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Catherine Wheel
01-23-2015, 11:38 PM
I imagine that a lot of people that initially were Soundgarden fans became QOTSA fans when Soundgarden broke up.

Catherine Wheel
01-23-2015, 11:46 PM
Even if they never stopped being Soundgarden fans I imagine once the band broke up a lot of them probably moved on to Queens since they are so similar.

Elphenor
01-24-2015, 12:03 AM
Queens>Soundgarden

Elphenor
01-24-2015, 12:03 AM
But they both have annoying vocalists

Trotskilicious
01-24-2015, 12:29 AM
Why would you have to stop being a Soundgarden fan because they broke up and have to desperately find a sound-alike band?

QOTSA doesn't sound like soundgarden tho

Catherine Wheel
01-24-2015, 12:42 AM
Soundgarden are at the top of allmusic.com's list of artists that have influenced Queens of the Stone Age. How are they not similar besides vocal styles?

I'm Hardcore
01-24-2015, 12:47 AM
yes because Allmusic is the definitive musical voice

Catherine Wheel
01-24-2015, 12:50 AM
But even beyond that they are pretty close in sound.

houseofglass11
01-24-2015, 12:56 AM
I have never once thought either band sounded similar to each other. They don't, at all.

Another one of Catherine Wheel's ill-advised stream of consciousness threads.

Trotskilicious
01-24-2015, 01:01 AM
that's not what stream of consciousness is bruh

houseofglass11
01-24-2015, 01:22 AM
Sure it is. "A literary technique that presents the thoughts and feelings of a character as they occur." C. Wheel thinks of some random shit and immediately posts it spontaneously.

Trotskilicious
01-24-2015, 01:35 AM
oh you're one of those guys who looks up words he doesn't know after he uses them and then tries to reinterpret the definition to prove himself correct

have you ever read faukner, joyce or even cormac mccarthy? that's what it is

houseofglass11
01-24-2015, 01:46 AM
oh you're one of those guys who always has to post something snarky to make himself feel intellectually superior. you're splitting hairs here

dreams of glass
01-24-2015, 02:01 AM
I imagine that a lot of people that initially were Soundgarden fans became QOTSA fans when Soundgarden broke up.

Nope. I was a Kyuss fan before I was a QOTSA fan.

Trotskilicious
01-24-2015, 02:02 AM
hipster

Trotskilicious
01-24-2015, 02:10 AM
you're splitting hairs here

a lot of things are going through my mind right now i am never able to understand exactly why people on the internet insist on being wrong like they have the right to be it's as if someone held up a shovel and called it a rake and i let them know it was a shovel and then i get something about how i'm trying to be condescending and lording intellectual superiority over them but i just shouldn't even bother. my fingers are starting to hurt and my eyes are kind of glazed over from the warm feeling behind the eyes i'm out of soda i should get some water and maybe a turkey sandwich roommate walks in wants to know where i put the toilet paper the restroom is weird because i think even a petit woman would have issues with accessing the toilet paper thingy so we have to put it in the cabinet thats right in front of the terlet but i put it somewhere and i got up and looked for it and then i remembered i had to blow my nose and put it in the hall for some reason i do that a lot so now i go back to my room and think about the turkey sandwich with avocado again but i still need to show this guy what stream of conciousness is because he just thinks it's making threads immediately after you think of them but that's not really a stream now is it roommate is laughing watching battle royale i should have done that but instead i'm doing this and should probably get back to crusader kings 2

dreams of glass
01-24-2015, 02:42 AM
so the cat is meowing and my leg itches godammit I should get another beer i wonder what movies are on do I have any more weed seems weird that was so awesome earlier god i love my life shut up cat oh I guess you want out

ilikeplanets
01-24-2015, 04:31 AM
soundgarden is amazing, qotsa is mediocre and they dont even sound alike, you know

dreams of glass
01-24-2015, 04:36 AM
soundgarden is like 50/50 for me

I like their earlier shit, and some of the later stuff

dreams of glass
01-24-2015, 04:37 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8gp9RcToi8

dreams of glass
01-24-2015, 04:37 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EU4L6THYAbM

Mals Marola
01-24-2015, 06:10 AM
THAT'S VERY FUCKING INTERESTING

however, as a listener of both bands i can say no i do not think a affected b, at all!

we get some ruuules to foolllooow

slunken
01-24-2015, 07:38 AM
I don't like either band so catweel must be into something

bye june
01-24-2015, 11:54 AM
Queens>Soundgarden

But they both have annoying vocalists

U WOT MATE?

bye june
01-24-2015, 11:57 AM
Soundgarden was my favorite band for the longest time. Still a top 10 band for me.

Like I was obsessed with SG and the Northwest scene like Elph is with The Fall.

bye june
01-24-2015, 12:03 PM
I bought the big Superunknown reissue last year...I still haven't gone thru it yet.

The exploding boy
01-24-2015, 01:21 PM
I don't like either band so catweel must be into something


I'm not sure that's how it works.

Mals Marola
01-24-2015, 01:33 PM
U WOT MATE?

oh come on you're not desensitized to elphenor's opinions yet?

Elphenor
01-31-2015, 11:09 AM
Soundgarden was my favorite band for the longest time. Still a top 10 band for me.

Like I was obsessed with SG and the Northwest scene like Elph is with The Fall.

This is the most embarrassing shit

Jesus Chrisstttt

Elphenor
01-31-2015, 11:11 AM
Cornell sounds like a standard rock singer and they have standard riffs and standard lyrics what in the hell is there to be obsessed about?

