View Full Version : Better late than never Mr. Noam Chomsky:


The Omega Concern
07-08-2014, 12:30 PM
Are there any Obamatards left? part deux...

The Omega Concern
07-08-2014, 12:33 PM
Chomsky: Obama ‘Determined To Demolish The Foundations Of Our Civil Liberties’


Progressive hero Noam Chomsky is terrified of the surveillance state that has developed during the tenure of President Barack Obama, calling it a grave threat to our fundamental civil liberties.


“It is of no slight import that the project is being executed in one of the freest countries in the world, and in radical violation of the U.S. Constitution’s Bill of Rights, which protects citizens from ‘unreasonable searches and seizures,’ and guarantees the privacy of their persons, houses, papers and effects,” Chomsky said.

“Much as government lawyers may try, there is no way to reconcile these principles with the assault on the population revealed in the Snowden documents.”






http://dailycaller.com/2014/06/04/chomsky-obama-determined-to-demolish-the-foundations-of-our-civil-liberties/#ixzz36toR46fU

scottytheoneand
07-08-2014, 04:07 PM
Rest in piss Noam Chomsky!

scottytheoneand
07-08-2014, 04:08 PM
Noam Chomsky waited 80 years to criticize big government!

scottytheoneand
07-08-2014, 04:09 PM
He Chomsky! Stop repeating the liberal media narrative and talk about our rights!

Trotskilicious
07-08-2014, 05:24 PM
hahahahaha jesus christ

The Omega Concern
07-08-2014, 05:37 PM
Noam Chomsky waited 80 years to criticize big government!



It just took a full-fledged despot that he initially voted for to see the light.

Twas easy to see if you looked, but most progressives bought the lie: that Barack Obama is a character created by the good folks at the weather underground to follow the Saul Alinsky protocols and induce the Howard-Cliven strategy to undermine America. A character played by one Barry Seotoro.

Trotskilicious
07-08-2014, 06:40 PM
did he vote for obama? i find that hard to believe

you seem to be profoundly unfamiliar with chomsky, which is very amusing to us right now

Trotskilicious
07-08-2014, 06:41 PM
and by very i mean incredibly

he's just been one of those "liberal boogey-men" to you until now, huh? remarkable.

scottytheoneand
07-08-2014, 07:15 PM
name a president Chomsky hasn't completely skewered

Trotskilicious
07-08-2014, 07:46 PM
the guy has been a profound critic of the status quo for some time now

thing is, his theories are logically sound and don't rely on a secretive cabal of satanistic evildoers to conduct

like in Manufacturing Consent where he and Edward Herman go over the ways popular media creates consent of the government. it's not because there's some kind of cabal at work, it's the best interests of humans, it's in the media's best interest to keep getting access to these people so they have to respect the opinions and the government is acting in their best interests as well, which may be because of a secret evil pedo cabal

what i like about the manufacturing consent theory is that it doesn't put the media in cahoots with the pedo cabal, basically they are the unwitting mouthpiece of a system

ultimately i think systems are what rule us all, not this secret pedo cabal. everyone's doing what is best for their system WATCH THE WIRE GODDAMNIT

Order 66
07-08-2014, 09:58 PM
i agree but the main thing is he has a faggy name. noam is something you call a lawn gnome. maybe he he wasn't so narrow minded he'd still be alive

The Omega Concern
07-09-2014, 08:32 PM
did he vote for obama? i find that hard to believe

you seem to be profoundly unfamiliar with chomsky, which is very amusing to us right now

as I understand it, yes, he supported the Democratic candidate in '08.

Bread Regal
07-09-2014, 08:49 PM
Man you must literally know nothing about Noam Chomsky.

edit: i see trots has already covered that.

Bread Regal
07-09-2014, 08:54 PM
No, it manufactures consent, or at least attempts to constantly.

yeah that's the name of the book you didn't read/understand, good job.<hg>

Trotskilicious
07-09-2014, 08:54 PM
literally goddamn nothing

Bread Regal
07-09-2014, 08:55 PM
but we've been over this before

The Omega Concern
07-09-2014, 08:59 PM
the guy has been a profound critic of the status quo for some time now

thing is, his theories are logically sound and don't rely on a secretive cabal of satanistic evildoers to conduct



ultimately i think systems are what rule us all, not this secret pedo cabal. everyone's doing what is best for their system WATCH THE WIRE GODDAMNIT



the cabal exist, there is a flow chart. How they operate is comparable to NFL owners in that they are in competition with each other for the same prize: Which of them is going to control the 'global governance' shitbag they have in store for us.


