http://instagram.com/p/wKroBVtVJ0/

hey, how about that...

Weird. He literally just talked shit about her in a BBC interview.

I see the joker was invited. Was Courtney taking the picture?

he looks younger and thinner too ... so retro

I opened the picture listening to Dorian...man.

he looks younger and thinner too ... so retro

I was thinking the opposite. He looks old and estrogenic to me.

vicious71
Seen all of ya'll in your better days

I was thinking the opposite. He looks old and estrogenic to me.

Billy is on the left, I think.

Good one.

I guess I should say that he pretty much looks his age but soft looking.

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hopefully manson influences corgan to dust off some leather dresses and make some goth metal like it was 1999

amirite

Love looks like she's wearing a spooky mask


Also I just realized that Billy and Kurt were eskimo brothers

Manson looks like he just realized he is at a super low point in his career.

These three need to form a "super" group

now there's a proposition to hook back in j.j. chamberlin

I would pay a lot of money to see any combination of those people together on a stage

If you think about it really any of those 3 could easily be dp'd by the others

Manson, vocals
Billy, Guitar
Jimmy, Drums
Love, backing vocals and Bass?

I don't know enough about her

But I figure anyone can play bass

I would pay a lot of money to see any combination of those people together on a stage

Like a sexual combination? 3some?

But I figure anyone can play bass

Probably not.

http://youtu.be/v-xUwDARVb4

Except we've witnessed her play guitar and sing for real many other times....

The bashing of Love is great for pointing out the misogynists to everyone

She's sitting next to two of the most washed up and dysfunctional people in music

Courtney is a frontwoman singer-songwriter type but people try to take her to task for not being Jimi Hendrix or Whitney Houston or whatever. I'm not sure it's always misogyny but I don't think it's fair in any case. I think she's a great entertainer

Remember that time they caught Iggy Pop singing off key and not playing guitar, on tape?? Man what a scandal that was

corg looks good here.

I see the joker was invited. Was Courtney taking the picture?

Like, seriously?

Idk, Manson can't sing or play guitar, Corgan can't sing. They're both pretty shitty people


Punk guys

Despite some regrettable things i've said in the past that i wish i could take back, i think its kind of pretty lazy and wrong to say that anyone who doesn't like Love or think she sucks is necessarily a misogynist. The fact remains i don't like her for various reasons but i like plenty of women in rock.

Also...the fact that you don't even know what the hell she could do in this fictional band and say maybe she could play bass cause like it's easy and anyone can do that...could be seen as misogynist.

And yeah anyone can play bass like anyone can play guitar like anyone can play keyboard like anyone can play drums, playing an instrument well is something else though. But it is true a lot of bands treat bass like it doesnt really matter...

True love never dies in the heart, Billy...billybaby.

I said "bass maybe" because I've never listened to her music so didn't know if she was instrumentally talented

I've only ever known that she's a performer who gets shit on for doing the same things male rockstars do

Like that whole "she killed Kurt" thing lololol

well yeah that is dumb.

For some reason I believe Courtney is now the only person who could put billy and James together again.

The bashing of Love is great for pointing out the misogynists to everyone

She's sitting next to two of the most washed up and dysfunctional people in music

Blah blah blah feminist drivel. The bashing of Love has to do with the fact that's she a psycho bitch who, if not directly involved, definitely drove Kurt Cobain to suicide. Just listen to "You Know You're Right" by Nirvana for proof of that.

If you think I'm giving Corgan a free pass while bashing Love, you clearly haven't looked at my posting history.

People make such a big fucking deal about how since so and so is a man or woman, we should/shouldn't be feeling this way about them

That's not how it should work

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Probably not.

http://youtu.be/v-xUwDARVb4

whoooa

mind blown.

say what you will about corgan but he can still hold his own up there

Blah blah blah feminist drivel. The bashing of Love has to do with the fact that's she a psycho bitch who, if not directly involved, definitely drove Kurt Cobain to suicide. Just listen to "You Know You're Right" by Nirvana for proof of that.

See what I'm talking about?

No.

Yeah, I saw what you're talking about and I think you're full of shit. One of the most irritating posters here by far.

