View Full Version : Black/blue or white/gold?


Eulogy
02-26-2015, 09:31 PM
http://www.buzzfeed.com/catesish/help-am-i-going-insane-its-definitely-blue

Shallowed
02-26-2015, 09:35 PM
What the hell is going on here, how are people seeing it as different colours?

To me it's clearly black and blue, anything else would be like saying that bananas are purple or something.

Sonic Johnny
02-26-2015, 09:39 PM
And i'm seeing it clear as day as white and gold and no matter how hard i look I can't get it to change. What the fuck.

Shallowed
02-26-2015, 09:40 PM
Euls you should have made this a poll

Sonic Johnny
02-26-2015, 09:44 PM
I just showed this to one of my housemates and she was adamant that it's blue and an off-green brown colour.

Trotskilicious
02-26-2015, 09:44 PM
its just bad lighting, probs white

yo soy el mejor
02-26-2015, 09:47 PM
ochre & nacre

Eulogy
02-26-2015, 10:00 PM
It's definitely black and blue.

slunken
02-26-2015, 10:09 PM
white and gold what

sppunk
02-26-2015, 10:09 PM
White and gold.

The white has a hue that o guess some can say blue. If that's black I was raised as an inner city kid without parents.

TuralyonW3
02-26-2015, 10:12 PM
This is just a thing where people fuck with each other right?

slunken
02-26-2015, 10:13 PM
This is just a thing where people fuck with each other right?

i'm pretty sure someone is going to end up getting called "gay"

Eulogy
02-26-2015, 10:17 PM
This is just a thing where people fuck with each other right?

I tried to think of how that could be possible and I don't think it can be.

I'm just surprised a correct and logical explanation hasn't floated to the top of the Internet by now.

sppunk
02-26-2015, 10:19 PM
https://twitter.com/oxygenplug/status/571126163998941185 says it isn't available in white /gold

Trotskilicious
02-26-2015, 10:21 PM
glad we got to the bottom of #colorgate

its abt ethics

Lucky Day Spa
02-26-2015, 10:21 PM
it's a white and gold dress shot under low blue light

the actual depicted colours are not white and gold

Sonic Johnny
02-26-2015, 10:22 PM
I just got to Uni and showe this I some of my classmates and now there's a large-scale argument occurring

Eulogy
02-26-2015, 10:24 PM
it's a white and gold dress shot under low blue light

the actual depicted colours are not white and gold

Does that explain why people perceive it so differently?

TuralyonW3
02-26-2015, 10:25 PM
Yeah I'm getting freaked out cuz I see white and gold and now the wife says she sees the gold as black WTF

sppunk
02-26-2015, 10:26 PM
Yeah I'm getting freaked out cuz I see white and gold and now the wife says she sees the gold as black WTF

Tilt the screen at a harsh angle.

Eulogy
02-26-2015, 10:26 PM
Two friends group texted me asking and when one of them said he saw white and gold I asked him how he never knew he was that colorblind

?????

Eulogy
02-26-2015, 10:27 PM
Tilt the screen at a harsh angle.

I've done that. And adjusted the brightness with the picture up.

always black and blue

Trotskilicious
02-26-2015, 10:30 PM
this dress thing is already at obnoxious meme levels even nba guys are tweeting abt it what the fuck who caaaaarrrreeeesssss

TuralyonW3
02-26-2015, 10:32 PM
I can't see the gold as black using multiple methods and settings on multiple screens

Sonic Johnny
02-26-2015, 10:32 PM
Dude I think it's pretty reasonable for people to be fascinated by this.

Lucky Day Spa
02-26-2015, 10:33 PM
Does that explain why people perceive it so differently?

well, if i look at it as pixels on a screen, i see blue and dirty dark yellow

if i look at it as a photo of a dress, i see white and gold, because that's what the shadows and lighting in the rest of the photo implies

basically it's a matter of how much context your brain applies by default

although i don't get how anyone would detect black in there; the colour values are too bright. compare with the garments in the left background. that's got black in it

reprise85
02-26-2015, 10:34 PM
white/gold

Trotskilicious
02-26-2015, 10:34 PM
Dude I think it's pretty reasonable for people to be fascinated by this.

fascinated by bad lighting?

Eulogy
02-26-2015, 10:37 PM
well, if i look at it as pixels on a screen, i see blue and dirty dark yellow

if i look at it as a photo of a dress, i see a white and gold, because that's what the shadows and lighting in the rest of the photo implies

basically it's a matter of how much context your brain applies by default

although i don't get how anyone would detect black in there; the colour values are too bright. compare with the garments in the left background. that's got black in it

A lot of people see black

sppunk
02-26-2015, 10:39 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B-0Des3UAAE7nTZ.png

reprise85
02-26-2015, 10:39 PM
White and gold.

The white has a hue that o guess some can say blue. If that's black I was raised as an inner city kid without parents.

yeah this

Trotskilicious
02-26-2015, 10:41 PM
its black and blue its on the website

Shallowed
02-26-2015, 10:43 PM
So basically everyone that sees it as white/gold is colour blind?

Lucky Day Spa
02-26-2015, 10:45 PM
A lot of people see black

compare it to the neophoria page background

still black?

Rairun
02-26-2015, 10:46 PM
White/gold with bad white balance (blueish hue). I shouldn't even be posting this because it's pretty obvious that the people who say they see black are trolling.

Eulogy
02-26-2015, 10:48 PM
compare it to the neophoria page background

still black?

