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Elphenor
05-29-2014, 10:44 PM
What to do for pleasure?

(Continuing my name checking of cool post-punk bands.)

Trotskilicious
05-29-2014, 10:59 PM
yeah stop it or put it in one thread you fuckin kid

Elphenor
05-29-2014, 11:07 PM
Well it's like too late to create a universal post-punk thread.
This is the last one though. I promise.

Seriously Gang of Four deserves a thread on every forum in the universe.
Entertainment is absolutely divine.

Elphenor
05-29-2014, 11:10 PM
"Damaged Goods" is the greatest song ever written.

"Your kiss so sweet
Your sweat so sour
Sometimes Im thinking that I love you
But I know it's only lust"

I'm Hardcore
05-30-2014, 12:35 AM
pere ubu
josef k
wire
bauhaus
the fall
fad gadget
the durutti column
pil
tuxedomoon
basically anything released in NZ between 1981-1984


do you see what i am getting at here

Elphenor
05-30-2014, 12:50 AM
I don't really like Wire actually.

Elphenor
05-30-2014, 12:53 AM
Josef k

Fuck yeah man

Trotskilicious
05-30-2014, 01:31 AM
i don't like gang of four it's like shitty wire

Elphenor
05-30-2014, 01:41 AM
Lol
Ive tried to like Wire. But idk it doesnt click with me

Trotskilicious
05-30-2014, 02:10 AM
gang of four sounds like a bunch of guys who heard wire early on, copied one of their sngs and just ran with it

Elphenor
05-30-2014, 03:19 AM
Franz Ferdinand are my favorite modern band.

Elphenor
05-30-2014, 03:50 AM
I always say I don't like popular modern music that much but that's not really true I guess.
I actually really like Muse and saw them live. And I dig Arctic Monkeys and saw them with QOTSA who are decent.
And Im a huge Franz Ferdinand fan.

Bascically I just don't like music with black people and white guys wearing backwards hats because Im racist or something.

pavementtune
05-30-2014, 08:36 AM
Bascically I just don't like music with black people and white guys wearing backwards hats because Im racist or something.

wait - music with either or, or both at once? (that sentence doesn't make sense, does it.)

your loss, really.

The exploding boy
05-30-2014, 09:04 AM
I really don't think white people are supposed to enjoy rap and hippity hop.

No but more seriously i just don't think you know, topic wise its mean to talk much about my reality and i don't need as a product of white middle class to co-opt it. Still today 99% of the time when i see a white guy rap it's fucking pitiful and they should be embarrassed. I know they make me embarrassed and i kinda want to apologize on their behalf (fucking macklemore). As for the more intelligent brand of rap/hip hop (Tribe, PE, the roots, nas etc). I mainly take issue with it musically because i find it pretty uninteresting. Its not even that old blahblahblah rap/hiphop is not music blahblah bullshit. It's a valid genre of course, it just does jackshit for me. I don't think it's meant to either.

And i tried to like GOF and Wire and couldn't. I say i like post punk but i actually don't like the majority of bands in the genre. Most are not melodic or at least catchy enough for me. I like my post punk poppier. Most mid 2000s post punk revival bands that claimed influences from GOF were better than GOF.

pavementtune
05-30-2014, 09:11 AM
i actually don't like the majority of bands in any genre fixed.

The exploding boy
05-30-2014, 09:30 AM
i actually don't like the majority of bands in any genre
Fixed
i actually don't like anything




Fixed your fixing.

Trotskilicious
05-30-2014, 11:28 AM
Bascically I just don't like music with black people because Im racist.

yep

Trotskilicious
05-30-2014, 11:29 AM
I really don't think white people are supposed to enjoy rap and hippity hop.


if you're going to go that far you best stop listening to rock music then you dickhead

Trotskilicious
05-30-2014, 11:30 AM
"the more intelligent brand"

Elphenor
05-30-2014, 01:01 PM
EB doesn't like punk Im guessing.

Bands like Gang of Four and The Fall have more attitude and less melody than say The Cure.

Elphenor
05-30-2014, 01:12 PM
wait - music with either or, or both at once? (that sentence doesn't make sense, does it.)

your loss, really.

Just black vocalists that sound like they're from the streets or whatever and then white guys that seem to be doing an imitation of black guy from the street.
Im assuming I must be deep down racist because as soon as my brain hears the vocals it's like "Oh fuck no".