Some of them puppeteer'd 9/11 for many reasons, a big one being the Patriot Act, which brought groups like the Christian Coalition the ACLU together to condemn. It all has led us to the very thing Chomsky recognizes as supremely dangerous, yet Chomsky doesn't understand the manipulation of 9/11. In that regard, he's more status quo than ultimate truth seeker and therefore does not understand fully what's at hand with the handful of Trillionaire families that make up this cabal (or maybe he does, he just doesn't dare cross that rubicon).


These same western anglo banksters are seemingly facing an actual challenge to their dominance over currency markets the last 300 years or so. BRICS convenes next week:


China and the BRICS are moving to establish counter-institutions to
unseat the power of the Asian Development bank, the World bank and the
IMF.


http://www.thechinamoneyreport.com/2014/07/09/brics-bank-about-to-change-everything-china-set-to-extend-financial-muscle-across-the-globe/



all the chaos you see in the ME, Ukraine and the Asian peninsula are brought to you by these "NFL owner" type cabalist just playing their high-stakes poker. buzz is the Rockefeller's are getting over on the Rothchilds atm.

The Omega Concern
07-09-2014, 09:07 PM
Man you must literally know nothing about Noam Chomsky.

edit: i see trots has already covered that.


Bread, Trots...stop trying to entrap me. You can't do it, its a waste of your time. be cynical of me, skeptical if you must, but if you want to discredit me, your gonna have to search things out the way I do, and none of you do that. so...



In an interview with The Real News Network Noam Chomsky says that people should vote against McCain and for Obama - but without illusions.



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/the-real-news/chomsky-in-swing-states-v_b_136248.html



OK? I knew of this swing state push with him in '08. That's why I stated in here he supported the Dem in '08, to which you and Trots were implying I was wrong. And you say I don't know anything about him. fukoff with that shit. it aint gonna work.

The Omega Concern
07-09-2014, 09:20 PM
name a president Chomsky hasn't completely skewered



Through Obama, Chomsky is recognizing the Presidency itself has devolved and as such is allowing a surveillance state to manifest at a rapid rate. Obama was supposed to be a change from all that, and you believed him. I'd like to think your over that now.

The Omega Concern
07-09-2014, 09:23 PM
Dem. Rep. Rips Obama: 'Aloof,' 'Bizarre,' and 'Detached'



Democratic congressman Henry Cuellar ripped President Obama for being "aloof" and "detached" by not visiting the Texas border to see first hand the immigration crisis. Cuellar made the comments on MSNBC:



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http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/dem-rep-rips-obama-aloof-bizarre-and-detached_796290.html

Bread Regal
07-09-2014, 09:28 PM
Bread, Trots...stop trying to entrap me. You can't do it, its a waste of your time. be cynical of me, skeptical if you must, but if you want to discredit me, your gonna have to search things out the way I do, and none of you do that. so...

yeah no shit chomsky tried to persuade the public to vote against the worse of two parties in a two party system. what of it? none of this really supports your stance that he's recently undergone a dramatic change in personal politics.

Bread Regal
07-09-2014, 09:31 PM
Like, did you even finish reading the headline of the article you linked to?

Trotskilicious
07-09-2014, 09:36 PM
it's easy to discredit you when you think chomsky is some kind of progovernment liberal boogey-man, which he isn't and never has been

he's one of the greatest critics of the post-capitalist state that we have. you'd do some favors for your own self-declared incredible open mindedness to get a chomsky reader or something.

WITHOUT
ILLUSIONS

and where's the story about chomsky endorsing obama over romney?

Trotskilicious
07-09-2014, 09:38 PM
Chomsky stated “I think they should spend five or ten minutes on it. Seeing if there’s a point in taking part in the carefully orchestrated electoral extravaganza. And my own judgment, for what it’s worth, is, yes, there’s a point to taking a part.”

Professor Chomsky said he will probably vote for Jill Stein for president in effort to push a genuine electoral alternative, but that if he lived in a swing state he would vote “against Romney-Ryan, which means voting for Obama.”

