View Full Version : if all you had was 1001-1014...


scottytheoneand
07-01-2014, 11:53 AM
micropenis

scottytheoneand
07-01-2014, 11:55 AM
If all there was of billy's music was what we have between 2001 and 2014, would you have ever started listening?

Would you even care?

pavementtune
07-01-2014, 12:14 PM
If all there was of billy's music was what we have between 2001 and 2014, would you have ever started listening?


probably

http://www.rigmarole.de/gallery/zwan/zwan_Acoustically_back.jpg

juliana
07-01-2014, 12:51 PM
I like his solo album, american gothic, oceania.

But without adore, don't know if I would care.

Ram27
07-01-2014, 03:06 PM
Zwan was pretty kickass, so I'd probably get into it. I don't know how, though. It wouldn't be as popular as golden era SP.

I'd be really pissed the band ended so quickly.

We might hate SP7 less now if there wasn't a SD/MCIS to compare to. That'd probably be a good thing.

themadcaplaughs
07-01-2014, 03:19 PM
I'd dig some of the Zwan songs and "Tarantula" but I would never have gotten as obsessed. One of the selling point of Smashing Pumpkins to me was that the music was consistently excellent (at best) to good (at worst).

The only song from the first run of Smashing Pumpkins I don't like is "In My Body."

Shallowed
07-01-2014, 04:50 PM
If all I knew of SP was 2001-present then SP could be Switchfoot for all I care.

Shallowed
07-01-2014, 04:52 PM
And even more of their best songs that they play live wouldn't go on their albums.

Spira|_
07-03-2014, 07:50 PM
I would not care at all. Zwan alone would not be enough to move me in.
I would not even read any forum related to the band even.

reprise85
07-03-2014, 08:23 PM
I might be a fan for Zwan/solo... maybe... but not enough to post on a message board or listen more than I listen to most bands that are good but not great.

Most likely I never would have heard of any of it and not missed it.

Trotskilicious
07-03-2014, 08:30 PM
1014 you say?

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null123
07-03-2014, 08:48 PM
I like his solo album and there's really nothing else I know that sounds like it. I like that Zwan song Riverview. I like a couple Zeitgeist songs.

Spira|_
07-03-2014, 09:20 PM
If SP were Zeitgeist I would change the radio station when they poped up for sure.

pavementtune
07-03-2014, 09:25 PM
I like that Zwan song Riverview.


That beginning... I'd love to get an instrumental version of it.


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Ram27
07-03-2014, 10:39 PM
Friends as Lovers
Cast a Stone
Rivers We Can't Cross

top notch shit

reprise85
07-03-2014, 10:43 PM
Those songs are great. But of course there is the problem of them never being released.

Ram27
07-03-2014, 10:47 PM
can't release an album when the band takes drugs and has sex

duh

bye june
07-03-2014, 11:56 PM
Sunkissed is my favorite reunion sp song. He could have sang it a little better though.

dodoz
07-05-2014, 10:23 AM
I would have been into "The Future Embrace" because I like this type of sound, and maybe Zwan, but I'd probably listen to it as one of a zillion other bands. I paid extra attention to Zwan because I was glad that Billy and Jimmy were back so quickly, and with worthwhile material when I didn't expect much. There was a whole context.

houseofglass11
07-05-2014, 01:48 PM
The only song from the first run of Smashing Pumpkins I don't like is "In My Body."

Opinions can differ so much from person to person. I happen to think that's one of the best songs on Machina II. Great atmosphere, reminds me of early Cure.

Order 66
07-05-2014, 02:07 PM
post-2001 stuff isn't bad, just really spotty.

TFE is one of my favorite albums... the last one where he didn't give a fuck (in a good way)

Poots
07-05-2014, 02:31 PM
Is the Future Embrace his solo album? Wasn't that pretty much panned by everyone, including fans?

Order 66
07-05-2014, 02:39 PM
its a weird album that sounds nothing like siamese dream. that alone set it up for "failure"

Trotskilicious
07-05-2014, 02:52 PM
i think critics were more lukewarm to it, i don't think it was panned nearly as hard as zeitgeist which pretty much everyone hates the fuck out of except fuzzyroses

slunken
07-05-2014, 02:54 PM
I like it ok too. Lean and mean jc/bc stripped down.