Yes

Maybe a dark charcoal

TuralyonW3
02-26-2015, 10:50 PM
White/gold with bad white balance (blueish hue). I shouldn't even be posting this because it's pretty obvious that the people who say they see black are trolling.

Na, my wife is seeing black

Eulogy
02-26-2015, 10:53 PM
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B00SJEUEJG/ref=redir_mdp_mobile/276-5013511-4521361

pavementtune
02-26-2015, 10:55 PM
http://i.imgur.com/4EuTPLW.jpg

Eulogy
02-26-2015, 10:56 PM
Those look the exact same

pavementtune
02-26-2015, 10:58 PM
they are the same.
take the one on the right - on a white background. the color of the dress is not white.

take the one on the left - black background. look at the neckline of the dress.

Rairun
02-26-2015, 11:00 PM
http://i.imgur.com/8ScmKyW.png

Shallowed
02-26-2015, 11:01 PM
They're both black and blue to me

Eulogy
02-26-2015, 11:03 PM
They're both black and blue to me

Same

reprise85
02-26-2015, 11:03 PM
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B00SJEUEJG/ref=redir_mdp_mobile/276-5013511-4521361

this one is blue and black. the other one is gold and off white

Lucky Day Spa
02-26-2015, 11:03 PM
i think it's the presence of other colours around the dress that affects the brain's perceptual system

if i block out the red on the right with my thumb (on my phone), it looks like an overexposed blue and black

my hunch is that the different light sources in the foreground and background create an optical illusion. the more your visual hardware relies on context from the surroundings to detect colour, i'm guessing, the likelier you are to see it as white and gold

i very much doubt it has anything to do with colour blindness; i thought it was white/gold earlier and i have good colour perception (for a guy, anyway)

Rairun
02-26-2015, 11:04 PM
What the hell, it changed.

reprise85
02-26-2015, 11:04 PM
you're saying these two are the same colors?

https://40.media.tumblr.com/a391a1b4b46dd6b498d379e50f96ecbc/tumblr_nkcjuq8Tdr1tnacy1o1_500.jpg

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41tKeXTE3eL.jpg

Eulogy
02-26-2015, 11:05 PM
I've blocked out all of the surroundings. Still clearly black and blue as it has always been for me.

I don't think its color blindness either. But I don't know what it is.

Eulogy
02-26-2015, 11:06 PM
you're saying these two are the same colors?

http://i.imgur.com/4EuTPLW.jpg

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41tKeXTE3eL.jpg

That's not what I meant but yeah

they could easily be the same dress in different lighting. One picture is professional and shit.

Lucky Day Spa
02-26-2015, 11:07 PM
What the hell, it changed.

fucking solved it

NEXT, internet

Eulogy
02-26-2015, 11:08 PM
http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/is-this-black-and-blue-dress-in-fact-black-and-blue-1688342943

Look at the first comment

Eulogy
02-26-2015, 11:09 PM
fucking solved it

NEXT, internet

People have been telling me that for a while now. "It deals with perception" isn't really a satisfactory answer.

Shallowed
02-26-2015, 11:11 PM
you're saying these two are the same colors?

https://40.media.tumblr.com/a391a1b4b46dd6b498d379e50f96ecbc/tumblr_nkcjuq8Tdr1tnacy1o1_500.jpg

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41tKeXTE3eL.jpg

I was referring to the side by side that pavement posted

Yours are the same colours, but under different lighting. The bottom one is more vividly black and blue, the top one is washed out like the contrast is turned way down.

reprise85
02-26-2015, 11:12 PM
http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/is-this-black-and-blue-dress-in-fact-black-and-blue-1688342943

Look at the first comment

Is that really what we are talking about, if the picture is super over exposed? Because I guess it could be, if it was purposefully done to make it look gold and white. I didn't think we were arguing about the quality of the lighting... can we agree that the lighting makes it LOOK gold and white?

Honestly this whole thing is weird.

Shallowed
02-26-2015, 11:14 PM
With my limited photo editing powers, I turned up the contrast and saturation and turned down the gamma

Does anyone still see this as gold/white?

http://i.imgur.com/IPiJmJG.jpg

Eulogy
02-26-2015, 11:18 PM
Is that really what we are talking about, if the picture is super over exposed? Because I guess it could be, if it was purposefully done to make it look gold and white. I didn't think we were arguing about the quality of the lighting... can we agree that the lighting makes it LOOK gold and white?

Honestly this whole thing is weird.

Absolutely not. Just not as vivid blue and black.

reprise85
02-26-2015, 11:18 PM
Yeah now it's obviously blue.

The question is how some of us can perceive that with the original photo and some can't. I mean, if you just check the colors like pavementtune did, the 'black' is brown... so what gives?

Eulogy
02-26-2015, 11:19 PM
How can someone still believe in a divine benevolent omnipotent creator after this

pavementtune
02-26-2015, 11:19 PM
shallowed, do you still see the color in this picture as black?

http://i.imgur.com/39UQPaE.jpg

LaBelle
02-26-2015, 11:19 PM
Black and Blue.
Lots of colorblind people on this thread

Eulogy
02-26-2015, 11:19 PM
Yeah now it's obviously blue.

The question is how some of us can perceive that with the original photo and some can't. I mean, if you just check the colors like pavementtune did, the 'black' is brown... so what gives?

There's shitty light shining on it.

reprise85
02-26-2015, 11:20 PM
Absolutely not. Just not as vivid blue and black.