Elphenor
01-31-2015, 11:13 AM
I seriously can't understand why grunge fans bust a nut over this pretty ordinary masculine rock singer voice. He sounds like every other grunge singer.

Catherine Wheel
01-31-2015, 11:22 AM
He has a very powerful commanding voice. He has a lot of range as a singer.As far as the music a lot of it is meat and potatoes rock that recalls the 1970s like QOTSA. But sometimes I just really like listening to stuff like that. Probably not as much I used to.

Elphenor
01-31-2015, 11:33 AM
It's like Punk never happened for some of you

houseofglass11
01-31-2015, 11:38 AM
Oh yeah, you're the 20 year old authority on punk.

Catherine Wheel
01-31-2015, 11:39 AM
Can't people like more than one type of thing within a genre. I like Interpol and I like Franz Ferdinand from time to time. Stop being so close minded.

Elphenor
01-31-2015, 11:42 AM
I'm not close minded because Interpol is shit c'mon now

Elphenor
01-31-2015, 11:42 AM
Edit: Whole post was dumb nvm

bye june
01-31-2015, 12:03 PM
No, this is embarrassing

Cornell sounds like a standard rock singer and they have standard riffs and standard lyrics what in the hell is there to be obsessed about?

I seriously can't understand why grunge fans bust a nut over this pretty ordinary masculine rock singer voice. He sounds like every other grunge singer.

It's like Punk never happened for some of you

They actually pushed alot of boundaries and expiremented with different styles and pulled it off.

And they had quite the punk influence too by the way.

houseofglass11
01-31-2015, 12:39 PM
There's more to Soundgarden than the 5 songs from Superunknown that they still play on the radio.

1987:
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1989:
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Elphenor
01-31-2015, 12:47 PM
It's like GunsNRoses

Elphenor
01-31-2015, 12:57 PM
And they had quite the punk influence too by the way.

"Hey let's resurrect the type of Rock that Punk wanted nothing more than to destroy and then say we have Punk influence"

Sonic Johnny
01-31-2015, 04:02 PM
Elph you're making a complete arse of yourself in this thread.

brutechinasky
01-31-2015, 11:06 PM
There's more to Soundgarden than the 5 songs from Superunknown that they still play on the radio.

1987:
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1989:
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yep, the hiro years (before cornell took over as the main songwriter) definitely had some gems

Funbags
01-31-2015, 11:44 PM
Sounds like a bunch of bros.

FoolofaTook
02-01-2015, 08:22 AM
soundgarden is meh.

the queens slay.

FoolofaTook
02-01-2015, 08:25 AM
http://www.buddyhead.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/josh_homme.jpg

you know you'd let him sit on your face

bye june
02-01-2015, 10:53 AM
There's more to Soundgarden than the 5 songs from Superunknown that they still play on the radio.

Exactly, there's more than just the singles.

"Nothing to Say" is possibly the most awesome song ever:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXTMlr4-mDw

Mals Marola
02-01-2015, 10:58 AM
let's not front here though, those singles are pretty great

the day i tried to LLIIIIIVE!

bye june
02-01-2015, 11:13 AM
I DON'T LIKE WHATCHA GOT ME HANGIN' FROM

toase
02-01-2015, 11:28 AM
Never really liked soundgarden, but cornell is great, one of the most versatile singers out there

dreams of glass
02-01-2015, 11:33 AM
I've often thought this song is the "perfect" SG song, it represents all the elements that make the band good.



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FoolofaTook
02-01-2015, 04:30 PM
they got ISIS in they're band?

Run To Me
02-02-2015, 12:04 AM
It's hard to think of a better hard rock vocalist than Chris Cornell, for me personally. Perfect mix of aggro/sensual vibes and fucken just spine tingling in the tone and the timbre of it man. I like Queens better as a recorded band but Cornell still sings better.

Elphenor
02-02-2015, 03:27 PM
Yes my music knowledge should be in question because I don't like your favorite Dad rock bands

My sides hurt right now

FoolofaTook
02-02-2015, 03:32 PM
they got ISIS in they're band?

LOLOLOL bro u funny

toase
02-02-2015, 05:20 PM
soundgarden is dad rock? oh my, I'm old

Elphenor
02-02-2015, 05:40 PM
I'm sorry you had to find out this way

The exploding boy
02-02-2015, 06:36 PM
i'm less concerned about the wheel chair and more concerned about how high he's holding that bass. COME ON. that is so not punk.Nor is the bass itself. And he's kinda making a face.

Elphenor
02-02-2015, 06:44 PM
That is punk as FUCK

toase
02-02-2015, 06:44 PM
But you know what isn't dad rock in Elfinir's strange mind? This...

http://s3.amazonaws.com/quietus_production/images/articles/1427/IMG_1376_1238752585_resize_460x400.jpg

granddad rock?

Elphenor
02-02-2015, 06:46 PM
Dad Rock is a term for what a stereotypical Dad listens to, not any Rock that's old

My Dad loves Soundgarden and Pearl Jam, but he would never listen to The Fall

toase
02-02-2015, 06:46 PM
That is punk as FUCK

so pretty your idealization of punk, very cute

toase
02-02-2015, 06:48 PM
Dad Rock is a term for what a stereotypical Dad listens to, not any Rock that's old

My Dad loves Soundgarden and Pearl Jam, but he would never listen to The Fall

your dad is not stereotypical

ilikeplanets
02-02-2015, 06:49 PM
soundgarden isnt fucking dad rock

pavementtune
02-02-2015, 07:28 PM
That is punk as FUCK

can you record your voice please, any sentence with you saying "post punk"

if you don't do it right, you won't be allowed to use "punk" "punk rock" or "post punk" on this board ever again.

you'll get a *****punk****** censoring, especially for you.


