View Full Version : I think Beck is way more genius than he really gets credit for


Elphenor
11-11-2014, 04:32 AM
He's like the Captain Beefheart of the 90's

Anyone agree with me?

Elijah Moon
11-11-2014, 04:35 AM
'Midnite Vultures' is my personal favourite

fuzzyroes
11-11-2014, 04:35 AM
Beck sucks. Guys a tard, he believes in scientology

fuzzyroes
11-11-2014, 04:35 AM
Mellow Gold was dope though. Odelay has a few cool tracks too, but after that the guy pretty much flamed out.

fuzzyroes
11-11-2014, 04:37 AM
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Elphenor
11-11-2014, 04:38 AM
The only part I agree with from those posts is that Mellow Gold is indeed "dope"

Elphenor
11-11-2014, 04:40 AM
I know it's lame because it's his only real popular single but fuck if "Loser" isn't the coolest thing I've ever heard played consistently on the radio

fuzzyroes
11-11-2014, 04:41 AM
Where it's At is flat out dope too.

fuzzyroes
11-11-2014, 04:42 AM
Went out and got the album shortly after hearing/seeing the music video for the first time.

fuzzyroes
11-11-2014, 04:42 AM
Where it's at is probably pretty close to being as big as Loser...

Elphenor
11-11-2014, 04:58 AM
"Got a Devil's haircut in my mind"

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fuzzyroes
11-11-2014, 05:10 AM
haha, i never dug that song.

New Pollution was a cool single though

Mals Marola
11-11-2014, 06:09 AM
no he definitely gets enough credit

Elphenor
11-11-2014, 02:17 PM
Idk I just don't feel like he gets brought up enough and I think he's one of the best things to come out of the 90's

dreams of glass
11-11-2014, 02:34 PM
Beck's got a bunch of albums I never bothered to listen to. But yeah, I like Mellow Gold and Odelay a lot.

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Mals Marola
11-11-2014, 02:38 PM
Idk I just don't feel like he gets brought up enough and I think he's one of the best things to come out of the 90's

from my experience he's probably one of the most brought up artists of the past coupla decades prob, almost on a radiohead, bjork, and sonic youth level or something like that

Shallowed
11-11-2014, 02:54 PM
This interview is like a staring contest

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Rider
11-11-2014, 03:34 PM
This interview is like a staring contest

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Kinda like that scene in The Master.

I actually, watched this interview and at the time was on the fence about Beck, this interview pushed me into the this guy is an annoying idiot camp and I've never really changed my mind about him.

Rider
11-11-2014, 03:36 PM
Oh and Beck is no where near being either a genius or the talent that Captain Beefhart was.

Mals Marola
11-11-2014, 03:43 PM
wow, sweet posts

couldn't you have just thought it was funny

slunken
11-11-2014, 03:58 PM
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Trotskilicious
11-11-2014, 04:20 PM
He gets tons of cred wtf are you talking about

Trotskilicious
11-11-2014, 04:22 PM
wow, sweet posts

couldn't you have just thought it was funny

Meet rider, never has anything positive to contribute

Trotskilicious
11-11-2014, 04:22 PM
Beck is also great on futurama

Sonic Johnny
11-11-2014, 05:49 PM
Elph nobody is going to take anything you say seriously when you keep proving your ignorance like this. Beck has had critics on his nuts pretty much non-stop for like 15 years. Your thread title could almost have read "Radiohead are one of the most underrated bands of all time".

Like seriously maybe than rather just espousing the first thought that comes into your head like it's some grand wisdom that you're dropping on everyone just do some homework before you type things hey?

Poots
11-11-2014, 06:09 PM
I always liked Sea Change. a lot of people thought he had fucked up with that album, but I thought it was great.

Also, I think Elphenor wants Beck to be less well known and more underground so he has permission from himself to like them.

Elphenor
11-11-2014, 07:08 PM
Elph nobody is going to take anything you say seriously when you keep proving your ignorance like this. Beck has had critics on his nuts pretty much non-stop for like 15 years. Your thread title could almost have read "Radiohead are one of the most underrated bands of all time".

Like seriously maybe than rather just espousing the first thought that comes into your head like it's some grand wisdom that you're dropping on everyone just do some homework before you type things hey?

I meant recognition from the average listeners. I'm aware critics dig him.
I don't normally hear him brought up while Radiohead is obligatory in any Alt Rock conversation

Please stop assuming I'm trying to enlighten people who have been listening to music before I was even born.

Pretty much I just express my opinions and am interested in hearing what you guys think

Sonic Johnny
11-11-2014, 07:12 PM
I'll stop assuming that you're trying to enlighten people when you stop posting entirely in sweeping declarative statements.

