View Full Version : I can't move to the UK


Elphenor
07-05-2014, 11:43 PM
I really wanted to but I did some research and apparently they don't let people with no skills in.
Go figure.

In order to get a student Visa I have to convince a University that they want me. So maybe after I finish community college here.

But Im kinda bummed. Idk why I thought the UK would just let Americans in because were Americans. That was dumb.

Trotskilicious
07-05-2014, 11:44 PM
okay

sppunk
07-05-2014, 11:44 PM
Uh.

The exploding boy
07-05-2014, 11:58 PM
That was in fact pretty dumb............ Its the same anywhere in the western world.....

Elphenor
07-06-2014, 12:18 AM
It kind of sucks when a window is just shut on you.

They say: If you're not happy just go somewhere else!
But then you really can't. Lame.

pavementtune
07-06-2014, 12:29 AM
So maybe after I finish community college here.
Don't think you'll find European unis who offer postgrad places to US community colleges.
You have to get into a college that has an exchange program with the UK, more specifically a partnership with an English college. That will still be a dump of UK college (unless you get yourself into a top US uni.)

Realistically you have a better chance to find some international working program (accomodation and food, no payment.)

Trotskilicious
07-06-2014, 12:34 AM
you know why they call it community college

because anyone in the community can go

mxzombie
07-06-2014, 12:35 AM
It kind of sucks when a window is just shut on you

it wasn't open in the first place

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Trotskilicious
07-06-2014, 12:39 AM
you know i remember when i was doubtful that elph was going to college

now i'm not surprised at all

Elphenor
07-06-2014, 01:06 AM
Lol fuck you man.

Elphenor
07-06-2014, 01:10 AM
Don't think you'll find European unis who offer postgrad places to US community colleges.
You have to get into a college that has an exchange program with the UK, more specifically a partnership with an English college. That will still be a dump of UK college (unless you get yourself into a top US uni.)

Realistically you have a better chance to find some international working program (accomodation and food, no payment.)

Idk. I was reading that they will accept you if it looks like you're going to be a success just like colleges here in the U.S.
i.e. you get straight A's and have volunteer work and stuff.

And I can do that. I'm a smart dude but I was too miserable in high school to care about my grades.

Trotskilicious
07-06-2014, 01:27 AM
if you're doing poli sci at a community college, the joke is on you

ifuktyourmom
07-06-2014, 01:32 AM
Seriously. Just do a study abroad program. There are multitudes of them, and they don't give a fuck about anything as long as you have some cash to back up your desires. Make your connections while over there, and get straight on the dole.

Trotskilicious
07-06-2014, 01:55 AM
Make your connections while over there, and get straight on the dole.

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The exploding boy
07-06-2014, 02:23 AM
Honestly i don't think Elph should move to England. He's obviously an anglophile. the'll probably find him insufferable over there. And imagine if he came back to the US... ("in the uk, when i was in the uk") and he'll have a put on accent and use british slang.

once i was on a forum where this girl had a freaky obsession with UK and she could not abstain herself form mentioning how much she loved it in every post, she'd find a way to work it into the topic. Every goddam post. It's like an illness for some

(and yeah i'm fairly anglophile but not in a OMG THE UK IS JUST THE BEST CHEERIO way...)

Elphenor
07-06-2014, 02:33 AM
Idk.

The UK is different but in many ways the same. That's why I was considering it.

pavementtune
07-06-2014, 02:35 AM
A year won't hurt.
My impression is his dream comes mostly from his love of UK music.
Going to study there without having visited it first might be disappointing.
Or maybe not disappointing, but a major English city is likely a harsh landing for a young guy from a pretty suburb.

Elphenor
07-06-2014, 02:35 AM
I don't have a lot of money but I was thinking you could just jump out there get a shitty job and go to a shitty college like I do now.

Elphenor
07-06-2014, 02:38 AM
Like if I were to just get far away from any of the supports Im leaning and go some place I really want to be I might actual live life

pavementtune
07-06-2014, 02:54 AM
Unfortunately, individuals cannot apply for a work permit on their own. Only U.K.-based employers can do so on behalf of the overseas national they want to recruit. Before accepting an applicant from outside the European Economic Area an English company has to make sure there isnít anyone else in the country capable of doing the same job. Thus, an American not only has to find a job but also an employer willing to go through the paperwork and cost of a work permit application. This is a difficult search, especially when conducted from the other side of the Atlantic. The demand to work in England is high and the work permit route can involve months, even years of vain attempts.

