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Ram27
03-08-2015, 12:38 PM
Jimmy on the Snail intro:

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Jimmy during the Muzzle buildup (1:15:00:

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Jimmy speeds up the Doomsday Clock intro:

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D'arcy wrong notes on Obscured (8:40):

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Rairun
03-08-2015, 12:49 PM
What an asshole (during Obscured).

FoolofaTook
03-09-2015, 08:49 AM
is ur name ram as in thrusting or ram as in the male sheep?

just axing.

Ram27
03-09-2015, 09:09 AM
no

brutechinasky
03-09-2015, 09:54 AM
What an asshole (during Obscured).

i can't see the video right now but asking who would be a rhetorical question anyway

Butt Pope
03-09-2015, 10:12 AM
http://i.cdn.turner.com/asfix/repository//8a25c3920e3cd4c5010e3d2f005f006d/thumbnail_58101.jpg

LaBelle
03-09-2015, 10:14 AM
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Butt Pope
03-09-2015, 12:23 PM
Can y'all put times of the mistakes? Not feeling 41 minute shows to see three bloopers

LaBelle
03-09-2015, 12:24 PM
It's all one long mistake

dodoz
03-09-2015, 07:05 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgVGUXXVnag&t=3m41s

Classic one - D'arcy missing one note at 3:43 and so she stops singing to concentrate on the bass.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rd_q6CG7I8E&t=1h15m33s amateur shot, but can hardly be heard on that.

matcada
03-09-2015, 07:16 PM
There are several mistakes in D'Arcy's playing at the Eurockéennes 97 show (Porcelina is obvious)

Without talking about 99's shows where nearly each song has a mistake (last soundboard available)

dodoz
03-09-2015, 07:22 PM
Soundboard tapes make mistakes more obvious...

LaBelle
03-09-2015, 07:40 PM
Sometimes it's the slip ups that help bring a performance to life

Shallowed
03-09-2015, 07:52 PM
Snail in that first video is really nice with that thick SD tone

iPumpkin
03-09-2015, 10:47 PM
Snail is such a good fucking song. Even with that small tiff Jimmy still crushes it.

Ram27
03-09-2015, 11:38 PM
The hihat slurps sound particularly good in that video

dreams of glass
03-10-2015, 12:41 AM
D'arcy messes up the intro slightly, or comes in late (?), Billy looks over

then she turns around and walks to her amp, stops playing and stands there, Billy looks over again, then she turns around and starts playing
:rofl::rofl:
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Butt Pope
03-10-2015, 03:15 AM
It's all one long mistake

I get it

amoergosum
03-10-2015, 03:33 AM
D'Arcy at 1:01 >>>

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Mike Byrne at 0:09 >>>

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dreams of glass
03-10-2015, 03:38 AM
he's young

amoergosum
03-10-2015, 03:39 AM
he's young

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="de"><p>The most wonderful drummer in the world <a href="http://t.co/WvXGYylds7">pic.twitter.com/WvXGYylds7</a></p>&mdash; Billy Corgan (@Billy) <a href="https://twitter.com/Billy/status/349152649687494656">24. Juni 2013</a></blockquote>
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Butt Pope
03-10-2015, 03:41 AM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="de"><p>The most wonderful drummer in the world <a href="http://t.co/WvXGYylds7">pic.twitter.com/WvXGYylds7</a></p>&mdash; Billy Corgan (@Billy) <a href="https://twitter.com/Billy/status/349152649687494656">24. Juni 2013</a></blockquote>
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#billytroll

amoergosum
03-10-2015, 04:15 AM
#billytroll

http://www.bitcandy.com/img/plogs/BillyCorgan1-1361813675.jpg

amoergosum
03-10-2015, 05:52 AM
Timing issues...for example here Mike is suddenly slowing down...notice how Jeff looks at him (at 2:14) shortly afterwards >>>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8H9oavAhwbY#t=2m05s

http://i.imgur.com/gEnY2J1.gif

http://i.imgur.com/45ljREq.gif

dodoz
03-10-2015, 08:27 AM
https://ia902706.us.archive.org/35/items/tsp1996-04-27.em8.flac16/tsp1996-04-27.em8.d1t09.mp3

Billy's strained/sick voice ("By starlight" at 1:30) even if it's not a fuck up per se.