Okay. I just don't see it at all, I guess my color perception is not as good as yours. Not sure if that sounds like me being snippy with you, so I should clarify that I'm not trying to be. I just don't see the black at all.

sppunk
02-26-2015, 11:20 PM
http://www.buzzfeed.com/claudiakoerner/this-might-explain-why-that-dress-looks-blue-and-black-and-w#.tyZKzk2KZ Explains it a bit more

Eulogy
02-26-2015, 11:20 PM
shallowed, do you still see the color in this picture as black?

http://i.imgur.com/39UQPaE.jpg

I do. A color swatch can't re-create what fabric looks like in shitty retail lighting in a bad picture.

reprise85
02-26-2015, 11:20 PM
There's shitty light shining on it.

So those who can't see it as blue/black are not as good at filtering out bad lighting?

Eulogy
02-26-2015, 11:21 PM
Okay. I just don't see it at all, I guess my color perception is not as good as yours. Not sure if that sounds like me being snippy with you, so I should clarify that I'm not trying to be. It legit troubles me that I don't see the black at all.

I'm not sure I'm right. I'm not sure about anything.

yo soy el mejor
02-26-2015, 11:21 PM
thanks to erica i found the other dresses on amazon. i think you're all wrong.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Roman-Womens-Detail-Bodycon-Dress/dp/B00SJETV4U/ref=sr_1_1?s=clothing&ie=UTF8&qid=1425007058&sr=1-1&keywords=Roman+Women%27s+Lace+Detail+Bodycon+Dress

pavementtune
02-26-2015, 11:21 PM
It legit troubles me that I don't see the black at all.

you can't see black because there is no black. the actual dress, yes, but not on the picture that was up for discussion.

Eulogy
02-26-2015, 11:21 PM
So those who can't see it as blue/black are not as good at filtering out bad lighting?

No idea!

I just know what I see.

pavementtune
02-26-2015, 11:23 PM
I do. A color swatch can't re-create what fabric looks like in shitty retail lighting in a bad picture.

we are talking about two totally different things. nobody is arguing what the color of the actual dress is supposed to be. it's about what color it turns into on this photograph.

didn't you guys have light on retina light on screen bla bla shit in school, I mean I don't know what's confusing, I honestly don't.

yo soy el mejor
02-26-2015, 11:23 PM
maybe her black n blue dress got bleached.

Shallowed
02-26-2015, 11:23 PM
shallowed, do you still see the color in this picture as black?

http://i.imgur.com/39UQPaE.jpg

Not as black as that black square obviously, but yes it is black.

yo soy el mejor
02-26-2015, 11:24 PM
this argument is fuuuun!

LaBelle
02-26-2015, 11:24 PM
This is a similar reason as why superhero costumes from films always have weird colors in shots off the set and how they look on film under movie lights.

yo soy el mejor
02-26-2015, 11:25 PM
http://mrsgrapevine.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Jonathan-Lipnicki-Jerry-MacGuire.jpg

pavementtune
02-26-2015, 11:25 PM
not as black as black, huh.

I give up.

http://i.imgur.com/8ScmKyW.png

pavementtune
02-26-2015, 11:26 PM
This is a similar reason as why superhero costumes from films always have weird colors in shots off the set and how they look on film under movie lights.

in other words - light temperature

hnibos
02-26-2015, 11:27 PM
I saw it as black and blue then went to another website and for a split second I saw it clearly as white and gold and then I scrolled down and it's been black blue ever since.

Mina
02-26-2015, 11:27 PM
Light blue and gold

LaBelle
02-26-2015, 11:27 PM
in other words - light temperature

and how fabrics reflect light giving the impression of distorted color, yes

pavementtune
02-26-2015, 11:28 PM
yes! but what is it they are arguing about?

Eulogy
02-26-2015, 11:28 PM
we are talking about two totally different things. nobody is arguing what the color of the actual dress is supposed to be. it's about what color it turns into on this photograph.

didn't you guys have light on retina light on screen bla bla shit in school, I mean I don't know what's confusing, I honestly don't.

People are absolutely talking about the actual color of the dress. And I see black and blue in the picture.

Don't be so definitive. Read some more Internet.

pavementtune
02-26-2015, 11:30 PM
Read some more Internet.

about the color of a real - as in fabric in daylight - dress nobody has seen? yea, no. read about color spectrums and light, maybe?

LaBelle
02-26-2015, 11:30 PM
I see the boat!

Eulogy
02-26-2015, 11:32 PM
I'm not arguing I'm telling you that a lot of people are saying that the dress is actually white and gold.

Please read.

pavementtune
02-26-2015, 11:33 PM
I see the boat AND the light!

it's been fun.


http://img.designswan.com/2010/09/PouringLight/3.jpg

Shallowed
02-26-2015, 11:33 PM
we are talking about two totally different things. nobody is arguing what the color of the actual dress is supposed to be. it's about what color it turns into on this photograph.

They are different things, yes.. but I think I'm arguing what the colour of the dress actually is AND what it appears in the photo, shitty lighting and filtering and all, which is what you're asking about specifically.

I guess my eyes are just accounting for all that, and I am seeing it as blue and black, albeit not as vividly as it truly is because of the lighting and everything.

pavementtune
02-26-2015, 11:34 PM
I'm not arguing I'm telling you that a lot of people are saying that the dress is actually white and gold.

Please read.

ah okay, well then they shouldn't scroll from top to bottom when looking at it?