Poots
07-05-2014, 05:31 PM
its a weird album that sounds nothing like siamese dream. that alone set it up for "failure"

I'll check it out then. My main problem with his newer stuff though is the production. The vocals are way too out front. I like his voice double tacked and buried in the mix. That might sound insulting but that's the way he sounds good.

Order 66
07-05-2014, 09:21 PM
its kinda sorta a throwback to the Adore era sound.. but more new wavey and shoegazy

and i think it's the last album before he started bringing his blood curdling aging vocals so upfront

Trotskilicious
07-06-2014, 01:26 AM
remember the chorus of bollies on zeirgeist

wasn't that the worst

fuzzyroes
07-06-2014, 01:48 AM
fuck, just terrible. Zeitgeist had some pretty decent song-writing and structures, it was just destroyed by Corgans vocals and the vocal production.

fuzzyroes
07-06-2014, 02:03 AM
I actually thought that the B0lly chorus worked nicely during this track:

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To me, this is just a song that sounds really great cranked up super loud, just one that you can vibe with, and it has a really nice build-up to it. A grossly underrated Z track IMO

fuzzyroes
07-06-2014, 02:06 AM
I mean, the song goes on in a super mellow vibe, and then picks up with some blistering Corgan guitar with that trademarked tone and then ends off in some awesome J-Macis like melodic shredding.

Fantastic way to end the album

Trotskilicious
07-06-2014, 02:34 AM
bolly chorus goes nicely as the music you hear in hell

fuzzyroes
07-06-2014, 02:39 AM
Man, I'm blasting Z right now, kinda drunk, and it's an underrated listen.... That's the way, Tarantula, bleeding the orchid, Stars are all pretty rocking tracks that are miles ahead of any of the SP3 era shit.

fuzzyroes
07-06-2014, 02:40 AM
United States is actually pretty damn cool too. Executed properly? no. But it's still a cool track,

Trotskilicious
07-06-2014, 02:41 AM
shut the fuck up fuzzy

fuzzyroes
07-06-2014, 02:43 AM
step off man!

Elphenor
07-06-2014, 02:43 AM
Pomp is the most unlistanable shit

I've never made it more than 30 seconds into that song

fuzzyroes
07-06-2014, 02:44 AM
thats surely the problem, it's the 2nd half of the track that really shines

Elphenor
07-06-2014, 02:52 AM
How do you survive the first half? Or even the first SHA LA LA LAA

Do you have ears?

fuzzyroes
07-06-2014, 03:04 AM
Yeah, for me it's kind of an ambiance thing...

To tell you the truth, I never appreciated the song until it came on shuffle on my MP3 player as I was laying on my patio soaking up some rays... If you're just chilling in a meditative mindset the song really does itself justice as it's blasting thru yer earbuds as the suns roasting down on you. It's a song to kind of relax to, and to just observe, and it builds up and is actually quite the therapeutic listen. And the guitar work and the melody during the 2nd half just makes the song.

It's some classic BC songwriting as far as I'm concerned, and it's too bad that people can't appreciate it like me (and how BC must)

slunken
07-06-2014, 06:48 AM
It's true

Shallowed
07-06-2014, 07:25 AM
Life's a bummer

Poots
07-06-2014, 09:40 AM
Why do you have to keep trying to like an album? Like trying listening to it in the sun or when drunk to maybe make yourself like it? You're only giving it so much of a chance because it has Smashing Pumpkins written on it. Just admit that you think it sucks and put in that Radiohead greatest hits CD your mother got you for Christmas but you still haven't opened.

Rider
07-06-2014, 09:45 AM
Why do you have to keep trying to like an album? Like trying listening to it in the sun or when drunk to maybe make yourself like it? You're only giving it so much of a chance because it has Smashing Pumpkins written on it. Just admit that you think it sucks and put in that Radiohead greatest hits CD your mother got you for Christmas but you still haven't opened.

poots you are trying too hard.