And something wrong with D'Arcy before this.

amoergosum
03-10-2015, 08:44 AM
Jimmy speeds up the Doomsday Clock intro

???

juliana
03-10-2015, 11:44 AM
D'arcy messes up the intro slightly, or comes in late (?), Billy looks over

then she turns around and walks to her amp, stops playing and stands there, Billy looks over again, then she turns around and starts playing
:rofl::rofl:
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I didn't see that, it looks like she realizes something is off and fixes something on her amp or whatever, then turns around and starts playing.

Ram27
03-10-2015, 11:57 AM
???

The second pair of cymbal hits have much less space between them than the first pair

The roll sounds vaguely off as well

It's not like that on the record

amoergosum
03-10-2015, 12:36 PM
The second pair of cymbal hits have much less space between them than the first pair


Nope, I don't hear it.
That clip makes absolutely no sense in this thread.

Slurpee
03-10-2015, 03:04 PM
Snail in that first video is really nice with that thick SD tone

Yeah the tone there is so gorgeously brutal.

Grox
03-10-2015, 03:49 PM
3:45

"Oh that was SPLENDID! That was great! Wow. You guys rock...James, you learn some new jazz chords in there?"

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Slurpee
03-10-2015, 05:51 PM
Does Billy go into the audience during that clip? I've never seen him do that...

The exploding boy
03-10-2015, 06:10 PM
What an asshole (during Obscured).

the thing is when someone fucks up live you just keep going until they figure it out which usually they will. Stopping is unprofessional.

I mean even the most seasoned of seasoned bands will probably at some point during a show mess one or two things up. Most of the time nobody will notice (or care much anyway) unless you end up holding the wrong note for like several seconds.....OR making everybody stop to be like omg what is this?

And then that last clip just above. Wow. He deserves to have no band and to not be selling and to not be celebrated to the breath of his accomplishments....in this culture. Fucking asshole. When you look at shit like this you realize that the fact that James hasnt talked to him again in like 15 years might actually make him the better human being in the whole band.

slunken
03-10-2015, 09:01 PM
I was really nervous before a show one time but the band that went on before us had the most epically bad show I've ever seen. They stopped no less than three times. They only played something like 6 songs total and they just kept stopping after 30 or 40 seconds of complete confusion. The whole time they were just looking at each other like they had never practiced together before. This was not some high school band either. It was Saturday night at a respectable bar and the band looked mid twenties with all the correct hipster costumes like they should know what they were doing. Needless to say, it was easy act to follow.

To top it off, the guitarist somehow got our number and called us on the way home and asked us if we accidentally picked up a really nice Gretsch guitar they had (which was the only pleasant thing about their band). We of course didn't, but they got the guitar stolen after that awful show just to prove that God hates them.

that was me with the gretsch in an alt timeline i think

sorry bout that

dodoz
03-10-2015, 10:50 PM
I just looooove this full session... :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_DFTwa_URE&t=3m20s

Ram27
03-10-2015, 11:39 PM
Timing issues...for example here Mike is suddenly slowing down...notice how Jeff looks at him (at 2:14) shortly afterwards >>>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8H9oavAhwbY#t=2m05s



Haha it's in the comedy section

houseofglass11
03-11-2015, 01:35 AM
This performance of Tristessa. Billy rings out a D chord like the beginning of 'Bury Me' and then Jimmy gets confused and starts the 'Bury Me' beat while the rest of the band starts playing Tristessa. He catches it quick though.


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Grox
03-11-2015, 02:40 AM
Stopping in the middle of a song is not only unprofessional, t's completely counter-intuitive and damages the way people think about you that would've otherwise never noticed D'arcy's bum notes, and they wouldn't have had first hand personal experience of Billy's dictator dickishness. Obviously these issues are deep-rooted, because billco has always been a smart businessman in other areas, but every now and then he just lets his complete and utter contempt for his bandmates spew out. pretty vicious. how un-self aware do you have to be to not see that insulting your bandmates like a schoolyard bully in front of thousands of your fans is one of the dumbest things you can do as a musician/entertainer/public person.

teh b0lly!!1
03-11-2015, 09:48 AM
Jimmy on the Snail intro:

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what i love so much about this is that jimmy made a mistake, billy tried to make it pass by following him though a bit late, and then there was a slight pause, and they punch back together in totally perfect time.

it's in completey free time! that's exactly what an incredible connection between two musicians is about.

