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Elphenor
10-26-2014, 07:34 PM
Thoughts? Album drops in 2015


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Elphenor
10-26-2014, 07:36 PM
Song gets good towards the end when the intensity in Manson's voice picks up.

Mals Marola
10-26-2014, 07:41 PM
last one i heard was the high end of low

i liked it though, don't know what i'd think of it today but i haven't even really heard any of the other full-length albums aside from mechanical animals a coupla times (main exposure was the Lest we Be Damned or whatever it was called "greatest hits")

slunken
10-26-2014, 07:48 PM
been meaning to check in with the guy. last time i did he was a rambling drunken nutjob. Is he still living in a bad neighborhood above a liquor store?

Elphenor
10-26-2014, 08:01 PM
Haven't really looked into it, just saw that this came out

He certainly isn't looking any better

slunken
10-26-2014, 08:21 PM
The last I had checked in on him, in 2012, he had been living for two years in an apartment over top of a liquor store in west hollywood. this was after crawling out of the complete downward spiral of his life and home for three years in the hollywood hills after his 2007-ish divorce from dita

so the timeline is like

2007-2010: goes completely over the edge insane and totally bottoms out on drugs (eat me drink me/high end of low)
2010-2012: moves into a cheap apartment and starts smoking weed (born villian)

slunken
10-26-2014, 08:28 PM
http://www.nachtkabarett.com/ihvh/img/nk_theol_bedroom_bishop.jpg

hollywood hills bedroom

slunken
10-26-2014, 08:30 PM
http://www.nachtkabarett.com/ihvh/img/nk_theol_wall_dc_artwork.jpg

those green thingies are empty cocaine bags

Elphenor
10-26-2014, 08:37 PM
Holy shit

The exploding boy
10-26-2014, 08:39 PM
Pretty sure i stopped giving a shit in like 1999.

butthurt
10-26-2014, 08:43 PM
Maybe he should stick to watercolors.

null123
10-26-2014, 08:52 PM
Looks like the most artfully curated drug den ever
are we sure that's not a movie set

D.
10-26-2014, 08:58 PM
Haven't been into any thing he's done since 2003. GAoG is a classic.

null123
10-26-2014, 09:02 PM
I kinda like the song btw

reprise85
10-26-2014, 09:12 PM
yeah i kinda like it too

compare this and being beige lol.

wounded
10-26-2014, 09:19 PM
i do kinda like this song. honestly haven't listened to a complete album since mechanical animals. i loved mechanical animals when it came out. Can't remember if it got a bunch of backlash or not, but I'm thinking it did at the time.

slunken
10-26-2014, 09:50 PM
are we sure that's not a movie set

as a matter of fact, that was his intention with all of the studio lights. he truly was having a mental breakdown. while he was bottoming out and experiencing cocaine and alcohol psychosis, he started experiencing disparities between his personal life and his professional life, so he started treating his personal life (in this case his bedroom) as if it were a stage or a set. he had cameras and lights and recording equipment - the whole nine yards.

ever since the early 90s he has stated that what seperates him from people such as alice cooper is that he is marilyn manson on stage and off, ie - it's all his life. 2007-2010 is when it caught up with him and went completely off the rails, however.

Elphenor
10-26-2014, 09:54 PM
Mechanical Animals is a post-punk masterpiece but my enjoyment of every thing else is kinda hit and miss. This song is alright I think

null123
10-26-2014, 09:57 PM
stop using genre jargon please I can't deal with this child anymore someone escort him out

slunken
10-26-2014, 09:57 PM
2010-2012 interviews were marked by him just being openly wasted on absinthe and pot i'm just curious as to what (if anything) has changed in the past two years.

null123
10-26-2014, 09:58 PM
as a matter of fact, that was his intention with all of the studio lights. he truly was having a mental breakdown. while he was bottoming out and experiencing cocaine and alcohol psychosis, he started experiencing disparities between his personal life and his professional life, so he started treating his personal life (in this case his bedroom) as if it were a stage or a set. he had cameras and lights and recording equipment - the whole nine yards.

ever since the early 90s he has stated that what seperates him from people such as alice cooper is that he is marilyn manson on stage and off, ie - it's all his life. 2007-2010 is when it caught up with him and went completely off the rails, however.

