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Catherine Wheel
11-26-2014, 04:35 PM
I remember in the 90s seeing the video for Park Avenue and thinking they had a cool sound. Kind of a mix of Nine Inch Nails style industrial rock mixed with some electronica. I was surprised to find out Freak On Ica doesn't sound like most of their material. They are mostly a hardcore punk and indie rock band.

Catherine Wheel
11-26-2014, 04:43 PM
I think Roxy is my favorite track

Catherine Wheel
11-26-2014, 04:58 PM
Stabbing Westward had some nice singles. I think this was around the time Version 2.0 by Garbage came out and I was really feeling that.

Sonic Johnny
11-26-2014, 08:42 PM
Oh man I forgot stabbing westward existed. Jesus man that band made Filter look good.

Trotskilicious
11-27-2014, 04:02 AM
Oh man I forgot stabbing westward existed. Jesus man that band made Filter look good.

it's so goddamn obvious that them and gravity kills were attempts by other labels, or maybe even the same one, to cash in on the popularity of NIN. and i was like hey man this is cool at the time because i was the exact demographic they wanted to bilk and they paid the radio stations to do it

what i love about fuzzball who will be here shortly to defend both bands and their kickass tunes how can you not like this youtube imbedded video nobody will ever watch

anyway, what i love about fuzzball is that he buys into these bands that are literally extant because rival labels were searching for the bands that sound the closest to nine inch nails or nirvana or pearl jam or whatever that they can. but lorde or whatever is too much. yah okay dude STP grew organically not the other labels looking for a single that sounded like pearl jam

fuzzyroes
11-27-2014, 05:07 AM
it's so goddamn obvious that them and gravity kills were attempts by other labels, or maybe even the same one, to cash in on the popularity of NIN. and i was like hey man this is cool at the time because i was the exact demographic they wanted to bilk and they paid the radio stations to do it

But when record labels do this with Adelle rip-offs you're all for it:smoke:

fuzzyroes
11-27-2014, 05:13 AM
Look man, it's obvious that groups like STP and Bush were knock-offs to a certain extent, but they still released great songs. I mean obviously the record label was searching for a Nirvana vibe when they signed Bush, but when you compare those bands side by side they have quite different eccentricities. Rossdale had a great voice and their guitar work destroyed Nirvanas.

I agree that STP is kind of embarrassing in some rights. I mean Plush has to be the biggest PJ rip off ever. The only song I really dig off Core is Creep. Purple was the album I was all for.

slunken
11-27-2014, 02:52 PM
Rock and roll and originality and lols

Elphenor
11-27-2014, 03:00 PM
Gotta admit I kind of like STP idk

As much as I like Pearl Jam which isn't very much

fuzzyroes
11-27-2014, 07:03 PM
STP has their moments. I mean Creeps just a classic single, and it sounds nothing like Pearl Jam or Nirvana

Mals Marola
11-27-2014, 07:20 PM
bush sounded so much like nirvana when i first heard "come down," now i don't really know what i was hearing. they're pretty distinguishable once you've heard enough of each for a while

Trotskilicious
11-27-2014, 09:15 PM
But when record labels do this with Adelle rip-offs you're all for it:smoke:

what does this even mean

you think all pop stars are exactly the same so you just take the most famous one that you don't listen to and say the rest are rip offs

you want originality?

<img src="http://thirstyroots.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/kscope_Janelle-Monae-Photo-by-Jiro-Schneider.jpg">

but you want the same old shit

Trotskilicious
11-27-2014, 09:17 PM
robyn and adele have exactly nothing in common

Trotskilicious
11-27-2014, 09:17 PM
what is your problem with women in music dude

fuzzyroes
11-28-2014, 03:06 AM
I was talking about how you were gushing over Lorde. Clearly a cheap Adelle knock-off.

Catherine Wheel
11-28-2014, 07:34 AM
How is Lorde a Adelle knockoff? Lorde is blue eyed soul? What the fuck are you talking about?

Elphenor
11-28-2014, 03:29 PM
Lorde is absolutely nothing like Adelle

Shallowed
11-28-2014, 03:46 PM
blue eyed soul is one of the stupidest names for a genre ever. It shouldn't even be a genre. I refuse to acknowledge its existence as a genre.