Funbags
03-11-2015, 11:14 AM
Does Billy go into the audience during that clip? I've never seen him do that...

Drugs. Billy seriously needs 'em.

He's acting pretty similar to that South American show that was sponsored by a cigarette company. Maybe he found some antique 'ludes.

Copperpot5
03-11-2015, 11:23 AM
..

Copperpot5
03-15-2015, 03:14 AM
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47sec

dreams of glass
03-15-2015, 03:29 AM
^^^

haha

shit happens I guess

at least he laughs about it

teh b0lly!!1
03-15-2015, 04:19 AM
is it only hilarious to me to see the "pumpkins" play with a tall bearded jesus dude for a bass player?

amoergosum
03-15-2015, 04:21 AM
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47sec



Pathetic >>>

http://i.imgur.com/7GAlP0Y.png

teh b0lly!!1
03-15-2015, 04:31 AM
yeah i find it appalling too

amoergosum
03-15-2015, 04:57 AM
yeah i find it appalling too

>>>

http://i.imgur.com/OjLkmKu.png

Funbags
03-15-2015, 11:13 AM
is it only hilarious to me to see the "pumpkins" play with a tall bearded jesus dude for a bass player?

D'arcy sure looks different these days.

panda show
03-15-2015, 12:21 PM
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47sec-AAAAKEDOWN NINETY-SEEEVEE-NIIIIII-EEE

I guess we could call the whole song a fuck up, because he sounds absolutely terrible here

dodoz
03-15-2015, 12:25 PM
What a fucking awful show. Are the "Pumpkins" going to fall so low they're going to have to play the casino circuit like Boyz II Men or Styx ?

amoergosum
03-15-2015, 12:44 PM
What a fucking awful show.

Awful performance >>>

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Ram27
03-15-2015, 01:23 PM
Billy doesn't even give a shit anymore...look at his face 0:55

The guitar and vocals remind of that awful Umphrey Mgee's cover...but with worse drums

It's just so far removed from the SD version in so many ways, what's the point anymore? I love how every iteration of the band gets worse and worse so you miss the previous version

I like how so many people in the crowd have a camera on a stick

They're probably all getting in each other's way

pavementtune
03-15-2015, 01:30 PM
I love how every iteration of the band gets worse and worse so you miss the previous version



I love how you keep saying that while you've never seen them live.
going by a messy show on youtube you judge the quality of an entire line-up.

granted, this lolla show didn't sound that great, but they did sound great between the first show in Chicago last fall and the December gigs. whatever went wrong here isn't enough to say "yea this line up is so much worse than Mikey bambam and Nicole."

amoergosum
03-15-2015, 01:56 PM
Here's the full show >>>

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HereIsNoWhy4U
03-15-2015, 05:16 PM
Here's the full show >>>

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That "United States" sounds like a high-school band version of the original song.

Ram27
03-15-2015, 07:29 PM
I love how you keep saying that while you've never seen them live.
going by a messy show on youtube you judge the quality of an entire line-up.

granted, this lolla show didn't sound that great, but they did sound great between the first show in Chicago last fall and the December gigs. whatever went wrong here isn't enough to say "yea this line up is so much worse than Mikey bambam and Nicole."

No, but I haven't seen the original lineup live either, or the Oceania era one. Seeing them all on youtube cancels that out.

houseofglass11
03-15-2015, 11:35 PM
Awful performance >>>

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Brad Wilk just doesn't have the right feel to play a song like that. He's more of a straight ahead hard rock drummer, doesn't have that jazzy swing that JC is so good at.

The guitar tone sounds pretty bad on that performance. Sounds too clean like they're using a tubescreamer into a clean amp. Doesn't have the saturation a song like that needs.

You can tell Jeff is phoning it in big time.