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reprise85
02-02-2015, 08:09 PM
he did it in the record your voice thread

pavementtune
02-02-2015, 08:12 PM
elph said POST PUNKKK??
I have to find it haha

Sonic Johnny
02-03-2015, 12:28 AM
Dad Rock is a term for what a stereotypical Dad listens to

wow really thank you for imparting this incredible gem of hitherto obscure knowledge on all of our heads

Sonic Johnny
02-03-2015, 12:32 AM
I picture Elph's dad getting up in the morning, putting on Jesus Christ Pose real loud, cracking an egg into his tall glass of southern comfort, knocking it back and then having a line of coke in the bathroom. Elph comes downstairs, button up shirt on, real serious "Hey dad i'm going out to look for Mark E Smith records and contemplate how bad everything before and after punk and post-punk music is" and wanders out the door.

"I dunno what happened to that kid, but I tell ya somethin ain't right" He says, before high fiving elph's mother and then they both play sweet duelling guitar solos on flying Vs.

Sonic Johnny
02-03-2015, 12:33 AM
Elph could you get your dad to start posting here? Sounds like a pretty cool dude really.

dreams of glass
02-03-2015, 12:43 AM
Dad Rock is a term for what a stereotypical Dad listens to, not any Rock that's old

My Dad loves Soundgarden and Pearl Jam, but he would never listen to The Fall




:dammit:

basically if it's not cool to you, it's "dad rock".

never mind that it's possible for someone your dad's age to like post-punk.

dreams of glass
02-03-2015, 12:43 AM
Elph could you get your dad to start posting here? Sounds like a pretty cool dude really.

yeah, probably cooler than Elphy

Sonic Johnny
02-03-2015, 12:46 AM
yeah but d.o.g. you're a strong contender for third worst poster at the minute too so yknow

dreams of glass
02-03-2015, 12:49 AM
that actually made me laugh

ok, point taken

I'll try to behave

:beatup:

bye june
02-03-2015, 01:39 AM
Dad Rock is a term for what a stereotypical Dad listens to, not any Rock that's old

My Dad loves Soundgarden and Pearl Jam, but he would never listen to The Fall

yr dad seems pretty cool

Elphenor
02-03-2015, 02:42 AM
My step Dad also likes Soundgarden and Pearl Jam.

They're the most unchallenging rock bands of that era pretty much

Elphenor
02-03-2015, 02:44 AM
wow really thank you for imparting this incredible gem of hitherto obscure knowledge on all of our heads

I took it they thought I was referring to any Rock that's old thus the spelled out explanation

Elphenor
02-03-2015, 02:46 AM
My Dad is typical southern conservative Dad.

The reason Dads like Soundgarden and Pearl Jam is because it's unpolitical, unchallenging, manly Rock.

The same reason my Grandpa likes Led Zep

dreams of glass
02-03-2015, 02:49 AM
why does "Rock" (uppercase R)

have to be "political and challenging"

also unmanly?

Elphenor
02-03-2015, 02:51 AM
Those are basically the attributes that matter in Rock

dreams of glass
02-03-2015, 02:51 AM
also I think Pearl Jam and SG had some political stuff, maybe not overt

I mean they're no RATM

dreams of glass
02-03-2015, 02:53 AM
the unmanly part?

Sonic Johnny
02-03-2015, 02:53 AM
Those are basically the attributes that matter in Rock


...in your opinion?

Elphenor
02-03-2015, 02:54 AM
It's about way more than a guitar riff for me

dreams of glass
02-03-2015, 02:54 AM
explain to us what Rock music is

Elphenor
02-03-2015, 02:55 AM
the unmanly part?

Feminism is probably the most important part.

Makes or breaks a band for me

dreams of glass
02-03-2015, 02:56 AM
sweet

so, not about guitar riffs

we need some challenging political lyrics

and, make sure it's not too manly (ew)

Elphenor
02-03-2015, 02:57 AM
I saw Soundgarden live and they were okay



On the same bill as NIN which is what I went to see

dreams of glass
02-03-2015, 02:59 AM
sweet

so, not about guitar riffs

we need some challenging political lyrics

and, make sure it's not too manly (ew)

anyone have any suggestions for Elph?

Elphenor
02-03-2015, 03:00 AM
I also saw QOSA on the same bill as Arctic Monkeys who I went to go see

dreams of glass
02-03-2015, 03:00 AM
What year was this?

For the NIN show

Sonic Johnny
02-03-2015, 03:00 AM
Things that make music good according to Elph:

Feminism {x}
Not being or looking like bros or having bros for fans {x}
Not being liked by dads {x}
Riffs { }

Elphenor
02-03-2015, 03:01 AM
1 out of 4

dreams of glass
02-03-2015, 03:01 AM
LOL

we need to find a band for Elph based on this

Elphenor
02-03-2015, 03:02 AM
It's not about the fan base, the fan base is a reflection of what the band is

Sonic Johnny
02-03-2015, 03:03 AM
It's not about the fan base, the fan base is a reflection of what the band is

Yeah. This is the dumbest thing I've ever read in one of your posts.