And when I really think about it, a band like The Fall is like the same thing just with a British white guy and I love the shit out of it. You have a thug poet from a poor upbringing calling out the establishment over simple but effective beat based music.

Elphenor
05-30-2014, 01:21 PM
Like I was listening to Franz Ferdinand's "Evil Eye" earlier and my friend walks in is like: "Is this Eminem?"

But I would never listen to Eminem lol

Shallowed
05-30-2014, 01:25 PM
Do you like Bad Brains Elphy?

pavementtune
05-30-2014, 01:49 PM
Just black vocalists that sound like they're from the streets

Im assuming I must be deep down racist because as soon as my brain hears the vocals it's like "Oh fuck no".

I'm assuming you are right in assuming you are racist. not deep down, though.

the ultimate punishment for you. black. vocalist. doesn't matter that the lyrics make sense. he's black. OH FUCK NO

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Trotskilicious
05-30-2014, 02:32 PM
ghostface is a genius once you understand his language, that's all i gots to say

Trotskilicious
05-30-2014, 02:33 PM
WU TANG FOR EVER

pavementtune
05-30-2014, 03:37 PM
now you got your very own FUCK NO thread, elph.


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but since you want white only and are at least 50 imaginery years old - Pixies' live-stream starts in about 80 minutes.

slunken
05-30-2014, 04:37 PM
Post punk but more melodic and poppier?

Walk away son.

Catherine Wheel
05-30-2014, 04:38 PM
MF Doom > Ghostface > Black Thought > Q-Tip

I'm Hardcore
05-30-2014, 05:56 PM
the male vixnix strikes again

Elphenor
05-30-2014, 06:54 PM
Pavement:

My black friends say the same thing about my music. And it has to do with the fact that our culture and the way we use language is different We all give the same speech to eachother:

"It's not that I don't respect the art, it's that I can't really feel it."

Elphenor
05-30-2014, 07:00 PM
Although I do dig the more extreme joke lines in rap because it freaks people out. Like my younger brother was blasting this song about burning schools. And my parents are all "Ahhhh BLACK PEOPLE ARE A BAD INFLUENCE"

And my bro is just laughing is ass of about it because it's not meant to be serious. It reminds me of like Dead Kennedy's "I kill Children"

pavementtune
05-30-2014, 07:06 PM
How did I see it coming that a reply would start with "my black friends"

But hey, if you want to go ahead and define YOUR CULTURE as one that speaks only in your language, why not. Your loss.

The exploding boy
05-30-2014, 07:15 PM
EB doesn't like punk Im guessing.

Bands like Gang of Four and The Fall have more attitude and less melody than say The Cure.


We must not have the same definition of melody at all. and yeah they have attitude, I never said Cure ahd any. I don't care for attitude that much in music though. It depends really.

And I like some punk. Depends who. I love The Clash. I like The Ramones, Pistols, Buzzcocks, etc. You're probably thinking i'm naming the obvious ones which yeah of course but there's a reason they're obvious, because they essentially wrote pop songs. The Skids too though they're probably closer to post punk. They're kinda straddling the line.


"the more intelligent brand"

what? Prove to me that 90% of rap/hip-hop isn't completely moronic. You can't. Not unless your standards for stupidity are much lower than mine and I doubt it. And the first line was kind of a joke. I mean about the white people not meant to enjoy rap thing.

I'm assuming you are right in assuming you are racist. not deep down, though.

the ultimate punishment for you. black. vocalist. doesn't matter that the lyrics make sense. he's black. OH FUCK NO

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Solaar was probaly my introduction to more literate rap. I mean I never bought his records but you heard his songs a lot here in the early to mid 90's. I think I might know the entirety of Nouveau Western just from hearing it a lot. It's twice I see you mention French artists, I'm gonna go and assume you speak (some) French too?

The exploding boy
05-30-2014, 07:23 PM
Post punk but more melodic and poppier?

Walk away son.

Well there is some. Joy Division and early The Cure are post punk. Early Psychedelic furs. Even early U2 gets categorized as post punk and I think it fits. Or at least it's the only style you can sorta fit them in. With post punk there seems to be the, shall we say, artier more edgy kind and the kind that leans more... well, I don't know how to say, but that is catchier. A bit like punk before, post punk isn't that clearly defined. It covers a lot. I think.