Ram27
03-15-2015, 11:50 PM
The guitar sounds so shallow and sloppy

I think the whole thing is mixed really badly but still

(Oh and I like how much they artificially pump up the crowd noise when Billy starts his solo @ 3:42)

Whenever they play BWBW it's really noticeable too during the chorus. There's no warmth to anything.


________________________

The other day I was watching this

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and for the first time it really made me realize how important D'arcy was to the band. That bass tone is so Pumpkins-y...it's legato and smooth and warm and groovy



I mean that is just a cover band playing at Lolla 2015 for all intents and purposes

teh b0lly!!1
03-16-2015, 08:39 AM
holy shit discovering Brad Wilk is in SP is news to me
i can't be bothered to give a shit about this band anymore

just goes to show you what a black hole sp has become. Wilk is such a great fucking drummer. so powerful. he sounds weak and lame with sp. guess you can't add muscle to a piece of shit

teh b0lly!!1
03-16-2015, 08:46 AM
http://i58.tinypic.com/16l9xu0.jpg

dodoz
03-16-2015, 11:32 AM
It does sound like a cover band. Billy has to know they totally suck.

It's funny how some people on social network went "oh, but the sound is bad", as if it was a huge criterion :rofl:. Uh, there are old shows that sound like shit, recorded with a walkman or whatever, that i listen with more pleasure than this (and it's far from being unlistenable). This performance is poor, lackluster, no matter what the sound quality is.

James
03-16-2015, 01:54 PM
This live incarnation is unlikable and embarrassing. The exact opposite of what I would call inspired performances. I feel bad for Corgan because I know he is better than this. Just cashing the checks.

Butt Pope
03-16-2015, 02:37 PM
Billy's voice sounds weak as shit.

Funbags
03-16-2015, 07:19 PM
The tempo of Wilk's drumming on that performance of 1979 was all over the place. I've never actually seen any previous SP drummer play that beat with the hi-hat syncopation...it's always straight 8th notes or whatever.

He created his own brand of sugar-free lemonade though, so I'll let it slide.

Ram27
03-16-2015, 09:45 PM
^Agreed

I...does he not get why Jimmy is so good? It's almost not fair to expect anyone else to pull of a worthy version of United States/Cherub Rock/Tonight/etc to the level of being a professional musician as a member of the mighty SP. But I suppose that doesn't mean much anymore does it

Today is a really simple straightforward rock song...it's even on Guitar Hero. And it's a hit. Why not play that?

you would think BC would stick to a setlist that didn't have many signature 'jimmy moments'

Today, 1979, Love, Lily, all of Adore, Oceania, MTAE, Rocket, Disarm, Mayonaise, Luna, Sweet Sweet, Soma (maybe), Daydream, Obscured, Soothe, Blew Away, Plume, Pennies would be cool live, Meladori Magpie, Zero probably, 33, Beautiful, With Every Light has a cool beat but it's not rocket science...

Lots of good stuff in there

Ram27
03-16-2015, 09:52 PM
Is Billy honestly believing that that lineup is playing worthy renditions of those songs?

I almost hope he's just trying to get paid

amoergosum
03-17-2015, 08:48 AM
That "United States" sounds like a high-school band version of the original song.


...now check out this version...yeah >>>

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dodoz
03-17-2015, 12:03 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Lzup9rxLAI&t=1m53s

reprise85
03-17-2015, 06:29 PM
united states sounds terrible. why the fuck would they play a song like that with a dude who uses a two tom kit? the essential thing about the original is the tremendous amount of drum sounds

jimmy drevpile
03-17-2015, 06:54 PM
That United States is a complete and utter disgrace on the drums.

Ram27
03-17-2015, 08:40 PM
united states sounds terrible. why the fuck would they play a song like that with a dude who uses a two tom kit? the essential thing about the original is the tremendous amount of drum sounds

I don't know why both him and Mikey B are using a one rack tom//two floor tom setup

You can never really get all the way over to the right that frequently in order to make that other drum really useful. I get that it allows better ride placement but there's less options for most fills and when you have 1/2 or 1/3 of JC's toms, it's not going to be a great rendition of US or Silverfuck or Set the Ray or whatever

reprise85
03-17-2015, 08:58 PM
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no comment on the performance, the recording is too shitty. but it's hilarious to hear an entire audience clapping along to and singing "it's you that i adore, you will always be my whore"

houseofglass11
03-18-2015, 01:32 AM
I think what it is with Brad Wilk is that he's such an "in the pocket" drummer that it sounds strange with SP's music. He keeps really steady time and never wavers from the meter, whereas Jimmy would push the beat more and would vary the tempo more as he sped up on certain parts.

