View Full Version : Tarnished Legacy Bands. SP


ifuktyourmom
07-05-2014, 11:21 PM
http://consequenceofsound.net/2014/03/13-rock-bands-that-have-destroyed-their-legacies/full-post/

Just sayin.

absof
07-05-2014, 11:28 PM
Already said.. http://forums.netphoria.org/showthread.php?t=180727

Ram27
07-05-2014, 11:31 PM
Can't argue with that.

Who's Jimmy Chamberlain?


This guy pretty much has the right of it though; calling out Billy for slandering the others.

Ram27
07-05-2014, 11:31 PM
I'm not saying Billy Corgan should kill himself

Order 66
07-05-2014, 11:44 PM
aerosmith always sucked

pavementtune
07-06-2014, 12:06 AM
Can't argue with that.

Who's Jimmy Chamberlain?



The writer is the idiot Chris Bosman, ended up as blogger since he couldn't even make it as second-rate music journalist (for obvious reasons.)
He's been writing about Corgan's ego for years now. Groundbreaking.

Shallowed
07-06-2014, 12:07 AM
Wow someone published a list

fuzzyroes
07-06-2014, 12:08 AM
Who cares if he's a blogger? Guy's still pretty spot on, that's all that matters

pavementtune
07-06-2014, 12:09 AM
Who cares about bloggers making lists?

Oh wait, hello fuzzy, NOFX foreva!

fuzzyroes
07-06-2014, 12:30 AM
Piss off ya douchebag, go join a Malkmus board if you're so obsessed with Pavement

pavementtune
07-06-2014, 12:48 AM
Oh fuzzy
Pavement Tune is a song title (not from Pavement)
Why don't you stick to your gambling thread and NOFX since their stuff is so much better than what this side of the board is about

Trotskilicious
07-06-2014, 01:12 AM
blogging is the new media, i'm pretty sure when you ask "who reads blogs lol?" you're posting from the past, possibly

Trotskilicious
07-06-2014, 01:13 AM
i mean pitchfork is the new MTV

Trotskilicious
07-06-2014, 01:15 AM
also if he "failed at being a music journalist" it was probably because he was trying to catch on to print, which you seem to think is more "legitimate" when it's been pretty obvious for at least five years now that more people read blogs and successful old media now has blog presence

pavementtune
07-06-2014, 01:32 AM
Do you read CoS trots
Is that the new MTV to you
I didn't ask "who reads blogs lol" I said who CARES about some fucking blogger making LISTS

And no, I wasn't referring to print media
That guy couldn't make it as a pitchforker and couldn't get his "concert reviews" published anywhere. It's fuckin Bosman, I know him and his writing, once again you put words in my mouth "what I seem to think" and "probably"

fuzzyroes
07-06-2014, 01:50 AM
"Who cares about bloggers making lists?"

Pretty sure bloggers are the biggest taste-makers and the most influential music journalists these days

fuzzyroes
07-06-2014, 01:51 AM
I suspect you know this, but you're just butt-hurt because yet again, a music critic is talking honestly about SP, and you just can't handle it

Trotskilicious
07-06-2014, 02:10 AM
Do you read CoS trots
Is that the new MTV to you
I didn't ask "who reads blogs lol" I said who CARES about some fucking blogger making LISTS

And no, I wasn't referring to print media
That guy couldn't make it as a pitchforker and couldn't get his "concert reviews" published anywhere. It's fuckin Bosman, I know him and his writing, once again you put words in my mouth "what I seem to think" and "probably"

i've read CoS a time or two and they have a radio show, i think?

sounds like you have personal issues with this person

Trotskilicious
07-06-2014, 02:10 AM
i mean not making it as a "pitchforker" basically means you have a soul and don't write absolutely atrocious bullshit at the drop of a hat

