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scottytheoneand
06-04-2014, 09:34 AM
margin

scottytheoneand
06-04-2014, 09:36 AM
because father's beard looks like taliban

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The Omega Concern
06-04-2014, 01:11 PM
It's plausible this kid was a spy. If so, everything your reading and seeing about this is bullshit.

Trotskilicious
06-04-2014, 03:42 PM
i mean that's what we do when a the minority political opinion really doesn't like a president, right?

democracy happens!

scottytheoneand
06-04-2014, 04:43 PM
No. Not when it's Democrats in charge of congress, because they'd all have to actually vote the same way on something and that almost never happens unless it's a spending bill.

sppunk
06-04-2014, 05:52 PM
I'm most proud this brings to light the ginormous clusterfuck that is Gitmo.

scottytheoneand
06-04-2014, 05:56 PM
Someone mansplain to me how conservatism gets reconciled with indefinite detention?

Answer: racism

Future Boy
06-04-2014, 05:56 PM
out of anything so far this would probably be the closest to a valid reason

Future Boy
06-04-2014, 05:58 PM
have they done anything right since he won re-election? biggest win was the gov shutdown and that was more republican stupidity than anything else, then came the launch and well...hilarity

The Omega Concern
06-04-2014, 08:56 PM
Looks like Obozo is covering for his flunkies mistakes by outing that CIA Chief in Afghanistan last week. Gets the VA off the hot burner for now as well, but both matters have the rank and file in the military pretty ticked off, which is likely the overall goal.

On the back end Holder is galvanizing a task force to look for 'domestic extremist', as this admin continues the march towards homeland tyranny just like it was all set up for starting with 9/11 and the Patriot Act.


War on Terror? You gotta chum for terrorist and expand the definition on the home front to justify all this surveillance.

redbreegull
06-04-2014, 10:52 PM
actually a terrorist is anyone who uses violence against civilians to bring about a strategic end no matter what country they are from, but I understand you've struggled with comprehending what words mean in the past

Trotskilicious
06-04-2014, 11:54 PM
have they done anything right since he won re-election? biggest win was the gov shutdown and that was more republican stupidity than anything else, then came the launch and well...hilarity

lately FB it seems like you're just half assing this whole obama cynic thing because you're running out of shit to complain about

duovamp
06-05-2014, 10:05 AM
Now that's what I call edgy.

Trotskilicious
06-05-2014, 10:36 AM
it's important to criticize obammy but to put it in this chicken little terminology that the sky is falling and everything he's done has been a complete disaster...it begs the question whether or not FB thinks we're actually worse off than we were six years ago

if his answer is yes then you just have to shake your head with pity

duovamp
06-05-2014, 10:39 AM
Nah dude he's so fuckin objective. Just look at how objective he is.

duovamp
06-05-2014, 10:39 AM
I can't obviously because I've had him on ignore for years but you can.

Trotskilicious
06-05-2014, 10:45 AM
"have they done anything right since re-election"

followed by "the launch of the website sucked" and the gov shutdown...

there's literally nothing else he's got

a bad website launch. a website that is now functional. seriously this is something that he puts down as "stuff obama did wrong"

something that was blown out of proportion and has since been forgotten about because it wasn't really that important in the first place

Trotskilicious
06-05-2014, 10:50 AM
i've been guilty of being a spoiled liberal whining about the ACA because there was no public option but now that i know a lot more about it, and see how it impacts lives directly, i can't help but feel foolish for being so adamant that it sucked because of the lack of a public option

now if you get fired because you have to go through chemotherapy, you can get new insurance AND THEY WON'T TELL YOU SORRY WE'RE NOT GOING TO PAY FOR YOUR CANCER TREATMENTS BECAUSE IT'S A PRE EXISTING CONDITION

LIKE A BUNCH OF FUCKING NAZI MONSTERS

Trotskilicious
06-05-2014, 12:05 PM
i mean yeah the website being broke was a snafu and bad for PR but the people who remember it six months after the fact weren't voting for bammers or democrats in the first place, and the general public who were upset about it at the time have now shifted focus to Jonah hill calling someone a faggot and don't remember healthcare.gov

Trotskilicious
06-05-2014, 12:19 PM
WHICH FUCKING WORKS NOW BTW

FutureBoy
06-05-2014, 01:38 PM
I don't really post much politics anymore so I don't get the lately part. my feelings on the aca remain unchanged, the facts of it remain unchanged, the good doesnt offset the bad. if you were unaware of the help it provided people before then way to be ignorant and uninformed, I don't see how that is somehow my shortcoming. that post was more about politics than policy. has there been anything other than the shutdown that wasn't misplayed? it's actually important for the dems that the dem whitehouse look competent. I would hope I don't have to explain why even though Obama isn't running again. and I didn't even touch on the legality bs going on in this swap.

the website isn't fully functional yet btw, you can curse and scream about it more but it won't change that

FutureBoy
06-05-2014, 01:44 PM
but here's a few questions trots

where'd you learn about the aca actually being super mega awesome?

how are we better off now than six years ago? this doesn't mean I say we are or arent, but you clearly do and feel this matters, so please elaborate

when will you learn that in the end I'm usually right anyway?

scottytheoneand
06-05-2014, 02:06 PM
when it comes to criticizing or crediting the ACA as usually it seems to boil down to whether you hate the black president or not.

I am a proponent of real socialized medicine. Not just single payer like Canada, but something more akin to France's system. But I'm also rational enough to admit that without the ACA we would have continued on terrible trend. IE. the good far outweighs the bad.

FutureBoy
06-05-2014, 05:51 PM
shut the fuck up Scotty

Trotskilicious
06-05-2014, 06:38 PM
I don't really post much politics anymore so I don't get the lately part. my feelings on the aca remain unchanged, the facts of it remain unchanged, the good doesnt offset the bad.

how do you figure, sportsfan

i don't think anything "plays well" in a 24 hour news cycle that nitpicks to the point where a functional website still doesn't "work" as per you.

plays well compared to what? The GOP self-combusting in lunacy? I mean seriously what is it not playing well to? You? Leftists who care more about principle than practicality?

Trotskilicious
06-05-2014, 06:39 PM
and if you really need me to explain how we're better off now than we were in 2008 then i can't help you

redbreegull
06-05-2014, 06:42 PM
don't worry FB just two more years til Hillary

The Omega Concern
06-05-2014, 07:56 PM
actually a terrorist is anyone who uses violence against civilians to bring about a strategic end no matter what country they are from, but I understand you've struggled with comprehending what words mean in the past


You don't understand your own intellectual shit you wallow in.


You definitely don't understand the complexity of a tyranny when it starts to clamp down and EXPAND THE DEFINITION of terror. Here's an example:


Government Treated Peaceful Boycott As Terrorism


4,000 pages [of documents] obtained by the Partnership for Civil Justice Fund [through Freedom of Information Act requests] reveal that Fusion Centers and their personnel even conflate their anti-terrorism mission with a need for intelligence gathering on a possible consumer boycott during the holiday season. There are multiple documents from across the country referencing concerns about negative impacts on retail sales.



The Executive Director of the Intelligence Fusion Division, also the Joint Terrorism Task Force Director, for the D.C. Metropolitan Police Department circulated a 30-page report tracking the Occupy Movement in towns and cities across the country created by the trade association the International Council of Shopping Centers (ICSC).


...



The “counter-terrorism” documents contain multiple references to Black Friday boycotts as well as potential negative impacts on retails sales.



PCJF Executive Director Mara Verheyden-Hilliard stated: “It is outrageous that counter-terrorism officials used their anti-terrorism authority and funding to “protect” corporate America from a consumer boycott. It is well past time that the vast flow of tax-payer money to the Fusion Centers be ended.”





www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2014-06-04/government-treated-peaceful-boycott-terrorism

Future Boy
06-05-2014, 08:31 PM
i don't think anything "plays well" in a 24 hour news cycle that nitpicks to the point where a functional website still doesn't "work" as per you.

yeah but Im right, so ok. Ignoring the media side of politics, smart plan, let me know how it works.



plays well compared to what? The GOP self-combusting in lunacy? I mean seriously what is it not playing well to?
the middle, duh. you know there is a sizeable chunk of the public that could really go either way on stuff, and looking like fools doesnt help sway them to your side. You do not belong in this group Trots, but it exists. There are people out there that.......wait for it...dont think like you. I know, fucking weird right? Take a minute to consider that.


You? Leftists who care more about principle than practicality?
Thats not really accurate but you dont have much to hang your hat on so go for it.

and if you really need me to explain how we're better off now than we were in 2008 then i can't help you

I dont need anything, I want to hear what YOU think we are better on now compared to then. This seemed important enough for you to mention as far as my line of thinking, when it really had zero to do with what I said. Well then explain yourself on it.

where'd you learn about the aca actually being super mega awesome?

dont skip this. the good in the bill has been known since the beginning, even Ive acknowledge it. So for you to say you werent aware of it and were only bitching about the PO is pretty surprising to be honest. Im thinking either you benefited from it when you lost your job, or it involves your new non-profit job somehow.

Future Boy
06-05-2014, 08:32 PM
don't worry FB just two more years til Hillary

pretty sure Ive said this before on here, but in case I havent then:

I dont really want her to run.

Future Boy
06-05-2014, 08:33 PM
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please Omega, we're trying to have a discussion here

The Omega Concern
06-05-2014, 08:48 PM
lately FB it seems like you're just half assing this whole obama cynic thing because you're running out of shit to complain about



da fuq you smoking? There's a litany of over the top bullshit coming from the Emperor with no clothes. It's a weekly clusterfuck now. I can overlook the continuation of drug and gun running and even the bogus mercenary induced "Arab Spring" because alot of that is carry over from previous admin's. He's just a puppet after all.


