View Full Version : why did it take me so long to listen to the cure


Trotskilicious
08-03-2014, 03:27 AM
what was wrong with me?

fuzzyroes
08-03-2014, 05:47 AM
That is certainly bizarre, you seem to be on top of things music wise.

Enjoy em, they're a fantastic group

Shallowed
08-03-2014, 06:43 AM
Here's why it took me a long time,

I used to listen to blink-182 a lot. Their self titled album had a song featuring Robert Smith, and the liner notes said that they had always been big big fans of The Cure so it was an honour to work with him.

So I picked up the first Cure CD I found, which was Seventeen Seconds. I was like UGH where's the inane, juvenile lyrics? Where's the lightspeed drumming? Where are the drums that don't sound like a drum machine?

And then it was a few years 'til I picked up Unknown Pleasures and Closer and was like hmm this is um okay I guess and then after a little while was like WOW THIS IS FUCKASS AWESOME WOW IAN CURTIS WAS SO DERPRESSED AND SHIT and went back to Seventeen Seconds because I remembered that it was kind of similar

Still only heard that album, Pornography and Disintegration though. Disintegration is by far the best that I've heard. Anything else by them that's similar to that kind of dream pop like sound on Disintegration?

Shallowed
08-03-2014, 06:45 AM
what was wrong with me?

I suppose it didn't have anything to do with liking blink-182

fuzzyroes
08-03-2014, 07:06 AM
the ultimate, chill-groove

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bignothing
08-03-2014, 08:07 AM
I'm not a terribly huge fan, but I love this:

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"Between you and me, it's hard to ever really know who to trust, how to think, what to believe."

Rairun
08-03-2014, 11:21 AM
I do think Bloodflowers is as good as Disintegration, but it probably helps that I got into them when that album was released. It's hard to tell.

redbreegull
08-03-2014, 01:06 PM
what was wrong with me?


http://i.somethingawful.com/u/Viconia/Dinosaur_Hairstyles/Queen_Caucus___emo_dino.jpg

noyen
08-03-2014, 01:57 PM
i'd like to know why, B. there is A treasure trove of delicious songs, and some people like the crap songs posted in this thread. they've basically been 4 or 5 different sounding bands. they are the best ever of all decades.

Elphenor
08-03-2014, 02:46 PM
I do think Bloodflowers is as good as Disintegration, but it probably helps that I got into them when that album was released. It's hard to tell.

I can't believe anyone would say this....

Elphenor
08-03-2014, 02:55 PM
Listening to 17 seconds for the first time was a religious experience

redbull
08-03-2014, 04:10 PM
bloodflowers is really pretty good. by far the best thing they've put out post-wish

I agree that 17 seconds is fucking amazing tho. easily my favorite release by them

Elphenor
08-03-2014, 04:38 PM
It's okay, but it's no Dis.

null123
08-03-2014, 04:42 PM
Good band. Feel like they're considered a dorky thing to like

slunken
08-03-2014, 04:43 PM
bloodflowers was my first one too.

head on the door is probably my favorite.

redbull
08-03-2014, 05:00 PM
head on the door feels too unfocused to me, although it has some banger songs on it

redbull
08-03-2014, 05:00 PM
can we talk about how good Shake Dog Shake is

null123
08-03-2014, 05:08 PM
Yes I love that song. Makes the rest of the album seem kinda lame in comparison though

D.
08-03-2014, 06:49 PM
I've never been able to get into the Cure tbh. :\

ButtHash
08-03-2014, 07:35 PM
My favorite is Pornography. Absolute depression perfection. I like that they could do stuff like that and then do poppy stuff and it all worked

Trotskilicious
08-03-2014, 08:55 PM
i'd like to know why, B. there is A treasure trove of delicious songs, and some people like the crap songs posted in this thread. they've basically been 4 or 5 different sounding bands. they are the best ever of all decades.


i thought they were "gay" in high school. then i dunno i just was listening to other things and then just recently i FINALLY listened to disintegration and i was like omfg how was i a shoegaze giant guitar fan without knowing the cure

last night i was listening to dino jr and i was like how come i forgot they played this hilarious cover, and what cure album is just like heaven on? so i listed to Kiss Me x3 and I was like omfg what the <i>fuck was wrong with me</I>

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i love the metal screams and riffing coming out of nowhere, and the big ass J mascis solo

Trotskilicious
08-03-2014, 08:59 PM
oh and that's from the reissue no wonder i don't remember it

slunken
08-03-2014, 09:18 PM
<b>

Trotskilicious
08-03-2014, 09:51 PM
WHAT

null123
08-03-2014, 09:53 PM
It said his favorite Cure song was Sugar Girl

noyen
08-03-2014, 10:23 PM
Their bsides are probably my favorites. I enjoy everything up until wild mood swings which I thought was awful. There are a handful of songs from self titled and bloodfloeers I like but generally not my thing. I can hang with the rest and am glad it is there in mass to still listen too. lost wishes is great too. But I can find something if not everything to like about all their albums, even the ones I kinda hate. I highly reccomend also listening to the glove deluxe reissue that has Robert Smiths voice on all the tracks rather than the awful singer they used. Its fucking great. Join the dots collects all the bsides which have some real gems. That output alone blows away some other bands entire discography. But I am a cure fanboy so.. Too many good songs to list but if you want my list of fav songs I can send you a DM or a Spotify playlist. I wish they'd break up and Robert do or release his mythical solo album but he talks more trash than Billy its hard to know what is true and isn't. He was notorious for lying to journalists forever and has kept fans on a leash for decades not releasing material he says he will. For a while reissues were coming out but then just stopped. They'll probably always be my favorite band in the world that impacted my personality and listening enjoyment for my short life. I always wanted to be like them, look like them, sound like them. I'm almost 40, and some of their stuff just gets better with age. So much of it obscure to casual or even more interested fans. Nothing I enjoy more than talking with other cure fans who got as deep as I did and close to them as possible. I have so many friends and online friends from just decades of being a cure fan. I generally like them all and even the ones who still play dress up. Its cool seeing younger people into their newer shittier music too because it just means someday they'll go back and discover the real goldmine so I can't even hate on it. I fully endorse youngins aka hipsters wearing cure t-shirts and OK like bloodflowers but they had better days and I am happy you tipped your toes in the water. Disintegration is good. The bsides to it and kiss me could've made another two hit records. Anyway let me know if you want my ultimate playlist. Much like any other band with lots of hyper collective fans they have maybe thousands of bootlegs and then all the rare rare stuff is fun to discover. The Dino Jr cover might be one of the only good ones. Converge does a pretty good cover of disintegration but most covers are awful (311 the worst offendor). Deftones did some really quite good covers but yeah. Most who attempt have been shite.

Trotskilicious
08-03-2014, 10:26 PM
CONVERGE

i just love how dino jr that cover still is, even though it's absolutely recognizable as the cure. plus it tips the hat too, i mean so much of what the cure did impacts everything that i love. it's just so weird it took me this long

Trotskilicious
08-03-2014, 10:27 PM
i am on the spotted fi aslo, how do you find people on there without using fucking facebook

noyen
08-03-2014, 10:29 PM
I love the Dino cover. J mascis shreds. I like him better than Jimi Hendrix. He is old and weird and probably autistic but Jesus lord he is amazing to watch live. Their take on jlh is still awesome. I think they still play it live too. I am also surprised he just started liking them I thought you already did. You can find that converge cover on YouTube I haven't seen it on Spotify or anything. It is purty damn good and I'm only sort of into converge.

noyen
08-03-2014, 10:32 PM
i am on the spotted fi aslo, how do you find people on there without using fucking facebook

I don't have Facebook but I think my username is noyen on it too but I remember I had to send some weird number code for people to find me on it since I too am also not on the fb anymore. There is some convoluted way to find people I had to google it to get two of my friends to find me on there.

