View Full Version : LMGTWTY (Adore) to be released tomorrow


amayain
08-10-2014, 09:39 PM
Fucking margins, shitty board

amayain
08-10-2014, 09:40 PM
http://www.smashingpumpkinsnexus.com...2-3F800C6B920E

"After 16 long years the wait is over! Look here tomorrow on The Panopticon for your chance to listen to the world premier of 'Let Me Give The World To You'. And don't forget to visit MadameZuZus.com/music; where they currently have autographed ADORE BOX SETS in stock."

I remember wanting this since I read about it's existence in Rolling Stone around 1999. Never thought I would actually hear it. Crazy stuff.

Shallowed
08-10-2014, 09:42 PM
Getting it out before Arms of Sheep leeks it?

amayain
08-10-2014, 09:52 PM
Getting it out before Arms of Sheep leeks it?

That was my thought too.

Ram27
08-10-2014, 09:56 PM
where they currently

The fuck does he mean they? It's the same fucking thing.

chucklescrotum
08-11-2014, 12:43 AM
come on Arms of Sheep you slacking

killtrocity
08-11-2014, 12:51 AM
Interesting timing, with all of the awesome shit bubbling up lately

Shallowed
08-11-2014, 01:21 AM
It's refreshing that this wasn't an announcement of an announcement, no vague "exciting news to be announced next week" bullshit. Just telling us exactly what it is, and that it's dropping tomorrow, and it's something that's been coveted after by the SP fan community for a long time now.

Thanks Billy.

Funbags
08-11-2014, 02:09 AM
LAST CHANCE TO MAKE BELIEVE

chucklescrotum
08-11-2014, 02:11 AM
It's refreshing that this wasn't an announcement of an announcement, no vague "exciting news to be announced next week" bullshit. Just telling us exactly what it is, and that it's dropping tomorrow, and it's something that's been coveted after by the SP fan community for a long time now.

Thanks Billy.

shut the fuck up.. this post is about our disappointment in ARMS OF SHEEP.

Plus, Billy just realized he could sell more signed box sets this way.

Shallowed
08-11-2014, 02:26 AM
Shut the fuck up.

Spaceboy88
08-11-2014, 09:15 AM
Or maybe Arms of Sheep is a minion of Billy and they've constructed this brilliant viral campaign to strategically leak out songs to the die-hard community in order to drum up more excitement for the reissues.

Or maybe not.

Butt Pope
08-11-2014, 09:42 AM
Tomorrow, eh? Let me do my "Billy time" calculations… OK. I can't wait to hear it around Labor Day.

Butt Pope
08-11-2014, 09:42 AM
That's Labour day for you Brits and Micks.

MonteLDS
08-11-2014, 10:05 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDo7FE4Mm14


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panda show
08-11-2014, 10:11 AM
fuck off monte

Butt Pope
08-11-2014, 10:17 AM
Umm… it's OK. It kind of drags along, tbh. The drum fills sound muted and a bit forced.

It's not bad. It wouldn't have been the top 10 hit it's hyped up to be. Machina II version feels more authentic.

vajohna
08-11-2014, 10:19 AM
Hmm. I like it. But I don't think it'd have been a game-changer for Adore.

This is a different mix from what they actually left off the album, right? Vocals are really high in the mix. Drums are a bit... more than I was expecting. Expected a simpler, more subdued arrangement in line with the rest of Adore. Maybe more James atmospherics. It's nice to have, I guess.

AveryLoren
08-11-2014, 10:20 AM
I kind of figured it would end up sounding like this. A bit over produced for such a simple repetitive song. I agree with those drum fills, they seem very off.

juliana
08-11-2014, 10:21 AM
I love it! It sounds sooooooo good. I was expecting it to be whatever. But it is a real gem.

Funbags
08-11-2014, 10:21 AM
I give it two Funbags up.

Spaceboy88
08-11-2014, 10:22 AM
This incarnation sound like it would've been a better fit on Machina than Adore. Fits really nicely along the lines of "With Every Light," "Try Try Try" and "Age of Innocence."

juliana
08-11-2014, 10:23 AM
ya, it doesn't fit on the album. But in general it doesn't.

panda show
08-11-2014, 10:24 AM
to be honest, after listening to this version, I feel sort of weird. it doesn't sound like I imagined it.. I expected it to sound more like the live '98 version, with more guitars and more rushing drums.. and the outro is definitely not what I expected.. I expected more of a grandiose outro (like in the live version) than the mellow one here, which sounds kind of lame.

oh yeah, and the drum fills during the chorus are definitely out of place. they don't suit the chorus at all..

I think it doesn't live up to the hype that was made around it. sure it could've been a successful single that could've increased the sales of adore, but it's definitely no number 1 hot single.

James
08-11-2014, 10:24 AM
Love it

BurtSampson
08-11-2014, 10:24 AM
It's great from a guitar/vocal standpoint but yeah, this is definitely gonna kill the myth that its inclusion would have saved Adore and it would've been the 1979 of 1998.

Also wtf are those drum fills.

Forgotten Child
08-11-2014, 10:25 AM
It's better than the Machina version, but I still prefer it acoustic (Adore Demos II).

Butt Pope
08-11-2014, 10:27 AM
I kind of figured it would end up sounding like this. A bit over produced for such a simple repetitive song. I agree with those drum fills, they seem very off.

Less is more may have applied here. Just acoustic and strings or something. Like Cherub Rock on Vieuphoria.

Ramdust
08-11-2014, 10:27 AM
Good, but not what I expected.

panda show
08-11-2014, 10:30 AM
I agree it's better than the machina version overall, but I like the live version a lot more.. the guitars are very nice (they always were), although they sound too raw.. some mild distortion/chorus/reverb would have been nice.

vajohna
08-11-2014, 10:30 AM
In a way it's nice to have Billy confound our expectations. Remember when he was good at that?

Butt Pope
08-11-2014, 10:30 AM
On a scale of "Astral Planes" to "Absolutely Groundbreaking!" I'd give it a 7.

juliana
08-11-2014, 10:30 AM
I like the drum fills there, they add an interesting texture and tension to the song.

panda show
08-11-2014, 10:31 AM
I like the drum fills there, they add an interesting texture and tension to the song.they're completely out of place

juliana
08-11-2014, 10:36 AM
they're completely out of place

sometimes things being out of place is interesting, which is what I said.

Greatvegetable
08-11-2014, 10:37 AM
It's caught between a kind of Tom Petty simplicity and the grandiose Disarm type vibe but never delivers fully on either. If I was Billy, I'd have kept this in the vaults after all the hype because it comes no where near to matching it. The MII version is superior.

Forgotten Child
08-11-2014, 10:44 AM
I wonder if this version is exactly like the Rick Rubin final version or if they changed it too much while remastering it. It sounds too clean and the vocals are too loud, it's more like a 2014 mix than a 1998 one, if you know what I mean.

pavementtune
08-11-2014, 10:44 AM
It sounds too clean and the vocals are too loud, it's more like a 2014 mix than a 1998 one, if you know what I mean.
exactly.




It wouldn't have been the top 10 hit it's hyped up to be.

I don't think so either.
This arrangement isn't THAT great, voice/singing is middle field.
World premiere of a b-side, nice, but I like the live version better.

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AveryLoren
08-11-2014, 10:47 AM
I think there's definitely some revisionist history going on in this track.

vajohna
08-11-2014, 10:52 AM
Joey Waronker usually has a softer, more nuanced hand when it comes to tracking drums. See "Perfect," everything else he's ever done.

