View Full Version : Who is the Greatest American Band of All Time?


dreams of glass
11-04-2014, 01:07 AM
Besides the Pumpkins of course. :p

The exploding boy
11-04-2014, 01:16 AM
Hard to answer for me. I don't do it on purpose but pretty much all my favorite bands are either british or european.

And if you look at the bands people usually list as the best of all time at least the first dozen is probably british....

The exploding boy
11-04-2014, 01:17 AM
I have to admit going through my history the only american band i was ever huge on IS Smashing Pumpkins. there really isn't anything else in my history. And of course SP always had pretty much british influences.

TuralyonW3
11-04-2014, 02:25 AM
It really blows your mind how all the important bands were British

Of course they got their spark from Elvis and chuck berry and the american blues/country/folk tradition leading up to that

TuralyonW3
11-04-2014, 02:33 AM
UK:

Beatles
Stones
Zeppelin
Sabbath
Kinks
Who
Sex pistols
Pink Floyd
Joy division
Hendrix's Band
Deep Purple
Bowie
Queen
Motörhead
Yes
Yardbirds

US:
Velvet Underground
Stooges
MC 5
Elvis
Chuck Berry
Buddy Holly
Jerry Lee lewis / little richard
Dylan
Doors
Springsteen
Beach Boys


CANADA:

Neil Young
Joni Mitchell
Rush


Not getting into krautrock, psych, funk/R&B here

I'm Hardcore
11-04-2014, 02:43 AM
wolf eyes

TuralyonW3
11-04-2014, 02:47 AM
Oh and my answer to the original question:

http://soniceditions.com/library/velvet-underground-HYGV_o_tn.jpg

dreams of glass
11-04-2014, 02:58 AM
I've often wondered if VU is indeed the greatest American band.

fuzzyroes
11-04-2014, 03:58 AM
KISS

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^^^^This song definitely has the best American rock and roll guitar solo of the 70's

fuzzyroes
11-04-2014, 04:01 AM
Honorable mention has to go to Deep 'fucking' Purple of course.

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^^bands don't fucking rock like that anymore

fuzzyroes
11-04-2014, 04:02 AM
A song like Knocking at your back door puts all of these trendy new bands to shame.

fuzzyroes
11-04-2014, 04:04 AM
FACKKK just realized DP isn't even American...

Sonic Johnny
11-04-2014, 04:05 AM
THERE IS ONLY ONE CORRECT ANSWER

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FUCKEN

Sonic Johnny
11-04-2014, 04:10 AM
KAAAAAAAHN

VOIIIIIIGE

TuralyonW3
11-04-2014, 10:25 AM
Honorable mention has to go to Deep 'fucking' Purple of course.

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^^bands don't fucking rock like that anymore



They're British...

sppunk
11-04-2014, 10:54 AM
I hate him but probably Springsteen and the E Street Band.

CCR is way up there.

Raskolnikov
11-04-2014, 12:07 PM
Yeah, in terms of sheer grandiosity mixed with longevity... Bruce & Co probably take the cake.

But in terms of burn out hard and fast and quality of output: CCR whips em there.

Elphenor
11-04-2014, 12:44 PM
How can the answer to this question not be VU

Shallowed
11-04-2014, 01:59 PM
More importantly, How can anyone NOT like Pantera?

Elphenor
11-04-2014, 02:36 PM
I know I'm a hipster or whatever but the answer is either VU or Television

myosis
11-04-2014, 04:50 PM
How can the answer to this question not be VU
because the Miles David Quintet and Parliament

Catherine Wheel
11-04-2014, 04:52 PM
Either the Doors or the Dandy Warhols

Elphenor
11-04-2014, 05:09 PM
The best American artist is obviously Bob Dylan

The best band is VU

Lou Reed is the Punk Bob Dylan

Sonic Johnny
11-04-2014, 05:13 PM
If it isn't converge or sleep it's probably neurosis. In fact it's almost definitely neurosis. And if Nails make one more killer album they'll go into GOAT territory.