Edit: my name on Spotify is "noyenx". I'll make a pub playlist on there. Its not all on Spotify but most is.

noyen
08-03-2014, 10:33 PM
I'll also post that playlist here cuz charms wants to see it too. By tomorrow promise. I am way deep in watching the last 6 EPs of the killing.

redbreegull
08-03-2014, 10:41 PM
last night i was listening to dino jr and i was like how come i forgot they played this hilarious cover, and what cure album is just like heaven on? so i listed to Kiss Me x3 and I was like omfg what the <i>fuck was wrong with me</I>

i love the metal screams and riffing coming out of nowhere, and the big ass J mascis solo

Kiss Me is probably my favorite album by them although I am about to listen to 17 seconds for the first time ever. Yep, there's only so much time in the world and only so many bands whose discographies you can be completely familiar with

the dino cover fucking owns the universe. I didn't know it was from the remaster or whatever. I think they end all their shows with that song, at least they have every time I have seen them, complete with the abrupt cut out instead of finishing the last chorus

noyen
08-03-2014, 10:44 PM
ok so for finding spotify users with a username and not a number you have to type this in the searchbar "spotify:user:username" its pretty wack. then for facebook people they'd have to tell you their user id number or searching their name. i only have to friends on spotify because of this stupid hassle.

ButtHash
08-03-2014, 10:51 PM
Praise him:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26OurP_-iRM

Trotskilicious
08-03-2014, 10:53 PM
one of the worst things about spotify is that it's shamelessly attached to facebook like some kind of remora

D.
08-03-2014, 11:13 PM
I think I'm going to download some Cure albums and give this another go.

redbull
08-03-2014, 11:14 PM
I think I'm going to download some Cure albums and give this another go.

go disintegration -> head on the door -> seventeen seconds imo

noyen
08-03-2014, 11:16 PM
spotify:user:noyenx:playlist:1bVCSNpW2jCg5wd0O3ajq H
http://open.spotify.com/user/noyenx/playlist/1bVCSNpW2jCg5wd0O3ajqH

Trotskilicious
08-03-2014, 11:17 PM
download? what decade are you posting from

redbreegull
08-03-2014, 11:18 PM
So actually I didn't really get Seventeen Seconds on the first listen. A Forest is a classic, but this sound just seems really dated to me. it's very sparse and dreary and there aren't many hooks (cue argument). I'll give it another try later. I think it's b0lly's favorite cure album

Trotskilicious
08-03-2014, 11:19 PM
i went disintegration --> Kiss Me x3 ---> and then something else head on teh door/seventeen seconds

giving disintegration and kiss me another few spins

noyen
08-03-2014, 11:23 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anfVeYG60iA

also start with carnage visors cuz it predates this post rock shit and is 25 minutes long.

redbull
08-03-2014, 11:24 PM
hmmm i've never actually bothered to listen to carnage visors

redbreegull
08-03-2014, 11:26 PM
holy shit I forgot how epic of an album opener plainsong is


I think it's dark and looks like rain, you said
and the wind is blowing like it's the end of the world, you said
and it's so cold, like the cold if you were dead
then you smiled for a second

http://musiccourt.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/robert_smith.jpg

noyen
08-03-2014, 11:32 PM
hmmm i've never actually bothered to listen to carnage visors

i think it's worth it if you've got the time. it's pure bass vi sound and boss DR-55 drum machine instrumental awesomeness. to me, at least.

Elphenor
08-03-2014, 11:32 PM
Like Cockatoos is soooooo good

Those vocals

Elphenor
08-03-2014, 11:36 PM
And How beautiful you are

And ever motherfucking song on that album. Just TOO good

noyen
08-03-2014, 11:37 PM
best ever of decade we know.

Order 66
08-03-2014, 11:46 PM
bloodflowers was my first one too.



same here.. criminally underrated album.

Elphenor
08-03-2014, 11:48 PM
You're such a such a strange girl
The way you look like you do
you're such a strange girl
I want to be with you


Always makes me crazy happy no matter how shitty I feel

Elphenor
08-03-2014, 11:49 PM
I drown at night in your house!
pretending to swim
pretending to swim

noyen
08-03-2014, 11:58 PM
i don't think you need to post any lyrics.

Elphenor
08-04-2014, 12:03 AM
I'm sorry
Whenever someone brings up The Cure I want to go lyric crazy.

Trotskilicious
08-04-2014, 12:46 AM
shut the fuck up

Trotskilicious
08-04-2014, 02:31 AM
seventeen seconds is also awesome. i think the next month will be dedicating to immersing myself in the cure

ilikeplanets
08-04-2014, 09:16 AM
I'VE BEEN LOOKING SO LONG AT THESE PICTURES OF YOU

redbreegull
08-04-2014, 11:19 AM
that I almost believe that they're real.... :(

bye june
08-04-2014, 12:11 PM
I didn't like The Cure when I first heard them, but I've started to like a few songs over the past few years. I think it's time I give their discography a proper listen.

It's just taken me a while too because I prefer to buy the CDs...I wish I wasn't like that...It would save me some money.

Trotskilicious
08-04-2014, 12:54 PM
spotify

opera de nuit
08-04-2014, 01:23 PM
seventeen seconds is also awesome. i think the next month will be dedicating to immersing myself in the cure

i've loved most of their discography, but seventeen seconds and faith are the two that have made the most impact, to the point of shamelessly ripping them off for years. i can't pick between the two, both are perfect.

redbreegull
08-04-2014, 01:49 PM
It's just taken me a while too because I prefer to buy the CDs...I wish I wasn't like that...It would save me some money.

CDs don't make any sense to buy anymore IMO

if you are interested in the sound quality you should stop wasting $$$ on CDs and just invest in a turntable. if you don't give a shit about that but are concerned with not stealing the music or whatever, just buy the mp3s (although this makes even less sense to me because you are essentially paying a dollar per track at complete shit quality)

Dogfighter28
08-04-2014, 02:25 PM
Quite possibly my favorite overall band when you consider their full output

Best way to appreciate them: watch the Trilogy concert. Quite possibly their three best albums (though I'm partial to the dark side) played in sequence

I once was walked in on while bawling to pictures of you while drinking alone and eating an entire 16 inch pizza

null123
08-04-2014, 04:46 PM
I don't understand why all vocalists' voices can't age as well as Robert Smith's has

slunken
08-04-2014, 05:05 PM
<B>

redbreegull
08-04-2014, 06:08 PM
I don't understand why all vocalists' voices can't age as well as Robert Smith's has

the rest of his body has made up for it

Mooney
08-04-2014, 06:37 PM
the cure became my favourite band after the pumpkins broke up. i don't listen to them that much these days. like slunken, i'll throw on three imaginary boys or boys don't cry more than anything else. definitely check those out - three imaginary boys was the first official release in 79, and boys don't cry was sort of a compilation that came out the following year.

D.
08-04-2014, 06:47 PM
Last night I downloaded their first album and while I only had time to listen to the first three tracks, it didn't seem as horrific as I once thought it was, I guess. Hmmm.

Trotskilicious
08-04-2014, 06:51 PM
ugh, d.

Shallowed
08-04-2014, 07:19 PM
CDs don't make any sense to buy anymore IMO

Sure they do.

They're a lot more resilient, the set up isn't as fiddly, it's more convenient than vinyl, they're much cheaper, and I don't know what you're talking about "quality" for because there's nothing wrong with the sound quality of CDs.

Trotskilicious
08-04-2014, 07:30 PM
records are hipper

redbreegull
08-04-2014, 09:03 PM
Sure they do.