As mentioned before, check out organized working/volunteer programs.
Alternative route is to think ahead how you could get a job in a company in the US that has a subsidiary overseas. Then get lucky to get shipped off to a horribly paid trainee job.

Trotskilicious
07-06-2014, 03:40 AM
it's hopless, don't you hear? this is mostly about whining, he doesn't want any solutions. jeez get with the program

Elphenor
07-06-2014, 04:12 AM
No. It's more like I want to leave right now but have no place to go.

It's like living in a cage.

I just want to get away from my sad sap life. Just go somewhere where Ill never see anyone Ive ever known. Where I won't even be in the same country aa this shit.
And there would just be something powerful about making that kind of move.

I'll look into that stuff. I just don't know what company would want to go through the trouble to get me there. I have no market value, not yet at least.

Elphenor
07-06-2014, 04:41 AM
I thought about that too

But Im not sure

slunken
07-06-2014, 06:59 AM
The UK is different but in many ways the same.


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The UK is different but in many ways the same.



The UK is different but in many ways the same.



The UK is different but in many ways the same.



The UK is different but in many ways the same.



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The UK is different but in many ways the same.

Lucky Day Spa
07-06-2014, 07:09 AM
had a daydream fling with the united king… dom
i can't live a normal life, i was raised by my… mom
so i gotta be down with the clown team
too much multi-user dungeon got me clicking dreams

i'ma east-co anglophile with a bone to pick
community college knowledge, watched a kubrick flick
i'm a loc'd out wanka, no wall street banka
my mom says i look like a young paul anka

keep spending most our lives living somewhere different but the same

vixnix
07-06-2014, 07:30 AM
the weather is horrible

HORRIBLE

don't do it

scottytheoneand
07-06-2014, 08:23 AM
People who want to move to England always seem to to hold some kind of ridiculous idea in their heads about the country. Like all they know of it is their favorite bands are from there or they think Union Jack t-shirts are cool. Or that want to drive a mini cooper.

Trotskilicious
07-06-2014, 08:25 AM
i think that would be why elph wants to move there

and their weird english accents they're so funny and proper lol i mean gosh

mxzombie
07-06-2014, 08:38 AM
^ wot wot

juliana
07-06-2014, 08:55 AM
Your only reason to go to england is it is far far away?

This is just a fantasy of a depressed kid. Kiddo, you can't run away from your problems. Also, england is a pretty harsh place, you will probably find the same shit there.

vixnix
07-06-2014, 08:56 AM
plus, skinheads and chavs

Eulogy
07-06-2014, 09:01 AM
The weather in London when I was there was gorgeous nearly every day. Maybe I just got lucky.

Never actually saw anywhere in the country outside of London though. Stupid, I know.

vixnix
07-06-2014, 09:03 AM
you were definitely lucky! When were you there?

I think I had 14 grey days in a row, in Windsor.

vixnix
07-06-2014, 09:06 AM
that was over Christmas and NY though

Xteenmachine
07-06-2014, 09:12 AM
the weather is horrible

HORRIBLE

don't do it

makes you more appreciative when the weather is nice though. like now. and gives you something to look forward to when it's not so great.

juliana
07-06-2014, 09:17 AM
This kid will go to england and see the prices of everything and become a hooker, will you feel good about that netphoria?

vixnix
07-06-2014, 09:25 AM
makes you more appreciative when the weather is nice though. like now. and gives you something to look forward to when it's not so great.

please understand that as someone who now lives in australia this just makes me want to burst out laughing.

having said that, gardens grow much better and you can have, you know, actual lawns. instead of the scabby drought resistant scratch patches they try to pass off as lawns over here.

Eulogy
07-06-2014, 09:31 AM
you were definitely lucky! When were you there?

I think I had 14 grey days in a row, in Windsor.

January to May 2009.