Shallowed
02-26-2015, 11:35 PM
Like a black surface can appear to be all manner of shades depending on how bright the environment is, but you can still see that it is black, right?

Lucky Day Spa
02-26-2015, 11:36 PM
I've blocked out all of the surroundings. Still clearly black and blue as it has always been for me.

I don't think its color blindness either. But I don't know what it is.

the more you block out the background, the more black/blue it'll look

LaBelle
02-26-2015, 11:36 PM
I like how seemingly the ENTIRE internet is talking about this dress.

This picture should be in a museum!

Eulogy
02-26-2015, 11:41 PM
the more you block out the background, the more black/blue it'll look

Well it is also black and blue when I dont.

Tell pavementune you think it's a gold and white dress

Lucky Day Spa
02-26-2015, 11:42 PM
People have been telling me that for a while now. "It deals with perception" isn't really a satisfactory answer.

i did actually offer a possible explanation:

my hunch is that the different light sources in the foreground and background create an optical illusion. the more your visual hardware relies on context from the surroundings to detect colour, i'm guessing, the likelier you are to see it as white and gold

let me try to rephrase now that i'm not tapping out replies on my phone

for a given scene, if foreground/focus colour perception is influenced by background/non-focus colour information, and the strength of that influence varies between individuals, then we should expect this kind of optical illusion to occur, and for different viewers to report different interpretations

sample of one, but i saw white/gold initially, but when i started blocking out parts of the background, my perception changed. that tells me the background information is creating a false context for me, and i assume for others who see white/gold

i'd be interested to try modifying the background colours (e.g., warming them up significantly) while leaving the dress as-is to see if your brain can be prompted to see it as white/gold

Eulogy
02-26-2015, 11:43 PM
You both seem to be saying the rest of us are dumb for completely incompatible reasons.

Trotskilicious
02-26-2015, 11:43 PM
i seriously do not get this

Mooney
02-26-2015, 11:43 PM
i only altered the white balance and exposure.

http://i.imgur.com/jkJseZS.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/d79Y6c8.jpg

Trotskilicious
02-26-2015, 11:44 PM
by this i mean the near universal interest

Eulogy
02-26-2015, 11:45 PM
i seriously do not get this

Nobody does and no one who claims to has come close to convincing me

Lol well nevermind

Trotskilicious
02-26-2015, 11:45 PM
the four pages, the number of ppl in this thread its like the internet never noticed a badly lit picture before

pavementtune
02-26-2015, 11:45 PM
where is TOC? I need to know what's going that they needed to cover up, and meanwhile distract us with a dress!

LaBelle
02-26-2015, 11:46 PM
I seriously got like 4 texts of people talking about this. it's insane

Eulogy
02-26-2015, 11:46 PM
I think it's because we take our sense of sight for granted because barring certain exceptions it doesn't fail us.

Eulogy
02-26-2015, 11:46 PM
the four pages, the number of ppl in this thread its like the internet never noticed a badly lit picture before

That's not all it is. Surely you get that by now. What color do you think the dress is?

LaBelle
02-26-2015, 11:46 PM
there are tons of optical illusions out there

Shallowed
02-26-2015, 11:47 PM
Also it takes less than a second to view this and form an opinion

Lucky Day Spa
02-26-2015, 11:47 PM
Well it is also black and blue when I dont.

well of course it is, there's no reason why removing information should work in reverse for people who already see it as blue/black

if we both lift a bag of flour and i think it's heavy and you don't, removing some of the flour isn't going to make you think it's heavy

Lucky Day Spa
02-26-2015, 11:49 PM
You both seem to be saying the rest of us are dumb for completely incompatible reasons.

is that directed at me? i don't understand how you get that from what i wrote

Trotskilicious
02-26-2015, 11:50 PM
I think it's because we take our sense of sight for granted because barring certain exceptions it doesn't fail us.

it does all the time

Trotskilicious
02-26-2015, 11:51 PM
fata morgana bruh

TuralyonW3
02-26-2015, 11:53 PM
I think it's because we take our sense of sight for granted because barring certain exceptions it doesn't fail us.

Yup window the the world and whatnot

Trotskilicious
02-26-2015, 11:54 PM
also its a pic on a shitty phone camera i thought that explained everything. colors often look off in pics. ever try to take a pic of a pretty sunset

Trotskilicious
02-26-2015, 11:54 PM
or your dick?

Elvis The Fat Years
02-26-2015, 11:55 PM
i hope this is the start of more buzzfeed links on netphoria.

sppunk
02-26-2015, 11:56 PM
I think it's because we take our sense of sight for granted because barring certain exceptions it doesn't fail us.

Honestly a a blind dude this makes me smile knowing people are pissed they can't see something others can.

Lucky Day Spa
02-26-2015, 11:56 PM
also its a pic on a shitty phone camera i thought that explained everything. colors often look off in pics. ever try to take a pic of a pretty sunset

i think in this scenario your point of view is the guy who says "what's the point of taking a picture of a sunset, it's just the earth rotating on its axis and it happens every day"

Shallowed
02-26-2015, 11:57 PM
also its a pic on a shitty phone camera i thought that explained everything. colors often look off in pics. ever try to take a pic of a pretty sunset

I absolutely agree that the colour looks off, but still no matter how hard I try I can't see it as anything other than blue and black, and it's weird that some people look at it and instantly think "yep, that's gold and white"

even accounting for a badly taken picture in poor lighting

also let us have our fun

Lucky Day Spa
02-26-2015, 11:58 PM
it's interesting because it's a) divisive, b) a prompt to think about the way our senses are unreliable and can be fooled, and c) kind of a simple-to-understand-but-hard-to-explain puzzle

Eulogy
02-27-2015, 12:00 AM
That's not all it is. Surely you get that by now. What color do you think the dress is?

