View Full Version : 7 shades of black kicks all kind of ass


Elphenor
10-01-2014, 12:17 AM
Fuck the haters. ZG sucked but shit rocked to a lies burning off your soul level.

The lyrics are probably stupid though, I don't really care

Trotskilicious
10-01-2014, 12:21 AM
no

Elphenor
10-01-2014, 12:23 AM
It's still in the category of music I wouldn't listen to with anyone I know.

But I love it

Gooch
10-01-2014, 12:58 AM
This thread is making me yawn. Sister can't you spell?

Elphenor
10-01-2014, 01:12 AM
I love that line

houseofglass11
10-01-2014, 01:53 AM
I still think Z was a pretty rockin' album. Don't care what Trots or Cool As Vag Cream think.

Elphenor
10-01-2014, 04:11 AM
No it did suck and all but 7 Shades of Black makes me jump around

patj825
10-01-2014, 07:08 AM
Fuck the haters. ZG sucked but shit rocked to a lies burning off your soul level.

The lyrics are probably stupid though, I don't really care
It rocks, indeed.

s0ss
10-01-2014, 08:15 AM
Like a bag of rocks in an ocean.

DaveKShape
10-01-2014, 10:03 AM
I appreciate Bald Bill going for a somewhat unique arrangement and throwing in different types of guitar tones, but the song is still kind of a meandering yawner. Much like the rest of Zeitgeist, Jim's drums shine.

Syrial Carpens
10-01-2014, 11:14 AM
It's really the only song on Z that I listen to anymore, other than "Tarantula" and the song "Zeitgeist." The lyrics don't bother me, except for that whole "fall in hate with me" bullshit. I think it's one of the best post-2005 songs Bill has written.

Order 66
10-01-2014, 11:33 AM
first five or so tracks of zeitgeist were pretty good

Funbags
10-01-2014, 12:02 PM
Roy Thomas Baker sucks.

killtrocity
10-01-2014, 12:14 PM
yeah the production on 7 shades is fuckin horrible and destroys any redeeming qualities in the riffs and aggressiveness

Kahlo
10-01-2014, 12:15 PM
ZG would have made a great EP. Other than that, lets pretend it never happened.

Cool As Ice Cream
10-01-2014, 01:47 PM
Roy Thomas Baker sucks.

i didn't think he had anything to do with 7 shades of black.

F.Delacroix
10-01-2014, 01:52 PM
little known fact:

fuzzyroes
10-01-2014, 06:36 PM
7 shades and Doomsday clock are my 2 of my least favorite tracks on that album. The production/Billys vocals are nearly unlistenable.

You'd think Corgan would give a little effort in his delivery.

Funbags
10-01-2014, 11:15 PM
i didn't think he had anything to do with 7 shades of black.

I mean on Z in general.

dreams of glass
10-03-2014, 01:29 AM
TTW(MLI)>7SOB

Starla
10-04-2014, 05:43 AM
zwan>tfe = ftw

House of Bread
10-06-2014, 08:03 AM
It's still in the category of music I wouldn't listen to with anyone I know.



This is the biggest issue I've had with the later stuff. It immediately becomes embarrassing when played in public.

Ram27
10-06-2014, 03:28 PM
Most non current pop music is, really

slunken
10-06-2014, 03:49 PM
you keep coming up with more and more inane things to say its astonishing

sjpaterra
10-06-2014, 04:08 PM
This is the biggest issue I've had with the later stuff. It immediately becomes embarrassing when played in public.

yeah, a very familiar feeling.

Shame is a pretty embarrassing cringe-worthy tune. Starz is another one. There are many SP tunes like that, in fact. All the la-la la's and shit, Jesus fuck, embarassing. That American gothic EP is pretty fuking lame... Most of teargarden was pretty gay. Especially widow wake my mind. Oceania was also pretty awful and lame. I anticipate more or the same in the way of lame-ass tunes on the next 2 albums. Oh well. I'm HOPING I'm wrong... Gossamer and the March hare and when the cocks crow and superchrist are better...

Elphenor
10-06-2014, 04:12 PM
I would play Shame around my friends. It's a cool song

Shallowed
10-06-2014, 04:13 PM
Shame would be better if it were four minute long

Spira|_
10-07-2014, 04:41 AM
Oh what you made me to remember: March Hare.
What mental fart was that Billy....

dreams of glass
10-09-2014, 01:11 AM
yeah, a very familiar feeling.

Shame is a pretty embarrassing cringe-worthy tune. Starz is another one. There are many SP tunes like that, in fact. All the la-la la's and shit, Jesus fuck, embarassing


You spelled embarrassing wrong. I don't think Starz is a bad song, it's just that the album didn't give it justice. I know that Billy seems to be fond of it, they were still playing it live in 2013.