It couldn't have been, you know, the heroin

Rockstars are generally unbalanced, shitty people. And I wouldn't have it any other way. Courtney is no worse than Kurt, Manson, Corgan, Reznor etc.

Courtney has far less talent than any of those three.

Pretty subjective

Er... 4. Rip, Kurt.

And before you poo poo your pants and scream misogyny, Kim Deal would be a better example of someone on par with the others. Courtney married the right guy and made friends with people to keep her in the spotlight. Money helped continue that for years.

Yeah, it's all subjective.

Courtney has far less talent than any of those three.

It depends on what you're judging her by, musically maybe not. She's certainly an intelligent but ruthless person who has used that to her advantage.

Musically Manson has like zero talent whatsoever and I love the guy. He's just a performance artist with a cool sounding vocal tone

Yeah, I personally don't think either of them are all that musically talented but it's a toss up.

Anyway, there are much, much better female rock figures from the 90s (and late 80s) who are a better representation of women in music during her time.

One thing I think is cool about courtney is how she can always seem to steam roll billy. She is really funny!

Courtney has made a living out of being a trainwreck, shitshow, how ever you look at it.

if you find inspiration in that, then hey, go for it

See what I'm talking about?

Yes, this (houseofglass11's post) is so fucking dumb I don't know where to start.

I find it difficult to really defend Courtney when she has thrown a lot of shade towards her female contemporaries, that and fact that practically all the men in alternative rock that were giving her praises were sleeping with her. Again, she's intelligent, savvy, and charming, but a great musician/writer she is not. She knew how to get into circles, talk to/sleep with the right people, promo herself, gossip, etc. It's certainly a gift, just not a musical one.

Pretty subjective

Yeah it must be when you've already admitted that you've never even heard Courtney Love's music.

Yes, this (houseofglass11's post) is so fucking dumb I don't know where to start.

What's dumb about it? My post simply stated that I believe Courtney Love drove Kurt Cobain to suicide. She's a nutcase, even her own father thinks so. Haven't you seen
the Kurt and Courtney documentary? It's well documented that she was a big time exhibitionist and fame seeker who would do anything to be famous, and who was looking for a rock star to sink her hooks into. That's coming from the mouths of people who knew her best.

It's been documented that Kurt was seeking a divorce from her at the time. Whether or not she had a direct hand in his death...who knows for sure, but she definitely had a lot to lose from the biggest rock star on the planet divorcing her, and a lot to gain with him dead and her gaining rights to all his estate's royalties.

Really though, there's no point in preaching this to Courtney Love advocates. Your mind is already made up clearly.

Kurt obviously thought she was pretty cool at some point considering he married her, knocked her up and publicly paraded their relationship

There is no way to accuse Courtney of what you're saying without also accusing Kurt of being a little fuckboy baby bitch

Well yeah, he was. He was an insecure, needy, and messed up guy. Someone like him was ripe for the taking by someone as dominant as Courtney Love. She has said publicly that he acted like a big baby all the time especially when he was on heroin and that she had to mother him.

She played the same mind games with BC even. She said in an interview how she deliberately kept their relationship unbalanced and the power in her hands by never saying "I love you" back, amused at how enamored BC was with her.

This is pretty typical. Messed up Insecure girly dudes fall for sexually agressive messed up women.

Blaming Love for Kurt's suicide and not the insecurities, depression, and drug abuse that made him need her is stupid

incredibly stupid! he fetishized suicide in his early teen years - watching the budd dwyer suicide tape over and over when he was dating tracy marander. his heroin addiction + stomach condition + pressure of success/conflicted feelings on whether or not to continue or go away and make music on a 4-track - all this only accelerated what was inevitable.

It couldn't have been, you know, the heroin

Rockstars are generally unbalanced, shitty people. And I wouldn't have it any other way. Courtney is no worse than Kurt, Manson, Corgan, Reznor etc.

who the fuck are you to judge any of them? if you're going to bitch about this "misogyny" crap don't just draw some kind of retarded moral line where you're still somehow obliged to judge other people on their words and actions, seriously

That's Elphy logic for ya. He cites that misogyny is the only reason that people don't like Courtney Love yet he hasn't even encountered any of her work at all.

tbf Hole was great, and i dont think it matters at all that she needed help from collaborators & ghost writers. heard for the first time recently that kim gordon was the ghost writer of pretty on the inside, dunno if thats a real rumor or a goof on the kurt live thru this rumors and the established billy writing on celebrity skin

This thread is full of such utter fucking stupidity.