Sonic Johnny
11-28-2014, 03:56 PM
Yeah seriously Fuzzy that comparison is one of the stupidest things i've ever heard.

Trotskilicious
11-28-2014, 05:57 PM
gushing and defending are two different things, i've only listened to "royals"

you've never given it any time because you are very stupid and proud to make snap judgements

fuzzyroes
11-29-2014, 02:03 AM
I've heard the song a million times. Plays daily at the supermarket I work at. I hate that Minimalist Pharell/Wlll-I-Am crap. Figure it would have run it's course by now

fuzzyroes
11-29-2014, 02:04 AM
How is Lorde a Adelle knockoff? Lorde is blue eyed soul? What the fuck are you talking about?

Their vocals and singing styles are nearly exactly the same

fuzzyroes
11-29-2014, 02:04 AM
Yeah seriously Fuzzy that comparison is one of the stupidest things i've ever heard.

That's like saying "What the fuck man? Scott Stapp sounds nothing like Eddie Vedder"

Sonic Johnny
11-29-2014, 02:11 AM
Seriously dude the only thing the two have in common is that they're female pop singers. You are actively endorsing trots accusations of mysoginy.

fuzzyroes
11-29-2014, 02:28 AM
I like tons of groups with Female vocalists: Slowdive, Hole, Joy Formidable, Pat Benatar, No Doubt, Cyndi Lauper, Scandal, Lee Aaron ETC

fuzzyroes
11-29-2014, 02:29 AM
Veruca Salt, The Rentals, Jimmy Eat World, l7, Juliana Hatfield, Breeders, Pixies ETC

fuzzyroes
11-29-2014, 02:30 AM
Nice try though

Shallowed
11-29-2014, 02:35 AM
This is an argument that is many orders of magnitude weaker than "I'm not racist because I have black friends"

fuzzyroes
11-29-2014, 02:58 AM
I think Lordes voice sounds like it's aping Adelles, sue me. Funny how you guys wanna turn that observation into me being some sorta misogynist

Elphenor
11-29-2014, 03:25 AM
Your musical tastes are what make us think that

Trotskilicious
11-29-2014, 03:29 AM
Minimalist Pharell/Wlll-I-Am crap. Figure it would have run it's course by now

what the fuck are you even talking about is there nobody around where you live to laugh at you in person

fuzzyroes
11-29-2014, 03:30 AM
My musical tastes are awesome. I bet if you just ran into me at a bar somewhere you'd be like man! you have great tastes! We both enjoy a lot of the cornerstone bands that "casual fans" aren't clued into

fuzzyroes
11-29-2014, 03:32 AM
what the fuck are you even talking about is there nobody around where you live to laugh at you in person

It's the kind of song where theres not a lot going on. It's produced in the same vain as hit songs like My humps, blurred lines ETC. gimmicky drum machine, sparse bass riffs ETC.

Elphenor
11-29-2014, 03:38 AM
Royals reminds me of How Soon is Now it being this club song with anti-club lyrics

I've been spinning pure heroine all this week

Elphenor
11-29-2014, 03:43 AM
The minimalism is great

fuzzyroes
11-29-2014, 03:43 AM
Royals is just a weak excuse for a pop-song... Sounds stale and subdued.

This track has nearly the exact same production qualities and absolutely wipes the floor with Royals

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fuzzyroes
11-29-2014, 03:48 AM
Yes trotsky, I shared a video. But it's important for making my point, as this song came out nearly 10 years ago. So it's likely Elphys never heard it.

fuzzyroes
11-29-2014, 03:48 AM
It just goes to show how stale that Lorde sound is. Fergie was doing it 10 years ago a lot more fresher and better.

Elphenor
11-29-2014, 03:49 AM
Yeah it was such a bad pop song that it only made a untraditional looking white girl from New Zealand number 1 on the charts for over a month

fuzzyroes
11-29-2014, 03:54 AM
lol yeah, cause the "charts" are a good way of judging the quality of a piece of music.

There Fergie was, doing nearly the same sound 10 years ago. The only small noticeable difference is that Lorde takes a more soulful approach. It's still nearly the same shit though.