They're a lot more resilient, the set up isn't as fiddly, it's more convenient than vinyl, they're much cheaper, and I don't know what you're talking about "quality" for because there's nothing wrong with the sound quality of CDs.

to each her/his own. it only takes a brief moment longer to throw on a record than a CD. these days a lot of vinyl comes with a free mp3 download if you want to burn a CD for the car or put it on your ipod or whatever. they are sometimes cheaper but if I just want to hear something I haven't heard before I'll torrent it anyway.

as for quality there may not be anything "wrong" with CDs, but they are absolutely inferior to a vinyl record

redbreegull
08-04-2014, 09:04 PM
I mean I guess it depends if you are using completely shit speakers then no, I would not recommend wasting money on a vinyl setup, but if the sound quality is really important to your listening experience CDs do not compare on nicer headphones or speakers

slunken
08-04-2014, 09:17 PM
the cure became my favourite band after the pumpkins broke up. i don't listen to them that much these days. like slunken, i'll throw on three imaginary boys or boys don't cry more than anything else. definitely check those out - three imaginary boys was the first official release in 79, and boys don't cry was sort of a compilation that came out the following year.

Three imaginary boys is the eu pressing and boys dont cry is the us pressing.

redbull
08-04-2014, 09:29 PM
f i r e i n c a i r o

noyen
08-04-2014, 09:49 PM
Three imaginary boys is the eu pressing and boys dont cry is the us pressing.

basically. just a few track differences. same weirdness with the walk and japanese whispers. one being called an album the other a compilation where both are compilations of singles. the smiths releases were kind of like this too. where it was really singles that evolved into albums.

bye june
08-04-2014, 11:09 PM
Sure they do.

They're a lot more resilient, the set up isn't as fiddly, it's more convenient than vinyl, they're much cheaper, and I don't know what you're talking about "quality" for because there's nothing wrong with the sound quality of CDs.

to each her/his own. it only takes a brief moment longer to throw on a record than a CD. these days a lot of vinyl comes with a free mp3 download if you want to burn a CD for the car or put it on your ipod or whatever. they are sometimes cheaper but if I just want to hear something I haven't heard before I'll torrent it anyway.

as for quality there may not be anything "wrong" with CDs, but they are absolutely inferior to a vinyl record

I mean I guess it depends if you are using completely shit speakers then no, I would not recommend wasting money on a vinyl setup, but if the sound quality is really important to your listening experience CDs do not compare on nicer headphones or speakers

CDs don't make any sense to buy anymore IMO

if you are interested in the sound quality you should stop wasting $$$ on CDs and just invest in a turntable. if you don't give a shit about that but are concerned with not stealing the music or whatever, just buy the mp3s (although this makes even less sense to me because you are essentially paying a dollar per track at complete shit quality)

I prefer CDs because:
1. I like to own the physical release.
2. I can play them in my car.
3. I can rip them to my computer.

I really only download music that I can't find on cd...or like itunes only stuff.

redbreegull
08-04-2014, 11:17 PM
again, whatever floats your boat, but most new vinyl comes with free mp3 download and they really do sound better

Shallowed
08-05-2014, 01:47 AM
they are absolutely inferior to a vinyl record

they really do sound better

You can stop that now.

Trotskilicious
08-05-2014, 01:53 AM
i see what your point is with the snobbiness he's got going but vinyl is better and for one big reason: the cover and the liner notes

Shallowed
08-05-2014, 02:05 AM
He's talking about sound quality. Yes the package is nice and stuff, personally I'm not overly emotionally invested in the front cover being four times larger than the CD's.

Sound wise, neither are "better". They're different.

Trotskilicious
08-05-2014, 04:09 AM
have you ever looked at the machina notes on vinyl? you might think differently about having large artwork.

faggot

Shallowed
08-05-2014, 05:28 AM
yes it's quite nice

larger artwork is nice

Cool As Ice Cream
08-05-2014, 05:43 AM
these days a lot of vinyl comes with a free mp3 download if you want to burn a CD for the car
this could be the cause of your problems with cds.

i have shit ears anyway, so to me it's not important.
the main difference for me is the kind of speakers. cd or vinyl doesn't really matter. sounds shit through shitty speakers, sounds good through decent boxes.

D.
08-05-2014, 09:03 AM
Cool. Vinyl vs CD debate. I bet we'll really get to the bottom of this debate once and for all ITT.

Cool As Ice Cream
08-05-2014, 09:29 AM
b&w ftw

Shallowed
08-05-2014, 09:58 AM
Listening to Boys Don't Cry (album) for the first time. Does the sound of this album and era of The Cure get compared to The Smiths a lot?

Jesus that noise at the end of Subway Song scared the shit out of me ferreal

noyen
08-05-2014, 05:09 PM
Listening to Boys Don't Cry (album) for the first time. Does the sound of this album and era of The Cure get compared to The Smiths a lot?

Jesus that noise at the end of Subway Song scared the shit out of me ferreal

they hate each other (robert smith and moz hate each other forever) but i don't think i've ever heard of sound comparisons all too much aside from the fact they were bands around the same time like a bunch of others that get lumped together as 80's 'modern/college rock" or whatever. maybe i guess. i've heard more comparisons to them and joy division in their "punk" days. there was a lot of sound debate between the cure and new order for a while and still is as to who ripped off who. there's a couple songs that have near identical bass and drum sounds.

slunken
08-05-2014, 09:01 PM
basically. just a few track differences. same weirdness with the walk and japanese whispers. one being called an album the other a compilation where both are compilations of singles. the smiths releases were kind of like this too. where it was really singles that evolved into albums.

This was probably the most common with early Rolling Stones records. What record companies did was, the US pressing is re-configured to i n clu de more tracks that were singles in the UK but US listeners more than likely hadn't heard.

redbreegull
08-05-2014, 09:51 PM
Sound wise, neither are "better". They're different.

well that's unfortunate for you that you can't hear the difference I guess. I'm not trying to be a snob and I don't really care about the artwork or liner notes. the sound is better on a vinyl record.

redbreegull
08-05-2014, 09:53 PM
This was probably the most common with early Rolling Stones records. What record companies did was, the US pressing is re-configured to i n clu de more tracks that were singles in the UK but US listeners more than likely hadn't heard.

I don't know anything about the stones but early beatles records are the same

Shallowed
08-05-2014, 10:06 PM
well that's unfortunate for you that you can't hear the difference I guess. I'm not trying to be a snob and I don't really care about the artwork or liner notes. the sound is better on a vinyl record.

Are you fucking retarded? I used the word "different". I can tell the difference. You can't claim that one or the other is "better" because that's a matter of subjective opinion.

You are being a giant snob whether or not you are trying to be. It's cool and all that you prefer vinyl because you think it sounds better, but what you choose to listen to and why is of no real concern to me. I can see the merit of both CDs and vinyl, you on the other hand are making out like anyone that prefers CDs over vinyl for whatever reason is an unenlightened pleb.

Your opinions are nothing new. It's all been said and heard before.

Shallowed
08-05-2014, 10:08 PM
Cool. Vinyl vs CD debate. I bet we'll really get to the bottom of this debate once and for all ITT.

He started it.

redbreegull
08-05-2014, 10:44 PM
Are you fucking retarded? I used the word "different". I can tell the difference. You can't claim that one or the other is "better" because that's a matter of subjective opinion.

You are being a giant snob whether or not you are trying to be. It's cool and all that you prefer vinyl because you think it sounds better, but what you choose to listen to and why is of no real concern to me. I can see the merit of both CDs and vinyl, you on the other hand are making out like anyone that prefers CDs over vinyl for whatever reason is an unenlightened pleb.