Elphenor
02-03-2015, 03:03 AM
LOL

we need to find a band for Elph based on this

I could list like 10 I think

Elphenor
02-03-2015, 03:04 AM
Yeah. This is the dumbest thing I've ever read in one of your posts.

Why would I dislike a band for its fan base? Why even think that?

I dislike the dumb band for being dumb, not for attracting dumb people

Elphenor
02-03-2015, 03:05 AM
I'm suuuppperr bored of this. I tried to talk about Soundgarden and QOTSA

Sonic Johnny
02-03-2015, 03:08 AM
See here's the thing buddy, your preoccupation with the "status" of a band (what type of people you perceive as enjoying their music, how popular/underground they were etc etc) is causing you to put the blinders up to stuff that you either haven't listened to or have listened to through a lens of prejudice because of ideas you already had about the type of people who like that band/artist. This is a really common behaviour in young people, because when you're 14 and trying to work out who you are music speaks to you heavily (because it's aimed at you) and comes with fashion attached, making it easy and attractive to draw a correlation between who you are and what you listen to.

But you're not 14, Elph. You're 20 or something. Time to learn to just enjoy shit for what it is and stop worrying about your personal brand.

dreams of glass
02-03-2015, 03:10 AM
relax man

is this too riffy for you?

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Elphenor
02-03-2015, 03:12 AM
the "status" of a band (what type of people you perceive as enjoying their music, how popular/underground they were etc etc)

These things don't matter to me.

Elphenor
02-03-2015, 03:12 AM
I DO NOT CARE ABOUT FANBASES

dreams of glass
02-03-2015, 03:15 AM
really, when you yell it

you prob do care about it

Elphenor
02-03-2015, 03:15 AM
I like Bikini Kill of course

Elphenor
02-03-2015, 03:16 AM
really, when you yell it

you prob do care about it

Just tired of repeating myself

Sonic Johnny
02-03-2015, 03:16 AM
These things don't matter to me.

If you say so, but you demonstrably care about what a band looks like:

dude in below the knee shorts playing a v

It's the uniform of shitty music though those big round circle things in your ears plus duck bill hat plus tattoo sleeve plus shorts plus SoCal is also a contender


Which is the same degree of stupid

Elphenor
02-03-2015, 03:19 AM
I do care about how a band presents itself. I consider it as part of the art, it being a performance art. Again, Rock music is about a lot more than just a guitar riff.

However I do not care how a bands fan base dresses

dreams of glass
02-03-2015, 03:21 AM
so you're ok with Juggalos?

Sonic Johnny
02-03-2015, 03:22 AM
I don't know what 98% of the artists I listen to look like. You know how much that detracts from my enjoyment of their music?

Elphenor
02-03-2015, 03:22 AM
sure

dreams of glass
02-03-2015, 03:24 AM
zero percent

Elphenor
02-03-2015, 03:24 AM
I don't know what 98% of the artists I listen to look like. You know how much that detracts from my enjoyment of their music?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's par for the course for electronic music right?

Elphenor
02-03-2015, 03:25 AM
As in electronic artists tend to be against image

Sonic Johnny
02-03-2015, 03:25 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's par for the course for electronic music right?

It's not uncommon, but I'd venture that electronic music accounts for ~25% of all the music i listen to

Elphenor
02-03-2015, 03:26 AM
Image matters in the same way lyrics matter

It's like when you watch a movie you also get sound

Sonic Johnny
02-03-2015, 03:28 AM
So then you don't enjoy instrumental bands?

Sonic Johnny
02-03-2015, 03:29 AM
Also, you're wrong when you say image matters.

Sonic Johnny
02-03-2015, 03:29 AM
If image matters to your enjoyment of a band you are every bit as guilty of being into fashion rather than art as I've accused you of being.

Elphenor
02-03-2015, 03:30 AM
Fashion is art

or rather it can be

Elphenor
02-03-2015, 03:31 AM
Rock is a performance art. It is meant to be experienced live and both watched and heard

dreams of glass
02-03-2015, 03:32 AM
the image is not the thing tho

you are talking about band image versus fan image or perceived image

what are you talking about?

Elphenor
02-03-2015, 03:33 AM
I do not care about fan image.

I do care about the image a band chooses, because it is part of their art.

The exploding boy
02-03-2015, 03:33 AM
I try not to care abut the image and definitely try not to care about who makes the music, i mean what kind of people they are. Because often, finding out can kinda ruin it a little. I mean I want to separate the art from people and i do to a certain extent but only so much. The truth though is a lot of times image will tell you a lot about the music. Or the attitude anyway.

Sonic Johnny
02-03-2015, 03:33 AM
So you don't own any albums and you only go to shows?

dreams of glass
02-03-2015, 03:39 AM
we went in a big circle

Sonic Johnny
02-03-2015, 03:41 AM
Nah it's getting smaller

Elphenor
02-03-2015, 03:49 AM
It's actually baffling me that this is a conversation that's happening.

Artists dress a certain way when they go on stage. They become their Art.

Elphenor
02-03-2015, 03:50 AM
i.e Corgan and his Zero shirt and Space pants

Sonic Johnny
02-03-2015, 04:12 AM
It's baffling to me that you can't see that concerning yourself with a bands appearance detracts from the scope of music you enjoy for superficial reasons, which only serves to detract from your own enjoyment of music.

brutechinasky
02-03-2015, 07:08 AM
dad rock boy could be a good username for a fake account

houseofglass11
02-03-2015, 11:38 AM
Things that make music good according to Elph:

Feminism {x}
Not being or looking like bros or having bros for fans {x}
Not being liked by dads {x}
Riffs { }

Is Elphenor Kurt Cobain reincarnated?

brutechinasky
02-03-2015, 12:15 PM
cobain had the riffs

FoolofaTook
02-03-2015, 12:26 PM
It's baffling to me that you can't see that concerning yourself with a bands appearance detracts from the scope of music you enjoy for superficial reasons, which only serves to detract from your own enjoyment of music.

lol I hope u r trollin cos if not then you hella lame bro

bye june
02-03-2015, 12:55 PM
My step Dad also likes Soundgarden and Pearl Jam.

