View Full Version : Billy Should Just Go Solo Again


dreams of glass
10-03-2014, 03:55 AM
It's like, I don't even know what he's trying to do here, but it's awesome

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dreams of glass
10-03-2014, 03:57 AM
And actually, for 2005, it's pretty advanced. It captures that whole retro 80's vibe that's going on now.

Funbags
10-03-2014, 05:17 AM
I love TFE.

Sucks that he canned that vibe simply because it "didn't sell".

Elphenor
10-03-2014, 05:24 AM
It sounds like a Machina track I would skip. Pretty much that's what his whole solo album sounds like.

Elphenor
10-03-2014, 05:27 AM
I liked when he was doing shit like "A backwards Clock Society".

Really if he would do anything that didn't involve calling himself The Pumpkins I would be 100 times more supportive

dreams of glass
10-03-2014, 05:54 AM
I love TFE.

Sucks that he canned that vibe simply because it "didn't sell".


well, he should do more of it, cause shit ain't been exactly right since then

dodoz
10-03-2014, 09:41 AM
As far as i'm concerned, he has been "solo" for years now...He can call his projects "smashing pumpkins" all he wants. The funny thing being that Jimmy appears on "The Future Embrace", making it more Smashing Pumpkins than "Oceania".

And actually, for 2005, it's pretty advanced. It captures that whole retro 80's vibe that's going on now.

It was not that advanced, as there was a retro 80s vibe around 2003-2005 as well. It's cyclical. The Killers first album ? Totally 80s. Interpol ? = The Chamelons, "Script of the Bridge", 1983 (much more than Joy Division). But the way Billy did this album was unique, and I love this song and album.

What I love about Billy is that there always was a shoegaze vibe in what he did and he never denied it, even when it was the uncoolest thing to do. I find it amazing to see this genre loved by a lot of people now (and new bands doing "Ride-lite" getting praise) when it was totally hated when most bands were around and totally forgotten by 95...It's good that shoegaze got some credit.

Tootles
10-03-2014, 10:16 AM
Who cares. Just give me music. Doesn't matter. Good music. Call it shittyshittybangbang. Only the music matters, does not matter what your name.

Elijah Moon
10-03-2014, 11:06 AM
A Corgan by any other name....

bye june
10-03-2014, 12:31 PM
The Future Embrace is a really great album.

Raskolnikov
10-03-2014, 01:23 PM
Love that clip. Watched that tons back in the day for some reason.

Wonder what he ended up doing with that screen thing? Mighta been just a rental.

s0ss
10-03-2014, 04:29 PM
It's like, I don't even know what he's trying to do here, but it's awesome

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYEMv2GuHwI

I'm trying to figure out what Linda Fuckberry is doing.

DaveKShape
10-03-2014, 05:39 PM
good lord Linda Strawberry ruins songs so quickly with her background vocals

slunken
10-03-2014, 06:08 PM
that whole retro 80's vibe that's going on now.

lol i feel like people hve been saying this for like 20 years now

null123
10-03-2014, 06:27 PM
music and fashion were invented in the 80s

MyOneAndOnly
10-03-2014, 09:38 PM
billy is "going solo" right now

thread title should be "why doesn't billy just make a great record"

slunken
10-03-2014, 11:18 PM
http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb14/slunken_2007/SP%20LOL/fyeajimmy_zps79ee8337.jpg (http://s207.photobucket.com/user/slunken_2007/media/SP%20LOL/fyeajimmy_zps79ee8337.jpg.html)

Woody
10-04-2014, 10:01 AM
Whenever someone mentions TFE on here I think "Oh yeah, I missed that album, I can't remember much about it, I should give it a go!"

So I listen to a song and the first ten seconds or so I dig the synth stuff, and listen more and there might be a hook I like and I start to wonder why I wrote the album off as a disaster.

Another minute or so in, by the time the first chorus is done there has guaranteed been a vocal line, effect, melody, which I find as annoying as Because You Are, and the song is going nowhere and there are no memorable hooks and now it's actually annoying me. And then I have to turn it off because I'm just getting nothing out of it. And I can't remember anything specific about the song I was just listening to because it was a complete piece of shit.

That's The Future Embrace.

MyOneAndOnly
10-04-2014, 10:14 AM
How so? He still has sir Jeffrey.

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slunken
10-04-2014, 11:48 AM
Whenever someone mentions TFE on here I think "Oh yeah, I missed that album, I can't remember much about it, I should give it a go!"