But Barry comes from the land of Marx and that IRS intimidation on political opponents in such a now obvious manner stretches by leaps and bounds what's been done before. How bout that "I'm good at killing people" quote commenting on the drone program. You think a Republican would survive the media onslaught from such a quip?



Glorified college prof surrounded by sycophants to their Utopian nanny state ideal. I think they thought they would get a boost from this, but its been anything but and it comes on the heals of the VA monstrosity starting to stick to him.


I heard a poll today saying it was a 45-45 split on whether this Bergahl trade was a good move or not. Getting back a POW should be a 90-10 spread in favor. It's like a 'what's your feeling on puppies' type a question. Top Dems are backpeddling so who knows what might happen.

Future Boy
06-05-2014, 08:57 PM
please dont help me

The Omega Concern
06-05-2014, 09:05 PM
please Omega, we're trying to have a discussion here



alrighty, rant over.


I'll stick to topic:



Senators Show Frustration After Briefing on Ex-P.O.W.



WASHINGTON — White House officials failed Wednesday night to quell rising anger and frustration in both parties on Capitol Hill after a senators-only classified briefing about President Obama’s decision to free five Taliban prisoners in return for the release of Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl, who military officials say walked off his base in Afghanistan five years ago.


http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/05/world/senators-show-frustration-after-briefing-on-ex-pow.html?_r=0



That's whats going on today with this.


Here's an interesting peak into the past:


http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/americas-last-prisoner-of-war-20120607





America's Last Prisoner of War


Three years ago, a 23-year-old soldier walked off his base in Afghanistan and into the hands of the Taliban. Now he’s a crucial pawn in negotiations to end the war. Will the Pentagon leave a man behind?


By Michael Hastings
June 7, 2012 8:00 AM ET

In June 2012, fearless Rolling Stone contributing edtior Michael Hastings wrote the definitive first account of Bowe Bergdahl — the young American soldier who was captured by the Taliban and became the last American prisoner of war. Hastings, the journalist who brought down the career of General Stanley McChrystal in these pages, died in a car accident one year later. Bergdahl was freed this weekend. Hastings' incredible story is available in full here:




Michael Hastings. The reporter who made a call to arms to his fellow journalist to clamp down on this administration on the national TV Sunday talk shows, then two days later wrapped his BMW into a tree on a residential road at 85 mph. This after he was telling friends he was worried he was being followed and even asked a friend to borrow their car, but they refused.


Nobody really paid much attention to this article when it was released. But the FBI did. They considered "controversial journalism". I'm the middle of it now, its a hell of a read.

The Omega Concern
06-05-2014, 09:06 PM
please dont help me



I have my own point of view, what makes you think it has anything to do with you? I know you awake, so stop tripping.

Trotskilicious
06-05-2014, 11:08 PM
yeah but Im right, so ok. Ignoring the media side of politics, smart plan, let me know how it works.

missing the point as usual, what i'm getting at is the Most Terrible Thing Ever happens every other day and is forgotten about by the next Most Terrible Thing occurs and it seems not to matter over the long run

the middle, duh. you know there is a sizeable chunk of the public that could really go either way on stuff, and looking like fools doesnt help sway them to your side. You do not belong in this group Trots, but it exists. There are people out there that.......wait for it...dont think like you. I know, fucking weird right? Take a minute to consider that.

You mean the middle that re-elected obama and is increasingly more scared of the increasingly more fringe GOP? That middle?


Thats not really accurate but you dont have much to hang your hat on so go for it.



I dont need anything, I want to hear what YOU think we are better on now compared to then. This seemed important enough for you to mention as far as my line of thinking, when it really had zero to do with what I said. Well then explain yourself on it.


dont skip this. the good in the bill has been known since the beginning, even Ive acknowledge it. So for you to say you werent aware of it and were only bitching about the PO is pretty surprising to be honest. Im thinking either you benefited from it when you lost your job, or it involves your new non-profit job somehow.

and not a single shred of reasoning or examples or anything resembling an academic argument, come on man...

yeah perhaps i got a new perspective on things because new shit has come to light, maybe i was too selfish to understand the scope but where is your reasoning, were are your examples, what is really behind your criticism of the ACA other than cynical bitterness?

Trotskilicious
06-05-2014, 11:12 PM
at this point FB the onus is on you to actually provide some examples to really cement your criticism, but you still relentlessly push it onto me as if i owe it to you to explain to you why i'm saying that all you do is moan about how the sky is falling

i'm not any more a fan of our wholly corrupt system than ever but with you it's about OBAMA not AMERICA and you STILL can't really give us an actual outline of what exactly your problem is, and you never have

we are bringing troops home and ending the full scale wars in iraq and afghanistan and you ask how is it possible that we're better off than we are under bush? are you really that completely myopic?

Future Boy
06-06-2014, 12:02 AM
missing the point as usual, what i'm getting at is the Most Terrible Thing Ever happens every other day and is forgotten about by the next Most Terrible Thing occurs and it seems not to matter over the long run

not really

You mean the middle that re-elected obama and is increasingly more scared of the increasingly more fringe GOP? That middle?

this is funny. I think you need to take another minute.



yeah perhaps i got a new perspective on things because new shit has come to light, maybe i was too selfish to understand the scope nothing new has come to light, seriously, nothing. You've changed your position, Im asking why. You can provide it or not, but if you feel on calling me out on this nonsense then explain your change of heart. does it truly honestly just boil down to, oopsie-i wasnt paying attention before.



and not a single shred of reasoning or examples or anything resembling an academic argument, come on man...
....where is your reasoning, were are your examples, what is really behind your criticism of the ACA other than cynical bitterness?

at this point FB the onus is on you to actually provide some examples to really cement your criticism, but you still relentlessly push it onto me as if i owe it to you to explain to you why i'm saying that all you do is moan about how the sky is falling

See heres the thing Trots, Ive given my reasoning, and it was solid enough at the time that you either didnt question it, or maybe were simply not paying attention to it, but I feel absolutely no desire to repeat myself for someone that will automatically criticize me with this tired bullshit that Ive been hearing here for years, <i>especially when I didnt even criticize the ACA!</i> I mentioned the website launch fucked the dem momentum gained from the gov shutdown, how is that even remotely controversial?

The launch was a total clusterfuck, like complete, theres no denying that. Any honest person that 100% supports the ACA cannot deny its launch was anything other than an embarrassment. But yet you felt the need to come to its defense, either because its helping your checking account or you honestly just bothered to inform yourself about shit that happened 4 yrs ago. And Im supposed to what, explain myself to someone that didnt bother to read me the first time, didnt bother to just ask me what I thought about it, but is totally comfortable enough to just launch this type of shit at me:



i'm not any more a fan of our wholly corrupt system than ever but with you it's about OBAMA not AMERICA and you STILL can't really give us an actual outline of what exactly your problem is, and you never have


Well, no. Fuck you, I already have, look for it if you care to, if not then dont. and for the millionth god damn time: Obama is a Pol doing what pols do. I hate the dem supporters like scotty, rbg, and others that clearly fucking know better but cheer or accept shit simply because its democratic shit. Fucking useless. But you guys are practical, if nothing else you have that going for you.

Like, I got favorite pols, Barney frank, Uncle Joe, and pols that I hope join arlen spectre in hell. But honestly who doesnt hate arlen spectre? his family doesnt count. Obama isnt in either group.


we are bringing troops home and ending the full scale wars in iraq and afghanistan and you ask how is it possible that we're better off than we are under bush? are you really that completely myopic?

wars end, big whoop, but you know america-fuck yeah
so, anything else?

Trotskilicious
06-06-2014, 12:21 AM
the helicopter

Trotskilicious
06-06-2014, 12:23 AM
and the website didn't really affect me positively or negatively but i do know for sure that you consume too much media and you think it was a bigger deal than it actually was. but by all means just continue to suck down the blogosphere and pretend like you aren't just completely enveloped in its nihilistic obsession with being completely petty

Trotskilicious
06-06-2014, 12:24 AM
wars end, big whoop, but you know america-fuck yeah
so, anything else?

that's all that is necessary and ultimately all i was going for when i said "we're better off now"

i mean i just think you need to disconnect from this shit

Future Boy
06-06-2014, 01:25 AM
see I would but then 4yrs down the line I'd be all like, "You mean it covers pre-existing conditions?!! Wha..." and well who needs that really

duovamp
06-06-2014, 08:02 AM
I'm willing to relax my standards for president to somewhere below Jesus but anywhere above George W. Bush.

scottytheoneand
06-06-2014, 09:54 AM
The launch was a total clusterfuck, like complete, theres no denying that.

the launch was a success. Look at the enrollment numbers. It was a media/marketing clusterfuck. The issue is whether you view the success of the ACA as a political success that translates to additional authority or political capitol for the president, or the law doing what it was intended to do all along, protect and provide access to health care.



Well, no. Fuck you, I already have, look for it if you care to, if not then dont. and for the millionth god damn time: Obama is a Pol doing what pols do. I hate the dem supporters like scotty, rbg, and others that clearly fucking know better but cheer or accept shit simply because its democratic shit. Fucking useless. But you guys are practical, if nothing else you have that going for you.

Like, I got favorite pols, Barney frank, Uncle Joe, and pols that I hope join arlen spectre in hell. But honestly who doesnt hate arlen spectre? his family doesnt count. Obama isnt in either group.



When it comes to the ACA obama has done mostly the opposite of what a true "pol" would have done. He fought the efforts of his own base to create any kind of socialized medicine so that he could pass a conservative market based plan. IE. he pissed off the people who should have been the ones he would rely on to sell and support it. If he'd been concerned about his popularity or image and building short term political capitol he wouldn't have done this at all. He'd have pushed a few cosmetic reforms and moved on. Every politician before him who's stepped into this has been punished for it.