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Elphenor
10-09-2014, 01:29 AM
I think P+C is the most embarrassing shit ever

Shallowed
10-09-2014, 02:17 AM
I used to think that that AHHHHHHH Bolly chorus intro to Bleeding the Orchid was the worst moment but actually the LALALALALA Bolly chorus intro to P+C is a lot worse.

Mals Marola
10-09-2014, 03:02 AM
he's sha'd and la'd so much from futureembrace (i guess?) onward i'm pretty much impervious to em
i mean, solstice bare's probably my favorite thing from zeitgeist onward and who knows how many shas and las are on that thing

fuzzyroes
10-09-2014, 04:19 AM
I used to think that that AHHHHHHH Bolly chorus intro to Bleeding the Orchid was the worst moment but actually the LALALALALA Bolly chorus intro to P+C is a lot worse.

I think BTO is worse. Pomps meant to be a meditative song, so the vocal choices make more sense.

Pomp is really one of the vastly underrated songs of that era in my opinion. It's a calming, meditative track that you just have to tune into. And once you do it's incredibly enjoyable.

fuzzyroes
10-09-2014, 04:22 AM
In the summer, I'd lie on my back patio with the sun scorching down on me while I practiced breathing exercises while I listened to Pomp and it would help me transcend my normal state of mind. It's some of Corgans best post-reunion work.

It sucks that everyone hated on this track, cause if people liked it we probably wouldn't have got the cookie cutter shit that we did with Oceania.

Elphenor
10-09-2014, 06:17 PM
Pomp is an atrocity

Shallowed
10-09-2014, 09:51 PM
It has one of the better (best, even?) guitar solos of post-reunion SP but the song itself is ruined by the ch0ir, like pretty much every Zeitgeist song. Otherwise it could have been up there with Stellar, which was well loved at the time.

werideatdusk
10-18-2014, 05:01 PM
I just listened to Zeitgeist for the first time in a few years... it's not such a bad album, it was just an underwhelming comeback disc.

The drums are awesome but I think the only thing that really rocks on the level of the old SP's rocking side is "United States". The other songs can bash all they want but there's an edge missing.

I actually was taken aback with how strong the album is from "Bleeding the Orchid" through "Come On Let's Go" (say what you want but I can't help but feel that this is one of the most propulsive post-Machina songs). "7 Shades" has its moments but just feels false, and coming off of Doomsday, which I have to say is one of the low points of SP albums, certainly as far as track 1's go, it's just a limp start to the album.

I've always thought that the Zeitgeist era really culminated in the 2008 twentieth anniversary tour... the expansive, trippy side of "Gossamer", "March Hare", "SuperChrist", "Set the Controls"... it really felt vibrant and authentic and a real marrying of BC and JC's mentalities. It would have been great to hear them make a real experimental proggy album. Instead Billy wanted to make pop, so there you go. "Widow Wake My Mind" and everything else.

I have a hunch that Monuments to an Elegy is gonna bring back a lot of the old fans. WHatever you think about Oceania, the songwriting was much more developed and strong, than ZG and TBK. And expectations are now so low, that if he does pull off a biting, aggressive, hook-filled album with a bit of soul to it, it could almost make this bizarre and trying 7 year experiment worthwhile.

End rant.

Shallowed
10-18-2014, 05:46 PM
When I was into making alternate Zeitgeist tracklists, I always had Tarantula first and That's the Way second. I'm a firm believer that the first track has to grab your attention and set the tone for the album, while the second track can either build on that momentum or take it in a different direction so as to introduce you to different emotional or tonal elements, diversifying the palette as soon as possible. Or in the case of building on track 1's momentum, it can thematically underpin that part of the album, either continuing in that trend or branching out from there into the middle part of the album.

Shallowed
10-18-2014, 05:50 PM
Though what typically ended up happening with my alternate album track lists is that the first song would be a rocker and every song after then would be all lovey dovey songs about love.

F.Delacroix
10-18-2014, 09:33 PM
i recall hearing a live version before the release of the album (i think, anyway), and mishearing the chorus as "(there's) only one shade of black"

thought that was, you know, not bad, pretty cool, slick, etc

turns out it was "cause i want you bad" meh mine was better

Shallowed
10-19-2014, 07:00 PM
Yeah it was. Kind of funny how sometimes misheard lines end up being better than what it actually was.

werideatdusk
10-19-2014, 07:36 PM
I remember hearing "Starz" from the first Paris show and thinking it was really awesome. The produced version is just.... hmph.

Obviously fans are well aware of recorded versions just destroying a good song. The lala's in "The Rose March" and especially "OWATA" demonstrate this. God, I can't even listen to the recorded Owata, and I really liked that song on tour.