So I listen to a song and the first ten seconds or so I dig the synth stuff, and listen more and there might be a hook I like and I start to wonder why I wrote the album off as a disaster.

Another minute or so in, by the time the first chorus is done there has guaranteed been a vocal line, effect, melody, which I find as annoying as Because You Are, and the song is going nowhere and there are no memorable hooks and now it's actually annoying me. And then I have to turn it off because I'm just getting nothing out of it. And I can't remember anything specific about the song I was just listening to because it was a complete piece of shit.

That's The Future Embrace.

Even with headphones it sounds like he's singing to a karaoke track. It's mixed like a pop album so the thick wall of music he worked on turns into a thin wall and then you have a drum machine and billy vocals. Would love to have multitracks a of that record.

dreams of glass
10-04-2014, 01:18 PM
What's the deal with Linda Strawberry? Was Billy dating her?

Elphenor
10-04-2014, 01:25 PM
Yeah, there's just no hooks in the songs. You keep expecting one in the chorus but no

dreams of glass
10-09-2014, 02:56 AM
Surprised this doesn't have more views.


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good quality here

Mals Marola
10-09-2014, 05:15 AM
from what it sounds like day for night and MTAE are warming up to be glorified solo records anyway

and that world's fair performance was almost "tfe done right" or something
and i liked tfe

fuzzyroes
10-09-2014, 06:27 AM
Mina Loy and Camera Eye are both standout Corgan tracks... Eons better than the Teargarden/Oceania fluff

BurtSampson
10-09-2014, 03:33 PM
the guitar sound on The Future Embrace is so sexy

Linda Strawberry, however, is a fucking dog.

Raskolnikov
10-09-2014, 06:42 PM
Surprised this doesn't have more views.

Not sure I'd ever seen that somehow... cool stuff.

OldAtHeart
10-10-2014, 12:39 AM
I saw him on his solo tour for this record in Canada. A girl in front of me went into a seizure because of that LCD background seen in that video. Although it seemed a little bigger on stage but it was probably the same one.

dreams of glass
10-10-2014, 03:29 AM
Speaking of Billy going solo, haha

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fuzzyroes
10-10-2014, 06:46 AM
the guitar sound on The Future Embrace is so sexy

Linda Strawberry, however, is a fucking dog.

Whater you talking about? She may be a shitty singer and stuff but she's definitely a gorgeous women.

fuzzyroes
10-10-2014, 06:50 AM
http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/500/411109/Linda+Strawberry.jpg:love:

MyOneAndOnly
10-10-2014, 08:14 AM
the guitar sound on The Future Embrace is so sexy

Linda Strawberry, however, is a fucking dog.

http://m.quickmeme.com/img/97/97034781c0b0329b75fecda4e62861949dc79cff89481fd2c1 b38c675d11d8a0.jpg

Shallowed
10-10-2014, 08:50 AM
Why the fuck should anyone care about who wants to fuck or not fuck someone?

dreams of glass
10-28-2014, 04:29 AM
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dreams of glass
10-28-2014, 04:30 AM
It's like, I don't even know what he's trying to do here, but it's awesome

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Surprised this doesn't have more views.


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good quality here

*ahem*

dreams of glass
10-28-2014, 05:22 AM
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fuzzyroes
10-28-2014, 05:43 AM
Not the greatest lead single, but you have to appreciate the experimentalism of it all.

I still say Mina Loy or Camera Eye would have made great first singles and probably would have resonated with a lot more of the casual SP fans.

fuzzyroes
10-28-2014, 05:44 AM
Corgan was off my radar at the time the solo stuff dropped and I saw that video and was like "ehh... this is lame".

I like it now after listening to it a bunch of times, but it's not the kind of track that grabs you on first listen.

Funbags
10-28-2014, 06:08 AM
TFE short film is great. I love the dreamlike combination of Victorian imagery and futuristic sounds. Fucking brilliant.

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^^This era is like the last known whereabouts of Adult Billy Corgan.

fuzzyroes
10-28-2014, 06:12 AM
As much as I love a lot of the Zeitgeist era performances and some of the songs, It probably would have been better for Billy if he stayed on that track and saw where it progressed to.

Or at least bring Jim back and call it SP and continue on the same path that he was originally on.