Cool As Ice Cream
08-11-2014, 10:54 AM
it's more like a 2014 mix than a 1998 one

that's what i was thinking too.

juliana
08-11-2014, 10:56 AM
My only criticism is the vocals. They sound manipulated.

Also, I thought it was a 2014 mix. There were so many.

Butt Pope
08-11-2014, 10:57 AM
I wonder if this version is exactly like the Rick Rubin final version or if they changed it too much while remastering it. It sounds too clean and the vocals are too loud, it's more like a 2014 mix than a 1998 one, if you know what I mean.

http://i.imgur.com/1nTQ0Ho.gif

whywontyoulistn
08-11-2014, 10:59 AM
Everything sounds awkwardly bolted on instead of being part of the song.

alberto
08-11-2014, 11:01 AM
:)

Implosion
08-11-2014, 11:02 AM
I can't believe Billy let Mike Byrne play on this!

panda show
08-11-2014, 11:02 AM
This arrangement isn't THAT great, voice/singing is middle field.
World premiere of a b-side, nice, but I like the live version better.

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/Sh1eafLGr_0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>yeah, I like that live version better too.. I especially love the part from 4:08 onwards, this new version sounds nothing like that.

juliana
08-11-2014, 11:05 AM
I can't believe Billy let Mike Byrne play on this!

Lol I thought this. Then I thought people should see the way mike played was instructed by billy.

Ram27
08-11-2014, 11:09 AM
they're completely out of place

Yep. Sort of Mike Burnsian. They kind of interrupt the flow and groove of the song. Don't say that's interesting. It's not.

magikarp99
08-11-2014, 11:13 AM
I wonder if this version is exactly like the Rick Rubin final version or if they changed it too much while remastering it. It sounds too clean and the vocals are too loud, it's more like a 2014 mix than a 1998 one, if you know what I mean.

They definitely weren't brickwalling it like this in 1998.

http://i.imgur.com/CvEFVP9.png

Ram27
08-11-2014, 11:15 AM
I had to have the volume on my computer at like 3. Mixed way too loud.

Was it too hard to just straight up release it like it was in 98? Really?

qlitchford
08-11-2014, 11:18 AM
Well that was completely fucking underwhelming, especially given the mystical hype over the last decade. Billy's voice was way too loud and prominent in the mix and I agree on the opinions about the drumming, as well.

Venom
08-11-2014, 11:19 AM
They definitely weren't brickwalling it like this in 1998.

http://i.imgur.com/CvEFVP9.png

Well... ever hear Californication? Sure, it was released in 1999 but close damn enough. Everything Rubin touches is pretty brickwalled.

milk-plus
08-11-2014, 11:21 AM
Damn, that's brickwalled to death. My ears hurt just from seeing the image.

toase
08-11-2014, 11:22 AM
Those strings are :erm:

pavementtune
08-11-2014, 11:26 AM
yea well, we still have the live version, so... I never understood the hype about the "magic" Rubin track (or this song in general.)

Not sure if it was a good idea to advertise the Adore reissue with this one.
Is anybody thinking "hell yea, gotta buy that boxset" after hearing this?

Syrial Carpens
08-11-2014, 11:29 AM
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paranoid
08-11-2014, 11:30 AM
I get the same feeling from this that I got when I first heard some of the other recorded versions of songs from the adore era. To Sheila for example, I remember thinking 'why did they record it this way?'.. But now it's one of my all time favorites. It sounds like an adore era track for sure.

Forgotten Child
08-11-2014, 11:31 AM
I think this is a catchy song for the general/casual fan, so I understand why they are using it.

Venom
08-11-2014, 11:32 AM
Meh, the acoustic demo sounds better to me than this. Total letdown in my opinion (which was expected actually).

killtrocity
08-11-2014, 11:35 AM
This doesn't bode well for the adore "remasters". Why the fuck is this >90% clipped?

Woody
08-11-2014, 11:38 AM
I like it.

But it's not what I was expecting at all. I feel like there's a version inbetween this and the M2 version that's definitive. They never quite nailed this one in the studio - at least we have that live version.

Hopefully when Machina gets scrubbed-up for reissue they'll improve the mix/master of the M2 one.

Still, this was interesting though for sure, and cool of them to just drop it rather than hyping up.

This version definitely wouldn't have fit on Adore. I dig the fills and strings, though.

I think the problem with the song overall is that it has an incredible first verse and chorus, up there with the classics. But then it repeats itself and the bridge is ok, but it doesn't have any momentum. The last 30 seconds are definitely problematic. Less so on the Machina version but there are elements of both I like. Overall: cool, cool.

magikarp99
08-11-2014, 11:41 AM
Well... ever hear Californication? Sure, it was released in 1999 but close damn enough. Everything Rubin touches is pretty brickwalled.

Well... ever hear Adore? That wasn't brickwalled like this.

Venom
08-11-2014, 11:46 AM
Adore wasn't produced by Rubin. This was.

davin
08-11-2014, 11:50 AM
This doesn't bode well for the adore "remasters". Why the fuck is this >90% clipped?

yes, this definitely seems to have been bastardized by the 2014 mixing porocess...tainted by revisionist history (love that phrasing AveryLoren)....mixed to SOUND LOUD AT ANY VOLUME :rockon: etc....which is quite disappointing.


i'm not too worried about the other adore reissue tracks tho. i think with all the fan expectations around this track, BC just got into his own head too much as usual, and fucked with the track too much...like every other time there's massive expectations at stake. see: machina & zeitgeist :dammit: i mean, shit...just the fact that he used it on what is effectively a commercial for the new reissue proves that.



guess we'll have to keep trying to get mike garson to leak the actual actual actual demo. *sigh*

davin
08-11-2014, 11:52 AM
also....this.....

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Spaceboy88
08-11-2014, 11:54 AM
Perhaps judging the clipping off of a YouTube rip is a bit premature. I'm holding onto hope that the actual release is properly mastered and normalized.

Woody
08-11-2014, 11:56 AM
So... "release the adore version of 'let me give the world to you', Billy" becomes...

"release the M2 version of 'let me give the world to you' sans white noise, Billy".

Venom
08-11-2014, 11:56 AM
Perhaps judging the clipping off of a YouTube rip is a bit premature. I'm holding onto hope that the actual release is properly mastered and normalized.

Pretty sure it's warranted. And I HIGHLY doubt it's properly mastered.

Woody
08-11-2014, 11:57 AM
Has anyone compared the full version to the short audio excerpt on that video clip that leaked years ago?

melonhead87
08-11-2014, 11:58 AM
to be honest, after listening to this version, I feel sort of weird. it doesn't sound like I imagined it.. I expected it to sound more like the live '98 version, with more guitars and more rushing drums.. and the outro is definitely not what I expected.. I expected more of a grandiose outro (like in the live version) than the mellow one here, which sounds kind of lame.

oh yeah, and the drum fills during the chorus are definitely out of place. they don't suit the chorus at all..

I think it doesn't live up to the hype that was made around it. sure it could've been a successful single that could've increased the sales of adore, but it's definitely no number 1 hot single.

Im glad Im not the only one that thought the drum fills during the chorus were out of place. At first I thought it was me being picky. Way too slow plodding along, especially the outro. Also didnt like how he immediately starts singing the next verse after the chorus, almost same breath.

GLOWer
08-11-2014, 11:58 AM
rubin is famous for privileging the vocals in a mix over everything else and brick walling. that doesn't mean that it wasn't tampered with in 2014, but this could be authentically 98.

i much prefer the machina 2 cut.

aeroplume
08-11-2014, 12:01 PM
all this talk about brick walling is great. i mean adore is the 6th reissue and for some reason everyone thinks it wont be brick walled. yet it will be just like the other 5. its 2014, it is what it is.