I thought the performance of 'United States' was actually one of the stronger ones there. Wilk did a decent job and sounded great on the latter part of the song when they went into the metal jam.

teh b0lly!!1
03-18-2015, 04:07 AM
...now check out this version...yeah >>>

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GOD what an incredible performance
especially Jimmy. definitely one of the all time greatest drummers

teh b0lly!!1
03-18-2015, 04:12 AM
what's amazing to me with Jimmy is that even though i KNOW what a monster of a drummer he is, he keeps surprising me occasionally. like, now i watched this United States video, and they played the ending like 5 times faster, and he did that blast beat thing so effortlessly.
and when i heard it on the record i thought 'wow i didn't know he could do that'!
you hear him going crazy on those records and then you see him not miss a single beat when he does it 10 times faster, it's just crazy

Ram27
03-18-2015, 08:29 AM
It's crazy when they play Cherub Rock fast and he just nails that outro without ever going a shit

Or the fast singles in the middle of Quiet when they speed that up live

_____________________

I wish Chrysanthemum was recorded and popularized because that is an incredible drum track he wrote

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfaeOnSHq2c

Check out dat fill at 3:13

Funbags
03-18-2015, 10:26 AM
GOD what an incredible performance
especially Jimmy. definitely one of the all time greatest drummers

Even Ginger is rocking the bass hard. She sounds like MADM here.

amoergosum
03-18-2015, 11:47 AM
GOD what an incredible performance
especially Jimmy. definitely one of the all time greatest drummers

This performance is also pretty awesome (same show) >>>

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fuzzyroes
03-22-2015, 09:42 AM
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I was just watching this concert the other day... totally lifeless and flat. Wilk really doesn't sound good here and Billy desperately needs someone to sing back-ups to harmonize with him. A keyboard player like Lisa Harrington that would play keys and sing would be a godsend to this line-up.

Also this set-list is super mellow and lame too.

fuzzyroes
03-22-2015, 09:44 AM
I was listening to a 1979 bootleg with Wilk a week or so ago that sounded awesome and I was definitely encouraged...

But he just blows when it's the more up-tempo stuff... And I sorta get the feeling Billy's purposely sticking with the mellow, simple songs because of that.

Shallowed
03-22-2015, 11:13 AM
you suck more

Ram27
03-22-2015, 11:16 AM
They can't even do mellow right

thedeadofnight
03-23-2015, 05:03 AM
God, that version of Cherub Rock was absolutely awful. That first verse, how laggy does the tempo get? It's embarrassing to listen to. The groove is completely missing from the whole song.

Ram27
03-23-2015, 10:33 AM
tbh the groove has been missing since the SD tour

Performances get worse the the further away it is from the original release

Even with the original lineup


But yeah the groove is quadruple gone here

fuzzyroes
03-24-2015, 04:44 AM
i've always thought wilk was a good solid drummer, but the more recent performances i see of particular songs the more i think tommy lee would have likely made for a better lineup.. wilk just seems like he's struggling on songs like united states, tonight, and yes even 1979 for some strange reason.. heavy metal machine is just a complete embarrassment, you would think BC would stick to a setlist that didn't have many signature 'jimmy moments', because he can hang pretty well with the new songs and a handful of others..

Tommy Lee would have been much better. He plays with an energy and enthusiasm... Listening to Wilk just sounds so subdued and flat. They're these energetic songs and he's just lightly using the ride, slow and steady without any character.

Byrne sucked cause he was way too sloppy and all over the place, Wilk sucks because he's just too plain jane and it doesn't work with SP at all. They're like the 2 opposite ends of the spectrum in a terrible way.