Ram27
07-06-2014, 09:59 AM
When you're hummer

Sometimes the beginning of songs sound really fucking stupid and you have to ignore it to get to the good stuff

Like the feedback squeal at the beginning of Bodies

Poots
07-06-2014, 10:31 AM
poots you are trying too hard.

I think fuzzyroes is trying too hard to like Zeitgest. Let it suck in peace.

panda show
07-06-2014, 03:43 PM
ice cream snow

Ram27
07-06-2014, 03:57 PM
see you in june

The exploding boy
07-06-2014, 04:30 PM
Why do you have to keep trying to like an album? Like trying listening to it in the sun or when drunk to maybe make yourself like it? You're only giving it so much of a chance because it has Smashing Pumpkins written on it. Just admit that you think it sucks and put in that Radiohead greatest hits CD your mother got you for Christmas but you still haven't opened.

I really agree with this as pertaining to music in general. "I didn't like it until the third or fourth listen". Right, so you convinced yourself or beat it into your ears like radio does with "hits". Some songs DO grow on you but ultimately if after the second listen i still feel meh about a song or record, chances are ill never warm up to it, i dont' have time to waste trying to like your shit, there's other stuff to listen to. A truly good song should tell you right away it's good. Quite frankly i'm the guy who never ends up listening to more than at best half the songs on any records, for my money few artists have managed to write a full record of good songs and if they did chances are they only did it once. Not that i blame them, writing good music is hard.

Ram27
07-06-2014, 04:35 PM
My first real exposure to the band was watching the SD reissue Metro show. I felt mostly ambivalent towards most of it, besides the kickass Rocket ending and the quiet part in Geek USA. Then I started to like the songs more and more.

dodoz
07-08-2014, 09:05 AM
"MOH" is one hell of a song...:smoke:

The Omega Concern
07-08-2014, 10:35 AM
If y'all want that fresh alternative sound with nice production and properly placed vocals,
Foster the People's Supermodel picks up where SP left that train long ago.

D.
07-08-2014, 10:50 AM
I had to listen to United States for hours on end while in the car with a Mormon. I'm fucking set for life.

Trotskilicious
07-08-2014, 06:56 PM
Why do you have to keep trying to like an album?

sometimes it just clicks

you know when all your homies who have great taste and like a bunch of shit you like and they like "Oh shit Daydream Nation, son. Seriously. Dopest shit, you feel me?" and I'm like "Word?" and then i try and listen and i don't get it, but i keep at it. Listening again a couple weeks later, maybe a month or two. Then it clicks and everything is gorgeous.

Sometimes you're not sure why an album is so well-regarded but you like some of the tracks but then one day just POW it hits you at how dope the shit is. Fishscale by Ghostface was like this.

Other times you try and try and there's no fucking way you'll ever like it. Neutral Malk Hotel is this and FUCK EM

Trotskilicious
07-08-2014, 06:57 PM
fuzzy has bad fuckin taste though NOFX jesus

Trotskilicious
07-08-2014, 06:58 PM
I really agree with this as pertaining to music in general. "I didn't like it until the third or fourth listen". Right, so you convinced yourself or beat it into your ears like radio does with "hits". Some songs DO grow on you but ultimately if after the second listen i still feel meh about a song or record, chances are ill never warm up to it, i dont' have time to waste trying to like your shit, there's other stuff to listen to. A truly good song should tell you right away it's good. Quite frankly i'm the guy who never ends up listening to more than at best half the songs on any records, for my money few artists have managed to write a full record of good songs and if they did chances are they only did it once. Not that i blame them, writing good music is hard.

i'm sorry don't you hate everything at first anyway

herzogxyu
07-09-2014, 01:55 AM
a lot of revisionist history here. you all are being unfairly cruel to sheitgeist. stellar, ma belle, pomp, neverlost and united states are great songs. allbeit lost in strange production. jimmy's drumming is enough there.

the problem there though is that it sounds exactly like what it is. recorded by 2 guys. instead of the four. either way.
wtf was teargarden? i've been an sp fan since 93 but what was this crap? and why?

why has billy been so resistant to just playing crazy cyber death metal like he has done in the past? masterfully i should add.