oic
i guess that's nice that he's committed

slunken
10-26-2014, 10:00 PM
the fact that the new single is called "day three of a seven day binge" doesn't make me think he's cleaned up his act any since then

null123
10-26-2014, 10:01 PM
Perhaps he is in a period of reflection

slunken
10-26-2014, 10:01 PM
i've said it before but now would be the perfect time to team up with billy

slunken
10-26-2014, 10:03 PM
Perhaps he is in a period of reflection

yea, i haven't done the recent research yet but it could be about the past but on the other hand with his burned out memory i would put my money on it's a recent thing.

pretty much all of his records for the past 10 years have started with a giant pile of cocaine

null123
10-26-2014, 10:03 PM
god that would be amazing for billy+manson to make something. It's hard for me to picture though

Elphenor
10-26-2014, 10:05 PM
A Manson fronted band with Corgan on guitar would be incredible and it would get Billy the attention he wants

null123
10-26-2014, 10:09 PM
Let's make it happen. It'll be like The Parent Trap

slunken
10-26-2014, 10:11 PM
billy and manson were supposed to work together but instead they just took a bunch of drugs and we got mechanical animals and then adore a year later.

instead of recording the followup to downward spiral, trent worked on mansons antichrist superstar instead.

i always found it interesting how manson managed to sideline two huge careers with his own albums.

slunken
10-26-2014, 10:13 PM
in my head i always pictured manson on drums and billy on keyboard fwiw

Elphenor
10-26-2014, 10:31 PM
Listening to his stuff again, fuck this guy's voice was so powerful.

F.Delacroix
10-26-2014, 10:42 PM
http://i.imgur.com/G8M7LSj.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/V58Aqd8.jpg

butthurt
10-26-2014, 10:53 PM
i always found it interesting how manson managed to sideline two huge careers with his own albums.

lolwut?

The Omega Concern
10-27-2014, 01:11 AM
ever since the early 90s he has stated that what seperates him from people such as alice cooper is that he is marilyn manson on stage and off, ie - it's all his life. 2007-2010 is when it caught up with him and went completely off the rails, however.



crikey...he should of picked up Golf.

Mals Marola
10-27-2014, 02:46 AM
lol

in any case this song was pretty good

it is kinda amazing the relative (if not on and off) level of quality control or at least just consistency this guy has in comparison to well, bc

but yeah if anything manson would be a good (bad) influence on corgan right about now, how else is anyone going to break through the flowers, gods, and beige curtains

Cool As Ice Cream
10-27-2014, 03:56 AM
stop using genre jargon please I can't deal with this child anymore someone escort him out

so true

Elijah Moon
10-27-2014, 01:20 PM
Not a bad song. I've never considered myself a Manson fan (although I enjoyed the one album I had) but he's a very interesting character. Seems to live his life as some sort of art project

toase
10-27-2014, 02:08 PM
sounds good

Elphenor
10-27-2014, 03:51 PM
Freddie Mercury sucks. Get out of here with that boring opera bullshit

slunken
10-27-2014, 04:36 PM
http://i.imgur.com/G8M7LSj.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/V58Aqd8.jpg

nice

F.Delacroix
10-27-2014, 04:56 PM
in this video they are on the roof, and are walking on the sidewalk just outside
you can see the silver door
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reprise85
10-27-2014, 04:56 PM
Freddie Mercury sucks. Get out of here with that boring opera bullshit

are you serious right now

slunken
10-27-2014, 04:57 PM
http://www.nachtkabarett.com/ihvh/img/nk_theol_wall_dc_artwork.jpg

those green thingies are empty cocaine bags

There are lyrics, ideas, abuse, drawings, scribbles and, in one case, a direction to his poor assistant to put his books on the wall. There's a human jawbone, a doll and a gap in which the word 'vacancy' is written after, in a rage, Manson knocked a prized frame containing a Death's Head Hawkmoth from the wall.
"The first thing I wrote was 'Now I really [heart] you'," he explains, presumably in reference to Wood.
"That was on a day where I thought things were good. Then, suddenly, things went bad. So I tried to correct it to 'Now I really have to kill you'."
Beneath that is an A3 scrap of paper on which 14 empty cocaine bags are taped.
"That's my modern art piece, entitled Week One," he sniggers.
"That was the first week of making the record. Either we had really poor cocaine or we did a lot."
He points to the lyrics of new track Into The Fire, written from the very top of the wall downwards. "I don't know how I got up there," he says. "I don't really remember."
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slunken
10-27-2014, 05:02 PM
The last I had checked in on him, in 2012, he had been living for two years in an apartment over top of a liquor store in west hollywood. this was after crawling out of the complete downward spiral of his life and home for three years in the hollywood hills after his 2007-ish divorce from dita

so the timeline is like

2007-2010: goes completely over the edge insane and totally bottoms out on drugs (end of eat me drink me into high end of low)
2010-2012: moves into a cheap apartment and starts smoking weed (born villian)

would also like to add that 2007-2008 was when he put on the weight.

slunken
10-27-2014, 05:12 PM
"When I meet people now, especially girls, I like to compare myself to a vintage car," he says, agreeing.
"It looks really cool to drive, it's really interesting, but it will break down a lot. I take a lot of maintenance."