I'm Hardcore
05-30-2014, 07:25 PM
white is right, guys. it's just moronic to think otherwise

pavementtune
05-30-2014, 08:49 PM
I'm gonna go and assume you speak (some) French too?

correct

Can you name a music genre where you don't think that the most played artists have 90% moronic lyrics? (Opera doesn't count.)


These lyrics are far from stupid, no matter if you dislike rap in general or not.
And turn up the volume @3:30, this track needs MAXIMUM force.

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And dammit, if you judge Ghostface as writing about moronic topics, the human species must be far beneath you.

pavementtune
05-30-2014, 09:18 PM
And now in English, more music with black people for elph.
I guess IT DOESN'T MOVE YOU and you can't feel it because not your language and culture?

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slunken
05-30-2014, 10:53 PM
Well there is some. Joy Division and early The Cure are post punk. Early Psychedelic furs. Even early U2 gets categorized as post punk and I think it fits. Or at least it's the only style you can sorta fit them in. With post punk there seems to be the, shall we say, artier more edgy kind and the kind that leans more... well, I don't know how to say, but that is catchier. A bit like punk before, post punk isn't that clearly defined. It covers a lot. I think.

I would just listen to The Jam and other power pop and call it a day.

Elphenor
05-30-2014, 11:47 PM
How did I see it coming that a reply would start with "my black friends"

But hey, if you want to go ahead and define YOUR CULTURE as one that speaks only in your language, why not. Your loss.

Why is it so crazy to you that rap music might not appeal to a white suburban
male?
I'm not dissing the genre. There are just as many dull, brainless rock bands as there are bad rappers.
But I'm not going to lie and say I dig something that I just don't.

Elphenor
05-30-2014, 11:49 PM
And as everyone knows Im a young dude. Everyone I knew was into Hip-Hop and Rap.
And I was listening to Smashing Pumpkins by myself lol

Trotskilicious
05-31-2014, 12:19 AM
never go full retard

Elphenor
05-31-2014, 12:33 AM
He doesn't like something I like, he must be retarted.

Trotskilicious
05-31-2014, 12:44 AM
it's pretty well beyond that

Trotskilicious
05-31-2014, 12:44 AM
if you just said i dunno i don't like rap whatever that'd be one thing

Trotskilicious
05-31-2014, 12:45 AM
you can't walk back "basically i don't like black people playing music"

pavementtune
05-31-2014, 01:17 AM
Elph, do yourself a favor and listen to the Tricky track I posted. I've heard a bunch of explanations why people don't like hiphop and triphop. But never "I hear a black voice and think oh fuck no! I can't feel that, how could I as a white male from a suburb. That's not my language. That's not my culture."

I'd be surprised if you'd stick to this reasoning after you heard it. Or maybe you do, but then your reason for not liking rap is not that you just don't dig the musical genre.
(Also you'll notice that Tricky performs with black and white musicians. How could that work so well if they wouldn't be able to feel the sound?)


Good morning and good night, one more to go full circle in full retard:

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null123
05-31-2014, 01:30 AM
music isn't universal
i listen to rap but i dunno i could see the cultural divide potentially being what stops non-black people from being into it
doesn't usually work out that way though considering most hip hop consumers are white and it's the dominant form of music in america at this point

Trotskilicious
05-31-2014, 01:35 AM
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Elphenor
05-31-2014, 02:11 AM
I like Jimi Hendrix and Bob Marley and Bad Brains.
*shrugs*

Elphenor
05-31-2014, 02:12 AM
It's more like the "from the street" vocals and such that I can't dig. It's even worse from white guys actually.

Shallowed
05-31-2014, 02:24 AM
Almost everyone likes Bob Marley and Jimi Hendrix. Bad Brains play white music and they're met with the "wow you guys are pretty good for black dudes" thing.

Elphenor
05-31-2014, 02:50 AM
I know right? That was the point.

But I suppose when you have to be like "I swear Im not racist guys!" you should probably stop

Elphenor
05-31-2014, 02:54 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtKrpu-z7ns&feature=youtube_gdata_playernyway, My favorite GoF song:

Our bodies,
Make us worry

I'm Hardcore
05-31-2014, 07:34 AM
But I'm not going to lie and say I dig something that I just don't.

nobody is asking you to. nobody at all

Elphenor
05-31-2014, 01:52 PM
Even worse in terms of the "Aww fuck no" reaction is country music or anyobe with a southern accent.
Nails on a chalkboard

slunken
05-31-2014, 11:37 PM
fuck you die

Elphenor
06-01-2014, 01:01 AM
I tried to listen to one of Pavementtune's linked songs but it's in French.