Mals Marola
10-28-2014, 06:26 AM
bollo is always switching gears abruptly though, do you really think there was a chance of that happening? i think he was afraid of getting seriously depressed again or something

actually these days are the first time since probably the gish and sd era where bill does kinda seem to be on some kind of consistent path, musically and/or otherwise i guess

and yeah i do like that film a lot

hadn't even heard walking shade until like a year after i had tfe on account of the "bootlegged" copy i had was missing that track for whatever reason
shit, i don't think i was even a huge sp fan when i first heard that album or anything but i still liked a lot of it

Tumora
10-30-2014, 06:08 PM
It sounds like a Machina track I would skip. Pretty much that's what his whole solo album sounds like.

I always wondered if some of his solo songs were written in 1998/99...when he originally wanted to do a solo album.

werideatdusk
11-07-2014, 01:30 AM
Like a sap, the opening refrain from "Age of Innocence" hit me in the face, a manifesto for the populism (or sell-out-ness) inherent to SP:

"We dismissed the back roads to ride these streets unafraid, resigned to scraping paint from our bones unashamed"

FutureEmbrace was kind of a back road!

warewolf95
11-07-2014, 08:45 AM
Billy needs to just either disband the "Pumpkins" or reunite with Jimmy.

As far as im concerned, TSP died when Jimmy left. The new stuff is all pretty much fucking solo Corgan branded as TSP for recognition purposes. Fuck that.

Billy. You can do awesome when you don't give a shit what people think. So disband this current band and fucking go legit solo again. Please

Or you can just reunite Zwan...

houseofglass11
11-07-2014, 04:29 PM
It's not like having Jimmy made people like Zeitgeist any better.

Jimmy does the same fills and the same tricks over and over again. He's flashy, but it's always the same elaborate tom section or machine gun snare fills. It got really old to my ears on Zeitgeist. It's nice to hear BC working with a different drummer that isn't Byrne on MTAE.

Starla
11-07-2014, 05:45 PM
The Future Embrace is a really great album.

It is....and one of his last best shows. The era of Z and kazoo shows turned me off quite a bit until oceania came around.

pumpkinfan1988
11-07-2014, 06:09 PM
And actually, for 2005, it's pretty advanced. It captures that whole retro 80's vibe that's going on now.

Is that what you call today's music? Well whatever it is it blows. I need heavy guitars/drums to block out that rap and pop crap that won't fuck off. Theres not enough competition right now and thats the problem, those other genres need to be put in their place. They are redundant and they need to be shown it.

myosis
11-07-2014, 06:32 PM
I can't tell for sure but I was pretty convinced that The Future Embrace had some influence on 23 by blonde redhead, when that album came out. and i loved it.

i did listen to TFE all summer through in 2005. maybe some songs made me cringe a bit but nothing compared to what teargarden songs do to me.

myosis
11-07-2014, 06:34 PM
also I must mention that when walking shade came out, I was proud of the path billy was taking. he seemed to have become a mature artist who is finding his own way and originality, whose credibility could only grow stronger with time.

that backfired. announcing the return of SP on the day TFE came out made the first dent in that credibility.

null123
11-07-2014, 06:58 PM
There was an 80s vibe going on in 2005 too. And there will probably be an 80s vibe going on in 2025

thedeadofnight
11-07-2014, 07:15 PM
I'm sure you were all this positive about TFE when it first came out. I'm also sure you all didn't say "just go back to loud guitars again". Lastly, i'm also sure that if Billy made another TFE style album, you'd all complement it.

myosis
11-08-2014, 01:10 AM
when i talk about how i felt in 2005, what the fuck do you think it means

myosis
11-08-2014, 01:12 AM
it's not as much about style than it's about delivery

dreams of glass
11-08-2014, 04:12 AM
80's vibes have always been going on, but nowadays there is a definite focus on replicating or emulating it.

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bye june
11-08-2014, 12:31 PM
The Future Embrace is Billy's best post-2000 album. Really nice guitars and production, lyrics too. It It sounds very sincere and cohesive. The last time his vocals sounded really great.

That's what I think.

T&T
11-08-2014, 01:39 PM
billy solo or sp8. no difference.

lionheart0
11-08-2014, 01:45 PM
billy solo or sp8. no difference.

Pretty much.

krackhead
11-09-2014, 01:12 AM
I was at the NY show at bowry during the same week.... I remember that shit cuz I got in for free from krock radio 92.3

In fact that was the last time I saw bolly corgan live.

and the sweeet swwweet strawberry ass.

bolly got to touch her boobs.

Mals Marola
11-09-2014, 01:46 PM
isn't the main difference between bill solo & sp-whatever by this point just the presence of jeff telling billy not to worry about public opinion between recordings
unless sp=howard being a neccessity for some reason in which case i 'onno