I definitely expected a lot better outta Wilk.

fuzzyroes
03-24-2015, 04:49 AM
God, that version of Cherub Rock was absolutely awful. That first verse, how laggy does the tempo get? It's embarrassing to listen to. The groove is completely missing from the whole song.

It's bad... And it's like that for the whole concert. What's worse is that the set list is terrible because it seems like Billy's just picking songs that he feels Wilk will have an easy time with and then you just end up with the stereotypical snoozers.

I realize that festival crowds still wanna hear the songs like Tonight tonight, Disarm, 1979, stand inside your love which is fine... But when you put those songs all together in the heart of the setlist surrounded by stripped down monuments songs it makes for a lousy experience.

What's even more odd is that from my understanding, Jimmy left the band because he didn't wanna put up with the busy schedule of the band and that he wanted to spend time with his families... BUT... if Billy was just doing the odd festival and club gigs like he is with this lineup I actually think Jimmy would have been down to participate.

Mals Marola
03-24-2015, 07:37 AM
can't tell if the backlash against wilk & co. pumpkins is just a fuzzy thing at this point or a more widespread phenomenon, i remember the reaction being really positive when they were just starting up

listening to the chile thing now, still more preferrable than the "oceania crew"
my thoughts on this era still stand

yeah it'd be great if jimmy came back around, even just for a show or two, but right now there is a very "billy + session musicians" feel which is honestly probably how he's actually wanted things for a long time now

pavementtune
03-24-2015, 08:00 AM
i remember the reaction being really positive when they were just starting up



yep, mainly from folks who were actually at a gig or at least bothered to listen to one of the good shows of this line-up on LMA.
this however is the "we found the average-to-shitty gigs on youtube and now declare the entire line-up to be worse than the prior ones" thread. that's a widespread phenomenon...

I have yet to hear that they sucked from a single person who saw this line-up live, compared to bambam and Nicole oceanianing.

Ram27
03-24-2015, 10:16 AM
What's even more odd is that from my understanding, Jimmy left the band because he didn't wanna put up with the busy schedule of the band and that he wanted to spend time with his families... BUT... if Billy was just doing the odd festival and club gigs like he is with this lineup I actually think Jimmy would have been down to participate.

I think a significant aspect of JC leaving was that he was done with the way Billy was treating fans, selling out, and overall mismanaging the SP b(r)and

I can no longer commit all of my energy into something that I don't fully possess. I won't pretend I'm into something I'm not. I won't do it to myself, you the fan, or my former partner. I can't just, 'Cash the check' so to speak.

And/or he was just burnt out from playing so much rock stuff and wanted to settle down


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I really hope if JC ever comes back, he records an album and they primarily play that live. Or they don't tour at all. Going around playing Cherub Rock and Tonight overly legitimatizes SP5.0

amoergosum
03-24-2015, 12:45 PM
And/or he was just burnt out from playing so much rock stuff and wanted to settle down


>>>

“I’ve got an identity behind the drum set, for better or for worse.
I certainly think that what I play all starts to sound the same.”

“This is a genuine concern of yours?

“Absolutely. I mean, of course it’s important to have your
own identity as a musician, but I think you can wear it out.”

“So did you wear it out?”

“I think it wore me out. When Billy [Corgan] and I got
back together as The Smashing Pumpkins to do Zeitgeist in
2007, it’d been seven years since our last record. During that
time I’d done lots of other things, including my own record
as the The Jimmy Chamberlin Complex. When I got back
into trying to play Pumpkins music, I found I didn’t make
the same choices, musically, that I used to. I had to go back
and listen to a lot of songs and almost relearn how to play
like that again, because I felt as a musician I’d moved on.
My relationship with music just became really awkward.
Every time I’d go into my studio to play, I’d be thinking,
‘what am I doing here? Was that just an intro to the next
hit song? Am I writing here?’ There was always an agenda.
So I just stopped playing. I had to stop. But there’s stuff I
hear on records where I just cringe.”

in a rock context, as much as I
love what rock has given me, there’s not really much I think
I could do anymore.”