I don't speak french so all I'm hearing is a standard beat lol.
How was this supposed to make me appreciate?

The thing about beat based music and pop music is that it's all about the lyrics which I totally dig.
But to pull that off I feel like you gotta be really poetic or you've gotta be saying something really interesting. While like Sabbath can have stupid lyrics and who cares?

But I realize it's just a case of me not "getting it" when it comes to Rap. The idea of these modern outlaw poets is badass to me though.

The exploding boy
06-01-2014, 01:08 AM
correct

Can you name a music genre where you don't think that the most played artists have 90% moronic lyrics? (Opera doesn't count.)

.



See I didn't come back to this topic until now cause I figured in the meantime someone would probably have said that and then I'd have nothing to counter this with.

Well what the fuck, 90% of what I say is moronic obviously.

Elphenor
06-01-2014, 02:00 AM
Let's just listen to The Cure and cry EB.

Actually, you need to listen to more GoF.

Trotskilicious
06-01-2014, 02:36 AM
so if you were going to argue against cultural appropriation, elp's complete lack of understanding for rap music should stay that way

Elphenor
06-01-2014, 03:04 AM
Fad Gadget is another post-punk thing Im super obsessed with.

I think it was on Hardcore's list.

pavementtune
06-01-2014, 09:21 AM
I tried to listen to one of Pavementtune's linked songs but it's in French.

I don't speak french so all I'm hearing is a standard beat lol.
How was this supposed to make me appreciate?

The thing about beat based music and pop music is that it's all about the lyrics which I totally dig.
But to pull that off I feel like you gotta be really poetic or you've gotta be saying something really interesting. While like Sabbath can have stupid lyrics and who cares?

But I realize it's just a case of me not "getting it" when it comes to Rap. The idea of these modern outlaw poets is badass to me though.


Actually, if you listen to Solaar Pleure Symphonique, elph, you'll get an idea of instrumentation to rap that is interesting without understanding a single word, and you'll hear that not every rap song sounds like "street gutter with standard beat". There is more to it. But that track was for EB, obviously.
Maybe you have problems with your attention when reading posts, let's try this:


And now in English, more music with black people for elph.
I guess IT DOESN'T MOVE YOU and you can't feel it because not your language and culture?

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Elph, do yourself a favor and listen to the Tricky track I posted. I've heard a bunch of explanations why people don't like hiphop and triphop. But never "I hear a black voice and think oh fuck no! I can't feel that, how could I as a white male from a suburb. That's not my language. That's not my culture."

I'd be surprised if you'd stick to this reasoning after you heard it. Or maybe you do, but then your reason for not liking rap is not that you just don't dig the musical genre.
(Also you'll notice that Tricky performs with black and white musicians. How could that work so well if they wouldn't be able to feel the sound?)

Elphenor
06-01-2014, 12:39 PM
Oh gotcha. Should have read that post.

slunken
06-01-2014, 08:47 PM
Pink Floyd fan: I don't like rap. It's like... misogynistic, immature and artistically not appealing. Consider Eminem... Yeah a few alright songs but so straightforward and personal lyrics that it is not even art. Do you know Gilmour and Syd rejected many of Roger Waters' ideas because they were too personal to be considered art?

Hihop head: Let me put this on.

Pink Floyd fan: Okay... Hmm... Not a self-tuned beat? Nice riff there. Vocal doesn't sound boring... Whoa!!! What a metaphor! Wait, what did he say? I'm confused...

Hiphop head: Yeah. I call this post-rap.

Trotskilicious
06-01-2014, 09:29 PM
WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT MAN

slunken
06-01-2014, 09:45 PM
i wasn't sure if this thread was still about post punk or if it was about hip hip so i combined the two

slunken
06-01-2014, 09:46 PM
"post rap"

Trotskilicious
06-01-2014, 11:29 PM
WHICH IS YEEZUS

Elphenor
06-01-2014, 11:33 PM
Tyler the Creator

Elphenor
06-01-2014, 11:44 PM
I think mostly why Hip-Hop bums me out is that no one in my life seems to know anything else. And it's played everywhere. In the 80's you could be into rap or you could be into Rock or you could be into post-punk and there were awesome mainstream groups for you and people to associate with.

Now there's just Hip-Hop and if you like anything else you mine as well be a metalhead because that's how people will view you.