And Beck really was a darling of music fans the world over, just he hasn't put much music out since like 2005 so you don't hear him mentioned so much anymore. He used to be a pretty regular festival headliner like 10 years ago.

butthurt
11-11-2014, 07:38 PM
http://www.cnbc.cmu.edu/~dst/Xenu/annarbor1.jpg

http://www.unique-design.net/library/image/meme/scientology.jpg

Trotskilicious
11-11-2014, 07:52 PM
yeah that's the thing you have to ignore about beck

Trotskilicious
11-11-2014, 07:52 PM
And Beck really was a darling of music fans the world over, just he hasn't put much music out since like 2005 so you don't hear him mentioned so much anymore. He used to be a pretty regular festival headliner like 10 years ago.

elph was 9 or 10 in 2005

Order 66
11-11-2014, 07:56 PM
I can understand why somebody younger would think he's underappreciated.. with the exception of the last album he hasn't really been on the radar for a decade and his discog ranges from dumb party music to very morose and profound stuff. so his "legacy" is a lot more over the place than something unanimously acclaimed like pink floyd or whatever

but yeah he's definitely had his due

Trotskilicious
11-11-2014, 07:57 PM
i thought the information was real good. i haven't listened to beck lately. i thought sea change was mostly suck

Trotskilicious
11-11-2014, 07:59 PM
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Order 66
11-11-2014, 08:03 PM
before Information his albums were clearly demarcated between dumb party music and i guess what i'd call "real" music. and then Information kind of muddled that, for better or worse. I'm a big fan of the Mellow Gold/Mutations/Sea Change "trilogy" but after that it got kind of spotty for me. I guess my favorite "dumb" album would be Guero. Maybe i'd like Odelay more if it wasn't played ad nauseum in the 90s

slunken
11-11-2014, 08:07 PM
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Elphenor
11-11-2014, 08:22 PM
I don't understand why it matters at all.

I don't expect sanity from my artists

Edit: I mean Beck being all into Scientology

Elphenor
11-11-2014, 08:27 PM
I remember when I got Billy's poetry book when it came out and was all pissed that he gave all credit to God on the opening page

Trotskilicious
11-11-2014, 08:32 PM
because read stuff guy jesus it's not hard

anyway Beck i liked a lot mutations was a good one i liked guero quite a bit now i remember i liked the information i don't really consider him making dumb party music i think it's smart party music since it's very unique and he has a breadth of style that few can match

actually surprised at my last.fm i listened to A LOT of beck havne't so much lately but he may get put back in the rotation i can add his good tracks to my favorite songs list on spottedfy

null123
11-11-2014, 08:49 PM
I think there is more to Beck than the average listener is aware of so I'll grant that
His more limited release early albums are really good and as many people say his b-sides are better than his a-sides and he does interesting side projects. But yeah he's pretty much set as far as how the culture has evaluated him, he's won at every level

Elphenor
11-11-2014, 09:10 PM
Well that's good to hear

fuzzyroes
11-12-2014, 05:26 AM
yeah that's the thing you have to ignore about beck

You were explaining the other day how when an artist is a total fool that it makes the music hard for you to appreciate. Beck worshiping scientology isn't stupid enough for you?

Trotskilicious
11-12-2014, 06:03 AM
yeah scientologists are preferable to fred durst if that's what you're getting at

Elphenor
11-12-2014, 06:14 AM
If Beck's lyrics weren't jumbled Stoner nonesense anyway it might bother me

Trotskilicious
11-12-2014, 06:21 AM
well i still think he says that to troll people, because his music and stuff don't lend me to believe he's totally tarded but at the end of the day the xenu creation story isn't any sillier than any other creation story

besides if i was a dawkins turd like scotty then i'd automatically assume anyone with religion is retarded but im not so i don't

Trotskilicious
11-12-2014, 06:22 AM
if beck came out with Audionetics, a companion to Dianetics and sang about Scientology then i'd disconnect

fuzzyroes
11-12-2014, 06:24 AM
yeah scientologists are preferable to fred durst if that's what you're getting at

Nah, I think you were talking about Anthony Keidis being a huge dumbass and how it affects your opinion of the Chili's.

Trotskilicious
11-12-2014, 06:27 AM
have you noticed that his lyrics are what a human penis would write if a human penis could write lyrics

fuzzyroes
11-12-2014, 06:30 AM
Some of his stuff isn't that bad. For me it's more about the melody and the tone of his vocals.

Most of Becks lyrics are just flat out retarded too for what it's worth

Elphenor
11-12-2014, 07:01 AM
They're stream of consciousness nonsense with a vague connection and feeling. It's a method a lot of pretty famous poets have used.

Although some of Beck's songs are pretty literal.

Stephen Malkmus uses pretty much the same style and you don't call him retarded.

Elphenor
11-12-2014, 07:04 AM
But basically he's not in your face stupid about Scientology so it doesn't bother me at all

Anthony Kiedis is right in your face with his bro stupidity

fuzzyroes
11-12-2014, 07:08 AM
T

Stephen Malkmus uses pretty much the same style and you don't call him retarded.