LMGTWTY is pretty cool. at least it actually came out

paranoid
08-11-2014, 12:03 PM
This is beautiful and would have been just fine on adore. Remove Annie dog or any of the other so so songs and put this in its place.

Also once in a whole deserved more than bside status

davin
08-11-2014, 12:04 PM
Has anyone compared the full version to the short audio excerpt on that video clip that leaked years ago?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QC2fVhVrGZA&feature=youtu.be&t=3m25s

sounds the same; loud vocals and all. :think:

bye june
08-11-2014, 12:05 PM
I thought the Pisces bonus disc was the only thing fucked up so far.

aeroplume
08-11-2014, 12:06 PM
Has anyone compared the full version to the short audio excerpt on that video clip that leaked years ago?

the sound was coming out of a pair of headphones, literally, and it was filmed. the audio wasnt exactly great. ok, this is what i want you to do. you ready?

ok. record the audio from your headphones from 5 feet away. then compare it with the digital file and see how it matches up.

let us know.

Forgotten Child
08-11-2014, 12:10 PM
Any chance of a leaking of the original one so we could compare the both of them? :P

Zerospaced
08-11-2014, 12:11 PM
This is one of my favorite SP songs, so it's great to finally hear it. It sounds fantastic IMO.

themadcaplaughs
08-11-2014, 12:12 PM
Much like the performance of "Towers of Rabble" that was included with the Mellon Collie re issue, I am glad to have it and it is a fun little curio. Other than that, years of hype has destroyed any chance of listening to this with fair ears.

amoergosum
08-11-2014, 12:17 PM
It's a shame that they brickwalled it >>> DR5

workingdogv1
08-11-2014, 12:21 PM
I agree with Woody in that this song just never got nailed down definitively in the studio for one reason or another. After a couple of listens this version is growing on me (the drum fills became less annoying after a few plays), though that outro... :erm:

Never thought it was the greatest Pumpkins song in the first place, but it's cool to hear this and I appreciate the impromptu drop. More than anything, this solidifies my belief that it really did belong on Machina more than Adore.

panda show
08-11-2014, 12:23 PM
even if I ignore the fact that it's brickwalled, I just can't quite begin to like this version, mostly because of the outro..

Ram27
08-11-2014, 12:28 PM
Much like the performance of "Towers of Rabble" that was included with the Mellon Collie re issue, I am glad to have it and it is a fun little curio. Other than that, years of hype has destroyed any chance of listening to this with fair ears.

Why were people hyping up Towers of Rabble? Hasn't the Double Door recording been out for a while? Or was everyone hoping for a studio version.

I agree with Woody in that this song just never got nailed down definitively in the studio for one reason or another. After a couple of listens this version is growing on me (the drum fills became less annoying after a few plays), though that outro... :erm:

The very first fill pisses me off, at 42 where he randomly hits a tom. Are we totally sure Mike Burns didn't rerecord this?

panda show
08-11-2014, 12:33 PM
did anyone else notice "world PREMIER" in the picture
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monty, was that you?

chucklescrotum
08-11-2014, 12:34 PM
Looks like the real, original 1999 version will stay stuck in the vaults forever...

unless ARMS OF SHEEP decides to leak it.

amoergosum
08-11-2014, 12:43 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="de"><p>Let Me Give The World To You, the Adore version, is finally out (and up) on <a href="http://t.co/0RzcwgBXWM">http://t.co/0RzcwgBXWM</a> //I'd be lying if I said I wasn't proud</p>&mdash; Billy Corgan (@Billy) <a href="https://twitter.com/Billy/statuses/498833624020811778">11. August 2014</a></blockquote>
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Ram27
08-11-2014, 12:45 PM
Even the live version just kind of drones on. It doesn't need to be 7 minutes long.

let me give the world to you
let me give the world to you
let me give the world to you
let me give the world to you
let me give the world to you

zbeast78
08-11-2014, 01:07 PM
yeah billy should have kept this in the vault forever, so ppl would keep clinging to that fable about how this was "the miracle that could have saved Adore and the pumpkins fortunes forever". if this song had ever been a sure fire hit, it would have been on the album. billy knew that then, but has been convinced by kiss up corganites over the years that he was wrong.

its pretty much exactly what i thought it would be all along, a pretty solid adore b-side. i've only spun it once, but i'll go ahead and say it's at least better than the m2 version.

Ram27
08-11-2014, 01:25 PM
Oh, no.

M2 version is tons better. Better mixing, Jimmy drumming.

toase
08-11-2014, 01:39 PM
Oh, no.

M2 version is tons better. Better mixing, Jimmy drumming.

Agreed

paranoid
08-11-2014, 01:40 PM
Why were people hyping up Towers of Rabble? Hasn't the Double Door recording been out for a while? Or was everyone hoping for a studio version.


The very first fill pisses me off, at 42 where he randomly hits a tom. Are we totally sure Mike Burns didn't rerecord this?

Yes, because as far as the rest of the song is concerned, the drumming is pretty damn gorgeous.

amoergosum
08-11-2014, 01:42 PM
M2 version is tons better. Better mixing, Jimmy drumming.

There's no doubt about it.

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Kahlo
08-11-2014, 01:47 PM
guess we'll have to keep trying to get mike garson to leak the actual actual actual demo. *sigh*

he doesn't have it...and for those of you moaning about it being brickwalled. Fucking shut up. It's free and you still drone on like a bunch of cunts.

zbeast78
08-11-2014, 01:48 PM
There's no doubt about it.

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just cuz jimmy's drumming doesn't change the fact that this is a boring meh recording. i agree with the person who said earlier that the pumpkins simply never got this one right in the studio.

juliana
08-11-2014, 01:50 PM
he doesn't have it...and for those of you moaning about it being brickwalled. Fucking shut up. It's free and you still drone on like a bunch of cunts.

^

T&T
08-11-2014, 02:01 PM
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no, I wouldn't change a thing.

Butt Pope
08-11-2014, 02:03 PM
At least the Machina ii version feels like it's going someplace. Listening to the new one is like pushing a Volkswagon up a hill. The chorus drum fills contribute very much to this.

Too bad Rick Rubin didn't pitch "Beverly Hills" to SP before Weezer.

slunken
08-11-2014, 02:05 PM
Perhaps judging the clipping off of a YouTube rip is a bit premature. I'm holding onto hope that the actual release is properly mastered and normalized.

That's what I was thinking. I'm sure it's a bit of both though.

chucklescrotum
08-11-2014, 02:13 PM
This version of LMGTWTY is complete shit.

Bring on more quality leaks ARMS OF SHEEP!

Woody
08-11-2014, 02:39 PM
The string part is really nice, I think the ending needed the strings to do more instead of the repeated title.

It's really growing on me though. Considering how much bitching and moaning I do on here, I'm happy to say I'm very pleased with this. I was expecting something Saturnine-esque with electronic noodling and a clunky beat.

panda show
08-11-2014, 02:40 PM
instrumentally, the live version is far superior to any other version.. they were never really able to get it right in the studio.. but the live version, with 2 great sounding guitars, kenny aronoff, all those percussionists and a keyboardist, sounds perfect instrumentally.

s0ss
08-11-2014, 02:44 PM
Hold on a second- this sounds like a demo.