Your opinions are nothing new. It's all been said and heard before.

hey man don't tell me mp3s aren't as good as lossless it's all subjective man

redbreegull
08-05-2014, 10:44 PM
JUST DIFFERENT

Shallowed
08-05-2014, 10:54 PM
That's a completely different argument which I'm not making. Yes lossless is objectively better quality than mp3 is but I still don't beat people over the head for not listening to flac.

What "flac vs mp3" and "cd vs vinyl" format preferences do have in common though is that they all suit different needs.

Is this a difficult concept for you or are you just being a trolling jerk?

redbreegull
08-05-2014, 10:58 PM
There are newer digital formats that supposedly rival vinyl in fidelity to the original analog sound wave, but not a standard CD

Shallowed
08-05-2014, 11:13 PM
What of it?

Lucky Day Spa
08-05-2014, 11:15 PM
i recently read a summary of a study that claimed that vinyl is actually less detailed than lossless 16-bit/44.1k. i think the conclusion the authors drew was that vinyl sounds better than digital to a lot of people because of its idiosyncrasies and natural warming equalisation – but also because a lot of people are so used to vinyl that anything digital sounds wrong, even if it's a closer representation of the master

Lucky Day Spa
08-05-2014, 11:15 PM
i'll see if i can dredge up the link

it was around the time of the pono kickstarter

redbreegull
08-05-2014, 11:22 PM
but also because a lot of people are so used to vinyl that anything digital sounds wrong, even if it's a closer representation of the master

I would like to read that if you can find it. I have trouble buying the above though. Nearly anyone under the age of 35 will have heard far more music in digital formats than in analog.

redbreegull
08-05-2014, 11:35 PM
ps sorry I am being a dick, shallowed. i'm in a bad mood for some reason

Shallowed
08-05-2014, 11:42 PM
It's okay and stuff I guess

Lucky Day Spa
08-06-2014, 12:33 AM
I would like to read that if you can find it. I have trouble buying the above though. Nearly anyone under the age of 35 will have heard far more music in digital formats than in analog.

somehow i doubt the lifetime aggregate listening of digital vs. analogue factors as much as the predominant recent medium during close listening

no doubt there's a bit of placebo effect and sunk cost fallacy in there too (c.f. studies indicating people enjoy things like wine more if they're told it's expensive)

redbreegull
08-06-2014, 12:43 AM
somehow i doubt the lifetime aggregate listening of digital vs. analogue factors as much as the predominant recent medium during close listening

how does that make sense though? if the argument is that digital will never sound "correct" to ears used to listening to analog, why wouldn't young people reject the sound of analog as sounding "wrong" compared to the format they are used to, which for a long time was in fact marketed as having far higher capabilities than a vinyl record?

I don't doubt the rest of your argument, this just doesn't add up for me.

Lucky Day Spa
08-06-2014, 01:29 AM
i didn't say "never", that's an idea you've introduced. i was thinking more of people who've mostly listened to digital but are now vinyl converts.

and also yes, all else being equal i would expect vinyl to sound wrong at first, but that's where its status and expensiveness come into play and start warping impressionable young minds or whatever

Trotskilicious
08-06-2014, 03:23 AM
Cool. Vinyl vs CD debate. I bet we'll really get to the bottom of this debate once and for all ITT.

it's like abortion, and israel. RBG is gonna get down to the bottom of all of these questions.

Trotskilicious
08-06-2014, 03:33 AM
f i r e i n c a i r o

well i can tell these guys listened to chairs missing

edit: i seriously can't believe how old this band is

Trotskilicious
08-06-2014, 03:41 AM
i love it when shit like this happens. shit like when i go "oh hey i can hear the influence of a particular band in here" and then i read a bit more and viola:

Playing support for Wire (at Kent University in October 1978) gave Smith the idea "to follow a different course, to hold out against the punk wave ... Wire pointed out another direction to me."

Trotskilicious
08-06-2014, 03:52 AM
they hate each other (robert smith and moz hate each other forever) but i don't think i've ever heard of sound comparisons all too much aside from the fact they were bands around the same time like a bunch of others that get lumped together as 80's 'modern/college rock" or whatever. maybe i guess. i've heard more comparisons to them and joy division in their "punk" days. there was a lot of sound debate between the cure and new order for a while and still is as to who ripped off who. there's a couple songs that have near identical bass and drum sounds.

i sometimes wonder if we aren't literally thinking the same things at the same time, like the creative output just happens like that is a phenomenon. you think you're really original but another guy, in the same scene and basic circumstances is going to have similar ideas and our primitive monkey minds can't handle the fact that maybe we aren't as clever as we think we are and don't just put it down to a learned response

i'd have a better term for this if i wasn't so stoned, i've thought about it a lot, re: pyramids of maya and egypt.

Lucky Day Spa
08-06-2014, 05:02 AM
it's called multiple discovery

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_discovery

D.
08-06-2014, 03:40 PM
Saw a used "Boys Don't Cry" LP at HPB for $10.

Good deal?

slunken
08-06-2014, 05:01 PM
discogs.com

MeAndMyLlama
08-07-2014, 04:17 AM
Vinyl vs. whatever debates always make me feel bad.

Like I thought I was listening to music correctly the whole time but in comes somebody to tell me that my 28+ years of music listening was a fucking farce.

Trotskilicious
08-07-2014, 05:35 AM
only if you're fuzzyroses

opera de nuit
08-07-2014, 01:45 PM
i love it when shit like this happens. shit like when i go "oh hey i can hear the influence of a particular band in here" and then i read a bit more and viola:

Playing support for Wire (at Kent University in October 1978) gave Smith the idea "to follow a different course, to hold out against the punk wave ... Wire pointed out another direction to me."


ps if you guys are digging the three imaginary boys stuff a lot, check out the associates also on fiction records. bassist michael dempsey left and simon gallup joined for seventeen seconds, and dempsey joined the associates, who continue with the jittery, energetic vibe. robert smith also sings backup vox on 'the affectionate punch.'

opera de nuit
08-07-2014, 01:48 PM
also if you want to hear a really convincing cure clone band (circa head on the door), check this out:

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and if you want cure + new order, there's always clan of xymox...

slunken
08-07-2014, 06:15 PM
I you love the great taste of Pepsi you'll absolutely love new Crystal Clear Pepsi.

Elphenor
08-07-2014, 06:41 PM
Why would you want any of those things.

Trotskilicious
08-08-2014, 04:13 AM
it's called multiple discovery

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_discovery

they really should broaden this more to describe artistic trends

that's it exactly, its the same mathematical concept. x is immersed in y and produces z

simpsons did it

Cool As Ice Cream
08-08-2014, 08:57 AM
i love it when shit like this happens. shit like when i go "oh hey i can hear the influence of a particular band in here" and then i read a bit more and viola:

*voilą

killtrocity
08-08-2014, 03:44 PM
Still only heard that album, Pornography and Disintegration though. Disintegration is by far the best that I've heard. Anything else by them that's similar to that kind of dream pop like sound on Disintegration?

Bloodflowers comes closest, but isn't quite as good imo. The ones you mentioned are easily the best, though

killtrocity
08-08-2014, 03:47 PM
and if you want cure + new order, there's always clan of xymox...

dude these guys are sick. Way bleaker than the cure or new order

Trotskilicious
08-09-2014, 12:29 AM
viola is an instrument haha

that's a pretty good malapropism, which i think we should rename to monteism

redbreegull
08-09-2014, 01:58 AM
dogberryism

http://www.nerdspan.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/much-ago-dogberry.jpg

The exploding boy
10-17-2014, 12:29 PM
Pretty fucking shitty this thread happened when i wasn't around.

Not cool.