Also, you don't fucking know me very well. When the ACA was going through congress I opposed it. I support real solialized medicine. I think it's a giant hand out to conservative business interests and it leaves too many people without coverage.

But the reason for it's shortcommings aren't due to the Democratic Base which I mostly support. It's because CONSERVATIVES in the Democratic and Republican party. I'm not a Democrat because I like everything the party stands for. Since I was 18 years old I've worked inside of Left wing groups that in turn work within the Democratic party because there's no other way to have influence in the political process (other than spending a billion dollars to buy politicians).

So go fuck yourself!




wars end, big whoop, but you know america-fuck yeah
so, anything else?

Thanks Obama!

Trotskilicious
06-06-2014, 10:44 AM
I'm willing to relax my standards for president to somewhere below Jesus but anywhere above George W. Bush.

seriously, you can only expect so much from humanity/america/democracy

Trotskilicious
06-06-2014, 10:45 AM
see I would but then 4yrs down the line I'd be all like, "You mean it covers pre-existing conditions?!! Wha..." and well who needs that really

i like how you keep pretending like i didn't know this

i did

i didn't understand it's impact, like you still don't, because it doesn't affect you at all.

Trotskilicious
06-06-2014, 11:06 AM
the launch was a success. Look at the enrollment numbers. It was a media/marketing clusterfuck. The issue is whether you view the success of the ACA as a political success that translates to additional authority or political capitol for the president, or the law doing what it was intended to do all along, protect and provide access to health care.

honestly this is a good point

it's kind of obvious that FB derives most of his analysis from the blogosphere and perhaps cable news, because the hyperbolic hysteria of how things were "handled" or "presented" to the "middle" seems to be totally disconnected from that middle and reality at large, since ultimately the middle they are talking about do not care as much as they do or pay as much obsessive attention to detail

are the drone strikes, illegal wars and other misdeeds worth yelling about? absolutely. is the fucking website an issue? NO. SHUT THE FUCK UP. YOU ARE PLAYING INTO THE CONSERVATIVE NARRATIVE.

FutureBoy
06-06-2014, 01:20 PM
i like how you keep pretending like i didn't know this

i did

i didn't understand it's impact, like you still don't, because it doesn't affect you at all.

not understanding it's impact is just as bad honestly.

how do you know it doesnt?

FutureBoy
06-06-2014, 01:26 PM
them hitting their target numbers doesn't make the launch a success, that's silly

FutureBoy
06-06-2014, 01:30 PM
I can't quote easily on this phone, but Scotty holding the aca up as a testament of some kind to Obama's guts or something, holy fuck dude really? he never feared pissibg of his base, nothing pisses you off. I'll post a facepalm for you later

scottytheoneand
06-06-2014, 02:37 PM
Trots is right. Your opinions seem to be typical media narratives.

Obama is a pro business political and social moderate. The Left wing of his party doesn't agree with him on specifics of many of his political stands/policies and they outrigh disagree with him on many big things. But the alternative is an opposition party run by facists. I'd call the left wing of the party realists when it comes to supporting Obama. That would ******* the members of congress who held their nose when the voted for the ACA.

Bread Regal
06-06-2014, 02:50 PM
I don't really post much politics anymore.

but for some reason you're always on this board.

Starla
06-06-2014, 04:12 PM
see I would but then 4yrs down the line I'd be all like, "You mean it covers pre-existing conditions?!! Wha..." and well who needs that really

If I had to go through Obamacare, it wouldn't have helped me at all. None of the plans cover the medications I'm on, nor does it cover the neurologist I've been seeing for years now. I went through every plan in the market place and not one covers it. One of my medications is $4250.00 a month out of pocket. My insurance covers all of that except for $160.00. There are a lot of people who have found themselves in the same situation, having to either go without, or find a way to afford a higher premium. My premium has gone up by $200.00 a month three months ago, and I'm facing having to take on a second job to afford all of this. I'm not sure I can handle two jobs right now either. My insurance is $738.00 a month now, and it's supposed to go higher next year.

Being on the other side of this, working in health care, I have a front row seat to all of the problems that are taking place, and it has been a huge mess for many people.

FutureBoy
06-06-2014, 05:09 PM
but for some reason you're always on this board.

this board is dead, before this thread what was the last post on here. but feel free to be silly,seems to be the thread for it

FutureBoy
06-06-2014, 05:18 PM
If I had to go through Obamacare, it wouldn't have helped me at all. None of the plans cover the medications I'm on, nor does it cover the neurologist I've been seeing for years now. I went through every plan in the market place and not one covers it. One of my medications is $4250.00 a month out of pocket. My insurance covers all of that except for $160.00. There are a lot of people who have found themselves in the same situation, having to either go without, or find a way to afford a higher premium. My premium has gone up by $200.00 a month three months ago, and I'm facing having to take on a second job to afford all of this. I'm not sure I can handle two jobs right now either. My insurance is $738.00 a month now, and it's supposed to go higher next year.

Being on the other side of this, working in health care, I have a front row seat to all of the problems that are taking place, and it has been a huge mess for many people.
starla you probably just consume too much news media. you need to dumb yourself down some. the less informed you are the better it seems.

Trotskilicious
06-06-2014, 05:41 PM
them hitting their target numbers doesn't make the launch a success, that's silly

you are still too lazy to tell us why it was such a miserable failure

Trotskilicious
06-06-2014, 05:41 PM
starla you probably just consume too much news media. you need to dumb yourself down some. the less informed you are the better it seems.

information is one thing

reading obsessive wonks and not being able to articulate a single reason why you think the way you do is quite another

Trotskilicious
06-06-2014, 05:43 PM
If I had to go through Obamacare, it wouldn't have helped me at all. None of the plans cover the medications I'm on, nor does it cover the neurologist I've been seeing for years now. I went through every plan in the market place and not one covers it. One of my medications is $4250.00 a month out of pocket. My insurance covers all of that except for $160.00. There are a lot of people who have found themselves in the same situation, having to either go without, or find a way to afford a higher premium. My premium has gone up by $200.00 a month three months ago, and I'm facing having to take on a second job to afford all of this. I'm not sure I can handle two jobs right now either. My insurance is $738.00 a month now, and it's supposed to go higher next year.

Being on the other side of this, working in health care, I have a front row seat to all of the problems that are taking place, and it has been a huge mess for many people.

most of your criticism seems to stem from the fact that it's difficult to get uninsured people covered, or the fact that they now have to pay for something they were flirting with disaster in the first place for not having, and assorted apocryphal my cousin's friends sister nonsense

yeah it's inconvenienced some, mostly the young and healthy, and benefited the old, the poor in states that expanded medicaid, and people with pre-existing conditions

also i'm fairly sure your state didn't expand medicare so blame your state republicans for that not this nebulous "obamacare" you scapegoat for everything

also i like how you refer to "obamacare wouldn't have helped me." that doesn't even make sense. you can't be denied coverage for pre existing conditions and a host of other things are benefiting you already, even if you're not using them. your daughter, for example, will be able to use your health coverage until she's in her mid 20s.

yeah health care is expensive and now people have to buy it. oh dear the sky is falling

Trotskilicious
06-06-2014, 05:44 PM
but for some reason you're always on this board.

to be frank all he does is throw in vague cynical remarks so it's not like he actually does post about politics

Bread Regal
06-06-2014, 05:47 PM
your yearly tax bill goes up by 90 bucks if you don't though.

tyranny.

Trotskilicious
06-06-2014, 05:47 PM
them hitting their target numbers doesn't make the launch a success, that's silly

uh it shows the website works, which is something you denied

i've been around software enough to know that it's rare when a launch goes smoothly...i dunno why the launch of the website is such a goddamn big deal to you, you still haven't exactly articulated why exactly it's such a big goddamn deal that it didn't work on the first day

Bread Regal
06-06-2014, 05:47 PM
to be frank all he does is throw in vague cynical remarks so it's not like he actually does post about politics
that's what i was getting at.

Trotskilicious
06-06-2014, 05:48 PM
it's so fucking tiresome

Trotskilicious
06-06-2014, 05:50 PM
your yearly tax bill goes up by 90 bucks if you don't though.

tyranny.

i just love how starla blames "obamacare" for the fact that the insurance offered on the marketplace sucks

that's the industry, starla. it's not "obamacare"

jesus fucking christ

Trotskilicious
06-06-2014, 05:50 PM
ultimately the reason the medical industry is so fucked up is because it's run for profit

i mean there's no amount of legislation that's going to rectify that, and there's no reason to blame the ACA for it

Bread Regal
06-06-2014, 05:52 PM
they're going to create a panel that chooses who gets to receive services, which, in spite of being a total falsehood, is way worse than before when underwriting departments chose who got to receive services.