Rehashed garbage

Elphenor
11-29-2014, 04:00 AM
They are in this case. Lorde absolutely is alternative and if it wasn't for Royals not something most people would be exposed to

fuzzyroes
11-29-2014, 04:11 AM
She's nothing different than your everyday popstar. Extremely good looking, decent enough voice, gimmicky song = big time chart success

Shallowed
11-29-2014, 04:14 AM
Fuzzy makes straight faced references to "casual fans" and uses a Fergie song as evidence to build a case against a song about the class system and the emptiness of materialism written by a 16 year old girl.

If he were a bot and not actually a phenomenal idiot, its shit like this that would be at the deepest point of the uncanny valley.

Elphenor
11-29-2014, 04:20 AM
It's even funnier that he thinks I've never heard Fergie

Elphenor
11-29-2014, 04:22 AM
Fuzzy has no political or social awarness whatsoever so of course he doesn't understand the signifigance of the lyrics here

fuzzyroes
11-29-2014, 04:24 AM
Oh gimme a break guys, now you're really fucking reaching on this topic. Sure Royals is catchy enough for what it is, but don't try and pull the wool over my eyes and act as if it's some socially-brilliant track.

fuzzyroes
11-29-2014, 04:26 AM
It's your everyday brain-dead "Anti-bling" kind of track. It's been done to death and isn't socially aware at all

fuzzyroes
11-29-2014, 04:28 AM
It's even funnier that he thinks I've never heard Fergie

well you would have been like 10 when that track dropped. A lot of 10 year olds don't keep up with music

Elphenor
11-29-2014, 04:30 AM
THIS IS A SMASHING PUMPKINS FORUM

fuzzyroes
11-29-2014, 04:32 AM
Fuzzy has no political or social awarness whatsoever so of course he doesn't understand the signifigance of the lyrics here

Yeah, Elphy, I'm sure you'd love a socially aware song like this as well? Exact same message as Lordes track

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fuzzyroes
11-29-2014, 04:34 AM
generic, old, stale "lets make fun of the of all the rich people cliches" song...

"Fuzzy doesn't get the SOCIAL AWARENESS"

Shallowed
11-29-2014, 04:34 AM
What the hell is social brilliance.

Explain that one to me, professor.

fuzzyroes
11-29-2014, 04:35 AM
A brilliant social narrative

fuzzyroes
11-29-2014, 04:36 AM
Lordes Royals is on the same tier as Good Charlotte Lifestyles of the rich and the famous, and you guys act as if it's fucking high-art or something.

Shallowed
11-29-2014, 04:38 AM
How does one measure social brilliance? Is the scale based on a constant like a Fergie song?

fuzzyroes
11-29-2014, 04:41 AM
It's merely just a metaphor. Nothing more, nothing less.

fuzzyroes
11-29-2014, 04:42 AM
I just don't get why you guys would make fun of groups like Bush, STP, Rage, Green Day, Weezer who all have some really great songs... Yet you're the first to jump aboard the Lorde bandwagon.

It's like I've entered some sort of bizarro world

Shallowed
11-29-2014, 04:42 AM
Lordes Royals is on the same tier as Good Charlotte Lifestyles of the rich and the famous, and you guys act as if it's fucking high-art or something.

Well you are a lot smarter than us, perhaps you could explain to us, in terms of Fergies and brilliance, what makes something high art?

fuzzyroes
11-29-2014, 04:44 AM
I think that a lot of SP fans just try to get into all the new, current, trendy music in attempt to feel current and "with the times" because they're in denial of being some sort of obsolete dinosaur... and because of that fear they'll go on and praise whomever is the "current" pop-star.

Shallowed
11-29-2014, 04:45 AM
Does a musical artist have to have some really great songs to be considered high-art?

Elphenor
11-29-2014, 04:45 AM
I just don't get why you guys would make fun of groups like Bush, STP, Rage, Green Day, Weezer who all some really great songs... Yet you're the first to jump aboard the Lorde bandwagon.