"I wrote all the lyrics on the wall of my room. It wasn't to be decorative; it was one of those things, like it's the last thing someone sees before they put them somewhere else. I think it looks good. And if anyone wants to come into this room and fornicate with me, I think they are a keeper... and when I say keeper, I mean kidnapping."

Hopeless naif that I am, I don't immediately realise that Marilyn Manson is totally wasted on absinthe. I can see he's drinking the stuff, but I assume it's just for show. By the end, though, when he's showing me the picture on his iPhone of the swastika freshly shaved into his new girlfriend's pubic hair, I know differently.

The window behind us keeps rattling, and he keeps thinking it is gunfire. Little details of his evening filter out."

some more quotes

slunken
10-27-2014, 05:21 PM
sort of fun going back and revisiting these older interviews - all the ones quoted (that go with the pictures) are from 2009. read more here if you like - http://www.providermodule.com/media/?v=i/2009/times

at the time the interviews were given at the home, he had already attained some level of distance and self-awareness and was beginning to crawl out of the hole he had put himself in. even still, the levels of debauchery and complete desperation are still obvious, even if he does describe some of the stuff in a light-hearted/jokey manner.

i mean this was around the time when he was making graphic videos of him physically killing his (then ex) girlfriend and really just tearing his own heart out over all the sex and drugs. dude banged a lotta hot young tail, though, what's up.

Elphenor
10-27-2014, 05:31 PM
I seriously don't like Queen

Can you say Dad Rock?

slunken
10-27-2014, 05:35 PM
even before his divorce to dita he was envisioning and living some sort of lewis carrol alice in wonderland fantasy and suddenly without a wife in the way shit got real dark real quick.

this isn't the sort of thing you take a week off and then it's all better

my belief is that in 2010 he made an attempt to start to clean that period of his life up and move on. he abandoned his mansion and moved to a cool cheapo apartment. started smoking weed probably to lay off the cocaine so much, but as a result started drinking even more (which was already a lot).

in 2012 he was pretty much just drunk all of the time. this is a good interview if you just want a drunk marilyn manson to talk your ear off about anything that pops into his head for an hour

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Elphenor
10-27-2014, 05:39 PM
insanity

This is trippy because I read his autobiography and it's very misleading starting from the title. It appears he never made i out of hell

slunken
10-27-2014, 05:39 PM
btw, my best friend from hs was a giant manson fan as much as i liked pumpkins, so we still trade info back and forth. that's why i know all this stuff. haven't listened to any albums since holy wood.

slunken
10-27-2014, 05:46 PM
insanity

This is trippy because I read his autobiography and it's very misleading starting from the title. It appears he never made i out of hell

nah the entire book can be corroborated from interviews. if anything its a just a great compilation of his earliest (and best) work.

but unfortunately the most interesting stuff is happening 15-20 years down the road and the whole theme of "marilyn manson" didn't involve a 20 year plan or even a 10 year plan

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The exploding boy
10-27-2014, 06:30 PM
wtf... you guys tricked me. this is terrible.

Yeah i mean its actually better than anything he ever put out in the 90's but it's not like mind blowingly good. it's like oh it doesn't suck as much as the old stuff. big deal


As for the queen thing, i may have said this in another thread some time back, but a few months ago it occurred to me that Bohemian Rhapsody was once a no1 hit. Now i understand why punk happened, partly because of overblown shit which one could accuse bohemian rhapsody of being, but i still have to lament the fact that something as musically complex as Bohemian Rahpsody with so many different parts would never have a chance to make it to number 1 on the billboard right now ever, not in a million years. Now we've gone the other way, now even punk seem musically complex. Now you have a beat, a repeating four notes pattern and some boring vocal melody and you've got a hit. i'll take Queen over this any day.

Elphenor
10-27-2014, 06:58 PM
If Queen isn't Dad Rock I don't know what is

Elphenor
10-27-2014, 07:03 PM
http://i.imgur.com/qBcL95C.jpg

Elphenor
10-27-2014, 07:04 PM
This is literally something that happened when I was a kid

Sonic Johnny
10-27-2014, 07:06 PM
Did you actually just attempt to prove a point with a reddit meme?