Rairun
07-06-2014, 10:47 AM
If any of your grandparents (or great-grandparents, depending on the country) were born in Europe, you could get dual citizenship and move to the UK. That's what I did. I first came here as an exchange student, though, long before I had an European passport.

hnibos
07-06-2014, 12:37 PM
People who want to move to England always seem to to hold some kind of ridiculous idea in their heads about the country. Like all they know of it is their favorite bands are from there or they think Union Jack t-shirts are cool. Or that want to drive a mini cooper.

Or they want to go to Premier League games every week omfg that would be amazing.

bignothing
07-06-2014, 01:00 PM
I don't know, I think there might be a way for you to move as a transfer student? If you end up in an "ok" English university, that might still better than community college in the US. And isn't school cheaper in the UK? Plus you get free healthcare as an international student. Prices will be much higher in main cities, but you're also going to be making more per hour at a similar job (I forget what you do, but remember you complaining about the terrible schedule).

Rairun
07-06-2014, 03:21 PM
Even if they are deceased?

It depends. My grandfather was Portuguese, and he was already dead when my mother and I did the whole process. She got her citizenship first, and then I got mine through her. I could have skipped a generation, but there are a few disadvantages if you do that - you are considered a citizen only from the day the process is approved, so your legal rights don't apply retroactively (this matters if you already have children, etc).

The law is different in each country. I believe Italy has laxer rules, for example (it might be possible to get Italian citizenship if your great-grandparents were Italian).

Bread Regal
07-06-2014, 03:33 PM
Or they want to go to Premier League games every week omfg that would be amazing.
and expensive.

Bread Regal
07-06-2014, 03:45 PM
i have long entertained the idea of moving to the UK because of my dual citizenship status but the truth is moving overseas is an epic pain in the ass and you need a lot of money in reserves even if you've already secured a job over there. the 6-month quarantine period basically means you can't bring your pets with you.

plus i would need to go through a lot of mental preparation for the culture shock.

Elphenor
07-06-2014, 08:04 PM
England because it's pretty similar but not entirely. I don't have any illusions of it being super nice or anything.

And yeah I dig the accents and past music even if that's a dumb reason.

Elphenor
07-06-2014, 08:06 PM
I'll go to Edinburgh.

There has to be at least 1 Fall fan there

Cool As Ice Cream
07-07-2014, 02:40 AM
lol ur stoopid

grow up ur not 16 anymore

Trotskilicious
07-07-2014, 02:56 AM
The weather in London when I was there was gorgeous nearly every day. Maybe I just got lucky.

yes you did

Trotskilicious
07-07-2014, 02:57 AM
also now knowing the time frame i am incredulous

Cool As Ice Cream
07-07-2014, 03:46 AM
hey elph, just go there on a holiday and stay.
there is no controlled id in the uk, so you can just get a bank account in any name and that will be your new id and then you can rent a place and that will be your address and then you link your address to your bank account and you're a new person and it will all match: here's a bank statement with my name and address on, and if you send a letter to this address, it'll actually reach me. this could be a bit tricky: you might need an address before you can open a bank account, and you might need a bank account before you can rent a place. but once you've got that set up, you can get anything else.
free healthcare (although you can probably already get that without any form of id or as an american tourist), dole money, whatever! it's paradise.
if all these other immigants (why don't they learn english?) can do it, you should be able to pull it off too. i mean, i know you're a bit dumb, but how hard can it be? i believe in you.
and then you can go to starbucks and write sad punk poetry on your ipad, and listen to those funky english accents and giggle in awe.
and in the evening you can retire to your £800-a-week one-room appartment, with your own personal toilet behind a curtain, three feet away from your kitchenette, and eat corn from a tin and be too cold and cry in the corner. i know you love crying, so for you, this is living like a king in france.
the uk wants you! move now.

Elphenor
07-07-2014, 04:03 AM
Is this actually possible?

Dont kid me Bram

Cool As Ice Cream
07-07-2014, 04:12 AM
i don't really know the details about moving to the uk illegally or getting a new identity. but once you're in the uk, you're in. that's why everyone is going there.

Cool As Ice Cream
07-07-2014, 04:13 AM
or were you wondering about the £800-per-week one-room appartment? yes, that's definitely possible. you'd be lucky if you can actually afford corn from a tin.

Cool As Ice Cream
07-07-2014, 04:15 AM
have you thought about canada?
i bet you also need skills to get into canada, but maybe it's more realistic to consider.