It's like I've entered some sort of bizarro world

This is what happens when you talk to people outside of your bro dadrock circle

fuzzyroes
11-29-2014, 04:46 AM
I mean, a guy like Trotsky has a phenomenal taste of music, yet I'd see him raving about Kanye West with total dough eyes... It just doesn't compute

fuzzyroes
11-29-2014, 04:47 AM
This is what happens when you talk to people outside of your bro dadrock circle

I never thought in a million years someone would classify my taste of muisc "bro-dadrock"... Maybe I am getting old :rofl:

Elphenor
11-29-2014, 04:47 AM
I think that a lot of SP fans just try to get into all the new, current, trendy music in attempt to feel current and "with the times" because they're in denial of being some sort of obsolete dinosaur... and because of that fear they'll go on and praise whomever is the "current" pop-star.

Ever think you're just an obsolete dinosaur and that's why you don't like Lorde?

fuzzyroes
11-29-2014, 04:49 AM
Yes Elphy, I'm sure THATS what it is.

You guys really gotta open your ears and start digging for some music outside of the top 40 charts

Shallowed
11-29-2014, 04:50 AM
I think that a lot of SP fans just try to get into all the new, current, trendy music in attempt to feel current and "with the times" because they're in denial of being some sort of obsolete dinosaur... and because of that fear they'll go on and praise whomever is the "current" pop-star.

What of the younger generations? Are they doomed to forever be unable to understand the high-art of music that was created in the eras before they started listening to music?

fuzzyroes
11-29-2014, 04:50 AM
I mean, fuck, we're in the age of the internet and you guys are wasting your time listening to Lorde? trying to rationalize her brilliance to me by quoting her chart ranking?

You guys are living in the pass

fuzzyroes
11-29-2014, 04:51 AM
What of the younger generations? Are they doomed to forever be unable to understand the high-art of music that was created in the eras before they started listening to music?

You're really reaching with your trolling now. I'm not even sure what it is you're trying to get across here

Elphenor
11-29-2014, 04:51 AM
All the bands you just listed were chart topping bands just in the 90's

hahahahah it's just too much

Elphenor
11-29-2014, 04:53 AM
Just because something has rock guitars doesn't make it high art you Rockist dinosaur

Shallowed
11-29-2014, 04:55 AM
You're really reaching with your trolling now. I'm not even sure what it is you're trying to get across here

Well, in your words,

this song came out nearly 10 years ago. So it's likely Elphys never heard it.

I really hope this doesn't mean that Elphenor will never be able to understand the social brilliance of the Fergie song you linked.

fuzzyroes
11-29-2014, 04:55 AM
yeah, in the 90's when charts may have mattered. You may not have realized this, so let me teach you some important wisdom: THE RECORD INDUSTRY IS DEAD.... IT DOESN'T MATTER ANYMORE. WE'RE LONG PAST THE DAYS WHERE THEY'D GO OUT AND ORGANICALLY SEARCH HIGH AND LOW FOR A BAND WITH GREAT TALLENTS.

You fucks are still engulfed in the same media means while it's no longer relevant. It's the day of the internet and you guys are still listening to the major label fluff dulled out to the masses? Of all the shit out there you guys are wasting your time listening to Lorde?

Fuck, it's gotta suck to be you guys

Shallowed
11-29-2014, 04:55 AM
I have so many hungry questions

fuzzyroes
11-29-2014, 04:56 AM
I really hope this doesn't mean that Elphenor will never be able to understand the social brilliance of the Fergie song you linked.

No... It just means that he was song young at the time that it was possible that he had just never heard it.

Shallowed
11-29-2014, 04:59 AM
WE'RE LONG PAST THE DAYS WHERE THEY'D GO OUT AND ORGANICALLY SEARCH HIGH AND LOW FOR A BAND WITH GREAT TALLENTS.

Oh god I know, It's just horrible that so many bands have to release music all by themselves with no-one to pour millions of dollars into moulding them into a trend.

fuzzyroes
11-29-2014, 04:59 AM
I have so many hungry questions

the point is, back in the day good music meant HUGE MONEY. So these record labels would go out and really find the best of the best and introduce it to the masses... And it worked.

Now adays theres no record industry so they just push out these made-for-the-masses pop stars in hopes of making a quick buck. Theres no album-to-album growth with any of these artists. It's all about making a cheap buck in the moment.

And that is why the music in the 90's is way better than the putrid shit that's pushed out there today.

Trotskilicious
11-29-2014, 04:59 AM
you're a manchild

fuzzyroes
11-29-2014, 05:00 AM
anyways, gonna meet up with a buddy and smoke some hash

Peace

Shallowed
11-29-2014, 05:00 AM
No... It just means that he was song young at the time that it was possible that he had just never heard it.