Source:
http://static1.squarespace.com/static/53afcd8be4b0f6113496b34f/t/54c0861ee4b0c9e8d59e4a29/1421903390705/TDJ-Issue-Eight.pdf

Grox
03-24-2015, 01:09 PM
i saw them play in new york. it was fucking great. saw the oash lineup 3 times. fucking terrible every time.

dodoz
03-24-2015, 05:19 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytuA6ZB7FNA&t=2m52s

Billy starts off the riff OK, but James comes in off beat.

thedeadofnight
03-24-2015, 05:40 PM
yep, mainly from folks who were actually at a gig or at least bothered to listen to one of the good shows of this line-up on LMA.
this however is the "we found the average-to-shitty gigs on youtube and now declare the entire line-up to be worse than the prior ones" thread. that's a widespread phenomenon...

I have yet to hear that they sucked from a single person who saw this line-up live, compared to bambam and Nicole oceanianing.

I was at the London show for the BBC taping and it was literally like a cover band. I think the posture of Billy and Jeff doesn't help. They look like they don't want to be there, so boring to sit through. Billy always says "there's no explosions during our show, just music" but he's so lifeless on stage that it's hard to get excited about anything that's going on.

slunken
03-24-2015, 06:37 PM
yep, mainly from folks who were actually at a gig or at least bothered to listen to one of the good shows of this line-up on LMA.

I have yet to hear that they sucked from a single person who saw this line-up live, compared to bambam and Nicole oceanianing.

but to be fair you have to remember that anyone still attending sp shows or rabidly downloading new performances in 2015 already has issues.

Ram27
04-07-2015, 12:04 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4N-DK6v9Oc

8:32 D'arcy comes in on the last note way too early

andrewface
04-07-2015, 01:45 AM
There's a wicked billy voice crack near the end of live version of blank page on the adore deluxe reissue.

HereIsNoWhy4U
04-07-2015, 03:13 PM
you're autistic bro

Agreed.

Ram27
04-07-2015, 08:35 PM
http://i.imgur.com/kxO6kuw.gif

Ram27
04-19-2015, 12:19 PM
38:40

Jimmy drops a stick (then recovers within like two beats)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzfAT3V6RzU

DemonUnicorns
04-19-2015, 02:33 PM
Thanks for keeping this thread alive Ram, I quite enjoy these.

Edit: And Jimmy got a new stick so flawlessly, it's like he didn't even miss a beat.

Ihaguitar
04-19-2015, 02:56 PM
He just seems to pluck it out of the air.

DemonUnicorns
04-19-2015, 03:56 PM
Yeah it's ridiculous.

Ram27
07-07-2015, 05:53 PM
At 0:28 in Zero, after the flams, Jimmy plays on the ride for a couple beats before switching to the hihat

https://archive.org/details/tsp2007-07-16.dpa4061.mt.flac16

Ram27
07-07-2015, 06:15 PM
<iframe width="420" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/PggDfvlQlfY" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

This is actually really watchable now that I know Jimmy's back

weird innit

darby
07-07-2015, 11:04 PM
http://i.imgur.com/45ljREq.gif

i hate this

darby
07-07-2015, 11:06 PM
i don't think there's any footage but if i remember correctly mike hit a drum mic on accident and billy stopped and was like "jimmy never hit a mic" or something like that. i wish i could remember when this was

Ram27
07-14-2015, 12:09 AM
Jimmy can't keep up on the Cherub Rock outro 4:10

https://archive.org/details/tsp1993-12-11.flac16

Oh and Billy fucks up at 0:08

Funbags
07-14-2015, 07:22 AM
but to be fair you have to remember that anyone still attending sp shows or rabidly downloading new performances in 2015 already has issues.

:rofl:

Mals Marola
07-14-2015, 07:24 AM
i hate this

it's fucking hilarious

i don't even know why

SlingeroGuitaro
07-14-2015, 07:39 AM
the jimmy stick thing isnt that impressive. if you practice for hours youre going to drop a stick and get good at grabbing another one. its pretty basic for even a mid-level drummer.

there is actually a monte video from one of the SF residencies where loses a stick- flies behind him and almost hits lisa in the head

Rider
07-14-2015, 07:47 AM
Ram27 serious question.

How many hours of your day are devoted to looking at pics and youtube clips of Jimmy?

