View Full Version : Do you respect Billy Corgan (anymore)?


Ram27
08-04-2014, 12:25 AM
?

Order 66
08-04-2014, 12:35 AM
the only thing i earnestly disrespect about him is how he contradicts himself and how he's completely recalcitrant to think outside of his self-made bubble

everything else like the right wing nuttery and what have you grind my gears. but that's his deal. i'm not in it for a friend

obvs not the same person he was ten years ago (notice how i said ten, not 15+, because around zeitgeist was when he REALLY lost his bearings) but he's not a contemptible person or anything. or even if he was i wouldn't care.

redbreegull
08-04-2014, 12:46 AM
I respect him as a human being and for his musicianship and all the amazing music he has contributed to planet earth


sure he seems like a crazy dickhead, but I don't know the guy and other than being disappointed in his newer music and that he has publicly trashed so many people he has worked with, I have nothing personal against him

Order 66
08-04-2014, 12:59 AM
Do you respect Yeezy (anymore)?

null123
08-04-2014, 01:19 AM
I respect Billy and I think he is a cool guy

Shallowed
08-04-2014, 03:17 AM
He stabbed my mother and ran over my cat, but I still respect him as a human being.

Elphenor
08-04-2014, 03:19 AM
I respect him as a crazy ass artist

Cool As Ice Cream
08-04-2014, 03:29 AM
if you're not a real fan, then why are you even here?

vbshlofbvgos
08-04-2014, 04:32 AM
Of course I respect him but he's far from my favorite person.

T&T
08-04-2014, 07:38 AM
I'm glad I don't need to interact with him in real life.

Funbags
08-04-2014, 07:57 AM
I'm glad I don't need to interact with him in real life.

I still can't believe Corgan managed to cut Kerry out of his life. Kerry is practically The Dude...how do you fight with El Duderino?

Cool As Ice Cream
08-04-2014, 08:11 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v496/TwilightToStarlight/billy_kitties.jpg

workingdogv1
08-04-2014, 08:36 AM
Don't always agree with his decisions or how he treats people, but yeah I absolutely respect the guy. It's difficult to imagine what it would be like to have been where he has been and then face some of the difficulties thrown at him over the last ten years (granted, some of his own making, but still). I'm not sure I could handle it half as well. At least he's still trying to do new things instead of coasting on his laurels.

milk-plus
08-04-2014, 01:08 PM
At least he's still trying to do new things instead of coasting on his laurels.

^ this. Even if his work hasn't been all great he continues creating new stuff, isn't that what artists do?

Still, I wouldn't want to meet him.

davin
08-04-2014, 05:37 PM
my respect for the art, though waning in recent years, far outshines my respect for the artist.

themadcaplaughs
08-04-2014, 06:53 PM
Don't always agree with his decisions or how he treats people, but yeah I absolutely respect the guy. It's difficult to imagine what it would be like to have been where he has been and then face some of the difficulties thrown at him over the last ten years (granted, some of his own making, but still). I'm not sure I could handle it half as well. At least he's still trying to do new things instead of coasting on his laurels.


Could not agree more.

Also, Davin, I remember you being VERY into Smashing Pumpkins and all of Billy's projects in 2007/2008. I consistently remember you being one of the few people who managed to stay positive during this whole time. When did you start to have your interest wane in the band?

Spaceboy88
08-04-2014, 07:33 PM
I absolutely respect Billy. Sure, he does a lot of things I don't agree with, nor do I care about (i.e. threatening fans, making us buy $800 worth of tea to get an autographed box set, wrestling, fighting with fans on stage that boo), but The Smashing Pumpkins were the soundtrack of my youth, got me through so many things and will forever be a piece of me. None of that would be possible w/o Billy. Also, he was one of the first artists to embrace the internet to go directly to fans which was absolutely amazing, and part of why I think there's this love/hate relationship with many fans.

I also give the guy a lot of credit for still doing what he loves. He's unfairly treated and disrespected a lot by the media, but then on the other hand, he brings a lot of the hate upon himself with the things he says, the hissy fits he throws (Pavement, Radiohead). I can't help but think things would be a lit different, and better, if he just kept his head down, did his thing and didn't care so much about what people say/write/think.

I will always embrace everything he does with open arms, and while I don't expect anything he does now to move me the way it did in the 90's, I'll give everything a chance until the day I die. There are some great songs that came out during the Zeitgeist era and Oceania was a super solid album. I'm looking forward to the new releases and will buy everything the guy continues to put out, regardless if it's stuff like AEGEA that will never once be listened to.

redbull
08-04-2014, 09:01 PM
Could not agree more.