Instagram filter.

Talking with the two opening acts on this tour.

Anyway, there are much, much better female rock figures from the 90s (and late 80s) who are a better representation of women in music during her time.

That is certainly true. I just have to balk when anyone calls her a feminist icon. There are some of those in rock music, she isn't one of them. The fact that she did in fact pretty much sleep her way to fame puts her as ANYTHING but a feminist icon. On the other hand, the men who let her do it are as guilty in my mind.

But i think most of her issues are all due to drug problems (basically why people call her a psycho, that ends up being most people on drugs, they act in weird and irrational ways, she's no more psycho than most guys who ever had a hard drug problem). Which she's clearly not the first to have in rock music. But yeah probably got more shit than a lot of men for it. Still i dont give a pass to any men who have behaved in a similar way. And i don't consider Manson to be a more worthy artist than Love for sure. both wouldn't be much of anything without the people they surrounded themselves with. Though i suppose both have a talent to build an image that people responded to

It is stupid to say she caused Kurt's death though. Like let's absolve Kurt of all blame for his own SUICIDE. What? For one if she's such an awful person and Kurt is such a great guy, why did he end up with her then? i don't buy into this whole actually misogynistic way of thinking like...some bad girls can just ruin some perfectly great men....

I think Hole was underrated and took a lot of shit from people simply because they hated Courtney. But I in no way want to see her perform live with Bill. whatever she once had she's lost. Like her voice, timing and ability to play three chords live

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That is certainly true. I just have to balk when anyone calls her a feminist icon. There are some of those in rock music, she isn't one of them. The fact that she did in fact pretty much sleep her way to fame puts her as ANYTHING but a feminist icon. On the other hand, the men who let her do it are as guilty in my mind.


That's fair...but it really depends. There are a lot of differing viewpoints in feminism, it's not like it's a unified set of ideologies. Some would argue that what Courtney did was empowering to herself and she used men the way that some men use women. She essentially reversed the roles while keeping the upper-hand.

I'd want to disagree but that is actually a fair point.

lol at how manson is so used to trying to hide his chin

who the fuck are you to judge any of them? if you're going to bitch about this "misogyny" crap don't just draw some kind of retarded moral line where you're still somehow obliged to judge other people on their words and actions, seriously

What?

C'mon Rockstars are not good people. Even by their own admission.

I just take issue with Courtney getting called a "psycho bitch" for doing what every male rockstar does and gets loved for.

I thought that was one of those Creed Shreds type video's...


her voice is fine, but jeez, she butchers that poor Rickenbacker. Her feel aint great, but it sure isn't helped by the tuning...her tech must have really hated her.

Nice bait

Amazing how Bill can make up with Courtney every couple of years yet call James Iha "the worst human being I've ever met"

Marilyn Manson hints at Smashing Pumpkins London gig guest spot
http://www.nme.com/news/smashing-pumpkins/81554

What?

C'mon Rockstars are not good people. Even by their own admission.

I just take issue with Courtney getting called a "psycho bitch" for doing what every male rockstar does and gets loved for.

Really? Explain to me what Trent Reznor has done post-1996 that even comes close to doing what Courtney Love has done.

Manson just joined them for an encore of his new single along with ava adore

Manson just joined them for an encore of his new single along with ava adore

Video footage >>>
http://www.gigwise.com/news/96645/marilyn-manson-joins-smashing-pumpkins-at-london-koko-show---watch

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hahahahahahaha

MM got completely lost in Ava Adore a few times which was quite funny!

A good gig, Silverfuck was very impressive. Felt like they zipped through lots of songs, probably due to the brevity of the new stuff. Zero sounded great vocally, know there were some folk griping about his vocals in that from the BBC thing.

you know if Bolly's goal is to be relevant with the kids, i don't think playing live with the embarrassing late 90's grotesquerie that is MM is gonna win him any points.

longer video of mansons song

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note to billy: don't dance

If anybody finds any more videos please post them I need to see more of this

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Really? Explain to me what Trent Reznor has done post-1996 that even comes close to doing what Courtney Love has done.