SlingeroGuitaro
07-14-2015, 07:52 AM
you have weird fucking friends, monte.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/DRRB9aviEaI" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>


why is the fat chick stuck in the back?

Ram27
07-14-2015, 01:49 PM
I have a soft spot in my heart for this girl so I of course surrender to her request.

Kristy then came over to my home where we spent 9+ hours editing and encoding.

They spent 10 HOURS on that

pineapple*soul
07-15-2015, 08:52 AM
One of the shittiest things BC ever did was in one of the interviews for Zeitgeist. He's going on about how Jimmy's drumming on United States was an awesome one-take testament to his incredible ability and would be one of those pinnacles of his recording career, and then he drops 'and there's only one mistake in there, one mistimed note' (paraphrasing).

Jimmy just looks at him like, 'are you for fucking serious... you fuck'

Ram27
10-16-2017, 05:50 PM
rocket, 1:55, bill sings 'the moon is out' line twice

https://ia801404.us.archive.org/2/items/tsp1993-08-25.flac16/tsp1993-08-25d1t02.flac

Ram27
06-18-2018, 02:41 AM
1:42 in Mayonaise, James turns on his distortion a measure late. Actually sounds really pretty like this

https://archive.org/download/tsp1994-04-17.flac16/tsp1994-04-17t15.mp3

Ram27
06-18-2018, 02:42 AM
One of the shittiest things BC ever did was in one of the interviews for Zeitgeist. He's going on about how Jimmy's drumming on United States was an awesome one-take testament to his incredible ability and would be one of those pinnacles of his recording career, and then he drops 'and there's only one mistake in there, one mistimed note' (paraphrasing).

Jimmy just looks at him like, 'are you for fucking serious... you fuck'

this sounds like a typical corgan joke tbh

brothahi4L
06-18-2018, 03:46 AM
Full of energy but billy plays and sings like a hoe.

Still thats how bullet should be sung. Fuckn old boring billy boy. How he sang it on tv 2018 was embarrassing


https://youtu.be/jZI1Pl8fw7s

inkless
06-18-2018, 08:06 AM
http://forums.netphoria.org/showthread.php?t=182421&page=4


first On arching autobahn= Through blistered Avalon

amoergosum
06-18-2018, 08:41 AM
https://youtu.be/jZI1Pl8fw7s



https://i.imgur.com/SxAlKHI.gif

amoergosum
06-18-2018, 08:46 AM
https://youtu.be/jZI1Pl8fw7s



...one of his best screams...cued up:


<iframe width="560" height="317" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/jZI1Pl8fw7s?start=199" frameborder="0" allow="autoplay; encrypted-media" allowfullscreen></iframe>

smashingjj
06-18-2018, 09:32 AM
SMASHING PUMPKIN

Run To Me
06-18-2018, 12:46 PM
When i saw this bumped i was sure it would be bill’s singing the entire first verse of SMASHING PUMPKINS FIRST SMASH HIT HARD ROCK SONG IN OVER 40 YEARS TO FEATURE (ALMOST) EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THE ORIGINAL BAND MEMBERS THE CHURNING AND RAW SOLARA out of key on Fallon last week

Ram27
06-19-2018, 12:40 AM
...one of his best screams...cued up:


<iframe width="560" height="317" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/jZI1Pl8fw7s?start=199" frameborder="0" allow="autoplay; encrypted-media" allowfullscreen></iframe>

holy fuck that was intense

Ram27
06-19-2018, 12:40 AM
cued up

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/HMTcaUgf-K8" frameborder="0" allow="autoplay; encrypted-media" allowfullscreen></iframe>

johncg
06-19-2018, 01:07 AM
https://i.imgur.com/SxAlKHI.gif

fappin the bass

houseofglass11
06-19-2018, 03:17 AM
Hottt

brothahi4L
06-19-2018, 06:29 AM
Full of energy but billy plays and sings like a hoe.

Still thats how bullet should be sung. Fuckn old boring billy boy. How he sang it on tv 2018 was embarrassing


https://youtu.be/jZI1Pl8fw7s

Look how apathetically he sings the songs in the last years.
Knowing this, the new EP is gonna suck. Hopefully Bill allowed Iha to bea heard in the mix