I mean 95% of teenagers I met in high school thought Pink Floyd was like some super out there obscure shit.

The exploding boy
06-02-2014, 12:16 AM
When I was in high school in the early 90's half the people had a Pink Floyd shirt. but then again it was like 70's rock revival era. I had one too even. For a while there i thought I liked 70's rock. Pink Floyd is the only band that ever did something close to prog and still was any good (at least half the time). That's my opinion and i'll stick to it. Fucking prog bullshit. I don't know why Lydon bothered making his own I hate Pink Floyd shirt, they were the lesser offenders.

It's true though that hip hop has taken over other genres it seems. Even pop now has often a very strong hip hop slant. Actually most of the shit on radio making money is some beat put on minimal instrumentation and some vocal melody. People just want beats now. We might as well go back to the caveman days. Just hitting drums. Those stupid greeks wasted their time working out scales.

Elphenor
06-02-2014, 01:21 AM
Mainstream pop is the cheapest easiest to produce money making music Corporate America can endorse
I'm assuming it has always been that way.

Pink Floyd is brillant regardless of genre. How anyone can not love "The Wall" is beyond me.

Elphenor
06-02-2014, 01:25 AM
Eminem sucks. Theres seriously nothing more lame than white rappers

Shallowed
06-02-2014, 01:57 AM
Even worse in terms of the "Aww fuck no" reaction is country music or anyobe with a southern accent.
Nails on a chalkboard

In the 80's you could be into rap or you could be into Rock or you could be into post-punk and there were awesome mainstream groups for you and people to associate with.

Now there's just Hip-Hop and if you like anything else you mine as well be a metalhead because that's how people will view you.

I mean 95% of teenagers I met in high school thought Pink Floyd was like some super out there obscure shit.

How anyone can not love "The Wall" is beyond me.

How long before we'll see Elphenor say "I was born in the wrong generation"?

Elphenor
06-02-2014, 03:54 AM
Well it does truly baffle me that there was once a time where young people listened to The Fall.

Cool As Ice Cream
06-02-2014, 04:26 AM
Eminem sucks. Theres seriously nothing more lame than white rappers

dunno, man. have you heard punk music?

Cool As Ice Cream
06-02-2014, 04:28 AM
also, with your stupid "culture" theories, maybe you should stay away from the british music. it's not your culture. maybe you're not aware of this, but you're from san diego.

Elphenor
06-02-2014, 04:40 AM
Yeah. That is a solid point.

Elphenor
06-02-2014, 04:42 AM
Punk is what white people should do.

Elphenor
06-02-2014, 04:45 AM
I feel like I can't argue the British thing without sounding horrendously racist

BUT BRITISH PEOPLE ARE WHITE LIKE ME

Cool As Ice Cream
06-02-2014, 05:22 AM
it's not your culture.

and punk is shit. "it just doesn't click with me."

Elphenor
06-02-2014, 05:31 AM
Some of it is shit, for sure.

But I live and die by DK

Elphenor
06-02-2014, 05:35 AM
We're not going to the party
We're not going to the game
We're not going to the Disco
Not gonna cruise that way

We're stealing people's mail!
Stealing People's mail!
On a Friday Night

The exploding boy
06-02-2014, 02:03 PM
Well it does truly baffle me that there was once a time where young people listened to The Fall.

If you expect that in 1980 you'd find a lot of Fall fans among HS kids, you'd be sorely disappointed. not that i was around then, but I think I can easily guess that.

Elphenor
06-02-2014, 06:58 PM
Mark E. Smith was an international Pop Star in the 80's. SOMEBODY was listening to The Fall.

slunken
06-02-2014, 07:07 PM
Pffft

Elphenor
06-02-2014, 07:33 PM
I mean, yeah, most people in the 80's probably never heard of The Fall and listened to MJ and stuff, but The Fall were a popular band and sold out places even in The States.

Sonic Johnny
06-02-2014, 09:44 PM
Even worse in terms of the "Aww fuck no" reaction is country music or anyobe with a southern accent.
Nails on a chalkboard

How old are you again??

Elphenor
06-02-2014, 11:46 PM
Eleventy years young

Sonic Johnny
06-03-2014, 12:13 AM
So twelve?