How can this be a final studio recording of a song?

paranoid
08-11-2014, 03:00 PM
This whole 'didn't quite get it right in the studio' thing.. Couldn't that be said about most of the songs on adore? I always saw that record as a collection of captured snap shots if those songs for the time, but they could have been completely different songs if recorded a couple years later. Or even a couple of months for that matter

paranoid
08-11-2014, 03:06 PM
Also, I think this recording is the closest example we might have as to how adore may have sounded if jimmy stayed in the band

BurtSampson
08-11-2014, 03:13 PM
Also, I think this recording is the closest example we might have as to how adore may have sounded if jimmy stayed in the band

except Jimmy could do a drum fill

Syrial Carpens
08-11-2014, 03:13 PM
The MII version sounds lifeless.

This version sounds...not quite as lifeless, but almost.

panda show
08-11-2014, 03:19 PM
This whole 'didn't quite get it right in the studio' thing.. Couldn't that be said about most of the songs on adore? I always saw that record as a collection of captured snap shots if those songs for the time, but they could have been completely different songs if recorded a couple years later. Or even a couple of months for that matterah, I don't know.. it's really a tough thing to think about in the first place.. I kind of doubt that Jimmy's presence would have changed the sound of adore and the musical approach they used.. even during many MCIS-era interviews, they (and jimmy too) were saying how they like the idea of experimenting with beats/samples and electronic stuff and they see themselves going in that direction for the next album..

paranoid
08-11-2014, 03:23 PM
ah, I don't know.. it's really a tough thing to think about in the first place.. I kind of doubt that Jimmy's presence would have changed the sound of adore and the musical approach they used.. even during many MCIS-era interviews, they (and jimmy too) were saying how they like the idea of experimenting with beats/samples and electronic stuff and they see themselves going in that direction for the next album..

Right, but who knows what would have happened. I just remember listening to the live boots a lot that summer and dreaming of a version that had some of the arrangements they were doing during the shows. Adore felt like it was ongoing and still being written, even after release. The version of to Sheila they were playing in the early 2000 tour was pretty close to perfect, IMO. I love the version on adore, but I'd also love to hear it recorded that way. Same kind of thing could be said about a lot of the other songs on adore.

workingdogv1
08-11-2014, 03:25 PM
This whole 'didn't quite get it right in the studio' thing.. Couldn't that be said about most of the songs on adore? I always saw that record as a collection of captured snap shots if those songs for the time, but they could have been completely different songs if recorded a couple years later. Or even a couple of months for that matter

Ehhh sort of, I meant that, while arrangements would change, the songs on Adore sound like fully-fleshed-out compositions while LMGTWTY always felt like it was missing something essential that might have been worked out in the studio had it been given the full shake it deserved.

It's hard to explain, but I think the outro on this version as compared to the M2 version is the clearest indication. It seems like some key elements still needed to be refined and it might not have happened because this was never a marquee song on either album.

Ram27
08-11-2014, 03:28 PM
I was expecting something Saturnine-esque with electronic noodling and a clunky beat.

Definitely. It sounds like a Teargarden era LMGTWTY versus an Adore era LMGTWTY.

Venom
08-11-2014, 03:34 PM
I thought the Pisces bonus disc was the only thing fucked up so far.

Gish and SD were decently remastered with a little clipping here and there. The main two MCIS discs came out pretty decently as well but the bonus discs were fucked. I won't be surprised if the Adore remaster is decent but the bonus material is bricked to fuck.

Ram27
08-11-2014, 03:36 PM
Why is it coming out in mono and stereo? What's the point?

http://celebsnetworth.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/karl-pilkington-net-worth.jpg

Venom
08-11-2014, 03:38 PM
Because the mono mix already exists so why not?

jimmy drevpile
08-11-2014, 03:51 PM
So much disappoint and WTF is with the drums.

redbull
08-11-2014, 04:07 PM
drums are off, everything else is excellent. this would work terrifically if they took the kit off and threw a timpani on it ala disarm.

i prefer the M2 version still

redbull
08-11-2014, 04:09 PM
this is whats up, should be included on the reissues
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Ram27
08-11-2014, 04:21 PM
this is whats up, should be included on the reissues
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Dat D'arcy.

I hope the live tracks on the reissue are high quality enough to actually hear the other two percussionists.

slunken
08-11-2014, 04:21 PM
This whole 'didn't quite get it right in the studio' thing.. Couldn't that be said about most of the songs on adore? I always saw that record as a collection of captured snap shots if those songs for the time, but they could have been completely different songs if recorded a couple years later. Or even a couple of months for that matter

100% agree. For everyone saying that the live version is better - wasn't that true for all the Adore songs? In that Beyond Mellon Collie VHS magikarp recently uploaded it becomes quite clear that BC was without a solid vision in the studio, for the most part.

After a cursory listen from a phone's speaker and then a couple more hours later through a decent set of headphones, I really like this version and it's a nice accent with all of the others. Don't have a problem with the drumming at all. It's not Jimmy but it clearly sounds like some electronic drums with someone playing live over top. Probably more so than any Adore track i can think of. I wish the galloping drums and the strings weren't quite so buried.

Was looking again over the Deluxe tracklisting and I'm extremely excited to hear more early demos and alt versions etc.

Anyone know offhand who was playing drums on this?

slunken
08-11-2014, 04:22 PM
Dat D'arcy.

I hope the live tracks on the reissue are high quality enough to actually hear the other two percussionists.

You really are an idiot.

slunken
08-11-2014, 04:23 PM
Guys like Ram27 are the reason brickwalled audio even exists.

Ram27
08-11-2014, 04:23 PM
hey thanks

vajohna
08-11-2014, 04:26 PM
Anyone know offhand who was playing drums on this?

Joey Waronker. Who is kind of a genius. Usually. In true Pumpkins fashion, his touch, amazing ability, technique, and proficiency are buried under all of the percussive mess of "Perfect."

slunken
08-11-2014, 04:31 PM
Joey Waronker. Who is kind of a genius. Usually. In true Pumpkins fashion, his touch, amazing ability, technique, and proficiency are buried under all of the percussive mess of "Perfect."

I didn't think it was M.Cameron or even M.Walker. So that would have only left Joey.

That first fill that sticks out like a sore thumb to some people is misleading because it's acting as a pick-up beat. If you listen to the rest of the song I think the fills are great and fast and sound like regular fills.

The song's tempo is being dictated electronically so I'm sure it was difficult to get the live drums timing just right, especially during the fills, which is why the fills sound so restrained later on. Some drummers will accent the fill as a new measures beginning but here the drum fills are muted and a pickup beat is the most accented.

I don't know a whoooole lot about drumming (obviously) but anyone who says the drums are "wrong" on this track is a total moron.

slunken
08-11-2014, 04:33 PM
I'll admit that it first jumped out at me when listening over a phones speaker, but once I got home and put on headphones, the seperation of the two drum tracks was obvious and it all made total sense. I didn't even question it a 2nd time.

themadcaplaughs
08-11-2014, 04:36 PM
Why were people hyping up Towers of Rabble? Hasn't the Double Door recording been out for a while? Or was everyone hoping for a studio version.


The very first fill pisses me off, at 42 where he randomly hits a tom. Are we totally sure Mike Burns didn't rerecord this?

Yes, I think for a while Billy led people to believe there was a rough demo recording of "Towers of Rabble" he was looking at including in the reissues. He either mentioned it on Twitter or when he was still on Facebook in 2010.

So we did get a more clean version of the live recording though.