Trotskilicious
06-06-2014, 05:56 PM
i know, i mean that's exactly what insurance companies were doing and one of the things the ACA attempts to rectify

Trotskilicious
06-06-2014, 05:59 PM
but it's weird how none of the pitchforks are for Aetna, they're all for fucking obama

<img src="http://static.businessinsider.com/image/52b07fc7eab8ea391a9b44c9/image.jpg">

FutureBoy
06-06-2014, 06:21 PM
information is one thing

reading obsessive wonks and not being able to articulate a single reason why you think the way you do is quite another

find what I've already said about it, if something's unclear ask me

reading obsessive wonks and not being able to articulate a single reason why you think the way you do is one thing.

thinking your just not worth the effort is quite another

FutureBoy
06-06-2014, 06:26 PM
uh it shows the website works, which is something you denied

i've been around software enough to know that it's rare when a launch goes smoothly...i dunno why the launch of the website is such a goddamn big deal to you, you still haven't exactly articulated why exactly it's such a big goddamn deal that it didn't work on the first day

because politics

FutureBoy
06-06-2014, 06:28 PM
i just love how starla blames "obamacare" for the fact that the insurance offered on the marketplace sucks

that's the industry, starla. it's not "obamacare"

jesus fucking christ

four years from now this will seem pretty funny to you trots

FutureBoy
06-06-2014, 06:30 PM
the one right after that one too actually, I should've kept reading

Trotskilicious
06-06-2014, 06:38 PM
the helicopter

i grew up FB, i left you behind. I'm not coming back in a couple years and going "yeah maybe i was wrong about FB being mindlessly cynical and myopic about everything just because he's constantly worried about how things 'play' to 'the middle' which he doesn't understand or even connect with" especially when ultimately what you're concerned with is how obama plays to the far left blogosphere which will never be happy with anything because the vast majority of them are bourgeoisie that are completely out of touch with the people they ostensibly care about

without you knowing it, you sound like a beltway insider

i'm not coming back and going "oh it must be obamacare creating the corrupt for-profit health insurance industry, or its for-profit hospitals and it is obamacare to blame for it and it's obamacare that created it"

yeah sure obamacare is playing into it, but ultimately there's a lot of things it did that were good and your all or nothing attitude isn't productive or practical


AND STILL YOU HAVE YET TO SAY ANYTHING OF SUBSTANCE

FutureBoy
06-06-2014, 06:41 PM
the helicopter

FutureBoy
06-06-2014, 06:42 PM
you wouldn't be revisiting me, I didn't quote myself I quoted you

Trotskilicious
06-06-2014, 06:43 PM
i mean even tom tomorrow is kind of okay with ACA

and he's ultimately right about everything, not you

FutureBoy
06-06-2014, 06:48 PM
I'm Mr middle, are you insane

Order 66
06-06-2014, 06:53 PM
them hitting their target numbers doesn't make the launch a success

succeeding at goals isn't success? you're an idiot confirmed

FutureBoy
06-06-2014, 06:57 PM
the launch would be when the website opened, a fairly limited length of time. you can still shop, it will be around for years, that is not it's launch window. but thank you for playing order, please come again

Trotskilicious
06-06-2014, 06:58 PM
i think you don't realize yet that you've been utterly destroyed

Trotskilicious
06-06-2014, 06:58 PM
you still haven't explained to us why the launch is so important

FutureBoy
06-06-2014, 07:00 PM
I'll go easy on you guys and leave out the scrambling and maneuvering they did to hit their "goal "

you're welcome

Trotskilicious
06-06-2014, 07:00 PM
I'm Mr middle, are you insane

you're the one who said you were worried about how things play to the middle

i mean what do you believe exactly, other than nihilism, do you even know?

Trotskilicious
06-06-2014, 07:02 PM
I'll go easy on you guys and leave out the scrambling and maneuvering they did to hit their "goal "

you're welcome

i love how conducting an advertising blitz and interviews on between two ferns is "scrambling and maneuvering" in cynical nihilist world

Trotskilicious
06-06-2014, 07:03 PM
you're the poster child for the political/intellectual suck that is the blogosphere

the death of rational discourse, thy name is future boy

Trotskilicious
06-06-2014, 07:06 PM
you still haven't explained to us why the launch is so important

still waiting

Order 66
06-06-2014, 07:08 PM
the launch would be when the website opened, a fairly limited length of time. you can still shop, it will be around for years, that is not it's launch window. but thank you for playing order, please come again

thats cool. i know you don't have the intellectual capacity for a coherent rebuttal so maybe you should neg rep a bunch of people and go make sandwiches at subway or whatever it is you do

Starla
06-06-2014, 07:19 PM
i just love how starla blames "obamacare" for the fact that the insurance offered on the marketplace sucks

that's the industry, starla. it's not "obamacare"

jesus fucking christ

I've had the same insurance for the past 7 years and it's never gone up that high.

The point is this, what about all of the other people out there who cannot afford high premiums, or can only afford what is in the marketplace, but are not going to get the medications or doctors that they need? If these plans will not offer the full range of care, then they still go without. This act was supposed to provide affordable care for everyone, and let me tell you, it's not affordable for me.

FutureBoy
06-06-2014, 07:22 PM
you still haven't explained to us why the launch is so important

I did that in the first post

Trotskilicious
06-06-2014, 07:24 PM
well i'm just gonna smoke drugs and watch the world burn
we'll all take turns
i'll get mine too

Trotskilicious
06-06-2014, 07:24 PM
The point is this, what about all of the other people out there who cannot afford high premiums, or can only afford what is in the marketplace, but are not going to get the medications or doctors that they need? If these plans will not offer the full range of care, then they still go without. This act was supposed to provide affordable care for everyone, and let me tell you, it's not affordable for me.

these are great questions, but i'd like to know why you blame obama and this nebulous concept of "obamacare" (a conservative buzzphrase for the ACA that "liberals" like Futureboy further extended to make it some kind of pejorative catch all for a multifaceted program with a lot of ins and a lot of outs) instead of the private insurance companies that are literally profiting from human misery

further, again, the fact that half of the states have denied the expansion of medicare is why A LOT of the people you feel are being victimized are actually being victimized

one of the reasons the declination of expansion of medicaid is such a slam dunk for GOP states is because they know people will blame obama for the fact that they don't have access to affordable care, and you're feeding directly into that misconception

FutureBoy
06-06-2014, 07:25 PM
thats cool. i know you don't have the intellectual capacity for a coherent rebuttal so maybe you should neg rep a bunch of people and go make sandwiches at subway or whatever it is you do

so at what point would the launch window close, like next year or something

FutureBoy
06-06-2014, 07:26 PM
drugs are bad trots

Trotskilicious
06-06-2014, 07:28 PM
like i said, ultimately the for-profit health industry is the issue as well as the fact that general americans are terrified of socialized medicine

perhaps the failures of obamacare will open that discussion more, perhaps it won't, but ultimately a lot of the things obama is being held accountable for are systemic problems that extend well beyond his grasp

Order 66
06-06-2014, 07:32 PM
so at what point would the launch window close, like next year or something

10 million people were insured early in the year you fucking idiot

Starla
06-06-2014, 07:35 PM
most of your criticism seems to stem from the fact that it's difficult to get uninsured people covered, or the fact that they now have to pay for something they were flirting with disaster in the first place for not having, and assorted apocryphal my cousin's friends sister nonsense

yeah it's inconvenienced some, mostly the young and healthy, and benefited the old, the poor in states that expanded medicaid, and people with pre-existing conditions

also i'm fairly sure your state didn't expand medicare so blame your state republicans for that not this nebulous "obamacare" you scapegoat for everything

also i like how you refer to "obamacare wouldn't have helped me." that doesn't even make sense. you can't be denied coverage for pre existing conditions and a host of other things are benefiting you already, even if you're not using them. your daughter, for example, will be able to use your health coverage until she's in her mid 20s.

yeah health care is expensive and now people have to buy it. oh dear the sky is falling


No, it makes perfect sense. If I had to go through any of the plans in the market place, I would not get the medication or coverage I need. Thankfully, I don't have to, but what about other people?

Medicaid expansion goes on the ballot this fall, and will be left up to the people to decide.

FutureBoy
06-06-2014, 07:37 PM
10 million people were insured early in the year you fucking idiot

so it's still going then, let me know when it ends

Order 66
06-06-2014, 07:41 PM
it did close. and it was a success. and you're fucking retarded

Trotskilicious
06-06-2014, 07:44 PM
No, it makes perfect sense. If I had to go through any of the plans in the market place, I would not get the medication or coverage I need. Thankfully, I don't have to, but what about other people?

your experience isn't universal, for one thing

and second, well shit mostly it's the first thing. but still, you're complaining about the high cost of something they didn't ever have access to at all before. Further, ultimately the people being "hurt" by obamacare are the young & healthy, and the people who benefit are mostly the old, poor, and people with chronic conditions and other situations. I'm sure there are exceptions but there's going to be outliers for everything. i'm not discounting their experience but ultimately it's a systemic problem, not a result of the grim specter of "obmacare"

So, I'm still not certain how you act as if this is somekind of universal truth that the fact that you couldn't get cheaper care through the marketplace means that everyone in the country is getting fucked...it's just not true and it's coming out of conservative propaganda machines (like alex jones and infowars) that you often get sucked into for some reason

yeah my service industry buddies now need to cough up like 200 a month or more that they didn't have to before because of the ACA, but ultimately why isn't their place of employment contributing like mine is? Again, systemic exploitation of labor, not "obamacare"

Medicaid expansion goes on the ballot this fall, and will be left up to the people to decide.

and it will be rejected because obama and socialism

FutureBoy
06-06-2014, 07:45 PM
it did close. and it was a success. and you're fucking retarded

ok thanks

Starla
06-06-2014, 07:46 PM
these are great questions, but i'd like to know why you blame obama and this nebulous concept of "obamacare" (a conservative buzzphrase for the ACA that "liberals" like Futureboy further extended to make it some kind of pejorative catch all for a multifaceted program with a lot of ins and a lot of outs) instead of the private insurance companies that are literally profiting from human misery

further, again, the fact that half of the states have denied the expansion of medicare is why A LOT of the people you feel are being victimized are actually being victimized

one of the reasons the declination of expansion of medicaid is such a slam dunk for GOP states is because they know people will blame obama for the fact that they don't have access to affordable care, and you're feeding directly into that misconception

Those are some great questions.... and I'd love to know what is going to be done to fix the problems.