Oh gosh I'm just so confused I thought that if someone was only an infant at the time of a song being released to the public, that it was significant for some reason.

Elphenor
11-29-2014, 05:00 AM
I mean basically Lorde doesn't use loud guitars so he doesn't like it. Pretty simple

fuzzyroes
11-29-2014, 05:01 AM
you're a manchild

Get bent Trots. I remember you ranting and raving about Charlie XCX or whatever. I recently just heard some of her music for the first time and it's the most shallow, braindead shit ever.

Elphenor
11-29-2014, 05:03 AM
Idk, it's like I said to EB. It's cool if you don't like Pop music because you listen to much more challenging and intellectual stuff.

But when Fuzzy talks about high art, he isn't talking about VU or The Fall or Swans. He's talking about fucking Weezer

Shallowed
11-29-2014, 05:03 AM
the point is, back in the day good music meant HUGE MONEY. So these record labels would go out and really find the best of the best and introduce it to the masses... And it worked.

Now adays theres no record industry so they just push out these made-for-the-masses pop stars in hopes of making a quick buck. Theres no album-to-album growth with any of these artists. It's all about making a cheap buck in the moment.

And that is why the music in the 90's is way better than the putrid shit that's pushed out there today.

I completely understand now, this is what makes Bush and Stone Temple Pilots high-art, it was all for money! Nothing at all to do with bandwagon opportunism!

Shallowed
11-29-2014, 05:09 AM
while I wish you would have specifically addressed my many hungarian questions, I'm glad that your wisdom has shed so much light on the path to high-art, and with that light I was able to find the way there

Trotskilicious
11-29-2014, 05:14 AM
the hurdy gurdy sounds like swans in the middle ages there was a cool thread about it

Trotskilicious
11-29-2014, 05:15 AM
by the way fuzzy you are hilarious keep it up

Elphenor
11-29-2014, 05:16 AM
Guitar X Bro = Level of high art and awareness

Elphenor
11-29-2014, 05:17 AM
But guys he likes Sonic Youth

Elphenor
11-29-2014, 05:19 AM
Which one of you started a hurdy gurdy thread on /mu/

I refuse to believe this is a coincidence

fuzzyroes
11-29-2014, 06:09 AM
by the way fuzzy you are hilarious keep it up

Well atleast you're a considerate poster trotsky,, insulting- perhaps, but you're not the Elph/Shallwoed kind of guy who'll just try and rip someone apart for no reason, for that I solute you:smoke:

fuzzyroes
11-29-2014, 06:11 AM
But guys he likes Sonic Youth

Sonic Youth is awesome, I can't believe a young shit like you could appreciate these guys.

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/1lWwdpBeZd0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

BEST....VIDEO.......EVER

Shallowed
11-29-2014, 06:13 AM
What a miracle it is, that Elphenor is able to listen to and appreciate a song that was made before he was born. He must have a time machine or something.

fuzzyroes
11-29-2014, 06:17 AM
As much as I love Pavement, theres no doubt that they're kind of a SY rip-off

Elphenor
11-29-2014, 06:18 AM
You mean The Fall right?

Pavement seriously sounds nothing like SY

fuzzyroes
11-29-2014, 06:18 AM
What a miracle it is, that Elphenor is able to listen to and appreciate a song that was made before he was born. He must have a time machine or something.

Hey man, no offense, but do you have Downs Syndrome or some other learning disability? What kind of music fan ISN'T a fan of stuff that was released before he was born?

Guess it might be hard for you to reckon though.... Blink 182 inspired you at one point

fuzzyroes
11-29-2014, 06:19 AM
You mean The Fall right?

Pavement seriously sounds nothing like SY

Sonic Youth is/was a big part of Pavements sound... That's a fact.

Shallowed
11-29-2014, 06:21 AM
Well atleast you're a considerate poster trotsky,, insulting- perhaps, but you're not the Elph/Shallwoed kind of guy who'll just try and rip someone apart for no reason, for that I solute you:smoke:

I don't mean to rip you apart fuzzy, and if it seems like I am, it's not for no reason, it's because I'm just so hungry to know things about high art, and how to appreciate music from the 90's.