<I>carefully elected electoral extravaganza</I>

to be perfectly frank, omega, this guy should be one of your allies

D.
07-09-2014, 09:57 PM
What's a good starter read for Chomsky??

Trotskilicious
07-09-2014, 10:18 PM
the chomsky reader

i mean there really is one

also there's a term for the manufacturing consent theory,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda_model

chomsky is one of the few leftists that the conspiracy theorists should have some respect for

Trotskilicious
07-09-2014, 10:20 PM
best thing is that the propaganda model just keeps being more true all the time:

Global warming, the media gives near equal balance to people who deny climate change despite only "about one percent" of climate scientists taking this view. Chomsky commented that there are "three sides" on climate change (deniers, those who follow the scientific consensus, and people who think that the consensus underestimates the threat from global warming), but in framing the debate the media usually ignore people who say that the scientific consensus is unduly optimistic

Trotskilicious
07-09-2014, 10:21 PM
i mean we've had so many discussions over the past decade plus about ultimately how asinine it is for the media to give people who literally do not fucking know what they are talking about a microphone and respect them enough to allow them to spew their factually incorrect bullshit into it. we have a whole network practically dedicated to it.

remember death panels. horrifying government death panels. the networks actually sat down and gave creedence to this idea

at no point did anyone go "People get dropped from their health insurance often when they are facing terminal illness. Right now this is happening, at this moment, and it's being done by private companies. WHY ARE YOU NOT ENRAGED ABOUT THIS ALREADY?"

Trotskilicious
07-09-2014, 10:25 PM
the new media narrative is exactly why troglodytes like omega exist, why people like beltashazzanar or whatever think their bullshit is legitimate, and how people act like any time anyone factually disproves fucking anything at all, they are "implementing bias"

it's just a tragic state of affairs. still watching the skies for the purifying asteroid

redbreegull
07-09-2014, 10:39 PM
the cabal exist, there is a flow chart. How they operate is comparable to NFL owners

margin!

Elphenor
07-09-2014, 10:43 PM
It annoys me how politics as a science isn't really understood or taken as legitimate by the lay person. To them it's all opinions and no one is right and you can think anything you want.

But making a statement like "Global Warming is a hoax" or "Supply Side is good for the middle class" is just as wrong as saying 2+2=5
We just know certain positions are inaccurate at this point and it baffles me that they still exist because fuck science I trust "personal intuition" or whatever.

redbreegull
07-09-2014, 10:44 PM
It annoys me how politics as a science isn't really understood or taken as legitimate by the lay person. To them it's all opinions and no one is right and you can think anything you want.

But making a statement like "Global Warming is a hoax" or "Supply Side is good for the middle class" is just as wrong as saying 2+2=5
We just know certain positions are inaccurate at this point and it baffles me that they still exist because fuck science I trust "personal intuition" or whatever.

I'm not sure I have ever been so torn between tearing a post apart and siding with it 100%

Elphenor
07-09-2014, 10:52 PM
Tear away

redbreegull
07-09-2014, 11:00 PM
"political science" is an egregious misnomer, there is no science in politics whatsoever

redbreegull
07-09-2014, 11:01 PM
But making a statement like "Global Warming is a hoax" or "Supply Side is good for the middle class" is just as wrong as saying 2+2=5
We just know certain positions are inaccurate at this point and it baffles me that they still exist because fuck science I trust "personal intuition" or whatever.

I am completely with this though

Elphenor
07-09-2014, 11:12 PM
I'm not really sure why you wouldn't consider it a science.

The things you study as evidence are for sure very different but still

Bread Regal
07-09-2014, 11:13 PM
rbg you should make your top of the page post like 20 times longer

null123
07-09-2014, 11:14 PM
I wish Chomsky was better than what he actually is

redbreegull
07-09-2014, 11:19 PM
I'm not really sure why you wouldn't consider it a science.

The things you study as evidence are for sure very different but still

do you know what the scientific method is?


political science is, at best, a social science, and even then it is by far one of the flimsiest social sciences.

redbreegull
07-09-2014, 11:20 PM
I almost majored in that shit, it is utter horse feces as a scientific study. I'm not saying there aren't valuable things to be learned from its study, but calling it a science like it's up there with physics is a fucking joke

Elphenor
07-09-2014, 11:25 PM
do you know what the scientific method is?


political science is, at best, a social science, and even then it is by far one of the flimsiest social sciences.

You can form a testable hypothesis in P Science.