Trotskilicious
06-03-2014, 12:34 AM
also, with your stupid "culture" theories, maybe you should stay away from the british music. it's not your culture. maybe you're not aware of this, but you're from san diego.

he's from westlake so basically he should be listening to coldplay

I'm Hardcore
06-03-2014, 01:06 AM
mark e. smith wrote songs about how England sucked/sucks. how is that relevant to your culture?

Trotskilicious
06-03-2014, 01:16 AM
because he's white, duh

Elphenor
06-03-2014, 01:22 AM
Coldplay is awful

pavementtune
06-03-2014, 10:52 AM
are you into The Undertones, elph?



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Elphenor
06-03-2014, 02:36 PM
Yes.

"Teenage Kicks" is one of the greatest pop songs ever

Elphenor
06-03-2014, 02:38 PM
Gonna call her on the telephone
Have her over cuz Im all alone

pavementtune
06-03-2014, 04:16 PM
have you seen the doc on The Undertones with John Peel?

www.imdb.com/title/tt0437506/

Elphenor
06-03-2014, 04:27 PM
Is it good?

The Fall have an amazing John Peel doc

pavementtune
06-03-2014, 04:35 PM
quite good. I liked The Undertones and loved John Peel, so of course I enjoyed it.

Elphenor
06-03-2014, 05:09 PM
Oh, I haven't mentioned Joy Division yet.

Is there anyone who doesn't love the fuck out of JD?

noyen
06-03-2014, 05:56 PM
Oh, I haven't mentioned Joy Division yet.

Is there anyone who doesn't love the fuck out of JD?

never heard of them

I'm Hardcore
06-03-2014, 10:05 PM
everything is the greatest something ever

Elphenor
06-03-2014, 11:09 PM
I have a hard time not using that greatest ever phase.

Just can't contain my excitement

I'm Hardcore
06-04-2014, 01:17 AM
imagine being able to contain your excitement

I'm Hardcore
06-04-2014, 01:18 AM
imagine if mark e. smith was a black rapper

The exploding boy
06-04-2014, 01:37 AM
it's easy if you try.

Elphenor
06-04-2014, 03:21 AM
A black british rapper?

Do those exist? I might listen to that.

Elphenor
06-04-2014, 03:23 AM
"17 Seconds" is The Cure's best album.

Elphenor
06-04-2014, 03:29 AM
It's not a case of doing what's right
It's just the way I feel that matters
Tell me Im wrong
I don't really care

Cool As Ice Cream
06-04-2014, 04:10 AM
A black british rapper?

Do those exist?

what the

pavementtune
06-04-2014, 09:01 AM
Actually he is spot-on.

A black british rapper?

Do those exist?

No.
All the trippityhoppity rappers are just signed to UK labels for tax reasons, really they are all from Mississippi. Or from Alabama, like Tricky.
UK music is only white Weltschmerz.

Maybe you can go on a semester abroad when you are in college. And then come back and write a hit album about UKIP and British culture.

Trotskilicious
06-04-2014, 11:42 AM
yeah there are no blacks in england haha lol i mean come on that would be ridiculous

Cool As Ice Cream
06-04-2014, 12:11 PM
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pavementtune
06-04-2014, 05:08 PM
Monie Love forever

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and Roots Manuva.


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Elphenor
06-05-2014, 01:22 AM
Also:

MOTHERFUCKING TALKING HEADSSSS

Elphenor
06-05-2014, 01:36 AM
Is there any band more early 20's college male than Talking Heads?

There's a "Greatest Hits" copy in every dorm room Ive ever been in

The exploding boy
06-05-2014, 01:48 PM
I associate Talking Heads with a horrible relationship with a former member of this forum. They have as such been ruined forever.


Nah not really...they're alright but never quite got why some people got so obsessive about them.

I have to say i am surprised that today's college kids would have talking heads in their collection. Or that they would even own records. I haven't bought any since 2001. Full digital. Turns out i dint give a shit for the material thing. It's just an annoyance.

Elphenor
06-05-2014, 03:30 PM
You gotta listen to the "The name of this band is Talking Heads" live CD.

It's what got me religiously into the group.

Elphenor
06-05-2014, 03:41 PM
Dude sounds like the perfect example of an anxiety ridden bookish early 20 year old.
The delivery and lyrics are so crazily relatable. You can practically feel him shaking with every note.

But then the music is groovy arty post-punk so it has this feeling of "cool".

And "This must be the place" is crazy beautiful.

Trotskilicious
06-05-2014, 04:36 PM
Is there any band more early 20's college male than Talking Heads?

what

you haven't even been to college

Elphenor
06-05-2014, 04:56 PM
Next week man.