I'd have to disagree on that one

fuzzyroes
11-12-2014, 07:10 AM
Beck even admitted that the lyrics on the first 2 albums were just nonsense

fuzzyroes
11-12-2014, 07:12 AM
But basically he's not in your face stupid about Scientology so it doesn't bother me at all

Anthony Kiedis is right in your face with his bro stupidity

Yeah, but from an intelligence point of view, Keidis has grown up a lot. His views on life and spirituality are all pretty succinct now, yet heres fucking Beck honestly believing that some Aliens came down to the planet are messing with our brains.:rofl:

Elphenor
11-12-2014, 07:12 AM
That's something every musician says when critics ask them about their lyrics.

I'm pretty sure every one of Beck's songs has a meaning. Some of them are really obvious and literal

fuzzyroes
11-12-2014, 07:13 AM
People hate on Billy for the Chemtrail talk and just gloss over Beck for what he actually WORSHIPS ... Pretty stupid if you ask me.

fuzzyroes
11-12-2014, 07:16 AM
That's something every musician says when critics ask them about their lyrics.

I'm pretty sure every one of Beck's songs has a meaning. Some of them are really obvious and literal

-"Getting crazy with the Cheeze Whiz!"

-"Bottles and cans so just clap your hands, just clap your hands!"

-"Fluffy clouds
Jumping rainbows
Fluffy clouds
I'm sad
Jumping rainbows
A soft and snuggly place
[Repeat]
Fluffy clouds
I'm sad and unhappy"

Pretty much on par with the worst of Keidis

Elphenor
11-12-2014, 07:17 AM
Oh wow, some really smart people believe dumb things, so shocking.

This is something you care about when you're 14, and then you realize that what people worship doesn't really mean anything

Elphenor
11-12-2014, 07:18 AM
This is funny to me because the song you posted on page one has totally literal lyrics

Elphenor
11-12-2014, 07:20 AM
"I got a job making money for the man
throwing chicken in the bucket with the soda pop can"

fuzzyroes
11-12-2014, 07:38 AM
Yeah, it's a good song, that's why I posted it lol. I like early Beck and I like the Chili's.

It's just a lot of the rationale behind hating Keidis can be easily applied to Beck.

fuzzyroes
11-12-2014, 07:40 AM
Oh wow, some really smart people believe dumb things, so shocking.

This is something you care about when you're 14, and then you realize that what people worship doesn't really mean anything

I dunno man. I find it easier to accept Anthony Kiedis' horndog ways over the sheer stupidity of Beck. Keidis is who he is, but Beck actually believes in all of this nonsense that is retarded to even the stupidest of minds.

Elphenor
11-12-2014, 07:45 AM
You could easily compile a list of geniuses who had weird superstitious beliefs. People often believe dumb things for seemingly no reason. This is not an indicator of their intelligence really, it's just something humans do.

fuzzyroes
11-12-2014, 07:47 AM
It's like Trotsky illustrated several days ago, When an artist is a complete knucklehead it sometimes gets a difficult to separate that from the art. And I agree. It's why I haven't really bothered to check out much of Becks newer stuff. That and because the few songs I've heard off of his current albums bore me to tears.

fuzzyroes
11-12-2014, 07:49 AM
You could easily compile a list of geniuses who had weird superstitious beliefs. People often believe dumb things for seemingly no reason. This is not an indicator of their intelligence really, it's just something humans do.

Sorry man, but if you believe Scientology to be true and devote your life to it then it really is an indicator of their intelligence.

I mean, the religion was based off of a fiction book for fucks sakes. How stupid can you be to devote your life to that shit?... As stupid as Beck I guess.

I gotta draw a line in the sand somewhere. Fred Durst comes off as much more intelligent

Elphenor
11-12-2014, 07:50 AM
It's about as dumb as Christianity give or take.

Do you know how many really, really, smart people are Christians?

Cool As Ice Cream
11-12-2014, 07:54 AM
you can't fall much lower if even people as stupid as fuzzy think you're stupid.

fuzzyroes
11-12-2014, 07:55 AM
It's incredibly much, much more stupid than Christianity.

Atleast the basis of Christianity is that it actually happened.

Scientology was taken from a book that was released TO BE pure fiction.

fuzzyroes
11-12-2014, 07:56 AM
Also, people have been conditioned over hundreds and hundreds of years to believe in Christianity... What the fucks Becks excuse for believing that steaming pile of dung?