The Omega Concern
10-27-2014, 07:07 PM
a century from now Bowie will be remembered while anyone you claim to be non-dad rock at present will be forgotten.

Elphenor
10-27-2014, 07:10 PM
Dads listens to Queen and Led Zeppelin and The Eagles and ACDC because it's inoffensive un-challeging rock music.

My Dad doesn't like The Beatles because they're hippies with experimental songs like Strawberry Fields

Elphenor
10-27-2014, 07:11 PM
Did you actually just attempt to prove a point with a reddit meme?

No that was a joke.

My dislike for Queen has nothing to do with them being Dad Rock

Sonic Johnny
10-27-2014, 07:11 PM
So your idiocy is genetic

Elphenor
10-27-2014, 07:14 PM
No, I just don't like Queen. You guys can like Queen if you want.

The Omega Concern
10-27-2014, 07:15 PM
Dads listens to Queen and Led Zeppelin and The Eagles and ACDC because it's inoffensive un-challeging rock music.

My Dad doesn't like The Beatles because they're hippies with experimental songs like Strawberry Fields



There's not a trace of historical perspective here. You're like the folks South Park parodied about not giving a shit of anything from 30 years or more in the past.

Elphenor
10-27-2014, 07:19 PM
Like 90% of the music I listen to happened almost exactly 30 years ago

Sonic Johnny
10-27-2014, 07:20 PM
You do realise that when your dad was a kid Zeppelin wasn't "un-challenging" it was fucking GAME CHANGING right?

Elphenor
10-27-2014, 07:22 PM
Yes

Elphenor
10-27-2014, 07:24 PM
If you're going to listen to a big rock band from the 70's the only correct answer is Floyd

Sonic Johnny
10-27-2014, 07:25 PM
Dads listens to Queen and Led Zeppelin and The Eagles and ACDC because it's inoffensive un-challeging rock music.

:confused:

Elphenor
10-27-2014, 07:28 PM
It was challenging if you were born in the 50's

I mean "Dad Rock" is a stupid joke term, but it's just the shorthand way of saying "Safe Rock by modern standards"

Mals Marola
10-27-2014, 07:30 PM
If you're going to listen to a big rock band from the 70's the only correct answer is Floyd

how in the FUCK are pink floyd more "challenging" then queen or led zeppeling?

because they take 20 minute "synth shits?" (no disrespect, i do like them but goddamn come on now)

A Night at the Opera is so far from "dad rock" it's hilarious, and i'm about four years older than you

then again i guess i did start seeing a "hopeless generation" thing happening with kids born after 1993 so hell, who knows lol

Mals Marola
10-27-2014, 07:31 PM
quote unquote

Elphenor
10-27-2014, 07:34 PM
Like 90% of the music I listen to happened almost exactly 30 years ago
.

Mals Marola
10-27-2014, 07:35 PM
so the dads just have to be younger then

Elphenor
10-27-2014, 07:37 PM
how in the FUCK are pink floyd more "challenging" then queen or led zeppeling?

because they take 20 minute "synth shits?" (no disrespect, i do like them but goddamn come on now)

A Night at the Opera is so far from "dad rock" it's hilarious, and i'm about four years older than you

then again i guess i did start seeing a "hopeless generation" thing happening with kids born after 1993 so hell, who knows lol

The music they created is a lot more interesting.
"20 minute syth shits"

How much Floyd have you actually listened to?

Elphenor
10-27-2014, 07:40 PM
so the dads just have to be younger then

It's not about the year the music comes from that isn't the point of calling something "Dad Rock"

I consider the new Foo Fighters album to be "Dad Rock". My Dad would totally listen to that shit because it's boring and safe

Captain Beefheart is not Dad Rock
Velvet Underground is not Dad Rock

Mooney
10-27-2014, 07:44 PM
Like 90% of the music I listen to happened almost exactly 30 years ago

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The exploding boy
10-27-2014, 07:54 PM
i don't "get" led zeppelin either and never will but i think one has to take themselves too seriously to not enjoy AC/DC. Their whole ethos is practically punk in a way. "We do this one thing, and we do it this way, and fuck all y'all". Do you also think Motorhead is dad rock? Also not sure how AC/DC is that safe, they had songs practically about rape (not that i approve.... though i think AC/DC's lyrics have to be taken with a grain of salt) AC/DC are not the eagles. They may seem quaint now but you know, rock n roll was invented so that bands like AC/DC could exist. And yes they are unchallenging....about as much as the ramones or the pistols.

toase
10-27-2014, 07:56 PM
I like almost everything up to holy wood, skip to eat me drink me (which is okay).