Trots why won't you answer this question

Eulogy
02-27-2015, 12:01 AM
is that directed at me? i don't understand how you get that from what i wrote

You said "oh it's obvious it's x" and she said "it's obvious it's y" and they're mutually exclusive while the rest of us (outside trots I guess) are legitimately confused.

Lucky Day Spa
02-27-2015, 12:02 AM
yeah t-lish what are you hiding t-lish

Lucky Day Spa
02-27-2015, 12:07 AM
You said "oh it's obvious it's x" and she said "it's obvious it's y" and they're mutually exclusive while the rest of us (outside trots I guess) are legitimately confused.

i don't think it's obvious what it is – i thought it was obviously white/gold at first, after all, and now i think i was wrong about that. i'm now almost certain it's blue/black, and that my perception misfired, probably due to the background colour information

i'm only interested in understanding/speculating why different people see different things. definitely not calling anybody stupid

LaBelle
02-27-2015, 12:08 AM
Optical illusions don't have anything to do with intelligence.
I'm pretty sure about that

LaBelle
02-27-2015, 12:09 AM
But I'm one of those black/blue people

Eulogy
02-27-2015, 12:11 AM
Usually when I'm presented with an optical illusion there is an explanation accompanying it

WHERE IS IT

Eulogy
02-27-2015, 12:11 AM
i don't think it's obvious what it is – i thought it was obviously white/gold at first, after all, and now i think i was wrong about that. i'm now almost certain it's blue/black, and that my perception misfired, probably due to the background colour information

i'm only interested in understanding/speculating why different people see different things. definitely not calling anybody stupid

Ok, my misperception then. Sorry.

Lucky Day Spa
02-27-2015, 12:16 AM
Ok, my misperception then. Sorry.

you punny cad

Eulogy
02-27-2015, 12:17 AM
Lol

Order 66
02-27-2015, 12:21 AM
there's no way in hell i could perceive blue and black from that. but i'm brain damaged so

LaBelle
02-27-2015, 12:21 AM
Sppunk posted a pretty reasonable explanation on page 1

Trotskilicious
02-27-2015, 12:25 AM
Trots why won't you answer this question

i already said earlier

but its blue and black, black is off color because bad light/flash/sunlight

Lucky Day Spa
02-27-2015, 12:26 AM
Sppunk posted a pretty reasonable explanation on page 1

if that explanation were valid, it wouldn't be possible to change one's perception

wired has a better write-up: http://www.wired.com/2015/02/science-one-agrees-color-dress/

D.
02-27-2015, 12:27 AM
if that explanation were valid, it wouldn't be possible to change one's perception

wired has a better write-up: http://www.wired.com/2015/02/science-one-agrees-color-dress/
I was #teamgoldandwhite until I saw this same article.

Eulogy
02-27-2015, 12:27 AM
i already said earlier

but its blue and black, black is off color because bad light/flash/sunlight

That's also what I think

Many, many, many people do not see that. It's obviously not just an inability to judge bad lighting. Or I guess maybe it is. In which case I am right and woooo

pavementtune
02-27-2015, 12:28 AM
i'm only interested in understanding/speculating why different people see different things. definitely not calling anybody stupid

what do you think would happen if this picture wouldn't come with only two options - telling people right away what colors they are supposed to see?

say show the picture, give them a choice to click two shades out of twenty.

Trotskilicious
02-27-2015, 12:29 AM
that is a GREAT question

pavementtune
02-27-2015, 12:31 AM
just skimmed this http://www.wired.com/2015/02/science-one-agrees-color-dress/


So people either discount the blue side, in which case they end up seeing white and gold, or discount the gold side, in which case they end up with blue and black.” (Conway sees blue and orange, somehow.)that was my instant problem, I went looking for another picture, because I couldn't see any black, and not any white - so I couldn't go with either of the two choices.

Eulogy
02-27-2015, 12:35 AM
what do you think would happen if this picture wouldn't come with only two options - telling people right away what colors they are supposed to see?

say show the picture, give them a choice to click two shades out of twenty.

That's how I initially said black and blue. Friends sent me the picture and asked what color I saw. I answered immediately complete with confusion as to why I was being asked.

TuralyonW3
02-27-2015, 12:37 AM
Man even when I see the treated images that adjust the hue toward blue, it still skews white/gold to my eyes

Mooney
02-27-2015, 12:37 AM
also, you need to ask either what color do you think this dress is actually, or what color do you see in this extremely fucked up photo?

because it was proven earlier that that photo depicts many shades of gold, and a blueish off-white. that's not really subjective.


what color is this dress? green/black or blue and black?

http://i.imgur.com/lobWGSA.jpg

TuralyonW3
02-27-2015, 12:39 AM
Light and dark green

The exploding boy
02-27-2015, 12:44 AM
White that looks blueish because of lighting and gold.


I once years ago did some sort of color test. There was a bunch of questions abut colors shown on the screen and then they rated how right you were. I got a 100% and that was pretty rare.

The quewtion to me is how anyone can see black. Black is really far form either gold or white or blue.