Mals Marola
11-12-2014, 08:00 AM
good lord you people put a lot of fucking emphasis on lyrics

take a xanax and enjoy something for christ's sake

Elphenor
11-12-2014, 08:00 AM
Christianity doesn't sound as ridiculous because it's more common but it's pretty fucking bonkers

Cool As Ice Cream
11-12-2014, 08:01 AM
Also, people have been conditioned over hundreds and hundreds of years to believe in Christianity... What the fucks Becks excuse for believing that steaming pile of dung?
he was conditioned for a couple of decades? surely that's enough for one person.

if you're going to use that as a good excuse for christianity...

Elphenor
11-12-2014, 08:02 AM
good lord you people put a lot of fucking emphasis on lyrics

take a xanax and enjoy something for christ's sake

They're about as important as the music but in different ways imo

fuzzyroes
11-12-2014, 08:14 AM
he was conditioned for a couple of decades? surely that's enough for one person.

if you're going to use that as a good excuse for christianity...

I doubt he was conditioned by his family when he was a child though. When you're an adult you should have more resistance to those kind of cult like tactics

fuzzyroes
11-12-2014, 08:17 AM
Christianity doesn't sound as ridiculous because it's more common but it's pretty fucking bonkers

Yeah, it's incredibly stupid... But a lot of the ideologies and concepts are valuable to understand.

It's just that the basis of Christianity and most major religions are indoctrinated into children for as long as they've been alive... I strongly doubt this was the case with Beck. That's a major factor to consider.

null123
11-12-2014, 08:50 AM
Your retarded, happy now?

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fuzzyroes
11-12-2014, 09:13 AM
You're retarded, happy now?

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Fixed that for ya and underlined it so you'll know for next time....:noway:

Cool As Ice Cream
11-12-2014, 09:34 AM
Fixed that for ya and underlined it so you'll know for next time....:noway:

dude, don't you fucking "so you'll know for next time".
you use "your" all the time when it should be "you're".

Cool As Ice Cream
11-12-2014, 09:35 AM
and then even with the shaking head.
how dare you?
shame on you.

Mooney
11-12-2014, 10:06 AM
He's like the Captain Beefheart of the 90's

Anyone agree with me?

totally! jamiroquai was also pretty much the frank zappa of the 90's.

Anyone agree with me?

Mals Marola
11-12-2014, 10:57 AM
I AGREE WITH YOU

FEEL THE VALIDATION

Mals Marola
11-12-2014, 11:39 AM
(coursing through yer veins)

Mals Marola
11-12-2014, 11:40 AM
i guess that just leaves the obvious comparison of britney spears and diamanda galoss

the 90s really had us covered

Shallowed
11-12-2014, 04:08 PM
dude, don't you fucking "so you'll know for next time".
you use "your" all the time when it should be "you're".

He should also "know for next time" to shut the fuck up but he keeps posting.

The boy ain't right in the head

Poots
11-12-2014, 07:15 PM
I think Beck was raised as a Scientologist, so cut him some slack. If he and Tom Cruise want to party with Xenu then fine by me. BTW, if you are famous, I hear you get all the perks in Scientology. Like they don't let Cruise see all the dodgey shit that goes on behind the curtain, where they are taking poeple's money and seperating them from their families. Devil's Haircut indeed.

Sonic Johnny
11-12-2014, 07:29 PM
ITT: fuzzy hits new lows

soniclovenoize
11-12-2014, 07:36 PM
He was born into Scientology and is very private/non-preachy about it. Literally none of his songs are about Scientology. All his songs are about food, drugs, vomit, lampshades, getting it on with your sister and then how sad he is that his wife cheated on him. Not Scientology. Who the fuck cares what he believes?

Elphenor
11-12-2014, 07:38 PM
He's just butthurt about RHCP

Dogfighter28
11-12-2014, 07:45 PM
good god, is this what i was like in 2007?

butthurt
11-12-2014, 10:42 PM
https://38.media.tumblr.com/b8ecd63298905526a1486e47e389cc46/tumblr_mkvkl8vBPV1qgcra2o1_r1_500.gif

Trotskilicious
11-12-2014, 10:46 PM
good god, is this what i was like in 2007?

i dunno but like elph you also stunted like you hated zep

Trotskilicious
11-12-2014, 10:50 PM
also i didn't know beck was born and raised scientologist. i forget those exist even though i had a friend of mine in HS that was he was VERY sensitive about it, like they know it's kind of dumb but it's useful to them. like mormons really.

fuzzyroes
11-13-2014, 02:26 AM
He should also "know for next time" to shut the fuck up but he keeps posting.

The boy ain't right in the head

Step off ya dumb kid

fuzzyroes
11-13-2014, 02:32 AM
He was born into Scientology and is very private/non-preachy about it. Literally none of his songs are about Scientology. All his songs are about food, drugs, vomit, lampshades, getting it on with your sister and then how sad he is that his wife cheated on him. Not Scientology. Who the fuck cares what he believes?

Alright, THAT I didn't know. That makes a lot more sense to me. I had figured he just being another trendy asshole celebrity like John Travolta or whomever because I never heard a peep about the Scientology stuff until later on in his career.