I feel like my obviously highly valued opinion on all things Cure would have really made the difference.

Though in my extremely unfortunate and untimely absence noyen did admirably. But you know, noyen is not EXACTLY me.

The exploding boy
10-17-2014, 12:44 PM
And yeah Bloodflowers fucking sucks. Trilogy my fucking ass. More like Smith realised "hey my most well received records are the darker ones like Pornography and Disintegration, i'm gonna hype this one saying it's just kinda like those" nice try. I mean I prefer Wild Mood Swings to Bloodflowers. Which says a lot. Not that WMS is really any good. I'd say i blame Lol for the dragged out court case between Wish and WMS which i'd like to think caused Smith to lose vision of what the band was but let's face it, shades of future shittiness were already apparent on Wish and THEN really apparent around the time they did like.... Dredd Song.

The Cure remains a band whose body of work has to be analyzed more by songs than records which is why i still always recommend newcomers start with Standing on the beach (or like Galore or whatever other singles compilations they did, i haven't kept track).

I think Disintegration is the only perfect record they made. KMKMKM has about 7 or 8 songs too many (Fight fight fight? jesus christ..not even their 2000s stuff is THAT bad). Head on the Door has The Blood and Screw.....I suppose Faith or Seventeen Seconds are really pretty even, but at 8 songs, it's hard to really fuck it up. And while i got into the Cure during Wish Era, I don't like it as much as i used to. their last good record for sure though. Anything after that is not worth bothering.

I have this theory which kinda isn't one but pretty much the actual truth, that the Cure started going downhill when Smith decided shitty acoustic guitar strumming (well that's a redundant sentence, its an acoustic guitar being strummed, of course it's shitty) was needed in every fucking song. Listen to bloodflowers, it's there. And it all started in wish era.

Also you haven't lived if you haven't heard THIS version of A Forest (also everyone should own Show and In orange, i assume they're both on dvd now? I still only have them on vhs tapes...):

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And sure Smith is the brain and all but i wouldn't take the Cure without Gallup. Well it started without and to be fair Michael Dempsey's basslines are great but he was basically sacked because Smith wanted more simplistic lines. Also from 82 to 84 gallup left...marking the only so so period in the cure's 80's career if you ask me...the top and all (though japanese whispers is alright, and the caterpillar is a great song). Coincidence? I don't think so. Though the very commercial turn they took then is what allowed them to breakthrough so to speak.

I picked an instrument the first time because of the cure, a bass because of Gallup. I learned to play 90% on cure songs the first two years or so. I have a black semi hollow bass because of that Dick Knight custom he has (seen in the above vid, and yeah i think he copied that on Peter Hook's Eccleshall but y'know...). I was the bassist in a cure tribute band for like 6 months once (shameful i know, i was young and needed the...well there was no money). Basically what i'm saying is....... if i could fuck him, i might. (especially since he's the only one that still looks any good....) Simple but efficient and melodic bass playing, you could learn that from worse.

Mals Marola
10-17-2014, 12:53 PM
head on the door feels too unfocused to me, although it has some banger songs on it

it seems like the most focused and concise, perfect "statement" they ever made
probably my favorite release from them, though i ain't opposed to disintegration, faith and japanese whispers either

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always had a thing for the self-titled album too, that was i guess the album that was out when i first started actually getting into them
remember seeing the end of the world video at some summer camp thing while mtv-whatever-the-hell was playing good videos

houseofglass11
10-17-2014, 02:24 PM
Trots been spouting off his expert opinion on this board forever, yet he never listened to the Cure before? What a loser. Everything Trots has ever said should be suspect and taken with a MASSIVE GRAIN OF SALT.

Mals Marola
10-17-2014, 02:30 PM
lotta bands out there takes time to listen to all the bands

Trotskilicious
10-17-2014, 06:05 PM
Seriously get fucked

Elphenor
10-17-2014, 06:18 PM
Fight, fight, fight is awesome EB

Cheezy and OTT as hell, but still awesome

Elphenor
10-17-2014, 08:59 PM
This is one of those bands where I wish I could erase my memory of ever hearing them so I could experience it all again.

I've really burnt them out and it's sad

Trotskilicious
10-17-2014, 09:24 PM
Yup thats me and pixies, zep, sleater kinney radiohead etc

Take them out of rotation entirely for a while, worked for me & sp

Trotskilicious
10-17-2014, 09:25 PM
And s-k, really. Im so excited for the box set next week i keep pissing myself

noyen
10-17-2014, 09:28 PM
Pretty fucking shitty this thread happened when i wasn't around.

Not cool.

I feel like my obviously highly valued opinion on all things Cure would have really made the difference.

Though in my extremely unfortunate and untimely absence noyen did admirably. But you know, noyen is not EXACTLY me.

indeed. i hate to, but i agree completely on this trilogy thing. i know for fact it was never conceived of that way and it it's just marketing bullshit. no one would take bloodflowers seriously if he didnt try to add some incentive to giving it a listen. i almost didn't. but it turned out there were a lot of things i liked on bloodflowers. there is some good stuff on there. way better than self titled or 4:13 dream. but 4:13 dream had underneath the stars which is basically a re-write of an instrumental on lost wishes and is pretty fantastic standout to me. anyway, i think the whole ross robinson as producer thing was a HUGE mistake and i think they realize this and i expect some sort of return to form again as they are doing atleast another album. it was supposed to be out this year. but you know, as a cure fan, he says this stuff all the time. the robert smith solo album he apparently already recorded. all the reissues that just stopped.

the glove tho, i have been listening to that reissue with robert smith vocals and suddenly that album is amazing. it's a perfect companion to the head on the door and the top. Jeanette Landray was a huge mistake. i am so glad he agreed to let that stuff out. of course it was steve severins idea too and not roberts. i really think it's good with his vocals. just like WHY did they not just put those "demos" out. they sound just great.

noyen
10-17-2014, 09:29 PM
And s-k, really. Im so excited for the box set next week i keep pissing myself

you getting that LOSER colored vinyl? it looks cool. i wish i had money i'd buy it. i'm too busy buying mogwai and mark kozelek records i can't afford :(

christian zombie vampires
10-17-2014, 09:46 PM
i recently have got into the cure a bit too, head on the door is an amazing album, every song on it is a masterpiece.

The exploding boy
10-17-2014, 09:57 PM
i recently have got into the cure a bit too, head on the door is an amazing album, every song on it is a masterpiece.

no i already said The Blood and Screw are bad. This is just fact. Get with the program!:noway:


noyen im surprised you actually kinda even listen to their current stuff. I did give a shot to like 2 or 3 songs on 4:13 (and saw them live on that tour actually which means i probably heard more like 6 or 7) but i just couldn't even... and i'm pretty sure i did give a short listen to some songs on the self titled. I have stopped hoping the cure still had anything left to offer when BF came out (at the time i did really like Out of this world though, i actually remember listening to that song a lot on the way back from the UC/metro shows chicago trip, but now i don't know).

On the other hand it's unfair to expect of a band to just release the same stuff they wrote 20 to 30 years ago. but i guess i don't expect. They earned the right to suck now and just tour on the strength of their old stuff.

Elphenor
10-17-2014, 10:00 PM
The Blood is one of the best Cure songs

Screw is also pretty great

Untroo fan

The exploding boy
10-17-2014, 10:02 PM
no you are. What's next? You're gonna tell me you love Torture? (actually musically it's alright but those lyrics and that singing...)

The exploding boy
10-17-2014, 10:02 PM
HANGING LIKE THIS LIKE A VAMPIRE BAT


I call this pandering to the goths.

