred. How would Rush be if they had a new drummer every year? The drums are on that level and there needs to be a permanent bad ass behind the kit to be taken seriously as SP.



true that. On another note, Rush is touring this summer as well and strong rumors are its their last one. They have too much class to announce a farewell tour, so...it could very well be.


guess my dream of a Jimmy SP opening for Rush will never come about. But then I could see both bands this summer. mehhh...

Whatever it is missing there, are FOL and GLOW good enough songs for all the excitement we got for Jimmy's comeback?

It happened before, and we got machina, Mary star of the sea, d.i.a. and Zeitgeist.

I'm not saying I'm not happy Jimmy's back. I'm just saying we won't get great albums if Billy, and only Billy, doesn't write brilliant music anymore.

All those albums are worlds better than the ones we got after. Even re-listening to FOL and Glow make me realize that those songs are much better than any of the Byrne era shit.

I think if Billy took the MTAE sensibilities with Jimmy behind the kit that it would definitely equate to something special.

Either way, I'm actually excited about an SP tour for the first time in quite some time. It feels good boys:banging:

Who's playing bass?

I doubt he can play Jimmy's parts.

Who's playing bass?


Peter Hook's (New order/joy division) son, Jack Bates:

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Dad's BB1200S. Dad's slinging height. dad's songs. I bet Hooky wasn't around much when he was a kid. looks just the fuck like him too except it took like 20 more years before hooky got that fat.

lol jack bates

WOW so cool, another Zeitgeist on the Horizon
can't wait

why cant nicole come back too?

why cant nicole come back too?

She never had good chemistry with Billy/SP.

It would be cool if Ginger came back.

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Billy mentioned on Periscope that he'll start rehearsing with Jimmy on Monday.

She never had good chemistry with Billy/SP.


She was a way better choice than Ginger, she had everything a skiing plonking bassist needs to have, and wrote great bass lines on Oceania. Billy, Nicole, Jeff, Jimmy would be an amazing band.

She never had good chemistry with Billy/SP.


She was a way better choice than Ginger, she had everything a Smashing Pumpkins bassist needs to have, and wrote great bass lines on Oceania. Billy, Nicole, Jeff, Jimmy would be an amazing band.

She was a way better choice than Ginger, she had everything a skiing plonking bassist needs to have, and wrote great bass lines on Oceania. Billy, Nicole, Jeff, Jimmy would be an amazing band.

Well, I disagree.

Peter Hook's (New order/joy division) son, Jack Bates:

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I'm looking forward to hear him play with SP. I loved Mark Stoermer but since he's back to playing with The Killers, Bates might fit in just fine.


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in case we'll see some periscoping of the rehearsals with JC - anybody plan to rip those and maybe upload it to youtube?

LOOKING AT YOU, fat elvis.

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what did you use to rip from periscope? I used some firefox addon but the sound is rather shitty.

in case we'll see some periscoping of the rehearsals with JC - anybody plan to rip those and maybe upload it to youtube?



Has anyone actually found out how to rip Periscope clips? Is there an iPhone app for that?

Oh yeah >>>

#readytorock
#readytorock
#readytorock

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Leaving Chicago LA bound Pumpkins rehearsals <a href="https://twitter.com/SmashingPumpkin">@SmashingPumpkin</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/Billy">@Billy</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/readytorock?src=hash">#readytorock</a> <a href="http://t.co/3mruGHevGw">pic.twitter.com/3mruGHevGw</a></p>&mdash; Jimmy Chamberlin (@jccomplex) <a href="https://twitter.com/jccomplex/status/614765854769721344">27. Juni 2015</a></blockquote>
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Has anyone actually found out how to rip Periscope clips? Is there an iPhone app for that?

Elvis obviously found a decent way. I don't use periscope on phone, only desktop.
since by now you can replay periscope also on desktop it's more convenient than staring
at videos on my cell phone.

but so far the addons I use to rip flash or embedded videos aren't working too well with periscope.