It's still incredibly stupid and doesn't change my opinion beck being entirely overrated.

vixnix
11-13-2014, 03:56 AM
Beck had me at:

'Give the finger
To the rock n roll singer
As he's dancing upon youuurrrr paycheck
The sales climb high through the garbage pail sky
Like a giant... Dildo, crushinggg the sunnnn'

I was like damn. That burns.

fuzzyroes
11-13-2014, 05:36 AM
lol, just complete garbage eh?

I like Beck enough for what he is, but the double standards that people have on Netphoria can be a little much.

People are always making fun of Bush lyrics, but honestly, as weak as some may be, theres none remotely close to being that terrible.

Cool As Ice Cream
11-13-2014, 05:56 AM
It's just that the basis of Christianity and most major religions are indoctrinated into children for as long as they've been alive... I strongly doubt this was the case with Beck. That's a major factor to consider.

considered wrong.
well done.

Mals Marola
11-13-2014, 07:12 AM
lol, just complete garbage eh?

I like Beck enough for what he is, but the double standards that people have on Netphoria can be a little much.

People are always making fun of Bush lyrics, but honestly, as weak as some may be, theres none remotely close to being that terrible.

are you kidding, those lyrics are hilarious

reprise85
11-13-2014, 09:14 AM
they are great.

soniclovenoize
11-13-2014, 11:10 AM
Alright, THAT I didn't know. That makes a lot more sense to me. I had figured he just being another trendy asshole celebrity like John Travolta or whomever because I never heard a peep about the Scientology stuff until later on in his career.

It's still incredibly stupid and doesn't change my opinion beck being entirely overrated.

Well maybe you're judging him on his singles. Try these at least

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If you still don't dig that, then whatever.

Elphenor
11-13-2014, 03:14 PM
Cyanide Breath Mint is one of his best songs for sure

Elphenor
11-13-2014, 03:24 PM
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Elphenor
11-13-2014, 03:24 PM
I met you at JC Penny
I read your name tag it said Jenny

haha

Trotskilicious
11-13-2014, 06:08 PM
paper tiger rules

Trotskilicious
11-13-2014, 06:10 PM
bush lyrics don't make sense even if you hold them up to scrutiny. people can do this fuzzy, even if you couldn't even imagine how to understand complex poetry

null123
11-13-2014, 06:37 PM
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Elphenor
11-13-2014, 06:41 PM
Beck is like king of middle class white stoners

Elphenor
11-13-2014, 06:46 PM
This is my shit

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Trotskilicious
11-13-2014, 06:56 PM
i sing that one a lot to my self i thing guero is underrated

null123
11-13-2014, 07:00 PM
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fuzzyroes
11-13-2014, 07:01 PM
Well maybe you're judging him on his singles. Try these at least

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If you still don't dig that, then whatever.

They're alright. I'm not wowed by it or anything though. Don't get me wrong, I like Beck enough... I just find it funny that people wanna bag on other good artists due to their stupid lyrics yet they're still all about Beck.

fuzzyroes
11-13-2014, 07:03 PM
bush lyrics don't make sense even if you hold them up to scrutiny. people can do this fuzzy, even if you couldn't even imagine how to understand complex poetry

Bush has stream of consciousness lyrics in the same form that Beck does. If anything I think Rossdales writing style is even more cohesive.

Elphenor
11-13-2014, 07:05 PM
It's making me laugh how you can't see why Beck is the type of artist smart people are inclined to enjoy as opposed to Bush and RHCP

fuzzyroes
11-13-2014, 07:06 PM
But really, for me, lyrics can take a back seat if they sound really cool and fit the music... As long as they're not hateful and totally ridiculous. Bush's lyrics don't really inspire me much, but they sound really cool and create a mood with the music and the vagueness of the lyrics can let you just attach any message you want to the music.

Elphenor
11-13-2014, 07:06 PM
I'm struggling thinking of how to explain Beck to you, but it's clear you don't get the overall point

null123
11-13-2014, 07:06 PM
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fuzzyroes
11-13-2014, 07:08 PM
It's making me laugh how you can't see why Beck is the type of artist smart people are inclined to enjoy as opposed to Bush and RHCP

Theres nothing remotely intelligent about any of Becks lyrics though. They're certainly as stupid as Bush and RCHP. Despite the Chili's having some embarrassingly bad lyrical content, I'd even go as far to say that most of their lyrics are even MORE intelligent than Becks.