GLOWer
08-11-2014, 04:38 PM
the drums aren't wrong. they just don't do a whole lot to help sustain the momentum.

vajohna
08-11-2014, 04:39 PM
They are playing, almost ridiculously, to a click track. To the point that the song seems kind of pasted together. Rubin should've gone more with letting the band play, as they do in the live versions.

Waronker has been Beck's drummer for forever now and his playing on this LMGTWTY is very reminiscent of his work on Sea Change. Here's him letting loose on PBS.

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redbull
08-11-2014, 04:39 PM
i thought the towers of rabble demo was supposedly thrown out along with the gospel version of jupiter's lament because BC didnt like it

slunken
08-11-2014, 04:40 PM
The more I listen to it, the more the buried keyboard is starting to sound like a quiet harmonica.

slunken
08-11-2014, 04:41 PM
i thought the towers of rabble demo was supposedly thrown out along with the gospel version of jupiter's lament because BC didnt like it

They included the gospel version of jupiter's lament. But yea the big baby said that Towers wasn't good enough to release.

slunken
08-11-2014, 04:41 PM
The more I listen to it, the more the buried keyboard is starting to sound like a quiet harmonica.

Haha. Awesome. :smoke:

GLOWer
08-11-2014, 04:43 PM
as great as it is having this, it just doesn't sound finished in this incarnation. Billy was right to hold off and finish it properly for Machina 2.

killtrocity
08-11-2014, 04:44 PM
ah, I don't know.. it's really a tough thing to think about in the first place.. I kind of doubt that Jimmy's presence would have changed the sound of adore and the musical approach they used.. even during many MCIS-era interviews, they (and jimmy too) were saying how they like the idea of experimenting with beats/samples and electronic stuff and they see themselves going in that direction for the next album..

Compare TITBITER to anything from Adore, that's the difference between electronic + Jimmy and electronic - Jimmy. His absence fundamentally shaped Adore, as much as his presence shaped Machina

T&T
08-11-2014, 04:44 PM
in 1998 incorporating electronic music with live band recordings always forced drummers to follow the click track. This awkward juxtoposition always made it difficult to use both. today with beat mapping you can easily add electronic drums to a live drum take (free of click track).

redbull
08-11-2014, 04:44 PM
Matt plays on TEITBITE not JC

Shallowed
08-11-2014, 04:46 PM
I wonder if this version is exactly like the Rick Rubin final version or if they changed it too much while remastering it. It sounds too clean and the vocals are too loud, it's more like a 2014 mix than a 1998 one, if you know what I mean.

Everything sounds awkwardly bolted on instead of being part of the song.

I think there's definitely some revisionist history going on in this track.

M2 version is tons better. Better mixing, Jimmy drumming.

Hold on a second- this sounds like a demo.

How can this be a final studio recording of a song?

It sounds like a Teargarden era LMGTWTY versus an Adore era LMGTWTY.

Agree with all of these comments, I was thinking all of this as I listened. It sounds unfinished and not properly mixed. I'm pretty underwhelmed, I can't believe that they grinded in he studio for this.

But I appreciate that something was dropped out of nowhere like this.

houseofglass11
08-11-2014, 05:03 PM
I like the vocals and guitars better on this version. With better drumming it would have been a hit single of 1979 proportions. I like the rawness of this version compared to the overproduced sound on Adore. I wish the whole album sounded more like this.

juliana
08-11-2014, 05:19 PM
I like the vocals and guitars better on this version. With better drumming it would have been a hit single of 1979 proportions. I like the rawness of this version compared to the overproduced sound on Adore. I wish the whole album sounded more like this.

Lol what? Sorry what versions are you talking about?

juliana
08-11-2014, 05:23 PM
What about the 2007 version:

I think it is good
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hrmT9pWqfwg

paranoid
08-11-2014, 05:24 PM
Uh guys I'm pretty sure this song only has 1 drum track and it's live acoustic drums. That plodding beat you hear in the beginning is not electronic.. Waronker is playing a pretty straight forward Tom Tom groove, sort of reminiscent of SIYL but with less flare.

slunken
08-11-2014, 05:29 PM
Uh guys I'm pretty sure this song only has 1 drum track and it's live acoustic drums. That plodding beat you hear in the beginning is not electronic.. War inker is playing a pretty straight forward Tom Tom groove, sort of reminiscent of SIYL but with less flare.

i swear i can hear some rhythmic bubbling thing creeping through here and there but i mentioned above i don't know jack about drumming.

Grox
08-11-2014, 05:32 PM
wtf is TITBITER

T&T
08-11-2014, 05:37 PM
wtf is TITBITER
batman song.

s0ss
08-11-2014, 05:42 PM
Uh guys I'm pretty sure this song only has 1 drum track and it's live acoustic drums. That plodding beat you hear in the beginning is not electronic.. Waronker is playing a pretty straight forward Tom Tom groove, sort of reminiscent of SIYL but with less flare.

Ya- the mix is just shit and you can barely hear the toms.

paranoid
08-11-2014, 05:42 PM
i swear i can hear some rhythmic bubbling thing creeping through here and there but i mentioned above i don't know jack about drumming.

You do hear that, but it's all live drumming. Joey's pretty great and solid and this track shows that.

I love the subdued ending, btw. Underwhelming if compared to SPs other epic build ups, but this ending is pretty characteristic of adores sound and production. I remember feeling underwhelmed in that same way when I first heard adore. Crestfallen is probably the best example of a song lacking the grand dynamics that made the pumpkins great. But again with time I've learned to appreciate the different approach with adore.

houseofglass11
08-11-2014, 05:43 PM
Lol what? Sorry what versions are you talking about?

I think Adore is overproduced. There's too much going on in a lot of the songs.

s0ss
08-11-2014, 05:45 PM
What about the 2007 version:

I think it is good
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hrmT9pWqfwg

Good joke.

wounded
08-11-2014, 06:10 PM
I like it. It's nice. his voice sounds really good to me.

Forgotten Child
08-11-2014, 06:23 PM
I think Adore is overproduced. There's too much going on in a lot of the songs.

:erm:

juliana
08-11-2014, 06:37 PM
I think Adore is overproduced. There's too much going on in a lot of the songs.

#facepalm

vbshlofbvgos
08-11-2014, 07:35 PM
I think that I would have loved this had it been on Adore. Listening to it now, I'm definitely a little underwhelmed. Perhaps it will grow on me in time. I can see now why he left it off the album though.

juliana
08-11-2014, 07:54 PM
It doesn't fit with the album at all.

Syrial Carpens
08-11-2014, 07:57 PM
I like it a lot more the second time around.

paranoid is the only person in this thread who knows what they're talking about

juliana
08-11-2014, 08:21 PM
The cause of robin williams' death.

Elphenor
08-11-2014, 08:24 PM
I like it. Probably more than the M2 version

I didn't expect to be like the greatest thing ever though

Muzz1e
08-11-2014, 10:49 PM
I've been waiting for this for so long. There has just been so much hype and build up for this recording. I like it a lot, but I would be lying if I said I wasn't a little bit disappointed.

Should it have been on Adore? Probably.

Would it have been a number one hit? I doubt it.

My biggest beef is the end... Wish the strings or something would have came up in the mix. This version doesn't really climax the way it feels like it should.

Granted, there has been all this hype... Maybe the recording would have struck me much differently without said hype?

Still so happy to finally hear it. I do like it.

Whicker
08-11-2014, 11:08 PM
The cause of robin williams' death.

too soon...

redbull
08-11-2014, 11:10 PM
JUMANJI

Bread Regal
08-11-2014, 11:25 PM
this is pretty alright. doesn't justify the hype though.

and yeah, why the hell is it clipping like crazy. also, did he just plug an ovation directly into the soundboard, because that's what it sounds like. awful.

aeroplume
08-12-2014, 12:01 AM
why the hell is it clipping like crazy

because its 2014.