I'm not against medicaid expansion, I never was. BUT, I have said that medicaid offers poor care, and I stand by that. Medicaid is the same thing as what I had growing up on tribal health... and I've watched too many die on it, from poor care and poor outcomes, and a lot of the doctors who accept it, are not that great either.

This act is not going to stop insurance companies from profiting from human misery.

I think debating all of the reasons I don't like Obama (and it's not just health care issues) is a waste of time.

FutureBoy
06-06-2014, 07:49 PM
you feel better order, been sitting on that for a while huh champ

Trotskilicious
06-06-2014, 07:50 PM
yeah lets just trash the program because it doesn't benefit you

spoken like true conservatives

Order 66
06-06-2014, 07:52 PM
ok thanks

no prob dumbass

Starla
06-06-2014, 07:53 PM
your experience isn't universal, for one thing

and second, well shit mostly it's the first thing. but still, you're complaining about the high cost of something they didn't ever have access to at all before. Further, ultimately the people being "hurt" by obamacare are the young & healthy, and the people who benefit are mostly the old, poor, and people with chronic conditions and other situations. I'm sure there are exceptions to everything but there's going to be outliers for everything.

So, I'm still not certain how you act as if this is somekind of universal truth that the fact that you couldn't get cheaper care through the marketplace means that everyone in the country is getting fucked...it's just not true and it's coming out of conservative propaganda machines (like alex jones and infowars) that you often get sucked into for some reason

yeah my service industry buddies now need to cough up like 200 a month or more that they didn't have to before because of the ACA, but ultimately why isn't their place of employment contributing like mine is? Again, systemic exploitation of labor, not "obamacare"



and it will be rejected because obama and socialism

Do you know how many people in America have multiple sclerosis and need expensive drugs that they will not be able to access through the market place?

The only drugs available right now is Copaxone and Rebif, but neurologists do not prescribe those as much anymore because they are older, and do not work as well.

My problem is common..... and if people with ms cannot get the care they need through the marketplace, they will go without it, especially if they cannot afford another plan outside of that.

That's one example for you. I haven't even gotten into the cancer medications and experimental treatments no longer offered.

This has not just hurt the young and healthy. It's hurting people who can no longer afford their insurance premiums...

Thank you for assuming that my information (which is based on what I see on the job) is all based on Alex Jones and infowars. :rolleyes:

Starla
06-06-2014, 07:55 PM
yeah lets just trash the program because it doesn't benefit you

spoken like true conservatives

Are you talking to me?

Trotskilicious
06-06-2014, 07:59 PM
Those are some great questions.... and I'd love to know what is going to be done to fix the problems.

well that's no reason to throw the baby out with the bath water

this thing does A LOT of good for people, but you seem not to even give it that much credit, apparently because the marketplace didn't save you any money.

I'm not against medicaid expansion, I never was. BUT, I have said that medicaid offers poor care, and I stand by that. Medicaid is the same thing as what I had growing up on tribal health... and I've watched too many die on it, from poor care and poor outcomes, and a lot of the doctors who accept it, are not that great either.

No kidding. America's social programs suck, that's not the fault of the social program itself. You're using personal experiences to justify conservative narratives. Instead of being mad at the people who make medicaid suck, you're mad at medicaid itself. A fat, rich white guy smiles in his leather bound chair somewhere when he reads things like this.

I think debating all of the reasons I don't like Obama (and it's not just health care issues) is a waste of time.

i'm not here endorsing obama, i'm just getting really sick of people complaining about something that they seem not to understand

and it's not about pointing out how it under-serves people or its shortcomings, that would be productive, it seems more like you ultimately want it repealed for a lot of emotional reasons that fall apart under scrutiny

ultimately i think you don't like this because you can't see how it benefits you directly

ultimately why i think FB doesn't like it is because he is a cynical dickhead

Trotskilicious
06-06-2014, 07:59 PM
Are you talking to me?

absolutely

do you know how much you sound like a republican?

Trotskilicious
06-06-2014, 08:01 PM
Do you know how many people in America have multiple sclerosis and need expensive drugs that they will not be able to access through the market place?

The only drugs available right now is Copaxone and Rebif, but neurologists do not prescribe those as much anymore because they are older, and do not work as well.

My problem is common..... and if people with ms cannot get the care they need through the marketplace, they will go without it, especially if they cannot afford another plan outside of that.

still blaming the marketplace for this

what would occur without the marketplace

That's one example for you. I haven't even gotten into the cancer medications and experimental treatments no longer offered.

i'd love for you to get into cancer treatment and the ACA.

It's hurting people who can no longer afford their insurance premiums...

for the last time, how is this the ACA's fault and not the insurance industry

Trotskilicious
06-06-2014, 08:03 PM
i mean seriously starla, what is the alternative? how has the marketplace made it "worse" than the pre-ACA status quo?

Starla
06-06-2014, 08:03 PM
This wasn't about ME. It's about how it affects OTHERS. I'm giving my experience as an example for what MANY OTHERS are facing.

Social programs SUCK .... I want to see better for everyone. Even if the act is just a beginning, we have one hell of a long way to go to address all of the new problems created by it.

You're the one bringing politics in to this in regards to my posts, where all I have discussed is the problems with health care alone.

Starla
06-06-2014, 08:06 PM
absolutely

do you know how much you sound like a republican?

I'm not upset with this program because it doesn't benefit ME. Do you really think I'm a selfish person or what?

Trotskilicious
06-06-2014, 08:06 PM
still haven't told me exactly how the ACA has created these problems for others, one of the things was that marketplace insurance doesn't provide coverage for certain drug treatment

on the other hand, if there was no ACA or the marketplace <I>they wouldn't even have a fucking option AT ALL</i>

FutureBoy
06-06-2014, 08:06 PM
republican scum

Trotskilicious
06-06-2014, 08:07 PM
I'm not upset with this program because it doesn't benefit ME. Do you really think I'm a selfish person or what?

no, but you led with that example so i can't help but hammer on it

ultimately i think you are a leftist that cares about people, but you place the blame on the wrong culprits

Starla
06-06-2014, 08:07 PM
still blaming the marketplace for this

what would occur without the marketplace



i'd love for you to get into cancer treatment and the ACA.



for the last time, how is this the ACA's fault and not the insurance industry

I'd like for you to do the research on your own, because anything I present here might come from info wars.

Trotskilicious
06-06-2014, 08:10 PM
don't deny you dip into that pond from time to time

scottytheoneand
06-06-2014, 08:11 PM
the launch would be when the website opened, a fairly limited length of time. you can still shop, it will be around for years, that is not it's launch window. but thank you for playing order, please come again

Launch would be the first open enrollment period. Its like you define shit strictly to support you fox news argument

Starla
06-06-2014, 08:11 PM
no, but you lead with that example so i can't help but hammer on it

ultimately i think you are a leftist that cares about people, but you place the blame on the wrong culprits

I think I place the blame on anyone responsible, from dems to repubs. I really wish politics wasn't involved in health care. It shouldn't be.

I think people who do not work in health care, don't understand how much this has hurt others, because they don't see the denials, and the programs/medicines/treatments/surgeries that medicaid or marketplace plans won't cover.

Ultimately, how will expanded medicaid stay afloat and will people get what they need. Those are my concerns....

Starla
06-06-2014, 08:12 PM
don't deny you dip into that pond from time to time

I don't read info wars. Do you honestly take me as someone who believes everything I read? As much as I have joked on this forum about conspiracies... seriously?

scottytheoneand
06-06-2014, 08:12 PM
Its also funny that many of the components of the ACA were already in place prior to the insurance marketplaces.

But the launch was a "failure"

Keep moving the goalposts

Trotskilicious
06-06-2014, 08:13 PM
I really wish politics wasn't involved in health care. It shouldn't be.

???

what should be involved in health care, then?

I think people who do not work in health care, don't understand how much this has hurt others, because they don't see the denials, and the programs/medicines/treatments/surgeries that medicaid or marketplace plans won't cover.

still blaming the ACA and marketplace for the insurance industry

Starla
06-06-2014, 08:14 PM
You were on my facebook for months. I have to wonder what you really think about me. Not sure why you're being nasty today. Whatever...

Trotskilicious
06-06-2014, 08:14 PM
and still not explaining to me how the pre-ACA status quo was getting people the treatment they need and the drugs they want and paying for the surgeries they required

FutureBoy
06-06-2014, 08:15 PM
Launch would be the first open enrollment period

no, that's how you would define the launch.

this isn't very hard here people

Trotskilicious
06-06-2014, 08:16 PM
You were on my facebook for months. I have to wonder what you really think about me. Not sure why you're being nasty today. Whatever...

i'm not being nasty! i haven't said you were stupid or an idiot or personally insulting to you. yeah i said you "sound like a republican" because you kind of do

i like you bunches, i just think you're going about this the wrong way

but c'est la vie

i am tired, i wish debaser was here

ultimately i don't hold this against you

just futureboy

Trotskilicious
06-06-2014, 08:17 PM
I don't read info wars. Do you honestly take me as someone who believes everything I read? As much as I have joked on this forum about conspiracies... seriously?

well i wasn't really sure if you were always joking to be honest, you got that deadpan

FutureBoy
06-06-2014, 08:18 PM
Its also funny that many of the components of the ACA were already in place prior to the insurance marketplaces.

But the launch was a "failure"

Keep moving the goalposts

I haven't said anything about the components of aca, Trotskys even mentioned it a few times now, are you confusing me and Starla

FutureBoy
06-06-2014, 08:21 PM
ultimately i don't hold this against you

just futureboy

what why, I'm like 100% with Starla

Trotskilicious
06-06-2014, 08:23 PM
because your phony know-it-all crap has worn thin and the fact that for six years you have steadfastly refused to make any sort of substantive argument while demanding others to do so in response to your vague cynical snark is just incredible

Trotskilicious
06-06-2014, 08:25 PM
i mean if this is all a troll, masterful work. you've kept it up for nearly six years now!