I mean if someone points me to the best desktop option to dl from periscope, I'll dl and youtube any JC we might see myself.

Has anyone actually found out how to rip Periscope clips? Is there an iPhone app for that?

Actually you can rip them off of the web because there is 24 hour webplay back for periscope now. I think you can record with quicktime.

You can record with quicktime on Mac, won't work with PCs though.

I just found an option in periscope to automatically save broadcasts to your camera roll. I'm not sure if that means just your own broadcasts or people you are following too. I haven't tried it yet.

I am thinking it is your own broadcasts.

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like they have two basses live but not one of them can be bothered to play the synth bassline so they don't have to have one? i mean there's like long gaps when nobody is playing anything and it's just a playback track. lame. There's no reason this band needs two basses. well i guess they wont anymore

They have two because it is his son and his son wants to play bass like his dad

Ok...you'll love JC's latest tweet:

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so the JC gets two days of LA rehearsals by himself or something? or at least without Bollmaster.

I so hope we really get to see some rehearsals. I'd love to hear JC forgetting drum parts haha.

By the way...that's his new Sakae kit. He tweeted this picture in May:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Thanks <a href="https://twitter.com/SakaeDrums">@SakaeDrums</a> for crafting this wonderful instrument for me. Every drum a masterpiece! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/purebirchtone?src=hash">#purebirchtone</a> <a href="http://t.co/EluWQ5U5hB">pic.twitter.com/EluWQ5U5hB</a></p>&mdash; Jimmy Chamberlin (@jccomplex) <a href="https://twitter.com/jccomplex/status/596463790662647808">7. Mai 2015</a></blockquote>
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I got into a discussion about sakae and JC after it was said that he had change endorsers again. they were appalled that they had never heard of this company and thought he must have fallen off the radar.

sakae built all of the custom drums for yamaha while JC was with them. they broke it off with yamaha to start their own company, JC left for DW, sakae grows and signs jimmy.

when did the yamaha endorsement end?

jimmy's cats are adorable.

i want to say he signed with DW in 2011 or so. It was shortly before skysaw went on tour

i used to watch this video a lot because it's awesome and i was there. first show with jimmy back and you can tell bill is really in to it. at 3:06 you can see how happy he is to have jimmy back. hopefully having him back will breathe new life in to bill again

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I wonder if they like to sleep in his bass drum :3

After a the initial rehearsing and first week or so of shows with Jimmy wrap up, I'd really love to hear or watch an interview with Billy in which he's forced to finally be honest and explain the train wreck that was the Mike Byrne era.

Q: You pushed out one of the greatest drummers of modern rock history to bring in a 19 year old kid who played like garbage. Now, Jimmy's back, reminding you of what you traded. What the fuck were you thinking?

A: Alright, so, it's like this...

MIKE BURNS OUT

A: Alright, so, it's like this...

"Just let me make this analogy. You wanna go to the circus, and to get into the circus it costs you five … pence. So, you stand in line, you don't have five pence, but you really wanna go to the circus. So someone comes along and says, "Well, I'll take you in the circus and I'll pay the five pence, but you gotta pay me back later." So, you go in the circus, they take you out. "Oh, OK, well, when you gonna pay me back?" "I don't know. I'll get around to it sooner or later." … That's the story of the band."

I wonder if they like to sleep in his bass drum :3

awww

I wonder how many kits he has set up at home. Maybe one per cat

After a the initial rehearsing and first week or so of shows with Jimmy wrap up, I'd really love to hear or watch an interview with Billy in which he's forced to finally be honest and explain the train wreck that was the Mike Byrne era.

Q: You pushed out one of the greatest drummers of modern rock history to bring in a 19 year old kid who played like garbage. Now, Jimmy's back, reminding you of what you traded. What the fuck were you thinking?

A: Alright, so, it's like this...

Someone ask him this at the VIP session

so the JC gets two days of LA rehearsals by himself or something? or at least without Bollmaster.