Trotskilicious
07-06-2014, 02:11 AM
I suspect you know this, but you're just butt-hurt because yet again, a music critic is talking honestly about SP, and you just can't handle it

don't think that's what it is at all

Shallowed
07-06-2014, 02:12 AM
I suspect you know this, but you're just butt-hurt because yet again, a music critic is talking honestly about SP, and you just can't handle it

It's a fucking list of artists telling us shit we've already known for a long time, you twat.

pavementtune
07-06-2014, 02:13 AM
I suspect you know this, but you're just butt-hurt because yet again, a music critic is talking honestly about SP, and you just can't handle itand you just can't handle it

You're mistaken.
"Smashing Pumpkins" by my personal defintion ceased to exist in 2000.
So on that point I agree that to continue using that name isn't doing its legacy any favors, so out of those 13 bands he listed I'd picked SP as number one, too.

It's simple boring when people publish the same stuff over and over again. He wrote it ten times before. Corgan is a treasure trove to find shit to criticise, no need to endlessly repeat the same sentences.

Trotskilicious
07-06-2014, 02:15 AM
so what's the personal beef with this guy anyway

fuzzyroes
07-06-2014, 02:15 AM
well, she's all defensive about the authors outlook because he's a "blogger"... While not realizing that his piece is pretty much spot on.

Just look at all of the dinosaurs in the "comments section" of the article. They're all seemingly oblivious towards how bad the newer content sucks from these bands

Shallowed
07-06-2014, 02:16 AM
Word has it that Billy Corgan's ego is so big that he recorded all of the guitars on Siamese Dream himself

Shallowed
07-06-2014, 02:17 AM
Word has it that Billy Corgan's ego is so big that he tells his bandmates what to do

Shallowed
07-06-2014, 02:18 AM
Word has it that Billy Corgan's ego is so big that he played a giant modular synthesiser for eight hours in his tea house

fuzzyroes
07-06-2014, 02:18 AM
It's a fucking list of artists telling us shit we've already known for a long time, you twat.

Yeah, but dumbass Pavementtune see's no validity in it because it's written by a blogger. Sure, it's old news, we all know these artists are tremendously washed up. But it's certainly still spot on.

I just laugh when grungetards always jump to Corgans defense even amongst all of glaring evidence thats out there

Shallowed
07-06-2014, 02:19 AM
Word has it that Billy Corgan's ego is so big that he unapologetically shit talks almost everyone he's ever worked with

Elphenor
07-06-2014, 02:20 AM
Breaking news: When people get old sometimes they become less cool

fuzzyroes
07-06-2014, 02:21 AM
You're mistaken.
"Smashing Pumpkins" by my personal defintion ceased to exist in 2000.
So on that point I agree that to continue using that name isn't doing its legacy any favors, so out of those 13 bands he listed I'd picked SP as number one, too.

It's simple boring when people publish the same stuff over and over again. He wrote it ten times before. Corgan is a treasure trove to find shit to criticise, no need to endlessly repeat the same sentences.

ahh alright then, that's fair enough.

But I mean, just think about how you perceived Corgan in 1995... and now think about how you perceive his band now... the difference is frankly shocking.

Elphenor
07-06-2014, 02:22 AM
And sometimes when you get older, some people don't seem as cool as they used to

Trotskilicious
07-06-2014, 02:22 AM
Ha, point taken.

He's a twat.
"Give me free tickets to this show, I'm a critic."
Press pass, please.
"I used to write for pitchfork."
Press pass, please.
"Who do you think you are, this shit band, you should be thankful I'm here."

At a Depeche Mode gig.

oh who cares

Trotskilicious
07-06-2014, 02:23 AM
fuzzy your total cluelessness is gobsmacking

Shallowed
07-06-2014, 02:23 AM
Yeah, but dumbass Pavementtune see's no validity in it because it's written by a blogger. Sure, it's old news, we all know these artists are tremendously washed up. But it's certainly still spot on.

I just laugh when grungetards always jump to Corgans defense even amongst all of glaring evidence thats out there

There's no validity in it because it's a stupid, worthless, lazily written article.