But what I'm really hungry to know is, in what way does Trots' insults make you want to repeatedly suck up to him?

Elphenor
11-29-2014, 06:21 AM
I really don't hear it like at all idk

But maybe Malkmus name checked them or something I don't know what you're going off of

Shallowed
11-29-2014, 06:23 AM
Hey man, no offense, but do you have Downs Syndrome or some other learning disability? What kind of music fan ISN'T a fan of stuff that was released before he was born?

Guess it might be hard for you to reckon though.... Blink 182 inspired you at one point

Well, it's just so hard to believe that someone so young like Elphenor can appreciate Sonic Youth. After all, they were before his time.

fuzzyroes
11-29-2014, 06:25 AM
I don't mean to rip you apart fuzzy, and if it seems like I am, it's not for no reason, it's because I'm just so hungry to know things about high art, and how to appreciate music from the 90's.

But what I'm really hungry to know is, in what way does Trots' insults make you want to repeatedly suck up to him?

I don't wanna suck up to him, the guys definitely sort of a douche-bag in his own right. But I was a lurker here long before I was contributor and I always got a lot of entertainment value and laughs from a lot of Trotsky's writings. His prescience back in the day was a lot stronger than it is now though.

The guy also likes a lot or great music that I'm into too. So if he's praising some pop-star or something I can't as easily write it off the way I can when an imbecile like Elph is rambling about something

Elphenor
11-29-2014, 06:25 AM
Well atleast you're a considerate poster trotsky,, insulting- perhaps, but you're not the Elph/Shallwoed kind of guy who'll just try and rip someone apart for no reason, for that I solute you:smoke:

idk if you've ever listened to this, but this is pretty much what's going on here. You're just very amusing to us

http://www.rickygervais.com/images/tsott_200710.jpg

fuzzyroes
11-29-2014, 06:28 AM
I really don't hear it like at all idk

But maybe Malkmus name checked them or something I don't know what you're going off of

Well... If you've actually listened to Sonic Youth's whole discography along with Pavements it would be pretty easy to recognize the similarities.

Pavement kind of took the Sonic Youth route while managing to align it with pop sensibilities... That's definitely a part of Pavements claim to fame.

Trotskilicious
11-29-2014, 07:49 AM
idk if you've ever listened to this, but this is pretty much what's going on here. You're just very amusing to us

http://www.rickygervais.com/images/tsott_200710.jpg

yeah pretty much

Trotskilicious
11-29-2014, 07:50 AM
it really is the only way to deal with it

fuzzyroes
11-29-2014, 08:19 AM
idk if you've ever listened to this, but this is pretty much what's going on here. You're just very amusing to us

http://www.rickygervais.com/images/tsott_200710.jpg

Is that that Karl guy who was in the reality show with the midget from Leprachan?

Sonic Johnny
11-29-2014, 02:48 PM
you're a manchild

.

Sonic Johnny
11-29-2014, 02:49 PM
you're a manchild

..

Sonic Johnny
11-29-2014, 10:39 PM
How do we make sure this thread gets archived? There's so much funny shit in here

Catherine Wheel
11-30-2014, 10:58 AM
Trots I gave Janelle Monae I try and I just can't get into her. She's like the exact opposite of Jhene Aiko who is like my favorite musical artist at the moment. They couldn't be more different.

Trotskilicious
11-30-2014, 05:58 PM
okay

I'm Hardcore
11-30-2014, 06:00 PM
Ever think you're just an obsolete dinosaur and that's why you don't like Lorde?

this is just stupid

Sonic Johnny
11-30-2014, 09:18 PM
i dunno if you've been keepin up on this thread IHC but it's pretty much just 100% pure mainlined stupid

I'm Hardcore
11-30-2014, 09:45 PM
yeah unfortunately i read the whole thing just now

I'm Hardcore
11-30-2014, 09:46 PM
Malkmus/Kannberg borrowed guitar tunings off SY, just saying

Elphenor
12-01-2014, 01:13 AM
Okay, I believe you

Trotskilicious
12-01-2014, 06:23 AM
okay go to allmusic like the rest of us did at your age so it doesn't sound like we're just making it up as we go along

I'm Hardcore
12-01-2014, 03:05 PM
well i mean in a way, Elphenor is right. SY and Pavement don't *SOUND* alike, but it's like the same way that SY and the Velvet Underground don't sound alike. or how like Times New Viking and the Fall don't sound alike.