Elphenor
10-17-2014, 10:03 PM
TORTURE IS FUCKING AMAZING LYRICS AND ALL DUDE YOU FUCKING SUCK

The exploding boy
10-17-2014, 10:03 PM
The Blood is one of the best Cure songs

Screw is also pretty great

Untroo fan

seriously though one of the cure's BEST!?!? Like top ten best?!?!

The exploding boy
10-17-2014, 10:04 PM
TORTURE IS FUCKING AMAZING LYRICS AND ALL DUDE YOU FUCKING SUCK

:noway:

wow. normally i wouldn't play that card understand because i think it's fucking lame but now i'm just gonna blame it on youth

Elphenor
10-17-2014, 10:04 PM
I feel like if you don't like Torture or Fight Fight Fight you don't really fully like The Cure

Part of them is the super melodramatic vocals

The exploding boy
10-17-2014, 10:06 PM
See how am i supposed to think you know what good lyrics are now. I mean you go on about Mark E smith and now i think yeah but if he thinks torture is amazing lyrics...

Even if you claimed smith was being ironic (which i dont think so, one of the thing he said about Moz is that he though this irony schtick was just boring or something like that), it would still be bad.

Elphenor
10-17-2014, 10:09 PM
The Torture lyrics are good because added with the vocals Robert Smith has a way of portraying everything as so intense that it's painful even things like Sex

The exploding boy
10-17-2014, 10:10 PM
I feel like if you don't like Torture or Fight Fight Fight you don't really fully like The Cure

Part of them is the super melodramatic vocals

no. that's when the cure is bad. Like you know i can buy it when he's singing disintegration (the song), i believe he was on the verge of tears singing a lot of these songs like he claims, but when he does the oh oh ohs ah ah ahs inside ou-ou-out dea-ea-ead and all the hundred other three syllables or words he sings three times on kmkmkm (seriously i studied this, kiss me kiss me kiss me, show me show me show me, oh ohoh sah ah ah, i think kmkmkm should have been called Three, its all about repeats of three) it's just lame attempt at...emotion..and...i dont know..vocal styling.

Elphenor
10-17-2014, 10:11 PM
seriously though one of the cure's BEST!?!? Like top ten best?!?!

Hell yeah, that Spanish style guitar is fucking righteous

Elphenor
10-17-2014, 10:14 PM
no. that's when the cure is bad. Like you know i can buy it when he's singing disintegration (the song), i believe he was on the verge of tears singing a lot of these songs like he claims, but when he does the oh oh ohs ah ah ahs inside ou-ou-out dea-ea-ead and all the hundred other three syllables or words he sings three times on kmkmkm (seriously i studied this, kiss me kiss me kiss me, show me show me show me, oh ohoh sah ah ah, i think kmkmkm should have been called Three, its all about repeats of three) it's just lame attempt at...emotion..and...i dont know..vocal styling.

Well I mean, all of that is on purpose and idk I think you just don't get it.

Again Untroo Fan

Elphenor
10-17-2014, 10:16 PM
To be fair, The Cure were my favorite band until I overplayed them and got into The Fall.

Up until Wish, I don't think they had a single bad song or even weak song.

The Baby Screams is the closest they got to a bad song.

The exploding boy
10-17-2014, 10:18 PM
See i think a good fan can be objective. Otherwise you might as well just rate all their songs a 7 or plus like they were on chain of flowers site. Well when i used to go there like 12 years ago.

Elphenor
10-17-2014, 10:19 PM
Actually, I think The Kiss is pretty boring.

But otherwise, yeah, flawless

noyen
10-17-2014, 10:22 PM
Robert smith is my idol still. I still like him. I don't think he is a dick or delusional and I don't care if he is fat and balding and hanging on to his youth because I still think he is relevant an amazing songwriter.. And I don't even like recent cure stuff at all. The most recent things I can think of loving are a song for a tribute to john martyr called "small hours". its amazing. And crystal castles stuff was okay. Better than thr deep house shit. But I am a 38 year old teenager.

Elphenor
10-17-2014, 10:23 PM
This demo might be my favorite thing by them

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noyen
10-17-2014, 10:24 PM
hey stick to the fall. your 2 word thoughts on songs suck and you don't get the kiss until you've had acid and hate and love someone so much killing them is a sexual fantasy.

noyen
10-17-2014, 10:24 PM
Just stop okay.

Elphenor
10-17-2014, 10:25 PM
The Cure need a Rockumentary or a book by one of the members or SOMETHING

I really dig that stuff, the history and everything, and most big bands have some form of additional media to read or watch

noyen
10-17-2014, 10:28 PM
they do. just stop though. rockunentary?

Elphenor
10-17-2014, 10:30 PM
Oh you're right they do now. Right on

The exploding boy
10-17-2014, 10:32 PM
hey stick to the fall. your 2 word thoughts on songs suck and you don't get the kiss until you've had acid and hate and love someone so much killing them is a sexual fantasy.

This reminds me that I wonder how Lol felt when Robert was singing Shiver and Shake. did he know it was about him? I mean i don't think he's ever said it was but it seems pretty fucking obvious. Actually what am i saying, he was probably drunk somewhere, busy NOT being in the studio. But when he heard it the first time, wherever that was.

Elphenor
10-17-2014, 10:32 PM
Oh wait, this is that garbage that doesn't even have a right to any of the original music nvm

The exploding boy
10-17-2014, 10:35 PM
oh god do you mean that british tv crap? I saw this on youtube once, well some minutes of it. Fucking awful. The fake tunes meant to sound like the cure songs. Terrible.

noyen
10-17-2014, 10:38 PM
Elph, buy the book 10 imaginary years, a visual history and if you want MTV shit there is an MTV icon show as well as a few unauthorized shit bios on YouTube. go to chain of flowers website and read all 15 billion pages. find the articles roger wrote about thr disintegration sessions and wish. there is tons of stuff out there for troop fans.

Mals Marola
10-17-2014, 10:39 PM
lol
i love it when the producers try and do that
there was this blur audio thing where some guy was just talkin about the band and there was this pseudo-britipop thing that would play in the background that i actually looked forward to every time

the kiss is pretty great though i agree that's a weird one to uh single out what the hellman

This reminds me that I wonder how Lol felt when Robert was singing Shiver and Shake. did he know it was about him? I mean i don't think he's ever said it was but it seems pretty fucking obvious. Actually what am i saying, he was probably drunk somewhere, busy NOT being in the studio. But when he heard it the first time, wherever that was.

i think by that point he would have gotten the message

noyen
10-17-2014, 10:39 PM
This reminds me that I wonder how Lol felt when Robert was singing Shiver and Shake. did he know it was about him? I mean i don't think he's ever said it was but it seems pretty fucking obvious. Actually what am i saying, he was probably drunk somewhere, busy NOT being in the studio. But when he heard it the first time, wherever that was.

Hah a lot was about Lol. Poor guy. I feel bad for him sometimes. He was tortured a lot. I guess they've made their peace and joke about it now but jeez. Talk about humiliation.

Mals Marola
10-17-2014, 10:41 PM
i don't know too much about it aside from one day he's the drummer and the next he's just sort of holding a trumpet occasionally

noyen
10-17-2014, 10:42 PM
Who the fuck is this mals malora person? Why are there dozens of new 20 something idiots here? lol! LOL! Lool.

The exploding boy
10-17-2014, 10:42 PM
That icon show is ALSO fucking embarrassing. The bands they have..seriously...it's like if that's the people you influenced...but of course they influenced GOOD bands, just not those bad ones.

This reminds me i had an argument with an ex once about how you know she thought The Cure was just lame and in no way as influential as Talking Heads. This was just a handful of years before the post punk/new wave revival too so it was harder for me to find examples even if there were already a lot...