Reyngel
08-12-2014, 12:30 AM
I'm definitely a love-everything-about-Adore guy, but this track was a bit disappointing. Not because of hype yielding an underwhelming end, but because the track just isn't very good.

-The sloppy drum fills are messy, random, unnecessary, and completely out of place from anything else of the Adore era

-The track feels like it should be building up to a climax, but it just sort of ends all of a sudden, like there wasn't an idea from anyone in the studio about where to go with it

-It ultimately sounds like a polished demo

Those three things given, there's no way it fits on Adore. And if what we're hearing now is what they were listening to in the studio before deciding what did and didn't fit on Adore, it's pretty clear that Let Me Give the World to You had absolutely no place on the album. It was awesome to hear something from my favorite era, though. I'm still looking forward to the box set.

Reyngel
08-12-2014, 12:37 AM
Also, it's still unthinkable how bad has singing is now compared to then. It sounds like he layed down the Let Me Give the World to You vocals in five minutes... maybe just a place-holder until a more rehearsed take that never materialized. And yet, it sounds pretty good. Raw, but good.

Compare that to his soft singing in 2014. His current-day dropped consonants and terribly-executed vibrato and failed lounge-singer idiosyncrasies are such a mess. I don't see why he can't just sing simple again, like on this track.

Order 66
08-12-2014, 12:50 AM
i don't know what the "official" track was before this, but the spacey acoustic track (assuming that was it) sounded a lot better

redbull
08-12-2014, 01:28 AM
it was the M2 version

mellon_c0llie
08-12-2014, 02:38 AM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bu0X1YqIgAAXpWo.jpg

cardiac
08-12-2014, 03:53 AM
The cause of robin williams' death.

Another classic Netphoria moment. Thumbs up.

fuzzyroes
08-12-2014, 05:31 AM
It's fantastic to finally hear this.

Lmgtwty has always been one of my favorite Pumpkins songs so I've been eagerly awaiting this one. It sounds pretty nice and good but I think I prefer the M2 version. This version sounds more emotional and strikes a greater nerve, but the M2 version has such a great atmospheric vibe. Billy really nailed the guitar work for the M2 version.

You know, it's too bad he couldn't find a middle ground between this and the M2 version. Either way, it's a great take- But you can kind of hear why he built upon this for M2... But the M2 version lacks some of the charm that this one has.

The only really weak parts of this new track are the drums (it seriously does sound like a new Byrne remix or something) and that outro... It's such a prolific song in my mind and then the outro just has Billy repeating the same line over and over again without any new dynamics or melodies introduced. Just comes across as kind of lazy (for lack of a better term)... And you can hear on M2 how he wrote a MUCH better outro for this song.

I still can't believe this wasn't included on Adore though. Would have been way better than apples and oranges, annie dog, or tales of dusty and pistol pete

fuzzyroes
08-12-2014, 05:32 AM
Another classic Netphoria moment. Thumbs up.

Sure Cardiac, it was this beautiful take of LMGTWTY that caused Robin Williams death... ha....ha...ha...

Classic Netphoria moment tis not....

Lucky Day Spa
08-12-2014, 08:20 AM
underarranged – no doubt this would've had much more going on had they kept working on it for adore. i was expecting a fully-wrought recording, given the public statements about it over the years.

other observations: the drums change dynamic gears quite awkwardly, the vocal production is great but it's not a particularly passionate performance, guitar sounds like a guide track, synth strings stick out like a sore thumb.

nevertheless it's nice to finally hear it. not what i was expecting but it's pretty cool regardless. makes me want to go listen to adore

Funbags
08-12-2014, 08:42 AM
Also, it's still unthinkable how bad has singing is now compared to then. It sounds like he layed down the Let Me Give the World to You vocals in five minutes... maybe just a place-holder until a more rehearsed take that never materialized. And yet, it sounds pretty good. Raw, but good.

Compare that to his soft singing in 2014. His current-day dropped consonants and terribly-executed vibrato and failed lounge-singer idiosyncrasies are such a mess. I don't see why he can't just sing simple again, like on this track.

The vocal performance on this version of LMGTWTY is pretty darn great.

Spaceboy88
08-12-2014, 09:05 AM
-It ultimately sounds like a polished demo


^

T&T
08-12-2014, 09:17 AM
they tracked this in 1 day?
:shrug: I don't kno why people be fussing.

Barry swedgin
08-12-2014, 09:24 AM
I really like it but would agree with a lot of the comments.

I think I was expecting (hoping) for a song in a similar vein to Saturnine and Blissed & Gone, from the era. Maybes Billy'll dumbfound us and produce another, more electronic, version for the Box!

tweedyburd
08-12-2014, 09:39 AM
Also, it's still unthinkable how bad has singing is now compared to then. It sounds like he layed down the Let Me Give the World to You vocals in five minutes... maybe just a place-holder until a more rehearsed take that never materialized. And yet, it sounds pretty good. Raw, but good.

Compare that to his soft singing in 2014. His current-day dropped consonants and terribly-executed vibrato and failed lounge-singer idiosyncrasies are such a mess. I don't see why he can't just sing simple again, like on this track.

This.

Can't believe how blah sounding this turned out to be. Probably like a lot of people I expected something more drawn out and epic sounding, especially with the beginning and build-up, ala the few full-band live performances we have from that era. This sounds like a demo, nothing more. Why did Rick Rubin need to be called in to produce this?

Cool to hear and a really great vocal take, but damn...

topleybird
08-12-2014, 10:16 AM
I'm definitely a love-everything-about-Adore guy, but this track was a bit disappointing. Not because of hype yielding an underwhelming end, but because the track just isn't very good.

[. . .]

-It ultimately sounds like a polished demo



Yeah this is where I've landed. Love the song, not really loving this version of it, and it just doesn't feel finished. I'd built it up in my head as this perfectly produced pop masterpiece but the track sounds like it just wasn't as far along in the process as we'd thought before they decided it wasn't going to fit on the album and stopped working on it.

It's not terrible; I'm sure I'll listen to it a bunch more once the full box set is out. I think I'm just pissed that it sounds a lot closer to a definitive recording than the M2 version (for me anyway) but just isn't quite there.

Cool As Ice Cream
08-12-2014, 10:48 AM
is there an effect on the vocals?

zbeast78
08-12-2014, 12:37 PM
I'd built it up in my head as this perfectly produced pop masterpiece but the track sounds like it just wasn't as far along in the process as we'd thought before they decided it wasn't going to fit on the album and stopped working on it.

these long lost songs never live up to their own hype in the end. like when courtney love kept hyping up You Know You're Right as some long lost nirvana masterpiece. then it came out and was alright thats it.

Slurpee
08-12-2014, 12:42 PM
Has it been confirmed anywhere that Waronker played the drums on this?

bye june
08-12-2014, 12:45 PM
After hearing the Machina version and now the Adore version it definitely sounds like it belongs more to the Machina era. Initially, after hearing the various live versions and demos, I didn't like it, nor did I understand the hype around it. Now I think I like the Machina version better.

bye june
08-12-2014, 12:46 PM
these long lost songs never live up to their own hype in the end. like when courtney love kept hyping up You Know You're Right as some long lost nirvana masterpiece. then it came out and was alright thats it.