and why no acoustic records? no chicago songs? no real release of rome burns?

fuzzyroes
07-09-2014, 04:00 AM
I really agree with this as pertaining to music in general. "I didn't like it until the third or fourth listen". Right, so you convinced yourself or beat it into your ears like radio does with "hits". Some songs DO grow on you but ultimately if after the second listen i still feel meh about a song or record, chances are ill never warm up to it, i dont' have time to waste trying to like your shit, there's other stuff to listen to. A truly good song should tell you right away it's good. Quite frankly i'm the guy who never ends up listening to more than at best half the songs on any records, for my money few artists have managed to write a full record of good songs and if they did chances are they only did it once. Not that i blame them, writing good music is hard.

A lot of my favorite albums of all time have been ones that I didn't initially like or "get". Sometime in like 99 or something I revisited Weezer (I had liked the singles and stuff as a kid and had even seen them live with No Doubt in 97) and bought the Blue Album and fell in love with it. I picked up Pinkerton shortly after and was kinda like "ehhh, I'm not sure I'm digging this" But after sometime and getting over my previous expectations I ended up liking it even more than the Blue album.

To be honest, that scenario happens with me all of the time and it's mostly as a result of my own expectations. You love a band and their sound and you play their albums to death and you excitedly get a new album by said bands and it's a totally different sound than you were hoping for and it can take a little while to get past that and really enjoy the songs for that they are.

Of course, sometimes the new albums actually just suck. That happens a lot too.;)

fuzzyroes
07-09-2014, 04:03 AM
fuzzy has bad fuckin taste though NOFX jesus

NOFX is hilarious man. They're the kinda band you have to be in the right mindset and mood for though

scottytheoneand
07-09-2014, 07:12 AM
I have a feelign that Fuzzy didn't like Pinkerton but jumped on the bandwagon once it was cool to say it was good.

Trotskilicious
07-09-2014, 02:32 PM
They're the kinda band you have to be in the right mindset and mood for though

totally: stupid and juvenile

Trotskilicious
07-09-2014, 02:33 PM
a lot of revisionist history here. you all are being unfairly cruel to sheitgeist. stellar, ma belle, pomp, neverlost and united states are great songs. allbeit lost in strange production. jimmy's drumming is enough there.

revisionist? i hated it from the start

null123
07-09-2014, 03:05 PM
Sometimes the beginning of songs sound really fucking stupid and you have to ignore it to get to the good stuff

Like the feedback squeal at the beginning of Bodies

...

fuzzyroes
07-10-2014, 06:08 AM
I have a feelign that Fuzzy didn't like Pinkerton but jumped on the bandwagon once it was cool to say it was good.

No man. It all started when I got the internet sometime around 98. I started rethinking bands that I liked of whom I hadn't heard their entire records. Being a 12 year old chap you could only buy so many C.D.s with your allowance. I remembered loving my name is Jonas (and of course Buddy Holly), but it didn't get much radio play so I downloaded the Blue album. Fucking loved it, then as I mentioned Pinkerton followed, and it took awhile but it set me on a whole Weezer fandom path.

Those were some fun years, The excitement that followed when they started touring and the news of a new album being worked on. Of course I checked out every B-side and every b-side was fucking awesome too. I still like and respect Weezer, but man, I can't pretend like I wouldn't be REALLY FUCKING DISAPPOINTED if I knew at the time how everything would turn out from the Green album and on. The Green album was a tremendous fucking disappointment in it's own right... But it only got worse.

It's funny, theres definitely a parallel between SP's career and Weezers

fuzzyroes
07-10-2014, 06:16 AM
I turned a shitload of young little teens onto Weezer back in the day before their "comeback".

I don't know that there was ever a " time where it was cool" to say that Pinkerton was good. I think it was just one of those albums that didn't get promoted at the time and grew slowly due to the word of mouth reaction and of course file sharing online made it easy to check out.

It's funny, I remember a time as a kid in like 97 or 98 when the Blue Album was always like the Uber mark-down record, just the cheap 4.99 album in the discount bins from the forgotten "buddy holly music video band". Their resurgence really was a cult-driven thing. If only they could have capitalized off of it.