Also, Davin, I remember you being VERY into Smashing Pumpkins and all of Billy's projects in 2007/2008. I consistently remember you being one of the few people who managed to stay positive during this whole time. When did you start to have your interest wane in the band?
can't speak for davin but i bailed when JC quit

redbreegull
08-04-2014, 09:06 PM
yeah my interest in the music nose-dived after j0mmy left

OldAtHeart
08-04-2014, 09:29 PM
His recent statement about someone stealing his tracks and all that lawyer talk rub me the wrong way. I still respect him mainly because of his music.

juliana
08-04-2014, 09:57 PM
Has anyone ever stole your shit? Do you give them a pat on the back and throw them a party?

chucklescrotum
08-05-2014, 12:40 AM
Billy Corgan has destroyed Netphoria. Netphoria used to be good. Now it's shit. Thanks, Billy.

ilikeplanets
08-05-2014, 09:23 AM
I want to say no, but I listen to a few (old) songs and have to say yes.

Spaceboy88
08-05-2014, 10:11 AM
Has anyone ever stole your shit? Do you give them a pat on the back and throw them a party?

I hardly call someone leaking songs that Billy gave them stealing. It's a fine line but let's not pretend this was someone hacking his HD or breaking into his house, stealing shit and having it spread online for all to hear.

Billy was, in his opinion, betrayed by people he trusted to never leak those songs without his permission. If they were so vital to his livelihood he shouldn't have put them into the public to begin with.

juliana
08-05-2014, 10:48 AM
I hardly call someone leaking songs that Billy gave them stealing. It's a fine line but let's not pretend this was someone hacking his HD or breaking into his house, stealing shit and having it spread online for all to hear.

Billy was, in his opinion, betrayed by people he trusted to never leak those songs without his permission. If they were so vital to his livelihood he shouldn't have put them into the public to begin with.

Who did he give them too? How do you know this?

Cash rewards here I come.

Spaceboy88
08-05-2014, 03:04 PM
Who did he give them too? How do you know this?

Cash rewards here I come.

Monte

juliana
08-05-2014, 04:23 PM
Monte, I know what you did last summer

themadcaplaughs
08-05-2014, 10:01 PM
Billy Corgan has destroyed Netphoria. Netphoria used to be good. Now it's shit. Thanks, Billy.

http://rokpool.com/files/artist/smashing%20pumpkins3.jpg?0


http://forums.netphoria.org/wwwboard/bbtitle5.jpg


http://www.spin.com/sites/all/files/styles/style820_546/public/120313-billy-corgan.png

Mayfuck
08-05-2014, 10:26 PM
The bad music, zany conspiracy theories and questionable relationships aren't really enough to offset what he provided me during my most developmental years and what he continues to provide me whenever I revisit those songs and the world they built.

He's embarrassing, but not toxic. and I make an important distinction between those two things.

Elphenor
08-06-2014, 12:12 AM
CHEMTRAILS

Spaceboy88
08-06-2014, 08:07 AM
I had to google "Billy Corgan conspiracy theories". What I read doesn't sound so crazy. That capitalist cabals are steering world affairs? That's not really much of a mystery. Maybe there are others, but most of what I saw was how the government, backed by big business, is fucking us. Well, of course they are.

Chemtrails. :rolleyes:

davin
08-06-2014, 12:57 PM
Could not agree more.

Also, Davin, I remember you being VERY into Smashing Pumpkins and all of Billy's projects in 2007/2008. I consistently remember you being one of the few people who managed to stay positive during this whole time. When did you start to have your interest wane in the band?

more or less when Jimmy left.

i saw the metro show with the new line-up, as well as the "soundcheck entry" show with mike byrne @ mr smalls in pittsburgh...but somehow, even after seeing tristessa live with only 20 people, it wasn't the same. :(

i thought Oceania was OK....but i didn't enjoy it as much as Zeitgeist. say what you will, but for me Zeitgeist was more about the come back, goign to Paris, reconnecting with the online community, etc. All that excitement was lost by the time Oceania came out, as the Teargarden stuff really tested my patience and loyalty. And even though Oceania got good reviews and was supposedly "true to form". i thought the lyrical content was weak, i thought it was not nearly as bold as Zeitgeist...nor did it take as many chances (though it had better production)...and frankly i didn't really connect with any of the songs.

when they played the Oceania show at Allstate Arena (formerly ROsemont Horizon) in "chicago"...and they undersold so much that they only played in HALF the venue (never seen this in all my years seeing shows there, especially for a "hometown" band...) i just had a sinking feeling that my obsession with this band was in some ways coming to an end. i dont have anything super negative to say about Oceania -- it just didn't resonate with me AT ALL. :shrug:

frenchy
08-07-2014, 12:11 PM
Since 2008, I come back to Netphoria once a year (yep, I'm doing it today)... I'm having the same feelings as Davin toward Billy's music.
But, I'll still be giving him a chance everytime he will put something out.