FutureBoy
06-06-2014, 08:25 PM
oh ok

FutureBoy
06-06-2014, 08:28 PM
that's completely wrong btw, and I would destroy every piece of it if I felt like typing with anything other than Swype,

Trotskilicious
06-06-2014, 08:32 PM
the helicopter

Starla
06-06-2014, 10:38 PM
Why does it matter what I sound like? I'm conservative on some issues, and lean to the left on others. I've already said many times, I'm tired of the dem and repub parties.

Starla
06-06-2014, 10:39 PM
what why, I'm like 100% with Starla

I thought I recognized you from GLP :cool:

Future Boy
06-06-2014, 11:01 PM
pm me your handle, we'll rule two boards

Future Boy
06-06-2014, 11:04 PM
well talk about how trots crush on you keeps him from attacking you and holding things against you

Trotskilicious
06-06-2014, 11:08 PM
Why does it matter what I sound like? I'm conservative on some issues, and lean to the left on others. I've already said many times, I'm tired of the dem and repub parties.

you can't really have your cake and eat it too, you have to have a consistent ideology

i think you already know how i feel about parties/our "democracy"

Trotskilicious
06-06-2014, 11:09 PM
well talk about how trots crush on you keeps him from attacking you and holding things against you

shut the fuck up you creep

Future Boy
06-06-2014, 11:10 PM
When it comes to the ACA obama has done mostly the opposite of what a true "pol" would have done. He fought the efforts of his own base to create any kind of socialized medicine so that he could pass a conservative market based plan. IE. he pissed off the people who should have been the ones he would rely on to sell and support it. If he'd been concerned about his popularity or image and building short term political capitol he wouldn't have done this at all. He'd have pushed a few cosmetic reforms and moved on. Every politician before him who's stepped into this has been punished for it.

http://scottystarnes.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/obama-facepalm.jpg

Future Boy
06-06-2014, 11:11 PM
shut the fuck up you creep

see we cant do it here he'll get all touchy

Trotskilicious
06-06-2014, 11:13 PM
i'm gonna go HAM all over you dogg

Starla
06-07-2014, 01:20 AM
you have to have a consistent ideology



lol come on...

Starla
06-07-2014, 01:22 AM
pm me your handle, we'll rule two boards

Sadly, I'm just an AC. Thanks to obamacare, I can't afford to pay $10 a month there.

scottytheoneand
06-07-2014, 12:07 PM
This wasn't about ME. It's about how it affects OTHERS. I'm giving my experience as an example for what MANY OTHERS are facing.

Social programs SUCK .... I want to see better for everyone. Even if the act is just a beginning, we have one hell of a long way to go to address all of the new problems created by it.

You're the one bringing politics in to this in regards to my posts, where all I have discussed is the problems with health care alone.

No. you're like a broken record. You keep making comments about how the ACA is hurting people. But if you look at the measurable effects of the law, like health care costs, enrollment numbers, etc. most of you comments don't make any sense and sound wildly subjective. What you're really complaining about are benefits or services that the ACA doesn't provide for. But that was the case BEFORE the ACA, so how do rationalize blaming one thing after another on it?

The ACA only does so much. If you want universal affordable coverage you'd need a national single payer program, either fully socialized or "Medicare" style like Canada or Japan that has strict cost controls.

If you want that you first need to have a majority of Americans who want it. otherwise conservatives in both parties aren't going to implement anything like that.

redbreegull
06-07-2014, 12:11 PM
this argument has been hashed out with starla 10+ times. she doesn't care about utilitarianism.

Trotskilicious
06-07-2014, 02:26 PM
well she also doesn't seem willing to answer my questions either

Trotskilicious
06-07-2014, 03:20 PM
lol come on...

What? Cherry picking different things from the right and the left often ends up with contradicting principles eg "I want low taxes but better social services."

and that's why our country sucks and our democracy doesn't work

Trotskilicious
06-07-2014, 03:21 PM
"I want the health care industry to be fixed but I want the federal government to be small and stay out of our lives."

scottytheoneand
06-07-2014, 03:23 PM
keep the government out of my Medicare!

Starla
06-07-2014, 03:38 PM
this argument has been hashed out with starla 10+ times. she doesn't care about utilitarianism.

I just love how people on netphoria think they know me...

Starla
06-07-2014, 03:47 PM
well she also doesn't seem willing to answer my questions either

Maybe because I've answered/discussed/debated these same questions in other threads, I work long days with a lot of paper work, and don't feel like going over the same thing repeatedly?

You don't like to hear anything that doesn't agree with you. It seems like a waste of time.

I'm going to post my opinion on something, based on first hand experiences, and you're going to tell me it's not real, or bullshit.

scottytheoneand
06-07-2014, 03:51 PM
the problem is the conclusions you draw from your first hand experience

scottytheoneand
06-07-2014, 03:52 PM
it's akin to people saying climate change isn't real because it's cold where they live on any particular day of the year.

first hand experience!

Order 66
06-07-2014, 04:03 PM
they're pretty straightforward questions. you expect not to be called out for not answering them? i mean...

Starla
06-07-2014, 04:04 PM
The conclusions I draw? I'm sorry, but there's no way to misconstrue the number of problems I'm seeing that has arisen since this law went into effect. It's discussed every week at our Sat morning meetings. This law has created a huge mess... for too many. If you think that all health care providers support and like what the aca has done... you're in for a surprise.

FutureBoy
06-07-2014, 04:08 PM
they're probably just republican scum

Starla
06-07-2014, 04:10 PM
they're pretty straightforward questions. you expect not to be called out for not answering them? i mean...

Because I've answered these same questions before.... and I'm going to give the same answers. My opinions have not changed. Like I said, I'll waste my time answering them, then I'll get told it's bullshit. Why bother?

The problem is, some people want to believe that this law is just wonderful.. When I see the problems first hand, then I'm just mistaken somehow.... or don't know what I'm talking about and I'm just somehow spewing conservative rhetoric. I guess that's just the problem with all of my co-workers and my boss as well.... they all don't know what they are talking about, when we sit down at our meetings and discuss the problems that are happening. They all must be conservative, refusing to look at the silver lining in the rainbow.

Starla
06-07-2014, 04:15 PM
they're probably just republican scum

Yep.. how dare you face reality, fb.

Order 66
06-07-2014, 04:17 PM
it just seems like a copout tbh.. you can't spend two minutes typing out a paragraph? i know its annoying to repeat yourself but why post about it at all if you're going to throw in your 2 cents

who knows a maybe you'll prove a point

scottytheoneand
06-07-2014, 04:29 PM
she spends plenty of time typing. just not anything that makes any sense

Trotskilicious
06-07-2014, 04:41 PM
The conclusions I draw? I'm sorry, but there's no way to misconstrue the number of problems I'm seeing that has arisen since this law went into effect. It's discussed every week at our Sat morning meetings. This law has created a huge mess... for too many.

and yet you still can't tell us how the previous system was more beneficial

and then you fall back on "it's because you don't agree with it." All I'm asking is for you to provide some kind of demonstrable evidence to support your cause and you just can't. I'm asking you to show me how exactly the ACA itself is fucking these people over and you keep coming back to the "marketplace" which is where people are given access to health insurance that they may not have had any access to in the first place. Is that more pleasing to you? Uninsured people who don't have any options at all? I don't get it.

How about this: What exactly do you want?

If you think that all health care providers support and like what the aca has done... you're in for a surprise.

nobody said that

Trotskilicious
06-07-2014, 05:01 PM
it's really incredible to me that the two people who want to bag on the ACA the most can't be bothered to explain to us why

FutureBoy
06-07-2014, 06:10 PM
the helicopter

.

Starla
06-07-2014, 06:24 PM
There are at least two other threads where I've discussed all of this. I could easily list examples of problems I'm seeing first hand, but then I'd be accused of lying or conservative thinking, when it really has nothing to do with being a conservative or liberal at all. You can't think beyond your party line.... you want to believe the fantasy that everything is fine, and that it's all better than the status quo. What can I possibly offer here to change your mind? Nothing. It's much easier for you to believe what you want, and that's exactly what I've seen every single time this discussion comes up.

The funny thing is, all I did was respond to future about my insurance going up and bam, you jumped all over me for that.... assuming that it's just part of the industry, when I said it wasn't, and that the aca has caused premiums to go up. You still don't want to believe that the aca created premiums to go up like this. I discussed my personal example of how the aca is working for people with ms, then I was told that my problem is not common, when it is.... then I was accused of hating the program, only because it didn't benefit me.

So if I listed more examples of things similar to what has happened with me, all you're going to do is say "oh you're just spewing conservative rhetoric, it's not real, it's a lie blah blah blah obama hater......"

I remember in another thread, stating that the ACA would cause people to lose their insurance at their places of employment and I was laughed at and told it would never happen, and that if it did, it was because it was a junk plan. When I said that not everyone has a junk plan, I was laughed at again.

This is bullshit.... believe what you want. It's easier that way.

Starla
06-07-2014, 06:28 PM
it's really incredible to me that the two people who want to bag on the ACA the most can't be bothered to explain to us why

The internet holds a vast wealth of information about the problems with the ACA, many, unbiased resources, yet here you are attacking us because we don't like the program.... maybe you should take some time and start looking into it yourself?

Or are you just biased, because it's working for you. Screw the rest, right?