He won an Oscar.

It occurs to me now how much the new MM single actually DOES sound like it might have been a SP song in the late 90's.

http://www.theonion.com/articles/marilyn-manson-now-going-doortodoor-trying-to-shoc,459/

for years i've been kicking around this idea for a comic involving manson as either a mailman or the owner/driver of a small pizza delivery. either called "marilyn mailman" or "antichrist spaghettistar"

either way its him going door to door

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#billybaby !!!!

This is awesome. This should become a regular thing

hopefully manson influences corgan to dust off some leather dresses and make some goth metal like it was 1999

amirite

no

for years i've been kicking around this idea for a comic involving manson as either a mailman or the owner/driver of a small pizza delivery. either called "marilyn mailman" or "antichrist spaghettistar"

the beautiful pizza

More guys

how many songs did they play and why don't we have a full youtube of Manson's song? C'mon this is awesome

Manson's new song is better than anything on MTAE

true love never dies

in the heart

Please let Corgan just play guitar for Manson from now on

the beautiful pizza

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it lives inside my mouth
and tells me when to pay
when i add the toppings
on it makes it go away

the taste of sausage
and pepperoni
three kinds of cheese upon thin crust

he lives inside my mouth
and tells me what to say
when he turns the trains
on he makes it go away

the taste of metal
disintegrator
three holes upon the leather belt

i've had years to develop this

i have some sketches somewhere let me find them

<del> ok i can't find them in photobucket but i found some other stuff of course i'll just put it in the comics thread on the gen board</del> okay i found them

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i've got an old sketch book somewhere with at least five full page 9 panel comics

Marinara Manson

I'm not a slave, to a flying spaghetti monster, that doesn't exist!

Babble babble bitch bitch
Rebel rebel party party
Sex sex sex and don't forget to tip your delivery man.

Twiggy Ramesco

I wrapped our wings in all this foil
Silver tight on chicken legs
I never wanted it to ever spoil
I'm glad chickens will always lay their eggs

corporate pizza now you've gone too far
here's your anti-Hut superstar

Ziti Berkowitz

Antipasto Superstar

Ginger Fish can stay the same. The band is destined to be an Italian carryout service, I see it now

corporate pizza now you've gone too far
here's your anti-Hut superstar

loooool

When All Of Your Order Is Granted,
Much Of Your Hunger Will Be Destroyed.

We Guarantee It.

I love Courtney and I love Hole and I think she and Kurt were a terrific couple and what happened was just bullshit tragic life, shit happens, it sucks, her life was more of a mess than it was before the suicide, she's one for the girls.

When I was in the psych ward at the hospital and busy thinking that being innocent and sweet were the best thing to become, and pure, and holy... Somebody brought in celebrity skin and played it to me - she was a lesbian with a shaved head. She was like remember this shit? You gotta get outta here. And I was like damn. Fuck this shit, you're right, I'm outta here. Courtney is one for the girls...she's the big sister who threw her life on the fire so you could see for yourself what it looks like when someone gets burned alive, or swallowed up, or consumed...so we don't have to do that now.

But her face D: OMG why :( Courtney you were so perfect, just stop screwing around with that shit. The last thing I need is for you to go full retard and pull a Michael Jackson/ Joan rivers on me, right now. Just please stop.

Manson's new song is better than anything on MTAE

This. Point in fact I'd wager his whole album's going to be better. Deep Six sounds like the studio version will be damned good.

They've both been putting out shitty albums for the better part of the last decade, but it's a toss-up as to who's become a sadder display.

I'm just saying if they played in the same group it'd get attention and it'd be the most interesting thing Corgan could do at this point

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rad

Ava Adore shouldn't be played THAT slow...they played it even slower than the album version.

sucks for MM, looks like he's really hit the dirt. But good on Billy, getting him up there!

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Ugh...

So who else thinks about a minute into performing Ava Adore Billy was like, "Maybe this wasn't such a great idea."

I kinda feel bad for Billy here, you can see he's trying so hard to save this disaster.
You see him laugh and try to play it off, but it's instantly followed by a sullen and serious face.
But Marilyn Manson is just drunk and oblivious to how terrible it sounds.
I heard this is the equivalent of MM's shows lately, him just drunk and barely able to sing and complete a song live.