They're the most unchallenging rock bands of that era pretty much

>Soundgarden
>most unchallenging rock band of that era

I don't understand

houseofglass11
02-03-2015, 12:59 PM
Pearl Jam started out sounding like slightly more credible hair metal. Then they turned into boring dad rock. Elph is right on that point. But Soundgarden had the most inventive guitar riffs and rhythms of all those grunge bands.

houseofglass11
02-03-2015, 01:01 PM
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bye june
02-03-2015, 01:02 PM
Yeah I meant Soundgarden

Pearl Jam on the other hand have been making the same boring album for years. It's disappointing.

The exploding boy
02-03-2015, 07:17 PM
my great great great great great great great great grandpa listened to Mozart. Its such great great great great great great great great grandpa music.

fuzzyroes
02-03-2015, 10:27 PM
hahahaha oh man, Poots: I'm literally cracking up. That's gold

fuzzyroes
02-03-2015, 10:32 PM
I do not care about fan image.

I do care about the image a band chooses, because it is part of their art.

So you actually thought Billy was his ridiculous silver pants, Iha glammed out like a hair-metal artist and Jimmy with his Bowl hair-cut was a cool image?:rofl:

The only one who looked awesome was D'arcy.

I thought the Pumpkins MCIS image overall was lame as hell, but it doesn't really matter because the music was great.

Sonic Johnny
02-03-2015, 11:26 PM
Fuzzy how do you feel about Jager and Dane Cook?

Mals Marola
02-04-2015, 12:13 AM
more like DADgarden & PEARL Dad with a side of flanel (pop's finest!)

dadrock for teen dads

Sonic Johnny
02-04-2015, 12:17 AM
kids born in the last few years are all like "Man, At The Drive-In are total Dad Rock!"

Mals Marola
02-04-2015, 12:19 AM
dadstep fans & their tim & eric DAD show great DAD it's fucking bullshit may i have some edge please?

dreams of glass
02-04-2015, 12:20 AM
Yeah it's ironic that their style took a weird turn around MCIS

Mals Marola
02-04-2015, 12:21 AM
pisstake of a pisstake of a shmishshmake

Sonic Johnny
02-04-2015, 12:23 AM
dadstep fans & their tim & eric DAD show great DAD it's fucking bullshit may i have some edge please?

god damn fucking OneOhTrix Point Never and Haxan Cloak, fucking dadtronica 101.

Sonic Johnny
02-04-2015, 12:24 AM
what upsets me is that when people think of the 2010s they're going to think of Death Grips and not Coheed and Cambria. UGH.

Mals Marola
02-04-2015, 12:30 AM
mc ride more like mc "i drive a 2007 minivan with carseats in the back" fuck that shit, got anything more, you know, provocative?

Trotskilicious
02-04-2015, 12:40 AM
woah what's this thread about now?

elph's unrelenting superficiality? oh of course.

Sonic Johnny
02-04-2015, 01:57 AM
mc ride more like mc "i drive a 2007 minivan with carseats in the back" fuck that shit, got anything more, you know, provocative?

What amazes me is how there's not a single dad anywhere on earth that enjoys post-punk.

Sonic Johnny
02-04-2015, 01:58 AM
HEY YEAH WAIT A MINUTE

Elph my dad likes The Fall. Therefore The Fall is dad rock?

Trotskilicious
02-04-2015, 02:08 AM
dude there are lots of 40+ year old dudes that love the cure and have kids now holy shit my mind just broke

Funbags
02-04-2015, 02:24 AM
more like DADgarden & PEARL Dad

:rofl:

Trotskilicious
02-04-2015, 06:15 PM
dadrock to me is safe, twee and established easy listening bands that dont take many risks. If decembristd take a risk its with a hurdy gurdy so yeah total dadrock

Elphenor
02-04-2015, 06:38 PM
That's what it is and I thought I expressed that opinion.

Yes there are Dads that like The Fall and The Cure but they will never be Dad Rock

Elphenor
02-04-2015, 06:45 PM
And I just have a hard time thinking of Grunge as something that Rocks when I listen to so much stuff like The Damned

When I want to ROCK give me some fucking Punk not this fake metal shit

The exploding boy
02-04-2015, 07:55 PM
My favorite phase of The Damned is when they went kinda naff with the goth thing.

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At least it was tongue in cheek. To be fair this song is more victorian....70's rock to me or something... But like Shadow of love.

Sonic Johnny
02-04-2015, 09:09 PM
And I just have a hard time thinking of Grunge as something that Rocks when I listen to so much stuff like The Damned

When I want to ROCK give me some fucking Punk not this fake metal shit

I would take you seriously if you showed any kind of proclivity for some quality hardcore, but you sorta dont.

Elphenor
02-05-2015, 03:57 AM
I like a really large amount of hardcore

Elphenor
02-05-2015, 04:01 AM
Yeah I meant Soundgarden

Pearl Jam on the other hand have been making the same boring album for years. It's disappointing.