Then he tried to copy his old stuff and it was just terrible.

This track sounds good, hope the album is at least good, it better than anything billy did since 2007.
he should stop trying to copy his old sound... the same goes for billy

animals is still his best

Elphenor
10-27-2014, 08:00 PM
i don't "get" led zeppelin either and never will but i think one has to take themselves too seriously to not enjoy AC/DC. Their whole ethos is practically punk in a way. "We do this one thing, and we do it this way, and fuck all y'all". Do you also think Motorhead is dad rock? Also not sure how AC/DC is that safe, they had songs practically about rape (not that i approve.... though i think AC/DC's lyrics have to be taken with a grain of salt) AC/DC are not the eagles. They may seem quaint now but you know, rock n roll was invented so that bands like AC/DC could exist. And yes they are unchallenging....about as much as the ramones or the pistols.

ACDC was my favorite of the groups that my Dad introduced me to when I was 13. But once you've heard one ACDC album you've heard them all.

Sonic Johnny
10-27-2014, 08:03 PM
rock n roll was invented so that bands like AC/DC could exist.

Is this thread now a competition to see who can say the stupidest thing?

reprise85
10-27-2014, 08:33 PM
queen is awesome and fuck you elphy

reprise85
10-27-2014, 08:34 PM
I seriously don't like Queen

Can you say Dad Rock?

lol wut

reprise85
10-27-2014, 08:36 PM
even if you aren't really into the music, you have to know how great a singer mercury was and that they were damn good songwriters.

toase
10-27-2014, 08:38 PM
Queen is deader than dead
Shock is all in your head

toase
10-27-2014, 08:39 PM
he also gave the best concerts ever

The Omega Concern
10-27-2014, 08:56 PM
It was challenging if you were born in the 50's

I mean "Dad Rock" is a stupid joke term, but it's just the shorthand way of saying "Safe Rock by modern standards"



Thank you for that clarification, because when AC/DC came out with Highway to Hell, a lot of baby boomer parents started taking those evangelicals a little more seriously (culminating in Tipper Gore vs Dee Snider)...now we're at Baphomet themed acts with Kary Perry during the Grammy's.

The exploding boy
10-27-2014, 09:04 PM
ACDC was my favorite of the groups that my Dad introduced me to when I was 13. But once you've heard one ACDC album you've heard them all.

same with at least 80% of punk bands though.

The Omega Concern
10-27-2014, 09:06 PM
even if you aren't really into the music, you have to know how great a singer mercury was and that they were damn good songwriters.

Steve Perry and Brad Delp would be his contemporaries in the Stadium Rock realm. Queen was by far the more diverse band between them Journey and Boston though. Technically speaking, Perry is one of the greatest singers ever.

Elphenor
10-27-2014, 09:09 PM
Yeah but you can get away with sounding the same if your lyrics are smart

And I think most punk bands that were worth a damn only lasted one or two albums and then either quit for good or became something post-punk related

Elphenor
10-27-2014, 09:10 PM
Steve Perry and Brad Delp would be his contemporaries in the Stadium Rock realm. Queen was by far the more diverse band between them Journey and Boston though. Technically speaking, Perry is one of the greatest singers ever.


This actually highlights what I don't like about them. Fuck stadium Rock

The Omega Concern
10-27-2014, 09:10 PM
ACDC was my favorite of the groups that my Dad introduced me to when I was 13. But once you've heard one ACDC album you've heard them all.




Ummmm...

Bon Scott to Brian Johnson made for a much different band. The only album Johnson did that was worth anything was Back in Black and that's because Scott's spirit still compelled the band to make that album.

Elphenor
10-27-2014, 09:12 PM
I also hate The Who

The Omega Concern
10-27-2014, 09:15 PM
I like the Pete Townsend songs the most from them.