I think that song is pretty awesome and it's one of my faves.

paranoid
08-12-2014, 02:01 PM
There is mtv footage from 1998 of waronker recording this song. There was an RS article around the same time that mentioned him. You can hear it's him too, his style is very present on this, IMO.

Also, these are real strings in the song. One of the few songs from the era (for Martha, as an example) recorded with all real instruments.

There are a lot of songs on adore that don't fit well on adore. Tear is the first thing that comes to mind. It could do without perfect as well. It's not the most cohesive record in SP's catalogue, for sure. I imagine if it had been included on adore, most would have a hard time picturing the record without it.

I guess I just love it and wish it had been there, and I've wished that ever since adore came out, so maybe I'm biased.

slunken
08-12-2014, 04:47 PM
ON THEIR FORTHCOMING ALBUM, "ADORE," THE SMASHING PUMPKINS GET MOODY AND LEAVE THE GUITAR NOISE BEHIND - BY DAVID FRICKE

The performance is simple and tender - just Billy Corgan crooning his pinched tenor over the solitary shimmer of his acoustic guitar. Circular in its chord patterns, straightforward, at least on the surface, in its romantic sentiment, "Let Me Give the World to You" is the last song to be recorded for the Smashing Pumpkins' forthcoming album, Adore. But for all the naked clarity of this first take, the singer and guitarist senses deeper, stranger possibilities in the tune as he listens to a playback, his white, shaved head bent deep in thought in Studio A at Sound City in Van Nuys, California - the same room, coincidentally, where Nirvana recorded Nevermind.

"I can see where this is going," Corgan says sharply as the tape ends; he turns to producer Rick Rubin: "It's a nice Pumpkins pop song. But I can see it somewhere else, breaking up into something different." Corgan illustrates his point by swinging his arms to one side, as if he's throwing pieces of the song around the control room.

"Do you have any idea what that something is?" Rubin asks. "We can do something basic, just you and a click track. Then you can add and subtract ideas." Rubin has been invited by Corgan, who produced other trakcs on Adore, to take the reins for this final number. And Rubin does so with sunny patience, gently prodding the chief Pumpkin to be more explicit about his ambitions for "Let Me Give the World to You."

Corgan, dressed in black from neck to toe, fishes for a reference point and comes up with the Beatles' "Strawberry Fields Forever." "It's a pop song," he says, "but then all this strange stuff goes on in it, things dropping in and out. I know what we have can be a good pop song. I want to see how fucked-up it can be."

That has been the Pumpkins' modus operandi for the past year. Since their first round of demo sessions for Adore back in February of '97, Corgan, guitarist James Iha and bassist D'arcy have sorely tested their own sanity as a band and the promise and durability of Corgan's material: More than thirty new originals where whittled down to about fourteen for the album, which is set to be released at the end of May. They've used multiple drummers and scrapped weeks of inconclusive work, including sessions held last fall in Chicago with producer Brad Wood. They've cut some songs live in the studio and built others on tape, overdub by overdub. They've gone the unplugged route and jammed with drum machines. In short, the Pumpkins have made Adore, their fourth studio album, the hard way - by trial and error.

So it is with "Let Me Give the World to You." It takes three hours of going nowhere fast - including Corgan's aborted passes at the song on piano and unsuccessful experiments with tape speed and echo - to persuade Corgan, Iha and D'arcy to try the obvious: playing together in real time. As Iha threads the melody with ethereal fills on a Hammond organ and guest drummer Joey Waronker, from Beck's band, hits a tribal pulse, "Let Me Give the World to You" quickly ripens into something special. The spooky pneumatic tension of the group's attack fleshes out the melancholy and irony lacing Corgan's lyrics.

One night and fifty-eight takes later, the Pumpkins decide they've played the song to near perfection; they end up editing a composite track from the best performances. But Rubin figures the initial false starts were worth the trouble. "If you have a great song, you can make twenty records out of it," he says smiling through his long, thick beard.

<b>

s0ss
08-12-2014, 05:01 PM
is there an effect on the vocals?

It sounds like it.

slunken
08-12-2014, 05:49 PM
this recording gets better each day. i love it.

slunken
08-12-2014, 06:16 PM
:beatup:

slunken
08-12-2014, 06:17 PM
Strangely enough, Coran says a pivotal, if unlikely, inspiration for the sound and quirky immediacy of Adore was the early-1950's Sun recordings of Howlin' Wolf: "I was really blown away by the visceral energy. There's other things I was listening to: Son House, Muddy Waters. But I wasn't attracted to the song form per se. I was attracted to the spirit in the music. It seemed more rock & roll to me than any other rock & roll I could listen to." Corgan was so taken with the notion of a roots 'n' groove Pumpkins record that at one point he talked to both Daniel Lanois and T-Bone Burnett about producing Adore.

http://forums.netphoria.org/showthread.php?t=181293

bs1933
08-12-2014, 06:22 PM
Apologies if I missed or it as in another thread but has anyone been able to rip the audio from the site? My usual media downloaded isn't picking this one up for some reason

slunken
08-12-2014, 06:23 PM
its just a youtube link. have you tried other browsers?

bs1933
08-12-2014, 06:29 PM
Derrrrr. I didn't realize that it was just on Youtube because they disabled the title bar at the top. I found the URL and I'm able to grab the file from Youtube. Weird that my plug-in was not catching it on the Zuzu site. Thanks.

slunken
08-12-2014, 06:41 PM
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6014/5912399879_0a3f91b9da_m.jpg

CASH REWARDS

juliana
08-12-2014, 07:11 PM
Just click the youtube icon.

themadcaplaughs
08-12-2014, 07:18 PM
Has it been confirmed anywhere that Waronker played the drums on this?

He also mentioned it in the Confessions. I do not feel like looking it up, but I specifically remember him describing Joey as "shell shocked" as he was not used to the Smashing Pumpkins way of recording (i.e. focusing on one song for hours at a time, playing it over and over again until it was perfect). Corgan mentioned that it was a moment of insight for him as he came to realize that even on an album like Adore, where James and D'arcy were relatively uninvovled in the album making process, the two of them put in more work than most other bands just in their ability to keep up with the rigors of the studio.

I also remember he says Joey later admitted the whole thing was worth the trouble.

Ram27
08-12-2014, 09:56 PM
I know what we have can be a good pop song. I want to see how fucked-up it can be."

just make a good song you bloody cunt

T&T
08-12-2014, 11:00 PM
It's weird to me that this premier is just a youtube link and not a sponsored link to some exclusive on a website of some sort.
Has billy lost his pull?

starlightvideoproductions
08-13-2014, 12:19 AM
Great song but like many others, I just feel the drums are off. The verses sound like a click track and the chorus's fills sound out of place. Lets get the multi-tracks, strip the drums off the adore version, strip everything else off the M2 and combine!

reprise85
08-13-2014, 12:40 AM
It's weird to me that this premier is just a youtube link and not a sponsored link to some exclusive on a website of some sort.
Has billy lost his pull?

he can't win. people complain when he does that stuff and when he doesn't they ask questions like this.

T&T
08-13-2014, 01:25 AM
lets not pretend he didn't do it because we complained the last time he did... the man does what he wants.
sponsorship (clickbait) is a legitimate source of revenue in 2014 for musicians. sure we'll complain, but it's par for the course.

you're right, he can't win.

aztec litany service
08-13-2014, 01:37 AM
i fucking love this. the vocals are fantastic. expressive, dynamic, right on.
he was right, it doesn't fit on adore, but they could've promo'd it anyway.

truly bizarre to me that he had this and identify around that era and didn't release them [and no, imbruglia doesn't count]

Gooch
08-13-2014, 02:04 AM
The click track overwhelms the song...the drumming is sub_par, and sounds amateur...and the ending falls flat...and the layering of the end of the song sounds like a community college sophomore's art project. MII version was much more professionally done. Does Rick Rubin offer refunds? You do better on your own, Billy, like your sadlands demos. don't over think things. You're a baseball fan - you know what happens when you over think things. That being said, thanks for this song. You should be proud.