If X politicians run on X platform they will lose based on X Y Z.

Bread Regal
07-09-2014, 11:29 PM
yeah, but the results have to be replicable.

redbreegull
07-09-2014, 11:32 PM
political science is utterly, utterly useless in predicting future outcomes. Sure, there are lots of meaningful things to be derived from the study of what is done and gone... I'm not saying it's not worthwhile in some capacity, it's just as important as history or anything else.

but science? no.

Elphenor
07-09-2014, 11:33 PM
I think in a lot of situations they would be.
But yeah, it's a social science, it's not like physics.
But it's a science nonetheless

Elphenor
07-09-2014, 11:35 PM
I'm not really saying you're wrong, but I do think by pure definition it does qualify as a science.

But again, it's totally different than like physics

Elphenor
07-09-2014, 11:38 PM
There are political scientists who predict the outcomes of elections with very little failure. If there were no science to it, that wouldn't be possible with any accuracy

Bread Regal
07-09-2014, 11:41 PM
actually those people are called statisticians.

redbreegull
07-10-2014, 12:01 AM
actually those people are called statisticians.

that's exactly correct. Elphenor, I kind of see where you are coming from in intent, but by the "pure" definition, political science has literally nothing, nothing, nothing to do with the scientific method. sorry dude. that doesn't mean it isn't worth studying. but it IS. NOT. science. at all.

Trotskilicious
07-10-2014, 01:09 AM
i have to say i'm envious of margin right now

RBG, do you realize the NFL is an example of a cabal

Trotskilicious
07-10-2014, 01:13 AM
You can form a testable hypothesis in P Science.

If X politicians run on X platform they will lose based on X Y Z.

this is killing me right now,

you gotta be a well known user here to fuck with us because that's the only thing to do right now

Trotskilicious
07-10-2014, 01:14 AM
poly-sci (sic) is definitely not worth studying either, might as well send them to marketing school

redbreegull
07-10-2014, 01:52 AM
right because the only measure of worth is $$$

redbreegull
07-10-2014, 01:53 AM
I mean fuck understanding or knowing shit where's my money

null123
07-10-2014, 01:58 AM
I took an International Politics class my first term of college. I can only imagine what 4 years of that would do to a person's ability to process reality.

Trotskilicious
07-10-2014, 02:34 AM
I mean fuck understanding or knowing shit where's my money

who the fuck do you think you're talking to, nimrod's son? i work for a fucking non profit

political science is a waste because there's no point in studying "politics' there's theory, there's law, and there's marketing already.

Trotskilicious
07-10-2014, 02:39 AM
and i studied it two year, and that's what i got out of it: philosophy, marketing, and public administration/law i guess

redbreegull
07-12-2014, 12:24 AM
who the fuck do you think you're talking to, nimrod's son? i work for a fucking non profit

political science is a waste because there's no point in studying "politics' there's theory, there's law, and there's marketing already.

yeah I dunno I guess it was different at my school. I have no idea what you mean by marketing

Trotskilicious
07-12-2014, 03:16 AM
i think it's because you don't want to see it

Trotskilicious
07-12-2014, 03:16 AM
the parties are brands

duovamp
07-12-2014, 07:29 AM
If it exists it can be bought and sold.

duovamp
07-12-2014, 07:37 AM
poly-sci (sic) is definitely not worth studying either, might as well send them to marketing school

Political economics, specifically global political economics, is valuable to know, but only in the sense that if you're Barack Obama or the Fed chair you'll use that knowledge. Still, stuff like knowing how democracy affected the economy in the Republic of the Philippines actually tells you a lot about how groups of people think.

I say this as a person who in no way has seen a return on such knowledge. Aaaaand back to my beer and Doritos.

duovamp
07-12-2014, 07:38 AM
Actually I'm sliding into a cider kick this summer. It's not working out well so far but idc.

Trotskilicious
07-27-2014, 05:30 PM
Actually I'm sliding into a cider kick this summer. It's not working out well so far but idc.

cider is for winter dogg

you need to get your pilsner on

Trotskilicious
07-27-2014, 08:09 PM
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duovamp
07-28-2014, 12:29 PM
Word. It's been a month since I had me a good pils, mmhmm.

Last night turned into a 10 beer night.

scottytheoneand
07-28-2014, 08:44 PM
What beer did you drink 10 of?