Cheers Davin :)

frenchy
08-07-2014, 12:12 PM
LOL, my signature has links to MySpace :)

Ram27
08-07-2014, 01:05 PM
You and Epiphany are the only two whose signatures I can see

cool I guess

Cool As Ice Cream
08-07-2014, 02:43 PM
hi frenchy!

whywontyoulistn
08-07-2014, 02:52 PM
Oh yeah, signatures!

panda show
08-07-2014, 03:00 PM
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.joystiq.com/media/2008/09/425_billy_corgan_backround.jpg

smashingjj
08-07-2014, 03:21 PM
Nope!

Squashings
08-07-2014, 11:37 PM
He always respected me the morning after. - KD looooooooove ya Billy.

JRock
08-08-2014, 02:51 PM
I can understand why some people find this a difficult question to ask. At some point over the past 24 years we have all respected what Billy and his bands have accomplished, but we have also struggled with what we have heard either from the media or from personal experiences - that he can be difficult or mean to people.

I respect him as a person because he does what he wants and does not appear to compromise his beliefs despite what people say. Now, I have not always agreed with his artistic choices or his behavior in interviews, etc., but he does not exist to please me or anyone else. He considers himself to be an artists and he creates the art that we wants to at any given time. We ultimately choose whether or not we want to support him if his art is interesting to us.

jimmy drevpile
08-08-2014, 05:43 PM
frenchy!

aztec litany service
08-13-2014, 05:17 AM
it doesn't matter what i think about him personally and don't know him personally. it goes w/o saying that he seems to often exhibit a very strong [some might say aggressive or overbearing] personality, and doesn't shy away from conflict, maybe seeks it, maybe creates it where it doesn't need to be b/c of whatever.

artistically there's a lot to respect. he worked tirelessly, toured all the time, put in more effort than many to become successful, and did. strong will and strong work ethic are things generally respected in this culture. his work post-zwan often feels uninspired, bland, average, which is a shame considering the heights he reached before that.

and this is nothing that hasn't been said a million times, i'm just bored and slacking off b/c i lack the focus and strength of will of a billy corgan lol. i envy that, really. i wish i could muster up the will to push hard enough to do sth and get somewhere, but i have never had that sort of motivation. so yeah, massive respect and envy to him for that.

Cool As Ice Cream
08-13-2014, 05:21 AM
didn't you record like 100 albums worth of songs? i'd consider that pushing quite hard. surely you need a good amount of motivation for that. no?

Trotskilicious
08-13-2014, 05:52 AM
I had to google "Billy Corgan conspiracy theories". What I read doesn't sound so crazy. That capitalist cabals are steering world affairs? That's not really much of a mystery. Maybe there are others, but most of what I saw was how the government, backed by big business, is fucking us. Well, of course they are.

right that's the macro level. this is exactly what is annoying about alex jones. on the macro level, yes they sound like they're right but then on the micro level when you listen to their explanations for things it's because of obama and socialists.

if you actually listen to bill's interview with jones it's a lot of fucking blathering nonsense. bill has a bunch of buzz phrases and he strings them together in a pretty haphazard way, like he's just masquerading as an intellect. much like alex jones.

BILLY CORRIGAN IS HERE FOLKS

dreams of glass
08-25-2014, 02:35 AM
Why isn't there a maybe option?

on the fence?

we had some times, but the letters have been sent?

s0ss
08-25-2014, 12:58 PM
Why isn't there a maybe option?

on the fence?

we had some times, but the letters have been sent?

stop screwing around and post the sound files you came to post.

Ram27
08-25-2014, 01:20 PM
^

also to answer my question, no

One anecdote I particularly enjoyed he told a guy ahead of me during the meet & greet afterwards. He stated that "Thru The Eyes of Ruby" was one of his favorite Mellon Collie songs, but Billy didn't initially want to put it on the album. Jimmy begged him to put it on but Billy said he didn't have any lyrics for it so he was just gonna leave it off. Jimmy urged him to go write the lyrics immediately, which he did, and it was on the album.