Manson just facepalm'd his own performance.
I think we found the new facepalm meme...

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It sounded alright.

He didn't sing Eye right like over 10 years ago either but it's not his song

It just seems like Manson sang his own song just fine without just screaming nonsense and then just took a big ol' stinking turd on Billy's song.

I'm gonna be serious while singing my song but act like a complete drunk fool on yours, Billy.

Did anyone see MM's recent performance of The Beautiful People where he had Johnny Depp on guitar and Ninja from Die Antwoord?
That was pure chaos and all over the frigging place. Looked like they were all having fun, but they didn't trainwreck the song.

This was on Halloween at The Roxy...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlYH2UKus3I

The way they played Manson's song sounds goood

I haven't really been into his later material, but I agree that the Manson song actually sounded pretty good.

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n 2 it

more please

Like basically I'm still a fan of Corgan musically but he does those dumb things with his voice and he doesn't write sad/dark lyrics anymore so I'd rather this sort of thing than another "Pumpkins" tour

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Though Billy's voice sounds good on that Ava. See positive influence already

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There it is!

Actually...
I'm kinda happy to see that Marilyn had a sobering moment to reflect and think "How the hell did it come to this? What the fuck am I doing?"

Though Billy's voice sounds good on that Ava. See positive influence already

My thoughts exactly. Like does he normally sound this impassioned live these days? He sounded great

Yeah, I swear the reason he doesn't normally sound good singing the old stuff is that he's literally bored. Manson made things interesting for him. I think if he did stuff like that regularly it would almost be like a competitive thing and it would really push Billy idk

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That was really cool! Good to see Billy reconnecting with some of his old friends again. Manson and Billy rocked Ava Adore. Fun to enjoy

I'd definitely pay big money to see a SP/MM/CL tour.

I saw Courtney love 2 summers ago and she sounded fucking great.

Here's a clip from the show

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Voice has held up awesomely

I love Courtney and I love Hole and I think she and Kurt were a terrific couple and what happened was just bullshit tragic life, shit happens, it sucks, her life was more of a mess than it was before the suicide, she's one for the girls.

When I was in the psych ward at the hospital and busy thinking that being innocent and sweet were the best thing to become, and pure, and holy... Somebody brought in celebrity skin and played it to me - she was a lesbian with a shaved head. She was like remember this shit? You gotta get outta here. And I was like damn. Fuck this shit, you're right, I'm outta here. Courtney is one for the girls...she's the big sister who threw her life on the fire so you could see for yourself what it looks like when someone gets burned alive, or swallowed up, or consumed...so we don't have to do that now

Yeah like let us have our female tragic figures you boys have plenty of your own

I'd definitely pay big money to see a SP/MM/CL tour.

I saw Courtney love 2 summers ago and she sounded fucking great.

Here's a clip from the show

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Voice has held up awesomely
Holds up as a better front(wo)man than what any of these other 90s alternarock bands are working with

it's really funny that it looks like MM is facepalming but i assure you he didn't

Why would he facepalm a nice performance like that

how do you guys judge stuff based on youtube clips for all i know that sounded great live but on someone's shitty cell phone it will always sound like shit

pumpkins fans man

Holds up as a better front(wo)man than what any of these other 90s alternarock bands are working with

Definitely. Based on the raw energy and vocal delivery, I'd say shes held up better than any of the other 90's vocalists that I've seen... And I've pretty much seen em all (who are still around nowadays).

All of the local media outlets gave the show raving reviews as well.

I kinda went to the show on a last minute whim. I had just got paid and found out that I wasn't due into work, so I went down to the club to try and find a ticket. The show was sold out. I was having no luck and I was waiting at the box-office with some other girl (who loved my Zero shirt and was a big SP fan) hoping that they'd release a couple tickets... Then some drunk mid 40's guy came walking up to us and was like "You need tickets" ya... he pulled out a pair, and was like here take em... Just outright gave em to us and didn't want any money in return.

I was willing to spend up to 150 to get in too.