I mean TH is extremely influential too but i'm not sure i can pick which one is most between the two.

noyen
10-17-2014, 10:43 PM
i don't know too much about it aside from one day he's the drummer and the next he's just sort of holding a trumpet occasionally

LOL SHUT THE FUCK UP WWW.LIVEJOURNAL.COM. GIVE ME A BREAK OH JESUS CHRIST.

Elphenor
10-17-2014, 10:44 PM
the kiss is pretty great though i agree that's a weird one to uh single out what the hellman



Yeah idk, I get why people like it and I've tried but meh

Mals Marola
10-17-2014, 10:46 PM
gee i really hit a nerve with that lol tolhurst comment didn't i

noyen
10-17-2014, 10:47 PM
That icon show is ALSO fucking embarrassing. The bands they have..seriously...it's like if that's the people you influenced...but of course they influenced GOOD bands, just not those bad ones.

This reminds me i had an argument with an ex once about how you know she thought The Cure was just lame and in no way as influential as Talking Heads. This was just a handful of years before the post punk/new wave revival too so it was harder for me to find examples even if there were already a lot...

I mean TH is extremely influential too but i'm not sure i can pick which one is most between the two.

The icon thing was terrible. I do like thr deftones cover though. I think its good. The rest cringe. I dont think talking heads were so much influential as they were a collection of influences and better... Like... Blondie. Awful. The cure were equally influenced by tons of things but I think had a much larger cultural impact and fans that created an identity where you can spot cure fans a mile away. just kind of a central common thing to a billion other things.

noyen
10-17-2014, 10:49 PM
gee i really hit a nerve with that lol tolhurst comment didn't i

What? "Lord, shut up!" is a tolhurst comment? lol'd shut up would have been clever been not as some type of rep quip. calm down there sport, don't get so worked up.

The exploding boy
10-17-2014, 10:51 PM
Hah a lot was about Lol. Poor guy. I feel bad for him sometimes. He was tortured a lot. I guess they've made their peace and joke about it now but jeez. Talk about humiliation.

Yeah i agree. I mean he was useless for some years and actually..most...but...put the guy out of his misery you know. This was a case of standing by your friend for too long. Feeling some sort of sense of loyalty that shouldn't have been there. I mean, Lol COULD have learned to play keyboard properly (not like cure lines are hard) could have learned to be better on drums. He just didn't try, he was too punk for it (well i saw him in like mid 80s interviews saying he still saw himself as punk).... And Smith just drove him MORE into alcohol i'm sure, the way he was handled, the shit he'd say in interviews with him RIGHT THERE. And I think he wouldn't have taken care of it too if the band hadn't given him an ultimatum over it Lol probably would have died.

Mals Marola
10-17-2014, 10:56 PM
What? "Lord, shut up!" is a tolhurst comment? lol'd shut up would have been clever been not as some type of rep quip. calm down there sport, don't get so worked up.

shit you're right i really should have put more thought into that personal rep comment
your post was douchey so i negged it who cares
aside from you i guess, and your all caps "hissy fit," lol.
take your own advice

noyen
10-17-2014, 11:00 PM
shit you're right i really should have put more thought into that personal rep comment
your post was douchey so i negged it who cares
aside from you i guess, and your all caps "hissy fit," lol.
take your own advice

you're new here.

noyen
10-17-2014, 11:03 PM
Yeha i agree. I mean he was useless for some years and actually..most...but...put the guy out of his misery you know. This was a case of standing by your friend for too long. Feeling some sort of sense of loyalty that shouldn't have been there. I mean, Lol COULD have learned to play keyboard properly (not like cure lines are hard) could have learned to be better on drums. He just didn't try, he was too punk for it (well i saw him in liek mid 80s interviews saying he still saw himself as punk).... And Smith just drove him MORE into alcohol i'm sure, the way he was handled, the shit he'd say in itnerviews with him RIGHT THERE. And I think he wouldn't have taken care of it too if the band hadn't given him an ultimatum over it by the rest of the band and Lol probably would have died.

Totally.. They kept him around as a muse. His solo stuff now is okay, he's married and seemingly happy and sober now which is nice to see. He even talks to them and jokes around about it now and was even invited on stage (I think) on a recent tour.

An aside... Simon has kids... His oldest in a pretty terrible band called in Tyler we trust. And porl... You heard he is now Pearl and has gone through a sex change.

The exploding boy
10-17-2014, 11:21 PM
Yeah lol played live with them some time in the last couple of years. it's good, you wouldn't think they would veer have..but age does that. Some shit just really stops to matter, things change.

And i also know about Simon's son, i checked out his band like maybe a couple of years back. Its fucking embarrassing. Emo shit. "Look dad me too!" "No....no son...just no"

And about Porl, i jsut wasn't surprised. It's kinda just sad that it happens now. I mean...seems liek he probably wasted a lot of years unhappy in his body.

Dogfighter28
11-07-2014, 10:24 AM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c5/TheCureJoinTheDots.jpg


Stumbled across this in mint condition at a local record store. Seems like it could be their version of TAFH. Cool booklet included in the set.

Favorite b-sides? I haven't listened to them yet. I have a good guess at the poster above me's preference.

Elphenor
11-07-2014, 10:30 AM
It's great

Plastic Passion
Do the Hansa
The Upstairs Room
Speak My Language
Fear of Ghosts

Dogfighter28
11-07-2014, 10:30 AM
and Bloodflowers sucks, really? I completely disagree. It's easily in my top 5 cure albums.

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Dogfighter28
11-07-2014, 10:38 AM
I mean I guess I understand if you don't like their slow jams but what

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The exploding boy
11-07-2014, 10:42 AM
Best cure b-side is 2 Late.

That it DIDN'T make it on Disintegration is criminal. Well, surely something about pace or whatever but still. It wouldn't have been more out of place than say, Lovesong.

I remember in like 2000 i spent weeks trying napster and other file sharing programs to find all the cure rarities and bsides i could and it took me a long time to assemble a pretty impressive folder full of them. And THEN a few years later The Cure conveniently releases most of this shit on record.... It kinda annoyed me. Though there's probably 80's cure fans who would read this and think fuck you i actually had to go to independent record stores or exchange bootlegs through the mail to get those. Still though, i've got stuff they never released.

Elphenor
11-07-2014, 10:45 AM
Bloodflowers is pretty boring

Edit: At least in my opinion

Dogfighter28
11-07-2014, 11:00 AM
Can we at least all agree that Wild Mood Swings is pretty much the worst thing ever

I think the Teargarden songs might be the only thing that sinks lower

Elphenor
11-07-2014, 11:01 AM
Yeah Wild Mood Swings does indeed suck

Dogfighter28
11-07-2014, 08:50 PM
Ok here's my top 5

1. Pornography
2. Disintegration
3. Faith
4. The Head on the Door
5. Bloodflowers

I lied, it wasn't easy. I could just as easily list Seventeen Seconds there. Wish would be just behind that one.

slunken
11-07-2014, 09:07 PM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c5/TheCureJoinTheDots.jpg


Favorite b-sides?

sugar girl :cry:

null123
11-07-2014, 09:18 PM
The Kiss is a banger

The exploding boy
11-07-2014, 09:56 PM
My ranking would be like

1 - Disintegration
2 - 17 seconds
3 - The head on the door
4 - KMKMKM (despite finding nearly half of it nearly unlistenable, I just pretend its a ten songs record)
5 - Faith
6 - Pornography
7 - Wish
8 - Three imaginary boys
9 - The top
10 - WMS
11 - Bloodflowers
12 and on- whatever other bullshit they released after that


Pretty much after Three imaginary boys it doesn't matter that much to me. Even if the top has its moment. Also depending on the days i mght rate wish lower or even maybe higher. It IS the record that got me into The Cure so... It was still their last good record. Not great but good. But some songs on it havent aged well for me.