I'm Hardcore
12-01-2014, 03:05 PM
we're ooooooooooooold, man

I'm Hardcore
12-01-2014, 03:07 PM
Sonic Youth were named after Fred "Sonic" Smith, did you know

Elphenor
12-01-2014, 04:01 PM
Well yeah there's a pretty clear connection music philosophy wise between bands like VU and SY and Pavement and the lineage is pretty easy to see but I was just talking strictly about the sound and I hear a lot more of the driving beats and speak sing delivery aspect of VU than the the distortion freak outs

I'm Hardcore
12-01-2014, 04:02 PM
a lot of SY is speak-sing delivery, man

Elphenor
12-01-2014, 04:10 PM
I have to say it though, everything about Pavement just screams THE FALL. From their fashion to Malkmus's lyrics and delivery to the walls of jangle guitars. Even the way they name their songs.
Though like all American 90's bands the guitars are a bit heavier.

A very general way of how I see 90's bands:

Nirvana = Gang of Four + heavy 70's guitars
SP = The Cure + heavy 70's guitars
Pavement = The Fall + heavy 70's guitars

Trotskilicious
12-01-2014, 04:13 PM
shut the fuck up

I'm Hardcore
12-01-2014, 04:13 PM
Nirvana = Gang of Four + heavy 70's guitars


'Bleach' pretty much sounds like The Wipers doing Black Sabbath

Trotskilicious
12-01-2014, 04:14 PM
i thought nirvana are more influenced by pixies & melvins as per the guy in the band

I'm Hardcore
12-01-2014, 04:17 PM
the wipers
the melvins
velvet underground
black sabbath
the axemen (NZ band who Kurt loved)

Elphenor
12-01-2014, 04:17 PM
I pull Gang of Four from Kurt self describing his starting group as a "Gang of Four and Scratch Acid rip-off" and it makes a ton of sense to me

I'm Hardcore
12-01-2014, 04:18 PM
http://www.audioculture.co.nz/content/images/9524/hero_thumb_kurt_cobain-axemen-t-shirt-v2.jpg

Elphenor
12-01-2014, 04:19 PM
Those pounding drums and that metallic noise feedback

Elphenor
12-01-2014, 04:20 PM
Nevermind doesn't really sound like it but Bleach and In Utero really do and they're the much better albums imo

Sonic Johnny
12-01-2014, 04:22 PM
oh man Wipers is the shiiiiiit

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I'm Hardcore
12-01-2014, 04:23 PM
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what a fucking great band

Elphenor
12-01-2014, 04:25 PM
Well I will be listening to both of these bands now

Elphenor
12-01-2014, 04:28 PM
I'm not going to be able to get that little Axemen riff out of my head

I'm Hardcore
12-01-2014, 04:34 PM
in terms of a band wearing their influences on their sleeves...


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I'm Hardcore
12-01-2014, 04:35 PM
we may be a backwards country down at the bottom of the earth, but our music is the best

I'm Hardcore
12-01-2014, 04:41 PM
i should start a new thread

Elphenor
12-01-2014, 06:05 PM
I'd be interested in your NZ recs

fuzzyroes
12-02-2014, 05:33 AM
well i mean in a way, Elphenor is right. SY and Pavement don't *SOUND* alike, but it's like the same way that SY and the Velvet Underground don't sound alike. or how like Times New Viking and the Fall don't sound alike.

I think they do sound alike in certain aspects. It's different kind of songwriting but as you mentioned some of the guitar work definitely harkens back to them and I actually think Malkmus sounds like Moore a little bit vocally. The SY influence is definitely evident in Pavement.

fuzzyroes
12-02-2014, 05:40 AM
I'm not going to be able to get that little Axemen riff out of my head

that is one hell of a little lick. I love super melodic guitar lines

Trotskilicious
12-02-2014, 05:45 AM
i didn't realize how much kurt liked to namecheck, i can't even keep up

Elphenor
12-02-2014, 04:11 PM
Kurt was straight patrish

Sonic Johnny
12-02-2014, 06:16 PM
I had to google that word. You kids have weird slang.