Was a hell of a show, great set list, get energy. Might be one of my favorite 90's acts I've ever seen live.

well the local media outlets are never wrong

Well, I think a lot of people were just expecting kind of a train-wreck factor, so it took a lot of people by surprise when she just tore the set up and put on a helluva show.

It was a small club and she just killed it. Her voice just pierced through the acoustics of the club. It was fantastic. Her 2nd song was her cover of Golddust woman. Too good.

i'm sure local media where you are is desperate to suck up to even a star as small as courtney love

where do you live again 100 mile house, BC?

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i'm sure local media where you are is desperate to suck up to even a star as small as courtney love

where do you live again 100 mile house, BC?

Just a 30-60 minute drive outside of Vancouver

Courtney's voice and presence are great Trotsky its really not about a cell phone video

It's really true. I always read people bashing Courtney saying she couldn't sing and that her performances were awful but it couldn't be further from the truth at the show I was at. And I'm not a fanboy of hers at all. Shes still legitimately fucking great

Courtney's voice and presence are great Trotsky its really not about a cell phone video

you mean the MM & BC thing? it sounds like horrible audio to me, i couldn't watch much of it they're both so fat and old and lame
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i wasn't really making fun of courtney love, i don't like her much but i was making fun of "local media outlets"

i mean i guess maybe this isn't about how it sounds and more about how fat and old and lame they both are because they are both fat old and lame

It's true but still

how do you guys judge stuff based on youtube clips for all i know that sounded great live but on someone's shitty cell phone it will always sound like shit

As I said over in the tour thread, haters gonna hate and bitches gonna bitch. Everyone who was there had a great time and the show fucking rocked. The smiles on people's faces and the chatter as we left the venue was that we'd witnessed a pretty special show. This forum fucking stinks. A bunch of whinging douches who get kicks out of wanting people to fail. Really sad. If you've given up on the band fine....just fucking move on with your life.

hey you're talking to one of the most negative people here so how about that for irony

Decaying 90s stars are kind of my thing

i do want to say that kurt cobain was a bigger pushover than you seem to think

well far as i could tell

which really means nothing when you get down to it, we're just projecting ourselves onto these people's personal lives

With all the shit talking I was expecting this to be horrible but I actually found myself enjoying it. Ava Adore seems like the kind of song that Manson would be attracted to with the lyrics being so self aggrandizing. We all know he wishes that he could have written something on par with Corgan's best material despite the negative things he has had to say over the years.

i do want to say that kurt cobain was a bigger pushover than you seem to think

I don't doubt that he was a pushover
I pretty much find the entire issue to be stupid

that conversation you were having was probably literally about courtney being responsible for kurt's suicide

kurt killed his own self because he was seriously ill

buuut courtney certainly didn't help him out by schtupping bill corgan

course if courtney dumped him he'd probably make like that police song

Holds up as a better front(wo)man than what any of these other 90s alternarock bands are working with

I will hold off until the Veruca Salt tour until I agree with this.

Nina Gordon :love:

you know if Bolly's goal is to be relevant with the kids, i don't think playing live with the embarrassing late 90's grotesquerie that is MM is gonna win him any points.

how about picking Ninja as a live guest... I can't think of many bands that are more embarrassing than Die Antwoord

http://londonoa.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/ninja-from-die-antwoord.jpg

billy, manson and all the other greats oughta just form a sort of justice league and play together/tour together.

Yesh...

a goth-metally Traveling Wilbury's from Billy and company is what the world could use right about now.


Whatever Gen-X musical equivalent there is to Bob Dylan, George Harrison, Jeff Lynne, Roy Orbison, and Tom Petty; get it together, maybe even write a few hits. stranger things have happened...

what is this supposed billy/manson feud all about? i've tried looking it up and haven't found much.

Some excerpts that give insight into the whole Corgan vs Love vs Manson vs Corgan issue...

Corgan got tiffed at Love when he felt he hadn’t received proper credit for songwriting duties on Hole’s 2010 Nobody’s Daughter LP. He told Rolling Stone, “I have no interest in supporting her in any way, shape or form. You can’t throw enough things down the abyss with a person like that.”