I don't care how GAY it is but i like the 13th on WMS. And at the time i thought Mint car was alright if also a little bit too GAY.

sugar girl :cry:

I don't suppose you'll ever know the how to keep her, amirite?

slunken
11-07-2014, 10:04 PM
i was trying to think of my cure album purchase chronology and i think it's something like:

bloodflowers when it comes out
disintegration
kiss me x3 on vinyl a few year later used
boys don't cry
head on the door
japanese whispers
the vhs singles thing
join the dots

by that time i was purchasing the deluxe reissues of the first 3 or 4 albums so like whenever the reissue of 17 seconds came out that was the first time i heard that album. as an example.

toase
11-07-2014, 10:26 PM
so much love for japanese whispers

slunken
11-07-2014, 10:31 PM
my favorite cure material is still that speed-pop sound.

it's timeless.

slunken
11-07-2014, 10:33 PM
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Dogfighter28
11-07-2014, 10:44 PM
The Walk is my jam

Elphenor
11-08-2014, 09:56 AM
God Tier

1. 17 Seconds
2. Disintegration

A+

3. Faith
4. Pornography
5. KMKMKM
6. Head on the Door

A

7. Three Imaginary Boys
8. The Top
9. Wish

B

10. 4:13 Dream

Ranking just the albums that matter

Elphenor
11-08-2014, 10:04 AM
Words can't express my love for the songs that go all Jazzy though ie Lovecats and Speak my Language

Mals Marola
11-08-2014, 10:21 AM
17 seconds is so overrated

faith & pornography both trump it easily, i mean the forest and assorted other tracks are cool but come on

i got join the dots as a christmas present in high school & obv that was one of the coolest christmas presents i ever got, still don't think i've made it through the whole thing though but damn what a cool release. some beautiful stuff on there, in retrospect this one in particular stuck out to me for whatever reason, without having the tracklisting or anything in front of me

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Dogfighter28
11-08-2014, 10:24 AM
At Night is so underrated tho

Elphenor
11-08-2014, 10:30 AM
17 seconds is so overrated

faith & pornography both trump it easily, i mean the forest and assorted other tracks are cool but come on


No no no

If the only album The Cure ever released was 17 Seconds they'd still be one of the greatest bands ever

Mals Marola
11-08-2014, 10:31 AM
i know people could say this for all the albums but that is one to me that sounds truly, truly better live than on the record

actually i kinda wanna compile or maybe find a show where they played the whole thing (i.e. pornography, disintegration, bloodflowers? was that done for 17 seconds ever? i feel like it was but that coulda been a dream) and just listen to that when i'm hankerin' for the 17 sec

The exploding boy
11-08-2014, 10:31 AM
I think al songs on seventeen secons are good. Well except maybe the final sound which actually was supposed to be much longer but they ran out of tape...


I do find Pornography a bit overrated and the thing is, all the songs on it are so much better live, to an extent that it makes it harder for me to enjoy the record versions. Like one hundred years and the figurehead are so much better on Paris. It's a shame Charlotte Sometimes isn't on it (also a song that is loads better live). This is probably my favorite early 80's cure song. At least in all those released between 79 to 85. Faith is better than Pornograhy I feel.

Elphenor
11-08-2014, 10:32 AM
It's not only the greatest Goth album of all time, but it manages to also be the greatest New Wave album of all time as well. It's the perfect blend

Edit: talking about 17 seconds

Mals Marola
11-08-2014, 10:33 AM
No no no

If the only album The Cure ever released was 17 Seconds they'd still be one of the greatest bands ever

yeah not really, it's a notable reaction to joy division at best with some cool singles

faith was better and pornography just set it all in stone, they were their own thing

It's not only the greatest Goth album of all time, but it manages to also be the greatest New Wave album of all time as well. It's the perfect blend

Edit: talking about 17 seconds

it's just always sounded kinda limp and transitional to me, a preparation for the greatness to come

The exploding boy
11-08-2014, 10:33 AM
i know people could say this for all the albums but that is one to me that sounds truly, truly better live than on the recordc

Ah. yeah see that's the problem i have with pornography as i just said.

And yes 17 seconds was played live in its entirety. They ended up doing this for all their records i think?

Mals Marola
11-08-2014, 10:35 AM
i think there was an "alternate trilogy" thing where they did seventeen, faith, and pornography or something, after the original p, d, & bf thing they did

Elphenor
11-08-2014, 10:35 AM
It's great live too

Play for Today is the greatest song Smith ever wrote

Mals Marola
11-08-2014, 10:36 AM
in short: gotta find one of the better boots of that thing asap

Mals Marola
11-08-2014, 10:36 AM
Play for Today is the greatest song Smith ever wrote

it's a cool song but cot-damn if that ain't an insult to the guy's career

Elphenor
11-08-2014, 10:38 AM
I love Pornography but I only can listen to it as whole to really enjoy it. Similarly 17 seconds is way better listened to as a whole. With Faith though, there's those catchy basslines that I can plug right into without having to settle into the atmosphere

I still listen to Other Voices probably daily

Mals Marola
11-08-2014, 10:39 AM
yeah i love that about faith, easily my favorite of that particular trilogy

i like pornography but it really is so fucking heavy-handed, haha

Elphenor
11-08-2014, 10:41 AM
IT DOESN'T MATTER IF WE ALL DIE

If that was any other band I'd roll my eyes but that riff is just the embodiment of dread

The exploding boy
11-08-2014, 11:21 AM
It's great live too

Play for Today is the greatest song Smith ever wrote

I don't know greatest song Smith wrote, but it's certainly one of the greatest bassline Gallup ever wrote. I would still rank it as song i played most in my life, probably.

I made this list a long time ago, this is The Cure by bassline. Couldn't put them in order though. Best 25 basslines in cure song in my opinion. I mean it's a band that defined their sound on it so i find its kinda relevant. I credited who, as far as we know going by songwriting credits (which sometimes means shit i know), wrote it. And yes, a lot are the singles. I had to leave a lot out

Top 25 cure basslines (in no order)

Jumping someone else's train (Dempsey)
Accuracy (Dempsey)
Grinding Halt (Dempsey)
Another journey by train (Gallup)
A forest (Gallup)
Play for Today (Gallup)
In your house (Gallup)
Other Voices (Gallup)
Doubt (Gallup)
Charlotte Sometimes (Gallup)
The figurehead (Gallup)
The hanging garden (Gallup)
The Lovecats (Thornalley)
Push (Smith)
A night like this (Smith)
Close to me (Smith)
Catch (Gallup)
How beautiful you are (Gallup)
Icing sugar (Gallup)
Fascination street (Gallup)
Lovesong (Gallup)
Lullaby (Gallup)
Trust (Gallup)
A foolish arrangement (Gallup)
The 13th (Gallup)


Honorable mentions: From the edge of the deep green sea, Dressing up, To wish impossible things, Like Cockatoos, The Holy Hour, Faith, Jupiter Crash, The Walk, a bunch of others i forget right now

Dogfighter28
11-08-2014, 12:03 PM
The recorded a concert film of trilogy 2 which was Three Imaginary Boys, 17, and Faith. Never released it. They are sitting on a bunch of stuff and I'm wondering if it will ever come out before the band ends

Mals Marola
11-09-2014, 12:17 PM
The recorded a concert film of trilogy 2 which was Three Imaginary Boys, 17, and Faith. Never released it. They are sitting on a bunch of stuff and I'm wondering if it will ever come out before the band ends

sounds familiar

i think i might enjoy that one more than the existing "trilogy" recording, if only for the more extreme differences in album vs. the performances of each, in the cases of those albums at least