Oh and fucken WU TANG and also FUGAZI

Sonic Johnny
11-04-2014, 05:14 PM
Minor threat

Sonic Johnny
11-04-2014, 05:14 PM
SLAYER

Elphenor
11-04-2014, 05:18 PM
But

MOTHERFUCKING SISTER RAY

Elphenor
11-04-2014, 05:21 PM
And seriously TELIVISIONNNN

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Sonic Johnny
11-04-2014, 05:26 PM
but

THE FUTILITY OF ESTABLISHING OBJECTIVE GREATNESS IN ART

slunken
11-04-2014, 05:31 PM
http://www.ivstatic.com/files/et/downloads/Aerosmith-70s.jpg

everybody back the fuck up

myosis
11-04-2014, 05:34 PM
i guess you could put Sonic Youth and R.E.M. on the list of contenders

slunken
11-04-2014, 05:46 PM
imo we should only be considering the "Greatest" period of rock and roll when looking for the greatest band. everything past the initial boom gets too genre-d out

i mean ya sure "suicide" or "velvet underground" are great amazing but there's a lot of things to consider when thinking about "the greatest" that bands like suicide and vus were distinctly opposed to.

slunken
11-04-2014, 05:46 PM
my number 2 is guns and roses sorry bout it

slunken
11-04-2014, 05:51 PM
imo we should only be considering the "Greatest" period of rock and roll when looking for the greatest band. everything past the initial boom gets too genre-d out

i mean ya sure "suicide" or "velvet underground" are great amazing but there's a lot of things to consider when thinking about "the greatest" that bands like suicide and vus were distinctly opposed to.

i realize this sounds incredibly stupid but i don't care to explain it any better atm. inquire for details.

fuzzyroes
11-04-2014, 07:32 PM
http://www.ivstatic.com/files/et/downloads/Aerosmith-70s.jpg

everybody back the fuck up

You gotta admire Aerosmith for sticking with the same lineup after all of those years.

sppunk
11-04-2014, 07:35 PM
If you poll Americans, the percentage who know a single Velvet Underground song would astonishing small I bet.

To be the "greatest" everyone needs to know you. GnR, Aerosmith, Springsteen, CCR, R.E.M., Allman Bros. have to be all more well known IMO

America is probably more of a solo/group country, compared to the crazy number of bands that've come from the UK.

The exploding boy
11-04-2014, 08:04 PM
I was gonna mention REM for the list but also Talking Heads. Its just that i like a lot of american bands but LOVE? Absolutely love....not really even any for me.

Interestingly, while the most respected rock artists are mostly british, when it comes to pop, its mainly Americans.

Mals Marola
11-04-2014, 08:11 PM
surprised the pixies haven't been thrown in one of these lists

isn't that inveitable? they weren't the absolute greatest of all time but they sure were a major catalyst, etc. to a good decade or so of the rock music that came after, somehow

Elphenor
11-04-2014, 08:35 PM
If we ignore the NY scene of VU, Television, Ramones, etc.

Then I would say Pixies probably

Mals Marola
11-04-2014, 10:11 PM
Have you ever heard of the Velvet Underground & Television? i think you would like them

bye june
11-04-2014, 10:44 PM
Butthole Surfers

The Omega Concern
11-05-2014, 12:34 AM
I hate him but probably Springsteen and the E Street Band.

CCR is way up there.

You're getting warm...


Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers would be the better US rep over those two.

The Omega Concern
11-05-2014, 12:45 AM
The best American artist is obviously Bob Dylan

The best band is VU






nah...


Prince

Beach Boys

Elphenor
11-05-2014, 12:55 AM
No thanks to both of those

The exploding boy
11-05-2014, 01:12 AM
Prince is not a band anyway. He's a pretty fascinating individual though. And a good example of what happens when you get an entourage and start believing youre as amazing as they're telling you.

The Omega Concern
11-05-2014, 01:43 AM
No thanks to both of those



The criteria here is a loosely based definition of "Greatest American Band", not your personal favorite list.


I think much better arguments can be made for Greatest US bands from the Beach Boys to GnR long before Velvet Underground even though VU was arguably just as influential as they musically speaking.

The Omega Concern
11-05-2014, 01:47 AM
Prince is not a band anyway. He's a pretty fascinating individual though. And a good example of what happens when you get an entourage and start believing youre as amazing as they're telling you.


Prince changed his name to a symbol to get out from under the record label contract he was in at the time. He locked himself away for 2 weeks to learn the law and figure out a way. He fought off over 50 lawyers the Major's paid for 2 years to beat him and they couldn't. He has much respect in the legal profession as a result.


Yes. He is that badass.