Starla
06-07-2014, 06:34 PM
The thing is, once you've accused me of being self centered, and getting information from infowars, I don't feel so much like putting any effort into this discussion. You've insulted me already.... you can't have discussions without attacking people on a personal level. Do you realize how old that gets, and why I don't give a fuck now?

Starla
06-07-2014, 06:40 PM
All I'm asking is for you to provide some kind of demonstrable evidence to support your cause and you just can't.

Because I can't provide people's personal information.... ? I can only provide basically what has happened, but you're not willing to accept that as truth. I'm not a liar... but you are ready to discredit me anyway.


nobody said that

Yet you support it .... cause, it's better than status quo. Maybe you should start talking to some other health care providers and get their take on it, don't just take my word for it, cause infowars.

Starla
06-07-2014, 06:43 PM
Scotty, as it is, I don't give a fuck what you have to say after your rude posts about my sister in the other thread.

I'm not sure why I bother coming to netphoria anymore. Maybe it is time to just fucking leave.... I cannot share anything without being attacked here. I'm just not into that anymore. Maybe it's cause I don't actively seek to attack others... I don't fit in.

FutureBoy
06-07-2014, 06:48 PM
yeah I already explained to him why I won't engage him now (same thing really). he's still all like mystified.

like trots I'm really happy you just now realized that when they said some people would get coverage that they were talking about actual human beings, but you know some of us already knew that and yet remained unimpressed

FutureBoy
06-07-2014, 06:51 PM
it's my fault he got nasty starla, I think he was just trying to somehow show that his heart does not in fact burn for you

Starla
06-07-2014, 06:57 PM
it's my fault he got nasty starla, I think he was just trying to somehow show that his heart does not in fact burn for you

No, I think he's just been like that all long, and finally got around to me.

I've been posting here for years, without attacking other people on a personal level... and I guess it's just getting old now. The only reason I keep coming around here, is because I genuinely like reading a few people, like Erica. But even she's been told to stfu a time or two, when I really think she's a kind person.... just sharing.

You can't really hang here, if your opinions don't fall in line with everyone else. It's getting ridiculous.

Trotskilicious
06-07-2014, 06:59 PM
The internet holds a vast wealth of information about the problems with the ACA, many, unbiased resources, yet here you are attacking us because we don't like the program.... maybe you should take some time and start looking into it yourself?

Or are you just biased, because it's working for you. Screw the rest, right?

because your reasons are fucking uninformed bullshit, starla.

i'm done with this.

Trotskilicious
06-07-2014, 07:00 PM
i never attacked you on a personal level in this argument, you're just taking it personally because you can't deal with me challenging your reasoning

it's a super easy cop out, go ahead. just whatever, i don't give a shit if you continue to blame obama for every goddamn thing in the world

just pretend i said you were a stupid idiot or whatever, it's not like FB is deliberately escalating the situation because he's a pathetic troll

Starla
06-07-2014, 07:00 PM
yeah, I work in health care, but I'm uninformed. Thank you.

Starla
06-07-2014, 07:03 PM
i never attacked you on a personal level in this argument, you're just taking it personally because you can't deal with me challenging your reasoning

You tried to accuse me of being self centered, because the program didn't work for me, then said I get my information through conspiracy theories. My reasoning has been challenged enough in other discussions.

Trotskilicious
06-07-2014, 07:05 PM
it's not a personal attack when you say someone is uninformed because they blame the marketplace and "obamacare" for the quality of health care on the marketplace

it's calling a spade a spade

Trotskilicious
06-07-2014, 07:07 PM
i say you get your information from the conservative media and infowars because so far every talking point you've brought up is directly from that media sphere and you can't elaborate on it at all

if that's a personal insult i don't know what to tell you, stay out of political discussion then.

personal insults are what i've been lobbing at futureboy, who again, is deliberately goading you into attacking me for his own amusement.

FutureBoy
06-07-2014, 07:08 PM
I didn't drag her into this, ur own doing guy

Trotskilicious
06-07-2014, 07:09 PM
so what's with all your shitty little provocative comments then? all you've done is stoke the fire. that response is just another example of it. legitimizing this concept that i'm personally attacking starla because her arguments are full of holes.

you are human filth, futureboy.

Starla
06-07-2014, 07:10 PM
Well, I disagree with you. I'm not uninformed. I've been working in health care long enough to see the changes that has taken place since the aca went into effect.

Trotskilicious
06-07-2014, 07:13 PM
so how come you can't tell me about the negative changes?

how come every one you've brought up so far people ask you "how is that different or worse than the old status quo?" and you can't answer it, you just use escape hatches?

seriously i'm done here, someone else can take over

and fuck you futureboy you goddamn good for nothing basement dwelling troll.

Starla
06-07-2014, 07:13 PM
i say you get your information from the conservative media and infowars because so far every talking point you've brought up is directly from that media sphere and you can't elaborate on it at all

if that's a personal insult i don't know what to tell you, stay out of political discussion then.

personal insults are what i've been lobbing at futureboy, who again, is deliberately goading you into attacking me for his own amusement.

And... that is YOUR opinion. I barely have time to watch or read the news these days. If that is how you see me, then you really don't know one damn thing about me at all. You're basically saying I'm so ignorant, I get my talking points from only one source. I guess I will just..stay out of political discussion then. Then you can have the whole board to yourself.... where your opinions are the only right ones here.

Starla
06-07-2014, 07:14 PM
so how come you can't tell me about the negative changes?

I already have and you said it was just conservative talking points. Right? I've probably wasted enough time in other threads, discussing them there as well.

Trotskilicious
06-07-2014, 07:15 PM
yeah they are conservative talking points that fall apart as soon as you ask "how is that different or worse than the old status quo?"

Starla
06-07-2014, 07:15 PM
and fuck you futureboy you goddamn good for nothing basement dwelling troll.

You're going to blame him for your posts here? You're not in control of what you write?

Trotskilicious
06-07-2014, 07:16 PM
the biggest one is "people have to pay for health care now"

okay, fine. you win that one.

Trotskilicious
06-07-2014, 07:17 PM
You're going to blame him for your posts here? You're not in control of what you write?

there isn't a single personal insult in any one of my posts, i made sure of that because i'm talking to someone i like

but whatever starla, whatever.

futureboy legitimized the idea that i was personally attacking you with his constant shitty little comments and you're now acting like i'm viciously attacking you

Starla
06-07-2014, 07:17 PM
yeah they are conservative talking points that fall apart as soon as you ask "how is that different or worse than the old status quo?"

Why do you care since I'm so uninformed?

I'm so stupid, I can only understand infowars.

Trotskilicious
06-07-2014, 07:29 PM
i think there's really only one answer to that question.

Future Boy
06-07-2014, 08:04 PM
Id like to point out that what she took offense to was said to her before I said anything at all, if Im somehow responsible for trolling you into saying something to her so I could then troll her into taking offense and retaliating then god damn am I good or what

Trotskilicious
06-07-2014, 08:15 PM
shut the fuck up you fucking wanker

you know exactly what you were doing, and it wasn't whatever nonsense you just wrote

Future Boy
06-07-2014, 08:19 PM
you want me to quote the series of posts

Future Boy
06-07-2014, 08:33 PM
???

what should be involved in health care, then?



still blaming the ACA and marketplace for the insurance industry

You were on my facebook for months. I have to wonder what you really think about me. Not sure why you're being nasty today. Whatever...

i'm not being nasty! i haven't said you were stupid or an idiot or personally insulting to you. yeah i said you "sound like a republican" because you kind of do

i like you bunches, i just think you're going about this the wrong way

but c'est la vie

i am tired, i wish debaser was here

ultimately i don't hold this against you

just futureboy

Why does it matter what I sound like? I'm conservative on some issues, and lean to the left on others. I've already said many times, I'm tired of the dem and repub parties.

well talk about how trots crush on you keeps him from attacking you and holding things against you

shut the fuck up you creep

see we cant do it here he'll get all touchy

The thing is, once you've accused me of being self centered, and getting information from infowars, I don't feel so much like putting any effort into this discussion. You've insulted me already.... you can't have discussions without attacking people on a personal level. Do you realize how old that gets, and why I don't give a fuck now?

...and then I mentioned that your heart burns for her

but you'd already insulted her by then, you just ignored her telling you so because a spade is a spade or some shit like that

surprisingly "I only called you an idiot because you sound like one" didnt sit right with her for some reason

Order 66
06-07-2014, 09:17 PM
keep the white knighting in your pm box

Trotskilicious
06-07-2014, 09:22 PM
i love how he quotes all of it so any rational person can see what a creepy instigator he is rather conveniently.

also it managed to shift attention away from the fact that he embarrassed himself in this thread, so there's also that.

get fucked, futureboy

Trotskilicious
06-07-2014, 09:23 PM
and he's been sitting in this thread all day like some kind of toad, just waiting to stoke the fires a little more

Future Boy
06-07-2014, 09:29 PM
nah i was in sp for a while

Order 66
06-07-2014, 09:32 PM
fuck off you fat loser

Future Boy
06-07-2014, 09:35 PM
the helicopter?

Future Boy
06-07-2014, 09:42 PM
damn had i noticed i wouldve gone with margin

redbreegull
06-07-2014, 11:09 PM
I just love how people on netphoria think they know me...

what I know is that you are unable to be swayed by arguments of "the greatest common good" and I know this from having several lengthy arguments with you over the efficacy of the ACA and other elements of the Obama presidency

Starla
06-07-2014, 11:40 PM
Then I guess it would be fair for me to say that based on your posts here, I know everything about you on a personal level.

I'm a realist, and when I see problems in front of me, I'm not going to lie about them and pretend they don't exist. I don't care how many times I'm called a liar on this forum, or told that I don't know what I'm talking about.