Elphenor
11-13-2014, 07:08 PM
Again totally missing it

fuzzyroes
11-13-2014, 07:10 PM
I'm struggling thinking of how to explain Beck to you, but it's clear you don't get the overall point

I don't need you to explain Beck to me at all. I grew up on his music, I was listening to him when you were a little infant, I understand his schtick.

null123
11-13-2014, 07:14 PM
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Mals Marola
11-13-2014, 07:17 PM
a need for "intelligent lyrics" and "cohesiveness" and shit like that just seems like an insecurity on the listener's part about their own (lack of) said things

soniclovenoize
11-13-2014, 07:20 PM
They're alright. I'm not wowed by it or anything though. Don't get me wrong, I like Beck enough... I just find it funny that people wanna bag on other good artists due to their stupid lyrics yet they're still all about Beck.

Well it's about context and intent, and maybe you need to know more about Beck in the first place to understand this.

His mother was a dancer at Andy Warhol's Factory; his grandfather was one of the founders of the Fluxis art movement. Beck himself began in the anti-folk movement, often performing a leaf blower on-stage in a Darth Vader mask (see his first album Golden Feelings for a taste of what early Beck was like).

So when Beck has the off-the-wall lyrics, he is referencing absurdism, juxtaposing it with traditional folk music which would inherently not be absurdist. If you are just taking the lyrics literally and at face value, you are just simply not listening correctly.

I don't care if you don't like it, that's fine. But at least have a good reason for not liking it other than "Oh what a dumb Scientologist" or "His lyrics are random and don't mean anything lol".

fuzzyroes
11-13-2014, 07:21 PM
It's funny that everyone here despises Bloodhound Gang, while an artist like Beck is making a very similar type of music.

null123
11-13-2014, 07:22 PM
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Elphenor
11-13-2014, 07:23 PM
Well it's about context and intent, and maybe you need to know more about Beck in the first place to understand this.

His mother was a dancer at Andy Warhol's Factory; his grandfather was one of the founders of the Fluxis art movement. Beck himself began in the anti-folk movement, often performing a leaf blower on-stage in a Darth Vader mask (see his first album Golden Feelings for a taste of what early Beck was like).

So when Beck has the off-the-wall lyrics, he is referencing absurdism, juxtaposing it with traditional folk music which would inherently not be absurdist. If you are just taking the lyrics literally and at face value, you are just simply not listening correctly.

I don't care if you don't like it, that's fine. But at least have a good reason for not liking it other than "Oh what a dumb Scientologist" or "His lyrics are random and don't mean anything lol".

This

soniclovenoize
11-13-2014, 07:23 PM
Show me a Bloodhound Gang album that sounds like Sea Change. I fucking dare you.

fuzzyroes
11-13-2014, 07:26 PM
Well it's about context and intent, and maybe you need to know more about Beck in the first place to understand this.

His mother was a dancer at Andy Warhol's Factory; his grandfather was one of the founders of the Fluxis art movement. Beck himself began in the anti-folk movement, often performing a leaf blower on-stage in a Darth Vader mask (see his first album Golden Feelings for a taste of what early Beck was like).

So when Beck has the off-the-wall lyrics, he is referencing absurdism, juxtaposing it with traditional folk music which would inherently not be absurdist. If you are just taking the lyrics literally and at face value, you are just simply not listening correctly.

I don't care if you don't like it, that's fine. But at least have a good reason for not liking it other than "Oh what a dumb Scientologist" or "His lyrics are random and don't mean anything lol".


I realize this, and I am actually a casual fan of Beck... It's just that he's stereotypically the kind of artist Nepthoria despises.

null123
11-13-2014, 07:26 PM
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The exploding boy
11-13-2014, 07:27 PM
I never could get to like beck. Though it's nothing to do with his views or lyrics (which I actually don't even really know what they're like), the music never interested me.

soniclovenoize
11-13-2014, 07:28 PM
Charmbag pulling out the b-sides and rarities!

Requesting Sucker Without a Brain, Steve Threw Up, Satan Gave Me A Taco, Mexico...

fuzzyroes
11-13-2014, 07:28 PM
Show me a Bloodhound Gang album that sounds like Sea Change. I fucking dare you.

I can't even remember anything off of that one. I've only listened to the first 3 albums consistently. I've checked out all of the stuff off of the albums that came after but I'd end up deleting them shortly after... Just didn't do anything for me.

soniclovenoize
11-13-2014, 07:30 PM
Well it's never going to do anything for you if you aren't listening correctly.

Elphenor
11-13-2014, 07:31 PM
Too smart for Fuzzball

I just have to say it

fuzzyroes
11-13-2014, 07:31 PM
I never could get to like beck. Though it's nothing to do with his views or lyrics (which I actually don't even really know what they're like), the music never interested me.

I'm in the same boat. I like his earlier stuff, but don't understand the fuss about the stuff that came after.

fuzzyroes
11-13-2014, 07:33 PM
Too smart for Fuzzball

I just have to say it

Well from everything I can gather, you seem like kind of a simple minded young man. If it's "too smart" how come you're able to enjoy it so much?