Rairun
07-07-2014, 04:35 AM
I know he was kidding, but since you seem to be asking this kind of seriously, here's the answer:

It is obviously possible to immigrate illegally to the UK. No, you can't receive benefits if you are illegal (health care should be OK). The only jobs you can possibly get are menial ones, if the employer is willing to break the law. To open a bank account, you need an address. But as a newcomer, you will be unable to secure a house through a letting agency (you'll fail their credit check) - so you'll have to find a private landlord. Rent prices vary a lot depending on the region. When I lived in Manchester, I paid £400/month for a 1-bedroom apartment. In Cambridge, where I live now, you can't find one for less than £750. And I don't think it's possible to pay less than £1000 in London.

Elphenor
07-07-2014, 05:14 AM
I mean, they do deport illegals though right?

Cool As Ice Cream
07-07-2014, 05:50 AM
forget about the uk, man.

why not move to another city in the US, if you want a fresh start? it's not a solution for what you're having, but it might help getting there.

Eulogy
07-07-2014, 06:01 AM
also now knowing the time frame i am incredulous

Ok

Have you been there

Eulogy
07-07-2014, 06:02 AM
It snowed on Super Bowl Sunday and the whole city shut down but that isn't "bad weather" to me.

Eulogy
07-07-2014, 06:03 AM
I still periodically check the weather there because I want to go back asap and I think the whole "omg London weather is so bad!!!" shit is just a myth.

Cool As Ice Cream
07-07-2014, 06:05 AM
people just love to complain about the weather.

Trotskilicious
07-07-2014, 06:15 AM
you know what they say about personal experience

Eulogy
07-07-2014, 08:10 AM
...I also check the weather. And you're apparently incredulous regarding my four months of personal experience. So. What? You don't believe the weather was good when I was there? Or you don't think that period can be representative of the weather there generally?

Seems like you're trying to argue both points just to be a shit.

vixnix
07-07-2014, 08:15 AM
I think we may have differing opinions about what constitutes "good weather".

Like, grey, cold, windy - not great weather IMO. But for you maybe those are picnic conditions.

Eulogy
07-07-2014, 08:22 AM
It was generally sunny when I was there. Some gray days but that's true most places, yes? Mostly sunny and 50-70 is what I like. But clouds don't bother me. My favorite season is fall.

duovamp
07-07-2014, 08:51 AM
I still periodically check the weather there because I want to go back asap and I think the whole "omg London weather is so bad!!!" shit is just a myth.

Even beyond day-to-day sunny/cloudy, their winters are mild. I think they have higher lows and lower highs than I do here.

North East US is very similar in terms of cloud coverage/temperature overall, which isn't saying much though.

If you live in the south or west, yeah the weather won't be as nice. But it's far from dreadful.

sppunk
07-07-2014, 01:48 PM
Eulogy is from Chicago, so an England winter is a nice early spring for him. Anyone in the NE would say the same.

It's all perspective.

Eulogy
07-07-2014, 01:51 PM
To a point, sure. But a Chicago winter is objectively shitty. Or pretty close. Maybe some weirdos like it I dunno but I don't think you could say London weather is objectively shitty.

There are times I want to die immediately upon stepping outside in both the winter and summer here. Truly special place this is.

sppunk
07-07-2014, 02:03 PM
That's what I mean - the people who say London has a shitty winter are comparing it to a London summer. You compare to what is a legit winter with snowstorms and many days near or below 0F. (I love the cold)

Trotskilicious
07-07-2014, 03:32 PM
i am from a place when it's sunny practically every day

i even have weather data to back me up

besides the fact that english television and humor reflect that london and most of england is cloudy and damp, as well as ireland which accounts for how goddamn pale we are

null123
07-07-2014, 03:39 PM
I have a teacher from London who likes visiting Portland because she says the weather reminds her of home. I always got the impression London was considered to have bad weather because of that dreariness, not because it is particularly harsh.

vixnix
07-07-2014, 04:18 PM
Yeah that's it...dreary.

It's the same in NZ but the landscape hasn't been ruined quite as much. Still. I find that kind of weather depressing.

Eulogy
07-07-2014, 04:34 PM
I feel like I would quite like pacific NW weather.