:censored:

Elphenor
11-05-2014, 01:49 AM
I do think VU fits the definition of greatest American Band for a lot of reasons though. I don't think Beach Boys fit the criteria and Prince isn't a band

TuralyonW3
11-05-2014, 01:57 AM
I actually wouldn't fight you if you say talking heads

Mals Marola
11-05-2014, 02:20 AM
in some ways, on some days i think the ramones are the closet thing we have to the beatles

Elphenor
11-05-2014, 02:25 AM
Probably

America should be known for birthing Punk and then Hip-Hop

The exploding boy
11-05-2014, 02:30 AM
YEAH YOU MEAN FOR RUINING ROCK

Elphenor
11-05-2014, 02:34 AM
I mean you could probably say America started Rock as well and Punk was a real return to the roots of Rock.

Most of my favorite bands are British though

Mals Marola
11-05-2014, 02:39 AM
Probably

America should be known for birthing Punk and then Hip-Hop

are we not

i mean there's not much debating the us has a considerable amount more "canon" hip hop artists than anywhere else, or is that just my biased american-born view talking

YEAH YOU MEAN FOR RUINING ROCK

rock was turning into some kind of proto-enya by the late 70s i think we all needed a hot dose of Hey Ho Let's Go

Sonic Johnny
11-05-2014, 02:40 AM
I actually wouldn't fight you if you say talking heads

Gotta say, don't know many people who dislike talking heads.

Elphenor
11-05-2014, 02:45 AM
They really are fantastic. Best American band of the 80's for sure

dreams of glass
11-05-2014, 06:22 AM
I'll just get this out of the way

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dreams of glass
11-05-2014, 06:26 AM
Gotta say, don't know many people who dislike talking heads.

If they do, they're no friends of mine.

Sonic Johnny
11-05-2014, 06:29 AM
disagree strongly with Nirvana

dreams of glass
11-05-2014, 06:39 AM
Yeah so do i

dreams of glass
11-05-2014, 06:41 AM
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fuzzyroes
11-05-2014, 06:59 AM
Nirvana was a great band, but they suffer the same fate as A lot of the greats in that their songs have been absolutely played to death killing a lot of the redeemable qualities that they originally had.

When Smells like Teen Spirit came out it just blew people away, but you hear it now and it's just so tired.

vixnix
11-05-2014, 07:13 AM
Fleetwood Mac

fuzzyroes
11-05-2014, 07:19 AM
They don't count. Wasn't Stevie Nicks the only American in the group?

fuzzyroes
11-05-2014, 07:20 AM
By that logic, I'm surprised nobodies said the Jimmy Hendrix Experience. Jimmy was the driving force to the group.

Definitely has to be the best American rock and roller.

vixnix
11-05-2014, 07:21 AM
oh maybe, I don't know. They'd be nothing without her and she's American so they should get consideration just because of that.

fuzzyroes
11-05-2014, 07:25 AM
lol come on, FWM was one of the groups who definitely operated as a band in the true sense of the word. It wasn't Stevie running the show.

vixnix
11-05-2014, 07:30 AM
musically yeah, but their sound was replicable. without the lyrics/voice & personality Stevie brought, which were distinctly American, they would have been another one of many similar folk rock groups, not the huge mainstream success that they were.

The exploding boy
11-05-2014, 09:15 AM
rock was turning into some kind of proto-enya by the late 70s i think we all needed a hot dose of Hey Ho Let's Go

I was trying to sound like old people. Like the kind that hang out on musician forums. There are people out there still complaining about punk. And also, that disco sucks.

dreams of glass
11-07-2014, 02:21 AM
I know I'm a hipster or whatever but the answer is either VU or Television

What about Talking Heads?

dreams of glass
11-07-2014, 02:23 AM
my number 2 is guns and roses sorry bout it

I can respect that.

dreams of glass
11-07-2014, 02:25 AM
They really are fantastic. Best American band of the 80's for sure

Oh shit, I didn't read the whole thread

Dogfighter28
11-07-2014, 10:49 AM
R.E.M. is a great answer - for most of the 80's the discussion was whether they were the greatest band in the world, or U2. A lot of people skip out on their early output thinking it will all sound like "Everybody Hurts" or something. Tragic.

The National have staked out a similar comparison in recent years. They've kind of grown stagnant in my mind though.

Drive-By Truckers are my personal favorite American rock band of the past 15 years or so. I understand why a Pumpkins fan would be turned off by the southern accents, though. Zip City is one of the best coming of age songs you'll ever hear, and Puttin' People on the Moon is a biting social commentary written about the Reagan years that still holds true today.

If we are not limited to "bands" I would put Tom Waits at the top of the list. The very tip top.