Well not if it was REALLY dark blue yeah, but it's not supposed to be.

Lucky Day Spa
02-27-2015, 12:53 AM
what do you think would happen if this picture wouldn't come with only two options - telling people right away what colors they are supposed to see?

say show the picture, give them a choice to click two shades out of twenty.

i have no idea, but that would be more scientific

Mooney
02-27-2015, 12:59 AM
the color temperature of this photo is the thing that is fucked up and messing with people's perception. it's most prevalent in this photo because there is no context - the background is completely blown out so you can't draw any colour familiarity with any objects. if this photo--in a similar state of fucked-up-ness--included the face of a person wearing it, not a single person would say the dress is gold and white, they would say that person's face is orange...this picture is fucked.

TuralyonW3
02-27-2015, 01:24 AM
Ok I'm freaked out...this photo now looks blue/black to me

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B-0PqG2VIAE5QaB.jpg

TuralyonW3
02-27-2015, 01:25 AM
Keeps shifting back and forth actually...more blue/black the farther the image is scaled back

Trotskilicious
02-27-2015, 01:32 AM
well either way my butt would look FANTASTIC in it

Trotskilicious
02-27-2015, 01:37 AM
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41tKeXTE3eL.jpg

hot as shit

bignothing
02-27-2015, 01:38 AM
white/gold when i saw it last night. now at 6:30am, after a sleepless night, it's black/blue. i guess i needed tired eyes. or it's like that spinning girl that spins whichever direction i want her to (though i thought everyone could do that with some focus?) don't know, dress is ugly.

Trotskilicious
02-27-2015, 01:41 AM
disagree! but i don't like blue/black that much

bignothing
02-27-2015, 01:47 AM
i kinda dislike any dress that is this tight, i guess. a-line lace dresses are all i wear, which reminds me i need to find a new red or burgundy one. i hope my eyesight is good enough that i haven't been going places wearing freaking orange dresses.

bignothing
02-27-2015, 01:47 AM
orange is the worst color

Mals Marola
02-27-2015, 01:54 AM
orange is great what are you talking about

http://i.imgur.com/8ScmKyW.png

yeah, it's pretty much been proved here & with the accompanying "actual site image" & "some other girl wearing it" thing hasn't it? thing was either taken in some kinda goldish-brown light, tampered with afterward or taken with a lensed camera

if it was some kinda changing image that actually swapped out the colors at various times for various regions or something it'd be another thing but i don't know if that's even possible??

Mals Marola
02-27-2015, 01:57 AM
orange may be the second worst starburst... but it's a hell of a color!

http://media.giphy.com/media/k7K48NJ7qlko8/giphy.gif

Elphenor
02-27-2015, 02:56 AM
I was just shown this at work by a customer and I thought it was exclusive to them like some potheads messing with me and now I just got home and it's all over the internet. So trippy.

And it's obviously white and gold

TuralyonW3
02-27-2015, 03:12 AM
http://www.buzzfeed.com/catesish/help-am-i-going-insane-its-definitely-blue

now the original link that I couldn't imagine seeing as black/blue is strong black/blue :eek:

anyone else seeing it strongly both ways tonight? It's freaky when it changes within a matter of 10 seconds...

yo soy el mejor
02-27-2015, 03:16 AM
I was just shown this at work by a customer and I thought it was exclusive to them like some potheads messing with me and now I just got home and it's all over the internet. So trippy.

And it's obviously white and gold
where do you work?

TuralyonW3
02-27-2015, 03:16 AM
A and B are the exact same shade:

http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/2015-02/26/22/enhanced/webdr06/enhanced-19524-1425006148-16.png

Elphenor
02-27-2015, 03:22 AM
Homegoods

The overwhelming majority see white and gold but apparently the dress is blue and black in weird lighting.

Multiple people looking on the same screen see it as different so it's not a "what type of monitor do you have" thing like I immediately thought.

TuralyonW3
02-27-2015, 03:27 AM
uh welcome to page 6?

Elphenor
02-27-2015, 03:28 AM
http://www.buzzfeed.com/virginiahughes/why-are-people-seeing-different-colors-in-that-damn-dress

"Interestingly, scientists don’t know much about individual differences in perception, Riener said."

Like even Scientists can only give a vague answer of "People see things differently"

Really, really, fascinating

Trotskilicious
02-27-2015, 04:13 AM
<img src="http://cdn.pastemagazine.com/www/blogs/lists/Archer-gang-19.jpg">

omg like DUH

Shallowed
02-27-2015, 04:26 AM
Both of these appear black and blue to me, the one on the left just appears paler.

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/dress_color.png

Trotskilicious
02-27-2015, 04:45 AM
it's weird how you say that when the picture is on a black background so you can easily tell the difference but ur vision is fucked

Shallowed
02-27-2015, 04:49 AM
They're not the same shade, and like I said it is much paler

Trotskilicious
02-27-2015, 04:51 AM
pale black huh

like gray?

Trotskilicious
02-27-2015, 04:52 AM
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/4IUNc6yxp2g?rel=0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Shallowed
02-27-2015, 05:29 AM
I'm siding with Archer on this one

Shallowed
02-27-2015, 05:29 AM
What colour is this?

http://i.imgur.com/wtO1wVn.jpg

The exploding boy
02-27-2015, 05:52 AM
All I need to do is i see colors right and everybody else is wrong unless they see them like me.

The exploding boy
02-27-2015, 05:55 AM
I remember as a kid when i had the revelation that perhaps everyone's favorite color si the same, they just see it differently.