Is it as rainy as it's made out to be? That could get annoying.

null123
07-07-2014, 04:48 PM
It's pretty rainy but I've heard it rains more in the southeast US. When it rains it's never that heavy downpour like you'd see in summer storms in the middle of the country. It's usually gentle and intermittent. What's most noticeable is the thick cloud cover and mist for most of the year which makes it pretty dark. Seattle is much wetter than Portland and Vancouver BC the wettest. Summers are mild and sunny.

Last winter was disturbingly dry and cold though so with global warming who knows.

duovamp
07-07-2014, 05:50 PM
Sppunk and I have the worst weather of any Netphorians unless anybody here lives in Buffalo. Wsup den.

sppunk
07-07-2014, 06:21 PM
Sppunk and I have the worst weather of any Netphorians unless anybody here lives in Buffalo. Wsup den.

No way. PA spring and fall are beautiful and winters are tolerable. I love cloudy days too that helps.

Eulogy
07-07-2014, 06:38 PM
Chicago is pretty bad. Is Pittsburgh really worse?

Eulogy
07-07-2014, 06:38 PM
I've only been once and I was like 8

slunken
07-07-2014, 06:47 PM
I've always wanted to live somewhere where it rained all the time. Luh dat shit.

Trotskilicious
07-07-2014, 06:50 PM
i want to live in cakkalakka it seems pleasant and between hot and cold so you git a little dose of both

also it's not austin, although asheville sounds like where the forces of evil will next bring their bulldozers of gentrification

null123
07-07-2014, 07:02 PM
I miss precipitation pretty bad

mxzombie
07-07-2014, 07:04 PM
Sppunk and I have the worst weather of any Netphorians unless anybody here lives in Buffalo. Wsup den.

buffalonian here. only lived there a combined two years or so--and for half of that time i was an infant. u think your all that

duovamp
07-07-2014, 07:33 PM
Nah u got dis

duovamp
07-07-2014, 07:34 PM
Spent a week there. Rained urry day. My dad worked there for a couple years. He said it rained every single gorram day. I belieb him doe.

duovamp
07-07-2014, 07:35 PM
I was at Grove City for a semester and god damn it rained every day.

duovamp
07-07-2014, 07:38 PM
No way. PA spring and fall are beautiful and winters are tolerable. I love cloudy days too that helps.

Yeah you're fucking drunk. Last winter it was single digits every awful day (wanted to kill myself). And two years before that we got 8 feet of snowfall.

How can she slap?

mxzombie
07-07-2014, 07:56 PM
Spent a week there. Rained urry day. My dad worked there for a couple years. He said it rained every single gorram day. I belieb him doe.

i don't recall the rain being a big deal, but i was accustomed to the rain in south florida. i was there for a year spanning the winter of 2009-10, which was particularly harsh for a lot of the northern usa. it was painfully cold and it snowed the week before my birthday--in may. i thankfully found it all quite novel and wasn't bothered too much.

duovamp
07-07-2014, 08:33 PM
Between anywhere in NE and the whole coastline or the entirety of the western US, give me anywhere else but north east Amurica.

duovamp
07-07-2014, 08:36 PM
I mean come on this is the shittiest weather in the country. Who's gonna argue.

sppunk
07-07-2014, 09:18 PM
Yeah you're fucking drunk. Last winter it was single digits every awful day (wanted to kill myself). And two years before that we got 8 feet of snowfall.

How can she slap?

I love the cold, remember that. It was cold yeah but we don't get buried in snow like the lake effect areas or the upper Midwest. We got what, 45" snow? That's not too bad.

But year we had 87" two years ago. It was amazing. 47" within a 4 day span.

Bread Regal
07-07-2014, 09:41 PM
my dad lived in north london for his first 25 years. he says the london fog is more of a persistent mist. not quite rain, not quite fog. just ambient mist for weeks on end. and overcast.

and as a person who lives where you can't stand outside for 5 minutes without accumulating serious swamp ass, that sounds glorious to me.

Cool As Ice Cream
07-08-2014, 03:42 AM
hey elph maybe you can get accepted into the uk as a sperm donor maybe that's counted as a skill over there according to scotty they need more sperm in the uk