No one is defending Billy in this thread. We're all saying WE KNOW this shit, that's not jumping to Billy's defence, that's agreeing with the article but also rolling our eyes at how behind the times it is to make fun of Billy's ego.

You're the biggest grungetard on this entire board, too.

Trotskilicious
07-06-2014, 02:23 AM
at least now that kreator is dead

Shallowed
07-06-2014, 02:25 AM
But maybe I'm wrong, maybe I should give heed to this blogger dude and not listen to any of these bands. After all he is an influential taste maker, being a blogger.

Shallowed
07-06-2014, 02:26 AM
Any Weezer fans here?

fuzzyroes
07-06-2014, 02:26 AM
There's no validity in it because it's a stupid, worthless, lazily written article.

No one is defending Billy in this thread. We're all saying WE KNOW this shit, that's not jumping to Billy's defence, that's agreeing with the article but also rolling our eyes at how behind the times it is to make fun of Billy's ego.

You're the biggest grungetard on this entire board, too.

Well of course it's behind the times to US to be making fun of Corgan... But to some casual readers who haven't listened to a minute of the Pumpkins since 98 it might make for an entertaining, educational read.

Shallowed
07-06-2014, 02:27 AM
D'OH I shouldn't like their later stuff because the influential blogger guy said that their legacy was tarnished! Silly me.

fuzzyroes
07-06-2014, 02:30 AM
You actually like their "later stuff"?

fuzzyroes
07-06-2014, 02:32 AM
listen to this promotional performance of their lead single for their shit 2010 release and tell me that the legacy isn't tarnished

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pavementtune
07-06-2014, 02:33 AM
ahh alright then, that's fair enough.

But I mean, just think about how you perceived Corgan in 1995... and now think about how you perceive his band now... the difference is frankly shocking.

Not really. 1995 my perception wasn't Corgan so much, it was a band, in terms of people in the band D'arcy stood out to me.
And then I thought he'd go insane and wouldn't make music for much longer. He is almost 50, it's not shocking to me that he is what he is now.

Besides using the name SP I just don't see that Widow Wake My Mind does much! to THEIR legacy. To me their legacy is what they did while they were the band. This is tarnishing Corgan's career.

Shallowed
07-06-2014, 02:33 AM
Yeah bro some of it's pretty good you should check out this one

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Trotskilicious
07-06-2014, 02:35 AM
But maybe I'm wrong, maybe I should give heed to this blogger dude and not listen to any of these bands. After all he is an influential taste maker, being a blogger.

blogs generally are and being sneeringly condescending about the concept is showing your ignorance

Shallowed
07-06-2014, 02:37 AM
Does it only occur to Pavement and myself that we're only referring to this one blogger guy?

fuzzyroes
07-06-2014, 02:40 AM
Not really. 1995 my perception wasn't Corgan so much, it was a band, in terms of people in the band D'arcy stood out to me.
And then I thought he'd go insane and wouldn't make music for much longer. He is almost 50, it's not shocking to me that he is what he is now.

Besides using.

Yeah, but the dudes been on a steady, downward trajectory since 95 now. I mean, it really is MCIS>>>Adore>>Machina 1&2>> Mary star of the sea>>>Future Embrace>>>Zeitgeist>>> Teargarden and Oceania

fuzzyroes
07-06-2014, 02:41 AM
Does it only occur to Pavement and myself that we're only referring to this one blogger guy?

My mistake then, seems like you guys were dismissing all of the guys points strictly because he's a blogger

Shallowed
07-06-2014, 02:49 AM
Dude.

There's no validity in it because it's a stupid, worthless, lazily written article.

The exploding boy
07-06-2014, 02:50 AM
I want to know what he said about Robert Smith.

fuzzyroes
07-06-2014, 02:51 AM
Lazily written yes, but the selections all seem valid to me

pavementtune
07-06-2014, 02:52 AM
You actually think TbK is better than Oceania?