I so hope we really get to see some rehearsals. I'd love to hear JC forgetting drum parts haha.

haha yeah I'd love to watch them practice. The kit's all mic'd up, too, I wonder if they're recording it or something or just rehearsing the whole setup for the tour

Ok...you'll love JC's latest tweet:

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hnnnng.

Those toms look really shallow. The 14" is actually deeper than the one in the pic from May though.

He has his ride mounted up high again (and a second pair of hats), like during the SD/MCIS tours. Get hype

No china on the right side though. And I always thought it looked badass with a crash in the middle

i used to watch this video a lot because it's awesome and i was there. first show with jimmy back and you can tell bill is really in to it. at 3:06 you can see how happy he is to have jimmy back. hopefully having him back will breathe new life in to bill again

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Shit that was a hell of a performance!

I hope that whole thing comes out for the Machina reissue.

You really hate d'arcy

Not at all. She was the best bassist for the band by far and she was beautiful before her descent into drugs. I just doubt she would ever be back in the band again considering the state she is in now. I can see it happening with James maybe someday.

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Peter Hook's (New order/joy division) son, Jack Bates:


You know, I totally forgot this fact.

Isn't that saying something :o

interesting how the last couple of bassists have been male. is billy trying to stop living in the pass?

Not at all. She was the best bassist for the band by far and she was beautiful before her descent into drugs. I just doubt she would ever be back in the band again considering the state she is in now. I can see it happening with James maybe someday.

You don't know her, you don't know what state she is in.

interesting how the last couple of bassists have been male. is billy trying to stop living in the pass?

You would never say this if there was a white man on bass and he suddenly started using two women in a row.

You don't know her, you don't know what state she is in.well considering the info you can find about her (mostly on her facebook, even though she's pretty inactive), right now she's probably in michigan, living a normal life, and is done with playing music or anything that has to do with her past music career.

quite frankly, I think we're lucky being able to see bill and jimmy play together once again, and that's about it

That is not what they were saying and you know it.

"The state she is in now" "beautiful before drugs"

I wonder if this Bates guy is any good at singing. I noticed that Billy desperately needed some backup help during the Wilk tour. His voice is kinda weak as it is right now so it really helps for someone to harmonize with him. It was especially noticeable on songs like One and All were the falsetto harmonies play such a vital role in the chorus.

That is not what they were saying and you know it.

"The state she is in now" "beautiful before drugs"

You know absolutely nothing about her either, so your argument is invalid and dumb.

And judging by that radio interview she did circa 2009, how is it possible to not think she's still heavily using drugs?

And judging by that radio interview she did circa 2009, how is it possible to not think she's still heavily using drugs?

Because people often change lifestyles.

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It'd be nice to add a keyboardist again, too. The lack of backup vocals and a keyboardist are a double whammy resulting in the thin sound of the Wilk era. It'd be nice for Ginger and Lisa to come back, or Ginger and kris with their baby on bongos.

You know absolutely nothing about her either, so your argument is invalid and dumb.

My arguement is that people don't know her life.


And judging by that radio interview she did circa 2009, how is it possible to not think she's still heavily using drugs?

Bitch, you don't know her life. 2009 was a long time ago. How long did it take Jimmy to get back to the band after his third OD.


Because people often change lifestyles.

Bingo

It'd be nice to add a keyboardist again, too. The lack of backup vocals and a keyboardist are a double whammy resulting in the thin sound of the Wilk era. It'd be nice for Ginger and Lisa to come back, or Ginger and kris with their baby on bongos.

Pretty much this. I'm in the small minority (only me?) who think that Pumpkins 2.0 was stronger lineup than the original. The keys really helped for the textural, atmospheric stuff, and the Ginger/Lisa vocal combo is the best backup Billiam has ever had.

So they might be rehearsing right now...I wonder what song they started with.

'Hey Jimmy...let's start with Cash Car Star.' ...;)

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Man this thread is approaching 2006 levels of stupidity.

Man this thread is approaching 2006 levels of stupidity.

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Man this thread is approaching 2006 levels of stupidity.

I can't imagine who is responsible for this.