Well then i realised the concept of favorite color was kinda silly though when i grew up.

I remember when all my tshirts were black.... now i got all the colors of the rainbow.

Elphenor
02-27-2015, 06:13 AM
What colour is this?

http://i.imgur.com/wtO1wVn.jpg

Is Fucking Awesome a color?

Rairun
02-27-2015, 06:45 AM
When I said that it changed from white/gold to blue/black, I was lying. I was entirely convinced this was an elaborate ruse, so I was playing along. There is no way I can see the white parts (which admittedly have a white balance problem, with a blueish hue) as dark blue. And the gold parts are not at all black to me.

Now I am (sort of) convinced people actually see blue/black. Wtf.

Elijah Moon
02-27-2015, 07:05 AM
To me it's blue and a sort of dull gold

teh b0lly!!1
02-27-2015, 07:19 AM
i have tried every possible method suggested here - blocking out the background, squinting, scaling it down, etc.

to me it's white and gold. never changed for an instance, too.

and i obsess over colors a lot because i paint.
white will almost always have a blueish tint to it, so that's fine.
but although i tried i just don't see how folks perceive the gold to be black.
black is black. is an obtuse color, and even when lit, like with creases and folds, it turns grey - definitely not orange or beige. it's just too bright and has too much variation between different hues to be black. this is weird

Elphenor
02-27-2015, 07:29 AM
Yeah "it's not even close to black" was my first thought as well along with all my fellow white and gold brethren

Elijah Moon
02-27-2015, 07:31 AM
http://www.snopes.com/info/news/mysterydress.asp

Still doesn't give me a satisfactory explanation

Elijah Moon
02-27-2015, 07:42 AM
Although, according to that aren't I seeing it correctly? It's meant to be a light blue and a kind of gold, which is what I see

Eulogy
02-27-2015, 07:43 AM
I thought the wired article handled it

Elijah Moon
02-27-2015, 07:44 AM
Oh, I haven't looked at all of of this thread

Elijah Moon
02-27-2015, 07:45 AM
Reading the wired article now

Rairun
02-27-2015, 07:48 AM
i have tried every possible method suggested here - blocking out the background, squinting, scaling it down, etc.

to me it's white and gold. never changed for an instance, too.

and i obsess over colors a lot because i paint.
white will almost always have a blueish tint to it, so that's fine.
but although i tried i just don't see how folks perceive the gold to be black.
black is black. is an obtuse color, and even when lit, like with creases and folds, it turns grey - definitely not orange or beige. it's just too bright and has too much variation between different hues to be black. this is weird

I see it as white and gold too. I suppose I could interpret the gold as gray if I thought the white balance was very warm, but that's impossible because the part I interpret as white has a cold cast. So I suppose that yes, if you adjusted the color balance so that the gold looked gray, then the white part would be even bluer. The reason why I STILL can't see it is not the hue, it's the lightness. The white/blue part looks too light to be dark blue. Even if we reduced exposure so that gray became black, I wouldn't expect the blue parts to look as dark as in the actual dress.

Rairun
02-27-2015, 08:03 AM
What I'm saying is that I can't make this picture look like the other pictures of the dress just by adjusting the white balance and exposure. I'd have to mess with curves and apply very different adjustments to the blacks, shadows, whites and highlights.

LaBelle
02-27-2015, 08:06 AM
Just woke up and I still see it as black/blue.

LaBelle
02-27-2015, 10:13 AM
My co-worker thinks it's blue/gold. lol

bignothing
02-27-2015, 10:26 AM
Mine just switches back and forth, though it's most often white/gold. I guess with the gif below the switch happens for everyone?

http://i.imgur.com/XnsgxSM.gif

Eulogy
02-27-2015, 10:36 AM
Nope. Always black and blue.

LaBelle
02-27-2015, 11:15 AM
always black/blue for me too

Elijah Moon
02-27-2015, 11:42 AM
always blue and gold

pavementtune
02-27-2015, 01:25 PM
since this is STILL all over, even my middle-schooler nephew brought this up.

and said "duhuh, observer metameric failure is so much more interesting." - I had to look it up.

is this how parents feel when they can't help their kids with homework any longer?

darby
02-27-2015, 01:55 PM
http://www.tmz.com/2015/02/27/the-dress-blue-black-white-gold-sales-color/

/thread

darby
02-27-2015, 01:58 PM
has this been answered in here already?

anyway i still see it as white and gold. i guess i'm broken

darby
02-27-2015, 02:00 PM
.

Eulogy
02-27-2015, 02:38 PM
I thought after a while id see where the white and gold people are coming from

But I can't. Not even a little bit.

Rider
02-27-2015, 02:50 PM
I thought after a while id see where the white and gold people are coming from

But I can't. Not even a little bit.

When I quickly see certain really washed out versions of the pic for the first few seconds I see the white and gold but then can't see it at all anymore.

hnibos
02-27-2015, 04:19 PM
I see an obvious black and blue in all three of those pictures.