"I asked myself what is the last band in the world I would ever, ever want to tour with, and it was Hole, beyond a doubt," Manson told the San Francisco Examiner before Hole's exit. "But then I thought, I love a challenge, I like to surround myself with aggravation, it helps me perform better. And I thought, well, here's a chance to show Courtney the difference between being a celebrity and being a real rock star." Manson then added, "She never talked to me until I sold a million records. Sometimes we talk and it seems OK, other times, she's just a bitch. I really don't like her too much."

Read more here:
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/courtney-love-billy-corgan-and-marilyn-manson-end-longstanding-rift-20141206

Corgan and Manson apparently hadn’t talked in 15 years after the latter told the former that “it would be a good marketing idea that if he sold Charlie Brown T-shirts and bald caps at concerts… He does look like Charlie Brown a little bit, in fairness.”

Read more here:
http://consequenceofsound.net/2014/12/billy-corgan-courtney-love-and-marilyn-manson-settle-feud-manson-performs-with-smashing-pumpkins/

Charlie Brown T-shirts and bald caps at concerts… He does look like Charlie Brown a little bit, in fairness.”

god damn that burn is like when nas said jay z looked like a camel

bill is basically the charlie brown of alt rock

i figured people were projecting about stuff that happened 20 years ago but yeah, that sentence would stick in bill's craw for decades

the ones that hurt the most are the ones you know are true

i have doubts billy took the charlie brown thing too seriously.

I think he's pretty sensitive about his lack of hair.
-Gets very angry at guy on JJJ march 1996 who asks billy how his chemo treatment was going. pause... "how does this sound, FUCK OFF"
-That much music thing from 1998 when billy makes a joke about D'arcy riding james, says "ya just grab a mane of hair!" d'arcy laughs and says "yeah, and look who doesn't have their hair anymore." billy is clearly taken aback and embarrassed.
-august 1995, losing his hair, someone asks if the anti-christ walks the earth. billy points to james. everyone laughs. billy says smarmily, "He was tall and good looking....Always wore his hair long."
countless other times. I'm pretty sure Manson's heavy drug use and limited abilities contributed to billy burning that bridge for a bit.

Corgan and Manson apparently hadn’t talked in 15 years after the latter told the former that “it would be a good marketing idea that if he sold Charlie Brown T-shirts and bald caps at concerts… He does look like Charlie Brown a little bit, in fairness.”

lol, what a misconstruement... manson said that last year on larry king live, not "to the former" 15 years ago
god damn who writes this stuff?

billy is smart enough to hear that he's the charlie brown of alt rock and get super butthurt because in his subconscious he knows it's true and if he was a grown up he'd laugh about it and take a perfectly placed shot right back at MM who is easily mocked

"I may be charlie brown, but it beats being the guy covered in goat blood that is safe for nickelodeon at this point."

good lord we don't even know if he'd heard the comment, much less how he took it

i mean it was a year ago and last night they were on stage together... surely this doesn't look to bad on the billy-boy?

btw


-Gets very angry at guy on JJJ march 1996 who asks billy how his chemo treatment was going. pause... "how does this sound, FUCK OFF"

i just listened through this, where exactly does it happened? cos i sure didn't hear it
great performances though

http://www.avclub.com/article/courtney-love-billy-corgan-and-marilyn-manson-are--212699

Heh, he does look like Charlie Brown a bit.

Gotta love the Manson asskissing in both the article and comments

https://scontent-a-sea.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10423637_845158702193248_1252006934237185808_n.jpg ?oh=420e0064af3366e07213012609316da2&oe=5514E952 I kinda wanna go to this

:hurl:

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dammit i thought that was a panel of MM, BC, and Yeezus

that would be incredible

very very special guest

that's what i thought too, like she's mentally challenged

i just listened through this, where exactly does it happened? cos i sure didn't hear it
great performances though

listened to this last week. its there somewhere towards the middle

dammit i thought that was a panel of MM, BC, and Yeezus

that would be incredible

especially if his comments remained the same

larry springer

hopefully manson influences corgan to dust off some leather dresses and make some goth metal like it was 1999

amirite

lol. yes

"The Smashing Pumpkins & Marilyn Manson: The End Times Tour" - hilarious tour name

07-20, New Orleans
http://www.ticketmaster.com/the-smashing-pumpkins-marilyn-manson-new-orleans-louisiana-07-20-2015/event/1B004E7BC72B64D2?artistid=736143&majorcatid=10001&minorcatid=60

oh wow i would see that double bill for sure

Gotta believe Billy's having that executioner's dress he wore during the Machina tour let out for this.