Forgotten Child
08-13-2014, 06:07 PM
Did anyone notice that the edition on the vocals is clearly listenable at 1m13s? :noway:

houseofglass11
08-13-2014, 07:53 PM
Yeah, you can hear the punch-in there a bit.

houseofglass11
08-13-2014, 08:02 PM
The live version they did on some of the early Adore shows in Europe with Kenny Aronoff was better than this. He should have drummed on Adore. I guess they didn't start working with him till after the album was complete though.

iPumpkin
08-14-2014, 12:07 AM
This video is private.

WTF!

Butt Pope
08-14-2014, 04:18 AM
Please note that due to prior agreemement this link will only be active for a few days. Adore Box Sets are currently available at: www.madamezuzus.com ; Madame ZuZu's prices being cheaper

Butt Pope
08-14-2014, 04:18 AM
Absolutely groundbreaking.

amoergosum
08-14-2014, 05:00 AM
This video is private.

WTF!

>>>

http://ohitsjustawful.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/120313-billy-corgan.png

http://i.giflike.com/CWu0f57.gif

Kahlo
08-14-2014, 09:32 AM
so....mp3 rip anyone?

Cool As Ice Cream
08-14-2014, 10:06 AM
so....mp3 rip anyone?

i'd love to go through the effort of posting a lemonparty link for you, but apparently that's no longer appreciated around here, and i don't want to get banned for trying to help out, so i'm very sorry, but no can do. je suis désolé.

Skradgee
08-14-2014, 10:15 AM
Change it up a bit. Maybe go with a Goatse link this time.

Butt Pope
08-14-2014, 10:20 AM
The entire rerelease torrent will be here soon. Don't steal music, though.

Kahlo
08-14-2014, 10:53 AM
i'd love to go through the effort of posting a lemonparty link for you, but apparently that's no longer appreciated around here, and i don't want to get banned for trying to help out, so i'm very sorry, but no can do. je suis désolé.

it's fine, I just went to lemonparty myself - job done :cool:

Cool As Ice Cream
08-14-2014, 11:03 AM
phew. thx!

toase
08-14-2014, 01:57 PM
http://www.4shared.com/mp3/nsAbx5Flba/The_Smashing_Pumpkins_-_10_-_L.html

Kahlo
08-14-2014, 02:15 PM
thanks toase! :)

s0ss
08-14-2014, 02:53 PM
Nothing is simple in Camp Smashing Pumpkinawana.

Thanks for the rip.

Spaceboy88
08-14-2014, 05:25 PM
http://www.4shared.com/mp3/nsAbx5Flba/The_Smashing_Pumpkins_-_10_-_L.html

Am I retarded or is there no actual link to download it? I keep clicking on 'download' and I see a timer that says "wait 20 seconds" that doesn't move.

BurtSampson
08-14-2014, 05:54 PM
spoilers for anyone who can't hear it:

he said des-toe-ny even back in 1998

slunken
08-14-2014, 05:54 PM
http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb14/slunken_2007/SP%20LOL/BILLY-KITTENS-ARE-ANGELS_zps893094c7.gif (http://s207.photobucket.com/user/slunken_2007/media/SP%20LOL/BILLY-KITTENS-ARE-ANGELS_zps893094c7.gif.html)

toase
08-14-2014, 08:06 PM
Am I retarded or is there no actual link to download it? I keep clicking on 'download' and I see a timer that says "wait 20 seconds" that doesn't move.

Hmm I dunno, it's working for me. Log in before clicking the download button, maybe the log-in popup is not being displayed for you

iPumpkin
08-14-2014, 09:59 PM
I sent the youtube link to a few people and they all replied it's private. Way to kill any potential buzz Bill.

NilSineDeo
08-14-2014, 10:37 PM
http://www.4shared.com/mp3/nsAbx5Flba/The_Smashing_Pumpkins_-_10_-_L.html

Thank you!

Corgan's Bluff
08-14-2014, 10:46 PM
Posting the world premiere of „Let Me Give The World To You – Adore Version“ on YouTube for just two days -until the there presented Madam ZuZu's offer was sold out- was another “clever” marketing gag of William Patrick Corgan.

But if you were fast enough, you had a High Definition download of the complete song…:cool:

http://www.dvdvideosoft.com/free-dvd-video-software.htm#.U-1tNH4t1FU

OldAtHeart
08-14-2014, 10:59 PM
Prefer the Machina II version but this one has some charm. The biggest problem is the song doesn't go anywhere--it needs the build up and release as heard on the Machina II and in live iterations.

aeroplume
08-14-2014, 11:51 PM
at least queens of the stone age are still around.

Ram27
08-14-2014, 11:57 PM
Foo Fighters have a new record coming out in November

They're pretty consistently good

Butt Pope
08-15-2014, 01:31 AM
Foo Fighters have a new record coming out in November

They've made the same album since 2000.

agreed

panda show
08-15-2014, 02:48 AM
Foo Fighters have a new record coming out in November

They're pretty consistently goodmeaning they have made the same fucking album since 2000

reprise85
08-15-2014, 03:11 AM
post 2005 killers and post 2000 foo fighters should make out

Ram27
08-15-2014, 07:07 AM
meaning they have made the same fucking album since 2000

Is this supposed to be a bad thing?

They're not being stupid and trying to change what works.

JoaoMiguel
08-15-2014, 02:30 PM
This beautiful song deserves a proper mixing. What a waste.

Kahlo
08-15-2014, 02:31 PM
Is this supposed to be a bad thing?

They're not being stupid and trying to change what works.

Only, it doesn't. It's dull as shit.

T&T
08-15-2014, 02:32 PM
the more I listen to it as is, it's quite nice. I'm glad it's not overblown.

Kahlo
08-15-2014, 02:33 PM
Yep, I've been appreciating it. I'm glad we have it, and it is pretty much exactly what I expected.

killtrocity
08-15-2014, 04:37 PM
it's nice

SpFission
12-08-2014, 04:54 PM
I think I listened to this version once. Don't plan on listening again. Still can't bear the original live version of this song...other than that I never understood the Fandom for it

slunken
12-08-2014, 06:22 PM
its a great song. after couple of months to settle in, it stands up against some of the best recorded studio work from the era.

slunken
12-08-2014, 06:26 PM
I like how in the MCIS, TAFH and Adore box sets the tracks kind of seem jumbled together like in Mashed Potatoes - you really have to put in the time to sift out the gold.

For every couple ok tracks and a maybe a stinker or two there are some amazing things that i'm still picking out of the boxes.

Play them in the right context and it's completely extra bonus rounds/unlocked doors of the beloved albums.

SpFission
12-08-2014, 06:29 PM
its a great song. after couple of months to settle in, it stands up against some of the best recorded studio work from the era.

I meant 'beat' the live version. Regardless I will give it another chance.

slunken
12-08-2014, 06:35 PM
live vs studio are two entirely different things. i'm mostly interested in studio work. that's just me.

Mals Marola
12-08-2014, 08:48 PM
a studio recording standing up to the live performances is always an event, in any case, in the smashing pumpkins special pumpkin camp

at least these days!