In regards to Obama's presidency, the health care issues are miniscule to me. It's his other lies and corruption that are far more concerning.

I hear way more positive things about the aca on this forum, than I do at work. It's interesting for sure.

Starla
06-07-2014, 11:42 PM
what I know is that you are unable to be swayed by arguments of "the greatest common good" and I know this from having several lengthy arguments with you over the efficacy of the ACA and other elements of the Obama presidency

Yeah, I have a clear understanding how the "greatest common good" works. I've seen it in action. I grew up with that mindset foisted on me.

redbreegull
06-07-2014, 11:42 PM
Then I guess it would be fair for me to say that based on your posts here, I know everything about you on a personal level.

I'm a realist, and when I see problems in front of me, I'm not going to lie about them and pretend they don't exist. I don't care how many times I'm called a liar on this forum, or told that I don't know what I'm talking about.

In regards to Obama's presidency, the health care issues are miniscule to me. It's his other lies and corruption that are far more concerning.

I hear way more positive things about the aca on this forum, than I do at work. It's interesting for sure.

it's interesting how your definition of "realist" is one who trusts only what is immediately empirically apparent and not information in aggregate or controlled study

redbreegull
06-07-2014, 11:44 PM
Yeah, I have a clear understanding how the "greatest common good" works. I've seen it in action. I grew up with that mindset foisted on me.

you're right of course, your personal experiences and what you have heard word-of-mouth are definitely the best ways to judge policies that are thousands of pages long and affect hundreds of millions of people

Starla
06-07-2014, 11:49 PM
it's interesting how your definition of "realist" is one who trusts only what is immediately empirically apparent and not information in aggregate or controlled study

So I'm not supposed to trust what I see taking place in front of me, every day of the week? Or the numbers and studies provided to me by my co workers, or the head of our department?

None of you want to even entertain the possibility that I know what I'm talking about... you just want to kick back and tell me I'm stupid, and don't know anything at all.

Do you function this way in the real world with people? If so, how does that work for you in your personal relationships?

Starla
06-07-2014, 11:51 PM
you're right of course, your personal experiences and what you have heard word-of-mouth are definitely the best ways to judge policies that are thousands of pages long and affect hundreds of millions of people

I'm in the best position to have an opinion on this. You don't like what I have to say, therefore, you choose to discredit me.

What if I came here saying that it's working and it's perfect.. and no one is having problems. Would you believe me then?

redbreegull
06-08-2014, 12:00 AM
no, it would be equally as ridiculous as your adherence to anecdotal evidence over vast statistical evidence compiled by huge numbers of bipartisan professionals. this has nothing to do with anyone assuming they know anything about you, just the kind of arguments you make here. It's like you want to debate, but then you're all like DONT JUDGE ME ON MY ARGUMENT

Starla
06-08-2014, 12:01 AM
This is my last post. I'll miss some of you but I'm just done. I have other things going on right now that are way more important. I don't need this anymore. I think the rude posts about my sister kind of did it for me as it is... and you know, that was the scariest, hardest two years of our lives. Then to have someone just shit on that with their bullshit was the tipping point.. we're not children here.... we're adults, and we can treat one another with some respect. If anyone wants to keep in touch, just pm and we can exchange emails from there.

redbreegull
06-08-2014, 12:02 AM
you also basically conceded my point that you aren't rhetorically interested in arguments of utility, so maybe just calm down

Future Boy
06-08-2014, 01:32 AM
way to go rbg

Trotskilicious
06-08-2014, 01:58 AM
you're a piece of work

Future Boy
06-08-2014, 02:10 AM
what did i do to you now?

Future Boy
06-08-2014, 02:12 AM
when you're late for work is that my fault too

Trotskilicious
06-08-2014, 03:46 AM
absolutely, i sit at the wheel and curse your user name

although that was a plural you

reprise85
06-08-2014, 06:36 AM
This is my last post. I'll miss some of you but I'm just done. I have other things going on right now that are way more important. I don't need this anymore. I think the rude posts about my sister kind of did it for me as it is... and you know, that was the scariest, hardest two years of our lives. Then to have someone just shit on that with their bullshit was the tipping point.. we're not children here.... we're adults, and we can treat one another with some respect. If anyone wants to keep in touch, just pm and we can exchange emails from there.

Be well, Starla.

pavementtune
06-08-2014, 11:11 AM
because father's beard looks like taliban


What am I missing here, I don't get it.
Why are people sending death threats to his father?

Future Boy
06-08-2014, 11:16 AM
its just what we do, trots sent me 2 last night

scottytheoneand
06-08-2014, 12:04 PM
What am I missing here, I don't get it.
Why are people sending death threats to his father?

because they're horrible and because Obama

Trotskilicious
06-08-2014, 12:28 PM
futureboy i didn't send you any fucking death threats, what is your psychological issue

scottytheoneand
06-08-2014, 03:51 PM
A decade of CNN and Fox is his issue.

killtrocity
06-08-2014, 08:39 PM
ok just finished the second page and it seems like this isn't going anywhere. Just gonna assume the next 6 pages are FB repeatedly saying "Benghazi"

killtrocity
06-08-2014, 08:41 PM
like if you're gonna rip Obummer a new one, talk about the real issues. Who the fuck cares about a fucking website

Trotskilicious
06-08-2014, 10:01 PM
no actually the rest of the thread was starla quitting

scottytheoneand
06-08-2014, 11:24 PM
At this point if you're still here nobody believes any threats of quitting

Trotskilicious
06-09-2014, 12:17 AM
i believe it

FutureBoy
06-09-2014, 01:18 PM
futureboy i didn't send you any fucking death threats, what is your psychological issue

trots did not actually send death threats

not that night at least, he's got me there

FutureBoy
06-09-2014, 01:24 PM
like if you're gonna rip Obummer a new one, talk about the real issues. Who the fuck cares about a fucking website

I wa snt even really ripping the website even, but people stopped replying to what I actually said a long time ago, so. trots felt his livelihood being attacked and went all mamma bear. it's cool, were still friends.

Trotskilicious
06-11-2014, 12:54 AM
i hope you drop dead

Eulogy
06-13-2014, 06:59 PM
future boy always references these threads where he has explained himself before

i don't believe they actually exist.

Eulogy
06-13-2014, 07:05 PM
wait how is starla involved in "health care." it's like vague enough to not give any credence to it. i feel bad she left though. i would like to know, and i think she is probably a good person. so. come back starla. i don't think trots meant any animosity.

Order 66
06-13-2014, 07:22 PM
they all come back in the end. except mirrar

Bread Regal
06-13-2014, 11:03 PM
Scotty, as it is, I don't give a fuck what you have to say after your rude posts about my sister in the other thread.

I'm not sure why I bother coming to netphoria anymore. Maybe it is time to just fucking leave.... I cannot share anything without being attacked here. I'm just not into that anymore. Maybe it's cause I don't actively seek to attack others... I don't fit in.
scotty was also an idiot and though that naturopathy = homeopathy.

really, a dumbass like him is not worth having as an ally.

Bread Regal
06-13-2014, 11:08 PM
so how about that bowe bergdahl

Order 66
06-14-2014, 12:44 AM
yeah on topic.. not really sure what the alternative is. let him rot in afghanistan? 5 bearded assholes were released from gitmo oh no

Bread Regal
06-14-2014, 01:43 AM
it's a lot of pearl clutching over the wrong thing. what most pundits seem to be concerned about is that he let go of a bunch of high value detainees for a guy who may well have deserted his post and that the prisoner exchange was a net loss for US interests.

but obama isn't dumb. either he knew that those detainees weren't valuable, or that bergdahl, for whatever reason, is exceptionally valuable. much criticism has been leveled at the white house because it's thought to be a poor decision, although i haven't heard much questioning as to why he thought it was a good decision.

jczeroman
06-14-2014, 07:14 AM
...Sorry guys... stuck in traffic.... what'd I miss?

Order 66
06-14-2014, 11:23 AM
it's a lot of pearl clutching over the wrong thing. what most pundits seem to be concerned about is that he let go of a bunch of high value detainees for a guy who may well have deserted his post and that the prisoner exchange was a net loss for US interests.

but obama isn't dumb. either he knew that those detainees weren't valuable, or that bergdahl, for whatever reason, is exceptionally valuable. much criticism has been leveled at the white house because it's thought to be a poor decision, although i haven't heard much questioning as to why he thought it was a good decision.

i don't think he was valuable he was just a malnurished POW and somebodys son so they did what they could do to bring him home. hes a dipshit but it was the right thing to do

null123
06-14-2014, 05:22 PM
i didn't read this thread but i agree with future boy

Future Boy
06-14-2014, 08:19 PM
always a winning move

Future Boy
06-14-2014, 08:20 PM
future boy always references these threads where he has explained himself before

i don't believe they actually exist.

it was probably just over your head

null123
06-14-2014, 08:36 PM
obama is everyone in this thread's deadbeat dad

Eulogy
06-15-2014, 09:12 AM
it was probably just over your head

Lol right. You're impossible. You can't answer any questions because you don't have any answers.

hnibos
06-15-2014, 10:46 AM
Yeah that was a really lame thing to say.

Future Boy
06-15-2014, 03:09 PM
they actually have been over his head a couple of times though

like, hes called me crazy a few times because of it

Future Boy
06-15-2014, 03:15 PM
i mean its eulogy so yeah name calling goes with the territory, true, but his standard is idiot not crazy

Eulogy
06-16-2014, 06:36 AM
Still waiting on any answers to any questions.

You're the worst kind of "liberal."

Trotskilicious
06-16-2014, 01:03 PM
if fb explained anything it was like 5 to 7 years ago at this point