Why is it okay to shit on Pearl Jam but not Soundgarden.

I happen to like PJ more than Soundgarden honestly

Elphenor
02-05-2015, 04:03 AM
Can we break out the pitchforks on this guy because he dare express his honest opinion that a band has been boring?

Seriously, these guys aren't mad because I called a band boring and music is subjective, they're mad because I called the WRONG band boring

bye june
02-05-2015, 11:08 AM
I can say it because I've listened to everything by both bands.

It seems you've only heard a few singles.

I don't typically talk shit about bands I've only heard a few times, like The Fall. I listened to one album and didn't like it...but I'm not going to write them off as unimportant or unchallenging or talk shit.

Trotskilicious
02-05-2015, 05:18 PM
I think we dont manhunt bye june much because he doesnt fill threads with his dumb opinion

slunken
02-05-2015, 05:21 PM
I would take you seriously if you showed any kind of proclivity for some quality hardcore, but you sorta dont.

i wish i had everything at my fingertips when i was a child

Mals Marola
02-05-2015, 05:37 PM
Can we break out the pitchforks on this guy because he dare express his honest opinion that a band has been boring?

Seriously, these guys aren't mad because I called a band boring and music is subjective, they're mad because I called the WRONG band boring

nobody's "mad" it's just kind of irritating. bj made a pretty succinct post that i don't think anyone aside from hardcore pj fans would argue with (of which there are prob none here?)

you just kind of throw shit everywhere whether it makes sense or not, and often reveal you have no clue what you're talking about despite talking with the authority of a high school principal

The exploding boy
02-05-2015, 05:40 PM
I think we dont manhunt bye june much because he doesnt fill threads with his dumb opinion

But lets not forget guitargate please. Think of the guitars. Never forget.

Mals Marola
02-05-2015, 05:45 PM
i like to think juney-baby learnt from his mistakes re:that whole escapade
i remember the song involved being pretty enjoyable too for what it's worth

toase
02-05-2015, 05:51 PM
manhunt, bj

Elphenor
02-05-2015, 06:02 PM
It seems you've only heard a few singles.


No I've heard all their albums.I think. I liked grunge and metal when I was like 15.

Elphenor
02-05-2015, 06:18 PM
4th of July is a good song. I remember liking that song a lot.

Have you seen them live?

Trotskilicious
02-05-2015, 07:35 PM
what hardcore u like bruh

Sonic Johnny
02-05-2015, 08:30 PM
u into bridge 9 or deathwish mang. Varisty jerseys or entombed cutoffs? skramz or powerviolence?

Elphenor
02-06-2015, 01:58 AM
When I say hardcore I'm talking about 80's American Punk

But not Black Flag, fuck Black Flag

I bet SJ likes Black Flag

Elphenor
02-06-2015, 02:01 AM
Is "At the Drive In" hardcore

Or is that post-hardcore

Elphenor
02-06-2015, 02:06 AM
DK, Germs, Minor Threat, Bad Brains, etc.

You know, the usuals

Sonic Johnny
02-06-2015, 02:09 AM
:rolleyes:

*sigh*

y'know, Bad Brains, Agnostic Front, Discharge, Cro-Mags, Gorilla Biscuits, Negative Approach, Madball, Bane, Propaghandi, Punch, Code Orange

y'know... hardcore?

Sonic Johnny
02-06-2015, 02:11 AM
But not Black Flag, fuck Black Flag


you are an idiot. Rise Above is the distillation of everything you like into its rawest, most honest no-bullshit no-posturing form. If you like jibbery joy division clones and you don't like black flag but you claim to just wanna rock, you are a fucking idiot.

Sonic Johnny
02-06-2015, 02:12 AM
ATDI is definitely post-hardcore but post-hardcore can be pretty great too. You should listen to Drive Like Jehu, Elph. If that band doesn't do it for you you are beyond redemption.

Elphenor
02-06-2015, 02:12 AM
Code Orange are pretty fucking greatttt

Elphenor
02-06-2015, 02:18 AM
you are an idiot. Rise Above is the distillation of everything you like into its rawest, most honest no-bullshit no-posturing form. If you like jibbery joy division clones and you don't like black flag but you claim to just wanna rock, you are a fucking idiot.

jibbery joy division clones

Cmon

Problem with Black Flag is Henry Rollins is a jock masquerading as a Punk and that's what I've always heard in the music.

He says so much stupid bullshit I can't even.

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Elphenor
02-06-2015, 02:20 AM
He embodies the shitty chest pounding testosterone breed of Punk

Elphenor
02-06-2015, 02:27 AM
Black Sabbath is teh best

None of that other faggy British stuff

Sonic Johnny
02-06-2015, 02:28 AM
If you think Black Flag = Rollins you're a fool. And if you think that punk isn't 80% just jocks with Marx readers you're a fool.

Elphenor
02-06-2015, 02:33 AM
I agree with the first part disagree with the second

Some of Black Flag's stuff can be enjoyable 100% despite Rollins

Elphenor
02-06-2015, 02:34 AM
Jell-O is not a Jock. He's a theater kid with a lisp that he got bullied for it

Edit: Wait 80%. I probably listen to the 20% that isn't

Sonic Johnny
02-06-2015, 03:16 AM
I probably listen to the 20% that isn't

Keep telling yourself this. One day you'll turn around and realise that 99% of the people who make the music you like are people you would never, ever want to socialise with.

bobliefeld
02-06-2015, 07:53 AM
hardcore is all about madball.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WA-ox1qNryI

bye june
02-06-2015, 10:14 AM
But lets not forget guitargate please. Think of the guitars. Never forget.

i like to think juney-baby learnt from his mistakes re:that whole escapade
i remember the song involved being pretty enjoyable too for what it's worth

http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2015/037/0/8/guitar_by_keithsimcox-d8gvwfi.jpg

The exploding boy
02-06-2015, 01:43 PM
:(


You are going to hell for this.