Elphenor
11-13-2014, 07:33 PM
The early stuff is just 90's enough for you basically

fuzzyroes
11-13-2014, 07:34 PM
Well it's never going to do anything for you if you aren't listening correctly.

No doubt. To each their own:smoke:

null123
11-13-2014, 07:34 PM
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reprise85
11-13-2014, 07:34 PM
Theres nothing remotely intelligent about any of Becks lyrics though. They're certainly as stupid as Bush and RCHP. Despite the Chili's having some embarrassingly bad lyrical content, I'd even go as far to say that most of their lyrics are even MORE intelligent than Becks.

lol no they aren't. they aren't even close.

null123
11-13-2014, 07:36 PM
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fuzzyroes
11-13-2014, 07:36 PM
I could go on all day posting just absurd, retarded Beck lyrics, but I gotta head out in a few and it likely wouldn't change your mind as theres already been several terrible Beck lyrics posted here.

reprise85
11-13-2014, 07:37 PM
It's funny that everyone here despises Bloodhound Gang, while an artist like Beck is making a very similar type of music.

what the fuck are you talking about. is there another artist named beck? because bhg and beck do not make music that even resembles each other, except maybe early beck in a very passing sort of way.

null123
11-13-2014, 07:38 PM
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Elphenor
11-13-2014, 07:38 PM
I love that song!

reprise85
11-13-2014, 07:38 PM
I could go on all day posting just absurd, retarded Beck lyrics, but I gotta head out in a few and it likely wouldn't change your mind as theres already been several terrible Beck lyrics posted here.

when 20 people tell you you are wrong, do you even stop to think that maybe you are missing something?

Elphenor
11-13-2014, 07:40 PM
Sonic typed that big post explaing this

Absurdism does not equal stupidity

fuzzyroes
11-13-2014, 07:40 PM
what the fuck are you talking about. is there another artist named beck? because bhg and beck do not make music that even resembles each other, except maybe early beck in a very passing sort of way.

It's stoner, white guy, alternative rock-rap. A lot of critics have mentioned the similarities of the Bloodhound Gang to beck.

null123
11-13-2014, 07:40 PM
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Mals Marola
11-13-2014, 07:41 PM
I love that song!

fuzzyroes
11-13-2014, 07:41 PM
when 20 people tell you you are wrong, do you even stop to think that maybe you are missing something?

It's all about ones opinion. I like silly, stupid lyrics as much as the next guy, but to try and pass Becks lyrical content off as something intelligent is hilarious to me.

Elphenor
11-13-2014, 07:42 PM
I can't believe he's still butthurt about BHG

Mals Marola
11-13-2014, 07:42 PM
I never could get to like beck. Though it's nothing to do with his views or lyrics (which I actually don't even really know what they're like), the music never interested me.

that's pretty ridiculous considering the range of genres/sounds/approaches he's covered

do you even like music

what the fuck are you talking about. is there another artist named beck? because bhg and beck do not make music that even resembles each other, except maybe early beck in a very passing sort of way.

http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100730175504/beck-mcs/images/d/d6/Ap20070418024759878rs5.jpg

null123
11-13-2014, 07:44 PM
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fuzzyroes
11-13-2014, 07:44 PM
Listen guys, I love Odelay and Mellow Gold as much as the next guy so I'm not really "down" on beck. I just find it absurd that people wanna make this guy out to be some sort of artist for "smart people".

fuzzyroes
11-13-2014, 07:45 PM
anyhow, I'm out.

And remember, It's just music for fucks sakes... So some of us don't enjoy modern Beck... It's kind of boring to me and others. Nothing to get so up and arms over.

Elphenor
11-13-2014, 07:46 PM
"It's just music"

Classic roes

null123
11-13-2014, 07:47 PM
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Elphenor
11-13-2014, 07:47 PM
Some people have Jesus, I have Mark E Smith

Mals Marola
11-13-2014, 07:48 PM
barf

null123
11-13-2014, 07:48 PM
Lol

Mals Marola
11-13-2014, 07:50 PM
in any case, i'm glad guero's been touched on in the way it has been in here

terms like underappreciated and whatnot being used

Rental Car being brought up

what a tear that has been brought to my eye didn't even have to lift a finger

we sure were jammin this in 09 on our way over to see him in ACL

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entire song became a catchphrase that weekend practically

Mals Marola
11-13-2014, 07:50 PM
aw yeah i like that shit!