Mals Marola
10-27-2014, 09:49 PM
The music they created is a lot more interesting.
"20 minute syth shits"

How much Floyd have you actually listened to?

was bein facetious w that comment but i wasn't that far off now let's be REAL

heard piper, wish you were here, dark side, animals

at least

and i really like animals

interesting band

Elphenor
10-27-2014, 09:56 PM
THE WALLLLL

That's arena Rock with some actual brains

Elphenor
10-27-2014, 09:58 PM
Psychedelic groove rock

Mals Marola
10-27-2014, 09:58 PM
i've heard parts of the wall obv and even some of the movie

but shit i've heard parts of division bell too, and actually liked some of that for what it's worth

i like a lot of things though, fer a lot of people being an sp fan was a gateway to like, mbv and shit but for me, i was already into those kinda alternative/undergroundish bands so it pretty much just made me a bit more open-minded toward "corny rock" stuff like the 70s bands being talked about here

and you know, metal

Elphenor
10-27-2014, 10:09 PM
I like Black Sabbath but that's because Iommi is God

Mals Marola
10-27-2014, 10:50 PM
i like them because they're good and wrote/recorded After Forever

The exploding boy
10-28-2014, 12:00 AM
I also hate The Who

COME ON MAN. The who is like pink floyd. Even if you hate 70's classic rock, and by and large i do, you can't really hate those two.

Elphenor
10-28-2014, 12:08 AM
I don't understand at ALL what people like about The Who. Boring as fuck.
And I've tried to figure it out, but there's just nothing interesting there to me.

Floyd was doing so much more interesting stuff and covering more ground and pushing the limits of what Rock could be in ways other 70's rock bands weren't.

Elphenor
10-28-2014, 12:16 AM
Brian May > Tony Iommi

So much nope

null123
10-28-2014, 12:22 AM
having opinions is exhilarating!!!!!!!! - elphenor

Dogfighter28
10-28-2014, 12:25 AM
this thread is about as nauseating as marilyn manson himself

reprise85
10-28-2014, 12:26 AM
elphy do you like the beatles

Elphenor
10-28-2014, 12:35 AM
I love The Beatles

Mals Marola
10-28-2014, 12:36 AM
i'll admit i never really got into the who's "prog" phase or whatever you call Quadro and Tommy and all that

i don't neccesarily hate it or anything but i always thought of 'em as kind of Kinks contemporaries, even to the point of where both bands were contemporary in losing my interesting after they started "beefing up" or whatever and goin more toward concept rock instead of the solid-ass pop rock stuff they were doing in the 60s

beatles and floyd were the ones who really got that sorta thing right, as far as i'm concerned right now

Elphenor
10-28-2014, 12:40 AM
Sun King - Mean Mr. Mustard - Polythene Pam - She Came in Through the Bathroom Window

Might be the greatest album streak ever

Sonic Johnny
10-28-2014, 12:47 AM
fascinating

fuzzyroes
10-28-2014, 05:54 AM
So elphy "loves the Beatles" but Led Zeppelin and Queen are too safe and dad rock?!

What the fucks this kid on about?

The Beatles are great and were definitely game changers of their time but if you look at it from todays standards theres no way in hell that Queen and Zeppelin are more safe than the Beatles

fuzzyroes
10-28-2014, 06:05 AM
Elph outright dismisses tracks like this, yet he professes his love for Franz Ferdinand. Kids a goof

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Elphenor
10-28-2014, 06:07 AM
It should be obvious why I like one over the other. Queen and Zep are big proggy Rock bands while The Beatles were more experimental pop.

When Post-Punk guitarists looked for a way to distance themselves from the rock of the 70's they went back to the style of The Beatles copying things like Lennon's way of playing guitar chords as if they were banjo chords (Because banjo was the first instrument he learned) and shifting away from a bluesy sound to a "Jangly" sound.

Elphenor
10-28-2014, 06:10 AM
I love Over the Hills until Plant's voice kicks in. No thanks

fuzzyroes
10-28-2014, 06:13 AM
It should be obvious why I like one over the other. Queen and Zep are big proggy Rock bands while The Beatles were more experimental pop.

When Post-Punk guitarists looked for a way to distance themselves from the rock of the 70's they went back to the style of The Beatles copying things like Lennon's way of playing guitar chords as if they were banjo chords (Because banjo was the first instrument he learned) and shifting away from a bluesy sound to a "Jangly" sound.

The Beatles are amazing, nobody denies this. But c'mon if I listen to lucy in the sky in diamonds and then listen to Queens we are the champions you can't say that queen is just safe dad-rock in comparison

fuzzyroes
10-28-2014, 06:16 AM
This is one of Queens biggest hits and theres tons of elements in it that make it "less-safe" than most of the Beatles catalog

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Elphenor
10-28-2014, 06:17 AM
ummmm, yes I can

Lucy in the Sky is a trippy song about taking LSD. We are the Champions is a cheezy prog rock song that's played at Basketball games and stuff

fuzzyroes
10-28-2014, 06:18 AM
I mean, an openly gay guy singing a homo-sexual anthem like this in the 70's... Nothing safe about it dude

fuzzyroes
10-28-2014, 06:18 AM
god dude... yer such a tard. I mean you seem like a good dude, passionate about your beliefs but you don't know what the fuck yer talking about.

fuzzyroes
10-28-2014, 06:20 AM
and what the fuck do you care anyways? it's not like you've even done LSD or anything, so why should that resonate with you?