The exploding boy
02-06-2015, 01:43 PM
only the Devil smashes guitar. Or those possessed by him. Like all those rock n rollers.

Elphenor
02-06-2015, 03:34 PM
Keep telling yourself this. One day you'll turn around and realise that 99% of the people who make the music you like are people you would never, ever want to socialise with.

But...but

They're my only friends :(

The exploding boy
02-06-2015, 04:00 PM
About Rollins, he has this great quote in that Don Letts doc on punk though about (some) Hardcore. Yes there it is.

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The exploding boy
02-06-2015, 04:01 PM
does he say spectral muscles though?

slunken
02-06-2015, 04:10 PM
fabulous muscle

slunken
02-06-2015, 04:11 PM
je t'aime le valley OH!

slunken
02-06-2015, 04:31 PM
an issue i've been noticing and kind of been dancing around here and there is that there is definitely a cultural line in the sand where exploring music was very much once a history assignment and you learned about the cultural context behind the music as well as the music itself.

now everything is just a click away and it exists in every timeline.

not saying one is good or one is bad but holy hell if the internet was like it is today when i was a teenager i would have burned through so much music who knows where i would be at today

slunken
02-06-2015, 04:33 PM
just to clarify a little w/out editing: it used to stand where you would listen to a band and if you really loved them you would start to learn about their influences that came before. eventually that would lead you to the start of music (or at least music for you).

now i don't feel that happens at all. or if it does it is very traditional and rare, almost from a purest attitude.

idk not concrete thoughts but just shooting the shit

slunken
02-06-2015, 04:34 PM
http://tinyurl.com/o544d4x

Trotskilicious
02-06-2015, 06:16 PM
I love him

Trotskilicious
02-06-2015, 06:17 PM
you are an idiot. Rise Above is the distillation of everything you like into its rawest, most honest no-bullshit no-posturing form. If you like jibbery joy division clones and you don't like black flag but you claim to just wanna rock, you are a fucking idiot.

He also saod he thought wire was overrated, now he cant stop listening to pink flag

Duh. Its fuckin awesome

Trotskilicious
02-06-2015, 06:21 PM
Rollins says great stuff sometimes but he does say incredibly stupid bullshit a lot (his thoughts on robin williams suicide are breathtakinly ignorant)

But hes not all that different than moz in this regard

Trotskilicious
02-06-2015, 06:23 PM
just to clarify a little w/out editing: it used to stand where you would listen to a band and if you really loved them you would start to learn about their influences that came before. eventually that would lead you to the start of music (or at least music for you).

now i don't feel that happens at all. or if it does it is very traditional and rare, almost from a purest attitude.

idk not concrete thoughts but just shooting the shit

I think yr right but still i did all this research on the internet. i was 18 when napster ruled the world

ButtHash
02-06-2015, 08:14 PM
Totes had the music forum page zoomed in so it looked like the thread could have said "you think soundgarden affected no age's success?"

Mals Marola
02-06-2015, 08:43 PM
that rollins thing on morrissey is fucking hilarious, i lol'd multiple times

Elphenor
02-06-2015, 09:41 PM
He also saod he thought wire was overrated, now he cant stop listening to pink flag

Duh. Its fuckin awesome

It is awesome

Elphenor
02-06-2015, 09:42 PM
There's something strange going on tonight

There's something going on that's not quite right

*sunglasses*

Elphenor
02-06-2015, 09:47 PM
just to clarify a little w/out editing: it used to stand where you would listen to a band and if you really loved them you would start to learn about their influences that came before. eventually that would lead you to the start of music (or at least music for you).

now i don't feel that happens at all. or if it does it is very traditional and rare, almost from a purest attitude.


I def listen to music like this, it's important for me to know the influences and the context of the bands I listen to so I can fully understand where they're coming from. I love music history and get a real kick out of learning about that stuff.

But it does seem uncommon among the people I know, but I don't know if that's a young person thing or just a general people don't care about music as much as me thing.

Elphenor
02-06-2015, 09:48 PM
For example, The fall led me to garage rock like The Monks and Krautrock like Faust because those were the type of bands Marky obsessed over

The exploding boy
02-06-2015, 10:02 PM
Watched the Rollins thing on Moz and I have to say the November Spawned a Monster video was my introduction to Morrissey in like 1991 and i was a bit like..ok what the fuck is this? It used to annoy me whenever it came on.