Elphenor
11-13-2014, 07:50 PM
Some people have Jesus, I have Mark E Smith

Actually Ian Curtis works better in this metaphor

He died to bring us the gift of Post-Punk. The only thing on the planet that isn't lame

Mals Marola
11-13-2014, 07:53 PM
he died to kill himself because he was miserable

choosing a past or present artist to stand for yer jesus or whatever is never gonna work don't know why you'd wanna do that anyway

Elphenor
11-13-2014, 07:55 PM
"I'm the magical wizard of rhythm"

My favorite Beck song

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Elphenor
11-13-2014, 07:56 PM
he died to kill himself because he was miserable

choosing a past or present artist to stand for yer jesus or whatever is never gonna work don't know why you'd wanna do that anyway

Post-Punk is my religion. Ian Curtis is the symbol for the beginning of post-punk and he pushed himself on stage despite his doctor recommending he stop

vixnix
11-13-2014, 07:57 PM
It's the sarcasm and sadness mingled together that I like. Sometimes I work out listening to Loser. I'm all fat and stuff at the gym and I'm like whatever, fit gym people. Sol un perdido. I'm a loser, baby. So why don't you kill me. There aren't many artists that can ameliorate those conditions. Beck is kinda special that way.

Elphenor
11-13-2014, 07:57 PM
Shit that was "the ENCHANTING wizard of rhythm"

not magical

null123
11-13-2014, 08:01 PM
It's the sarcasm and sadness mingled together that I like. Sometimes I work out listening to Loser. I'm all fat and stuff at the gym and I'm like whatever, fit gym people. Sol un perdido. I'm a loser, baby. So why don't you kill me. There aren't many artists that can ameliorate those conditions. Beck is kinda special that way.
Beck's music is very comforting

null123
11-13-2014, 08:01 PM
And yea Rental Car, I didn't care for Guero overall but I like that one

Mals Marola
11-13-2014, 08:04 PM
but it's so good

earthquake weather, broken drum, scarecrow i think? it's been a while since i've listened to the thing as a whole but there were def'nitely a lot more goods on there than rental car, good as that one might have been indeed

(good)

Elphenor
11-13-2014, 08:07 PM
I really like Guero

Might be my favorite Beck album actually

null123
11-13-2014, 08:11 PM
It's my least favorite Beck

Elphenor
11-13-2014, 08:13 PM
Well I'm happy enough that you like something that I like. I won't get greedy

null123
11-13-2014, 08:17 PM
Yes we shouldn't be divisive. At the same time I think I like pretty much all the music you talk about on here?

Elphenor
11-13-2014, 08:23 PM
It's possible

Mals Marola
11-13-2014, 10:26 PM
odelay is just so easily & obviously the best beck album for me

and that's an achievement cos his other ones (despite what this thread might tell you) ain't a joke either

Trotskilicious
11-13-2014, 10:28 PM
i think mutations is my fave

Trotskilicious
11-13-2014, 10:28 PM
ofc that's the one beck cd i had growing up until i got sea change and i liked the first two songs and the rest were boring but i should try again

reprise85
11-13-2014, 10:31 PM
def been digging some beck since this thread got posted. goodness

The exploding boy
11-13-2014, 10:45 PM
that's pretty ridiculous considering the range of genres/sounds/approaches he's covered

do you even like music



Well like I said before i'm pretty Asperger's like about the music I like.

But i'm very suspicious of any artist people claim you CANT not like otherwise your music taste is worthless...

And also, no, I haven't heard ALL that Beck has recorded. I sampled things here and there in his career and never could get interested enough.

Trotskilicious
11-13-2014, 10:50 PM
Some people have Jesus, I have Mark E Smith

mark e smith would SLAP. THE. SHIT. OUT. OF. YOU.

Elphenor
11-13-2014, 10:50 PM
Beck plays a lot of different genres for sure, but it always sounds like Beck.
"This is Beck doing a soul funk song", "This is Beck doing a metal song", "This is Beck's Folk album"

So I could understand someone not liking any of his music despite the range.

Trotskilicious
11-13-2014, 10:50 PM
worshiping a musician like a god is what punk rock HATES

Trotskilicious
11-13-2014, 10:51 PM
KILL YR OLD DEAD GODS

Elphenor
11-13-2014, 10:51 PM
mark e smith would SLAP. THE. SHIT. OUT. OF. YOU.

For sure.

And not just for that comment

Elphenor
11-13-2014, 10:53 PM
I'm more Jewish in that I don't think of Ian and Marky as literal Gods, but rather preachers of the one true God of Post-Punk

null123
11-14-2014, 06:34 AM
Stop saying corny things

null123
11-14-2014, 06:35 AM
My favorites are Mellow Gold (has the most personal significance for me) and Midnite Vultures with Mutations and Sea Change right up there

Mals Marola
11-14-2014, 07:08 AM
Well like I said before i'm pretty Asperger's like about the music I like.

But i'm very suspicious of any artist people claim you CANT not like otherwise your music taste is worthless...

And also, no, I haven't heard ALL that Beck has recorded. I sampled things here and there in his career and never could get interested enough.

it's more that you said it was the "music part" that got to you or whatever

like when an artist is sampling that many styles and approaches and whatnot, i have to be suspicious of a person who says she doesn't like any of it!