Rairun
02-27-2015, 04:52 PM
OK, after playing with it in Lightroom, I can see how it could be blue/black. I still think the original, without any other reference, looks white and gold. Seeing blue/black was particularly hard because the background is pretty much all overblown, so it was hard to notice how off the color balance really was. Also, replacing the background with a field in a sunny day only made it harder for me to see it.

http://i.imgur.com/r5FTL6k.jpg

Rider
02-27-2015, 05:14 PM
OK, after playing with it in Lightroom, I can see how it could be blue/black. I still think the original, without any other reference, looks white and gold. Seeing blue/black was particularly hard because the background is pretty much all overblown, so it was hard to notice how off the color balance really was. Also, replacing the background with a field in a sunny day only made it harder for me to see it.

http://i.imgur.com/r5FTL6k.jpg

Everyone need to stop saying things like "could be blue/black."

We know the dress is blue and black, and we know when you isolate sections of the image they are blue and black.

It's an optical illusion that works on some people and not on others.

there is no question though that the colors are blue and black.

Mals Marola
02-27-2015, 05:17 PM
i just think one too many people have a very lenient definition for what they call "black"

MyOneAndOnly
02-27-2015, 05:19 PM
http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/2014-05/enhanced/webdr08/28/13/anigif_enhanced-buzz-23298-1401296978-8.gif

MyOneAndOnly
02-27-2015, 05:21 PM
which square is darker? place your thumb in the middle between the two squares


https://twistedsifter.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/optical-illusion-same-gray-color-thumb-over-middle.jpg

Elphenor
02-27-2015, 05:36 PM
I have been shown this shit multiple times today. I think there are multiple versions of the dress being shown. One time I saw it and it was obviously white and gold, but with bad lighting making it look bluish but any idiot could be it was supposed to be white. Then I saw a completely different version where it was blue and black. It's different pictures floating around and someone is creating dress hysteria.

No because people looking at the same picture on the same screen see it differently as well

Elijah Moon
02-27-2015, 05:43 PM
Yep, my mum was round earlier and saw it as black and blue while I see the self-same picture as light blue and gold

Elijah Moon
02-27-2015, 05:44 PM
Also, my friend on Facebook showed it to her workmates on one screen and there were still differences of opinion. And a guy on the news showed it to random people on the street and their perceptions didn't all mesh

The exploding boy
02-27-2015, 05:47 PM
Everyone need to stop saying things like "could be blue/black."

We know the dress is blue and black, and we know when you isolate sections of the image they are blue and black.

It's an optical illusion that works on some people and not on others.

there is no question though that the colors are blue and black.



well not from the actual source no but there is no way for me to see this gold as black no matter how much i try. I believe if it's black its black, it look like gold no matter the lighting though.

Like the three pics above all i see is gold. It's not even close to black. So it's still weird to me.

Elphenor
02-27-2015, 05:50 PM
Yeah it's so far from black to my eyes there isn't even an apt metaphor

Elphenor
02-27-2015, 05:57 PM
Well they see it as a scale.

For me the farthest right is more blueish but still white and a darker gold but for sure not black.

For those seeing blue and black the one on the left looks like a brighter blue and black I assume

Rairun
02-27-2015, 05:58 PM
Everyone need to stop saying things like "could be blue/black."

We know the dress is blue and black, and we know when you isolate sections of the image they are blue and black.

It's an optical illusion that works on some people and not on others.

there is no question though that the colors are blue and black.

No. We do know the real dress is blue and black, but we also know that the colors in the picture are light blue and yellow. That's not an optical illusion. When you isolate sections of the image, they are light blue and yellow. That's what photoshop says.

If you see dark blue and black, that means your brain is adjusting the raw input to ignore a really massive color balance/overexposure problem.

Elphenor
02-27-2015, 06:00 PM
Yeah the color of the dress IN THIS PICTURE is white and gold. But the real thing is blue and black.

I have no idea how it works that some people have the psychic ability to discern the real color of this dress from a picture showing them the wrong ones.

hnibos
02-27-2015, 06:38 PM
Wait a minute. I've seen all three versions of the picture, like in the picture I posted above. Are you saying that some people see all three as the same thing? Some peoples' eyes are stupid.

I see an obvious black and blue in all those pictures and since the dress is actually black and blue I can only conclude that I'm better than you and you are a loser. You lose. Get over it.

Eulogy
02-27-2015, 06:52 PM
No. We do know the real dress is blue and black, but we also know that the colors in the picture are light blue and yellow. That's not an optical illusion. When you isolate sections of the image, they are light blue and yellow. That's what photoshop says.

If you see dark blue and black, that means your brain is adjusting the raw input to ignore a really massive color balance/overexposure problem.

Photoshop says that only when you isolate part of the black that obviously has light reflecting off of it.

hnibos
02-27-2015, 06:54 PM
Obvious to the better people

Trotskilicious
02-27-2015, 07:07 PM
SO FUCKING ANGRY ABOUT THIS!!!

MyOneAndOnly
02-27-2015, 07:33 PM
How bout everybody play Candy Crush and fuck off

Elphenor
02-27-2015, 08:49 PM
Punk as fuck

LaBelle
02-27-2015, 09:12 PM
how is this still going on?

slunken
02-27-2015, 09:28 PM
i'm pretty sure someone is going to end up getting called "gay"

did this happen yet

Elphenor
02-27-2015, 09:29 PM
ur gay

MyOneAndOnly
03-01-2015, 02:51 PM
the invention of the color blue

http://www.businessinsider.com/what-is-blue-and-how-do-we-see-color-2015-2

ilikeplanets
03-01-2015, 08:08 PM
i can see the dark as either gold or black depending on the background but i cannot see the other color as anything but blue. can't believe this though

LaBelle
03-01-2015, 10:53 PM
I saw a couple arguing LOUDLY about this today.
It was pretty stupid