Trotskilicious
02-06-2015, 10:16 PM
There's something strange going on tonight

There's something going on that's not quite right

*sunglasses*

REM covered this on document

fuzzyroes
02-07-2015, 05:51 AM
I love him

lol who the heck is that guy anyways? Always cracks me up:D

fuzzyroes
02-07-2015, 05:53 AM
that rollins thing on morrissey is fucking hilarious, i lol'd multiple times

haha me too. I'm not really fan of his music but I always get a kick outta his interviews and soundbites.

bye june
02-07-2015, 09:58 AM
je t'aime le valley OH!

great song

just to clarify a little w/out editing: it used to stand where you would listen to a band and if you really loved them you would start to learn about their influences that came before. eventually that would lead you to the start of music (or at least music for you).

now i don't feel that happens at all. or if it does it is very traditional and rare, almost from a purest attitude.

idk not concrete thoughts but just shooting the shit

This is how I got into all the bands I love...one band leads to another band who influenced another band that had members in this other band and so on.

toase
02-07-2015, 01:51 PM
and joy division, my bloody valentine, new order, depeche mode, the cure...

slunken
02-07-2015, 02:15 PM
howdy pilgrims i'm john wayne

The exploding boy
02-07-2015, 03:01 PM
and joy division, my bloody valentine, new order, depeche mode, the cure...

i think outside of DM and cure, the output of the rest is too uneven to really say for sure it's better than pre-breakup SP. And i still like New Order more than SP.

for my money JD is more misses than hits (but the hits are really good) and MBV has one good record.

The exploding boy
02-07-2015, 03:03 PM
SP is better than Boston and Rush and Cheap trick. Not like that was hard though.

brutechinasky
02-07-2015, 04:31 PM
for my money JD is more misses than hits (but the hits are really good) and MBV has one good record.

please

brutechinasky
02-07-2015, 04:45 PM
mkay

brutechinasky
02-07-2015, 04:54 PM
i like isn't anything more than loveless

brutechinasky
02-07-2015, 04:55 PM
and possibly mc more than sd

brutechinasky
02-07-2015, 04:59 PM
and maybe but just maybe i like rubber soul just a little more than the ones you listed

Elphenor
02-07-2015, 05:05 PM
SP is better than Boston and Rush and Cheap trick. Not like that was hard though.

Yup yup

brutechinasky
02-07-2015, 05:11 PM
Rubber Soul is good, very good, but come on man.

i know, but nowhere man and in my life are prob my fav beatles songs evah

Elphenor
02-07-2015, 05:34 PM
you might like SP more but Rush is a way better band

By what metric

Elphenor
02-07-2015, 05:37 PM
SP is not better than The Cure though no way not in any dimension

Elphenor
02-07-2015, 05:39 PM
you just don't get it.

You're right, I don't.

I find Rush to be basically unlistanable

Trotskilicious
02-07-2015, 05:40 PM
i don't like rush either

Elphenor
02-07-2015, 05:42 PM
Answer: George Harrison

Lennon, bro

Always Lennon

Trotskilicious
02-07-2015, 05:44 PM
i don't talk shit about rush though i'm smarter than that

Elphenor
02-07-2015, 05:45 PM
also no one mentioned pink floyd. shame on you all...

Pink Floyd is always an acceptable answer.

I wouldn't try to disagree with someone who said they're the greatest band ever

brutechinasky
02-07-2015, 05:47 PM
but pink floyd is def dadrock

Elphenor
02-07-2015, 05:49 PM
The Wall is but I still hold that album in a very special place

Syd Barrett stuff is the "cool" Pink Floyd stuff to like I would suppose.

Elphenor
02-07-2015, 05:50 PM
Syd was a true genius

Piper at the Gates still holds up as the best psychedelic pop I've ever heard and I keep searching and searching

brutechinasky
02-07-2015, 05:53 PM
i hope you've heard his solo albums

Elphenor
02-07-2015, 05:53 PM
So good

The exploding boy
02-07-2015, 06:00 PM
They might have millions of fans but Rush is such a niche band. Either you're THAT kind of nerd or you're not. And if you're not, there's no argument that can make you believe Rush is good. I do respect them though. Dad rock, no. Rock for people who love maths, yes.

Elphenor
02-07-2015, 06:02 PM
It really is the type of band Math people love. I'm not saying it's inherently a bad thing, just not for me.

Trotskilicious
02-07-2015, 06:25 PM
honestly nobody cares what you don't like, i still struggle with keeping that to myself but you seem to want everyone to know every time. nobody cares.

Elphenor
02-08-2015, 09:18 AM
My favorite Beatles stuff by far is the hippy Lennon stuff with like Sitars and shit "Within and Without you" and "Tomorrow Never Knows" and "Love you to"

Also Lennon's voice is just godly much more interesting and enjoyable to listen to than Paul's

Elphenor
02-08-2015, 09:21 AM
Though Paul wrote "Here there and Everywhere"

One of the greatest songs ever plain and simple

reprise85
02-08-2015, 11:39 AM
revolver is probably my favorite beatles album. and i like paul and john pretty equally, though of course i want to like john more. eleanor rigby is my favorite song i think.

and taxman is a great, fun song. score 1 for harrison

brutechinasky
02-08-2015, 11:42 AM
My favorite Beatles stuff by far is the hippy Lennon stuff with like Sitars and shit "Within and Without you" and "Tomorrow Never Knows" and "Love you to"


two of those are harrison's

Elphenor
02-08-2015, 01:31 PM
Oh you're right they are. Honestly didn't know that

houseofglass11
02-08-2015, 03:26 PM
Syd was a true genius

Piper at the Gates still holds up as the best psychedelic pop I've ever heard and I keep searching and searching

There are some other psych records from that 1967/1968 period that are pretty good too:

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houseofglass11
02-08-2015, 03:28 PM
SP is better than Sabbath, Joy Division, the Cure, all those other bands.


Nope.

bobliefeld
02-09-2015, 09:43 AM
paul was the best beatle.

Elphenor
02-09-2015, 11:16 AM
There are some other psych records from that 1967/1968 period that are pretty good too:

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Great stuff, I love psych music