Elphenor
10-28-2014, 06:23 AM
There are Queen songs that are way way less offensive to the ears than We are the Champions at least.

I could go a lifetime without ever having to hear that shit again

fuzzyroes
10-28-2014, 06:29 AM
yeah but you're dense enough to think he wrote it as some "basketball ant****

If you read the lyrics now and hear the music, it's incredibly powerful to think that he wrote this and was performing this in 1977...and to think that homosexuals are still not fully excepted in society to this day.

Lyrical content aside, the musical compositions from Queen are wide ranging and unique. There was nothing "safe" about the band.

Consider that THIS was a rival HUGE hit at the time and it might give you some perspective
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You talk like you know your shit, but you keep on showing your historical ignorance

Elphenor
10-28-2014, 06:29 AM
Why can't we all listen to Orange Juice.
Edwyn Collins and his perpetually lovesick croon is my biggest influence our voices sound similar only I sound like shit

Most underrated band ever:
"I'll never be mad enough for you"

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fuzzyroes
10-28-2014, 06:34 AM
sorry. posted the same video in my reply by accident. fixed now

Mals Marola
10-28-2014, 06:38 AM
over the hills is great what's more plant sounds pretty awesome in it

i mean i can understand finding him "shrill" or something in some stuff, if yer into complaining about that sort of thing, but i mean this one he just works with it

fuck, jesus!

Elphenor
10-28-2014, 06:39 AM
Safe by today's standards bro

We already covered this

fuzzyroes
10-28-2014, 06:39 AM
Elph just has no fundamental understanding about the music that came before him.

It's alright. He's young. He'll learn

Mals Marola
10-28-2014, 06:40 AM
is there any non-sp band thread on this board where it doesn't end up being about some completely other band or bands by page 5

i mean what kind of marilyn manson thread has a page starting with a post:

"Sun King - Mean Mr. Mustard - Polythene Pam - She Came in Through the Bathroom Window

Might be the greatest album streak ever"

it's genuinely impressive

Elphenor
10-28-2014, 06:42 AM
That's generally how threads work here

Elphenor
10-28-2014, 06:43 AM
Elph just has no fundamental understanding about the music that came before him.

It's alright. He's young. He'll learn

If anything I'm embarrassingly ignorant about modern music. I'm hardcore "Le born in the wrong generation" if you've been paying attention to my tastes at all

Sonic Johnny
10-28-2014, 06:52 AM
Yeah see if you're willing to admit that yourself surely you can understand why nobody here takes anything you say even remotely seriously

I'm Hardcore
10-28-2014, 07:02 AM
beatles bore the f outta me

I'm Hardcore
10-28-2014, 07:02 AM
they were probably good, but i cant get past the ho-hum

Mals Marola
10-28-2014, 07:02 AM
If anything I'm embarrassingly ignorant about modern music. I'm hardcore "Le born in the wrong generation" if you've been paying attention to my tastes at all

then a) where in the fuck are you coming from with this "today's standards" business and b) re: the today's standards things, it doesn't really work like that

if it was daring or challenging then it doesn't just turn into coldplay at the turn of the century

maybe not as shocking or something because of what came after, but hardly fucking "safe" lol

(h-hey mama said the way you move gonna make you sweat gonna make you groove!)

I'm Hardcore
10-28-2014, 07:02 AM
the velvet underground, on the other hand

fuzzyroes
10-28-2014, 07:08 AM
Elph was one of the people who loved Oceania yet here is and his "FUCK Zeppelin and Queen! TOO SAFE!"

Elphenor
10-28-2014, 07:13 AM
the velvet underground, on the other hand

I fully endorse this

Mals Marola
10-28-2014, 07:15 AM
what's worse a safe opinion or a safe band

Mals Marola
10-28-2014, 07:16 AM
(p.s. safe bands not to ******* Elphenor's Law Led Zeppelin are not in the safe band category)

fuzzyroes
10-28-2014, 07:19 AM
Safe opinions. Theres a ton of safe artists who have managed to put out some great music.