Trotskilicious
07-06-2014, 02:53 AM
Does it only occur to Pavement and myself that we're only referring to this one blogger guy?

i dunno it was personal on her end i'm not sure where you're coming into it

Trotskilicious
07-06-2014, 02:53 AM
oh it was lazily written got it

how's your professional writing career going, btw

Shallowed
07-06-2014, 02:55 AM
Its validity as an article that anyone should pay any attention or take seriously is null

Shallowed
07-06-2014, 02:57 AM
i dunno it was personal on her end i'm not sure where you're coming into it

I'm coming into it from the side that says that #notallbloggers are influential taste makers.

fuzzyroes
07-06-2014, 02:57 AM
I don't think it was meant to be some scientifically, precise consensus, more of just a humorous observation of some bands that have "fallen from grace" so to speak

Shallowed
07-06-2014, 02:58 AM
oh it was lazily written got it

how's your professional writing career going, btw

Oh right I can't criticise anyone without doing what they do myself

How's your guitar playing going?

fuzzyroes
07-06-2014, 02:59 AM
You actually think TbK is better than Oceania?

Ehhh... I'd say they're about equal... Oceania has less "offenses" but I'd say TBK has more highs... Only because I actually liked Freak and Tom-Tom while I didn't really outright like anything from Oash.

I consider them to be from the same era though

Trotskilicious
07-06-2014, 03:33 AM
Oh right I can't criticise anyone without doing what they do myself

How's your guitar playing going?

never called anyone lazy, don't think

Trotskilicious
07-06-2014, 03:34 AM
primarily the reason i think your half-baked criticism/trolling was obnoxious

"lazy"

slunken
07-06-2014, 07:45 AM
Surprised to see trots defending the blogosphere itt.

Trotskilicious
07-06-2014, 07:46 AM
defending? just acknowledging what it is

slunken
07-06-2014, 07:49 AM
Fair enough. Still slightly surprised.

Shallowed
07-06-2014, 08:17 AM
primarily the reason i think your half-baked criticism/trolling was obnoxious

"lazy"

Word is that Metallica went apeshit in the early 2000s over their music being pirated on Napster!

Word is that the Gallagher brothers hate each others' guts!

Word is that the new Pixies music isn't as good as their heyday era!

Shallowed
07-06-2014, 08:23 AM
Are you denying that it's lazy because I'm being obnoxious about it?

Trotskilicious
07-06-2014, 09:23 AM
Word is that Metallica went apeshit in the early 2000s over their music being pirated on Napster!

Word is that the Gallagher brothers hate each others' guts!

Word is that the new Pixies music isn't as good as their heyday era!

yes i guess you're right, a look back listicle didn't have any shocking revelations in it. must be laziness.

Shallowed
07-06-2014, 09:31 AM
Most listicles are inherently lazy.

Rider
07-06-2014, 10:11 AM
Most listicles are inherently lazy.

Trots is bored and trolling stop taking the bait.

houseofglass11
07-06-2014, 02:10 PM
The bands on that list were all crap aside from SP. The reason SP is #1 is because their 'highs' were higher than any of those bands so it's easy to think they've fallen off the most.

iPumpkin
07-06-2014, 02:22 PM
The bands on that list were all crap aside from SP. The reason SP is #1 is because their 'highs' were higher than any of those bands so it's easy to think they've fallen off the most.

Good point, but that makes their fall even more disturbing. It's like when you see the 4.0GPA Harvard grad under a bridge a few years later.

Trotskilicious
07-06-2014, 11:00 PM
Trots is bored and trolling stop taking the bait.

you really are a goddamn idiot

thedeadofnight
02-05-2015, 04:52 PM
Is there anything Billy can do from here on out to save the legacy of this once great band?

The exploding boy
02-05-2015, 04:58 PM
post not make sense with thread merge