"The Smashing Pumpkins & Marilyn Manson: The End Times Tour" - hilarious tour name

07-20, New Orleans
http://www.ticketmaster.com/the-smashing-pumpkins-marilyn-manson-new-orleans-louisiana-07-20-2015/event/1B004E7BC72B64D2?artistid=736143&majorcatid=10001&minorcatid=60

Hole should open for sure.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HYQXVgs3P7U

oh wow i would see that double bill for sure

19 dates/cities, going on presale today

Gotta believe Billy's having that executioner's dress he wore during the Machina tour let out for this.

Girdle.

19 dates/cities, going on presale today

Just heard about the Cincy date.

Do we know why there's a difference in the list of tour dates between what's on spnexus and what MM posted on his facebook page?

Howard Stern talked about it today:

"The Smashing Pumpkins and Marilyn Manson are going on tour together. Well, Billy Corgan said
we can make this announcement..."

What in the name of God is that tour graphic all about!? Top quality there chaps

http://cdn4.pitchfork.com/news/59054/c75e5ee9.jpg

friend of mine trying to suss out backstage passes...

probably won't happen

What in the name of God is that tour graphic all about!? Top quality there chaps

http://cdn4.pitchfork.com/news/59054/c75e5ee9.jpg

He certainly isn't running from his double chin.

poster is awesome!!

gets me more hyped!!!! concert is going to be mad fire.

billy looks like whatever-his-name is fratboy meme guy in that picture, it's wonderful

Nice!

I think I might make a summer trip to see one of these dates. SP/MM tour sounds epic.

who the fuck are The Smashing Marilyn and Pumpkins Manson? Never heard of either.

or maybe you're just font-blind

it's the smashing marilyn pumpkins manson, just 1 group
an electronic "superduo" featuring some androgynous demon and this guy

http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/093/953/c5b.jpg

or maybe you're just font-blind

I'd try "just being a moron"

The poster looks like one of those 90s documentary preview clips of like, "my next door neighbor shot my dog" type stories.

http://cdn.meme.am/images/300x/4802831.jpg

i think he means this guy

$100 tickets in miami. no thanks assholes

Nice!

I think I might make a summer trip to see one of these dates. SP/MM tour sounds epic.

can someone take fuzzy out when they happen to see him at one of these shows?
the world will be grateful. or, as the old saying goes: nice!

can't wait to rock out to Beautiful People and Rat In A Cage!!!

If they had photoshopped Billy just a little more to the right it would look like he was sitting on Manson's lap.

I haven't seen Mr. Corgan in concert since the Machina tour and this is the first time I've been sorely tempted to see him one last time

Just wish I could attend that last one in Cincinnati of all places where they end the show by waving to the audience, then linking arms to drink from each other's poisoned chalices and collapsing dead on stage

the chalices are poisoned? were they wrought with poison, suffusing the molten iron with a pernicious marrow which would later seep out of the treacherous metal, thus poisoning the chian wine?

If they had photoshopped Billy just a little more to the right it would look like he was sitting on Manson's lap.

>>>

http://i.imgur.com/xHIx85K.jpg

I hope there is some band overlap/guesting.

I'd love to hear Twiggy play with Mark Stoermer.

is billy trying to look like a doofus?

first SP tour since the reunion that i'm not even tempted to go see.

i saw the new band play Thalia Hall and it was okay... but not interested in him playing a greatest hits rock singles set to a bunch of Manson fans.

happy he'll finally get something of a crowd but i really don't know how 48 year old Billy is gonna go over with the Manson crowd.

the chalices are poisoned? were they wrought with poison, suffusing the molten iron with a pernicious marrow which would later seep out of the treacherous metal, thus poisoning the chian wine?

Well I was thinking they could plagiarize Shakespeare by quoting Macbeth before drinking:

But in these cases
We still have judgment here; that we but teach
Bloody instructions, which, being taught, return
To plague the inventor: this even-handed justice
Commends the ingredients of our poison'd chalice
To our own lips.

But yes that's it exactly.