Mals Marola
10-28-2014, 07:19 AM
respectable answer, fuzzy roe!

now for the sake & love of sweet baby christ, enough with the rhetorical questions and insightful answers, how about some fucking ROCK MUSIC??!

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fuzzyroes
10-28-2014, 07:21 AM
I mean, Katy Perry is safe and this song is just fantastic

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gotta love that slap bass

I'm Hardcore
10-28-2014, 07:21 AM
one of his shittiest songs

fuzzyroes
10-28-2014, 07:22 AM
people will assume I'm trolling, but I was rocking that shit in my MP3 player throughout the summer, and man, it set the mood

I'm Hardcore
10-28-2014, 07:23 AM
no i really don't think you're trolling

I'm Hardcore
10-28-2014, 07:23 AM
you're totally the type of guy who'd pump his fist out a car window hollering "FIGHT! FIGHT!"

Mals Marola
10-28-2014, 07:23 AM
i disagree, but admittedly my reason for choosing that partic one was to go with the great ol' "fighting theme" we have in this here beautiful thread

along with pretty much all the other elphynore threads

Elphenor
10-28-2014, 07:24 AM
then a) where in the fuck are you coming from with this "today's standards" business and b) re: the today's standards things, it doesn't really work like that

if it was daring or challenging then it doesn't just turn into coldplay at the turn of the century

maybe not as shocking or something because of what came after, but hardly fucking "safe" lol

(h-hey mama said the way you move gonna make you sweat gonna make you groove!)

Like look, Led Z is what my old conservative relatives turn on and declare as "real music" while they watch Fox News and work on old cars. It didn't remain challenging.

But a band like VU on the other hand or pretty much anything punk related....

Mals Marola
10-28-2014, 07:24 AM
you're totally the type of guy who'd pump his fist out a car window hollering "FIGHT! FIGHT!"

i think it was "we'll melt yer popsicle!"

I'm Hardcore
10-28-2014, 07:25 AM
he peaked in 96

I'm Hardcore
10-28-2014, 07:26 AM
im with Elphenor on this one - the velvet underground had a far bigger influence on most of my favourite music, than the beatles did

I'm Hardcore
10-28-2014, 07:29 AM
if this a meaningful discussion, then

http://s.pixogs.com/image/R-102236-1408813158-3312.jpeg



this record had quite a profound influence, in terms of introducing me to the 'darker' aspects of society. i think i was 11 years old when i bought the cassette version. cool eh.

Elphenor
10-28-2014, 07:35 AM
What I loved about Manson when I was like 14 or so was that his name still carried like a certain infamy. People frowned when they talked about him and there was all this mythology surrounding him like he was the devil or something. It was music that normal people were still legit afraid of.

fuzzyroes
10-28-2014, 07:41 AM
people stopped being afraid of manson way before 2007. The conservative folks were terrified of the guy during 97-2000... then it sorta fizzled out.

This is my favorite MM song

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Mals Marola
10-28-2014, 07:42 AM
yeah i mean i had a copy of my friend's slipknot album when i was 13 but even with that taken into account i never went near marilyn manson

until after high school that is, when i got into it more from a respect of what he was doing as an artist than any teenage "ooh this is bad i'd get in trouble" type stuff

I'm Hardcore
10-28-2014, 07:45 AM
a lot of what he had to say really resonated with me, even then

I'm Hardcore
10-28-2014, 07:45 AM
nothing about "ooh bad trouble" or w/e.

I'm Hardcore
10-28-2014, 07:45 AM
i mean serial killers are FUCKING FASCINATING man

Mals Marola
10-28-2014, 07:48 AM
yeah i'm not saying that would actually be anyone's intention in listening to his music or whatever it's just there was definitely some kind of adrenaline rush in listening to something like marshall mathers when yer parents were going to church every sunday or whatever

figured they'd order an exorcism on me if they'd actually heard the stuff going on in my headphones at the time
now they do know, among other things, and they've probably considered it

Mals Marola
10-28-2014, 07:51 AM
reading a review of mechanical animals, being reminding of the "billy corgan as a consultant" part of all that

it makes sense to people that marilyn was once a genuinely scary figure

but it reminded me that once the pumpkins were in the "devil music" category for a lotta those same kinda parents/demographics as well

i remember that kinda feeling in the late 90s/early 21st century but damn the thought of trying to tell someone that during the 1st half of an oceania concert is kind of bizarre

toase
10-28-2014, 08:55 AM
oops