Did you go to college Trots?

The exploding boy
06-05-2014, 09:02 PM
Pretty sure he did Political Science. Another thing I creepily remember. Or misremember maybe.


Anyway, yeah you might have also heard of that other live record they made...what was it called again...Oh yeah, Stop Making Sense...

Elphenor
06-05-2014, 10:33 PM
Yeah, it's not as good

Trotskilicious
06-06-2014, 12:00 AM
ultimate college boy/liberal arts major band is the decemberists

Trotskilicious
06-06-2014, 12:01 AM
and yes i graduated, dickhead. I'll be fucking shocked if you do.

Elphenor
06-06-2014, 12:15 AM
Well fuck you too, bro

Trotskilicious
06-06-2014, 12:20 AM
"poly-sci"

i mean seriously what exactly is political about you

Elphenor
06-06-2014, 12:22 AM
Haha.
I wouldn't bother with politics on this forum but besides music it's my biggest passion.

Elphenor
06-06-2014, 12:22 AM
Decemberists are okay.

I'm Hardcore
06-06-2014, 12:25 AM
Haha.
I wouldn't bother with politics on this forum

because you're that much smarter than everyone?

Elphenor
06-06-2014, 12:27 AM
No practically the opposite reason, it's like redundant given how liberal I am.

I'd just be preaching to the choir. The politics section here is just a bunch of agreement.

Elphenor
06-06-2014, 12:31 AM
Like Im not going to launch into some political rant about how everything sucks because the response would just be "Well yeah duh"

Trotskilicious
06-06-2014, 12:41 AM
have you read the politics board

Elphenor
06-06-2014, 12:49 AM
I miss the O-board politics section. There was this uber libertarian that was fun to debate and then a couple of bigoted morons to make fun and be entertained by, and then just different shades of liberal.

The "Republicans are the same as Democrats" guy. The super moderate liberal who still firmly believes in Capitalism, the psuedo-science spiritual liberal, the "it doesn't matter because corporations own everything and everyone" guy.
Etc.

Cool As Ice Cream
06-06-2014, 02:42 AM
for fuck's sake elphy go to school before you say anything else

Elphenor
06-06-2014, 02:51 AM
I won't be on here much to say anything once I start school sadly

Elphenor
06-07-2014, 05:08 AM
Does anyone here like The Soft Boys?

Cool As Ice Cream
06-07-2014, 07:13 AM
how soft?

Trotskilicious
06-07-2014, 03:49 PM
the "it doesn't matter because corporations own everything and everyone" guy.
Etc.

yeah wow, what a dumb guy he must have been

:nooooo:

mxzombie
06-08-2014, 07:20 PM
this thread is just asinine all around. let's leave elphenor to shout out names of bands his peers don't listen to into a void, while reminiscing about a time he never experienced

Elphenor
06-08-2014, 07:33 PM
What?

There's no reminiscing. I just like Gang of Four. I dont give a fuck what "my peers" listen too

Elphenor
06-08-2014, 07:35 PM
I mean yeah, if you dont wany to talk about post-punk then this thread isn't for you

mxzombie
06-08-2014, 09:30 PM
In the 80's you could be into rap or you could be into Rock or you could be into post-punk and there were awesome mainstream groups for you and people to associate with.

Now there's just Hip-Hop and if you like anything else you mine as well be a metalhead because that's how people will view you.

.

Elphenor
06-09-2014, 12:05 AM
You took that kind of out of context

Cool As Ice Cream
06-09-2014, 05:17 AM
I dont give a fuck what "my peers" listen too

IF YOU CAN SPELL THIS THREAD ISN'T FOR YOU

Trotskilicious
06-09-2014, 09:26 AM
You took that kind of out of context

nah you do this all the time, you speak with authority about things you couldn't <i>possibly</i> know

pavementtune
06-09-2014, 09:28 AM
speaking of black rappers from the UK (the real topic of this thread) - trots, what do you think of Idris Elba's album?

http://www.jamati.com/online/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/EP-Artwork-Frontside-300x300.jpg

Trotskilicious
06-09-2014, 09:42 AM
i think he's an actor

pavementtune
06-09-2014, 09:51 AM
ha, that sums it up nicely.
I do love his voice, but... well.

Elphenor
11-09-2014, 12:23 PM
Listening to The Libertines and they are awesomeeee

davin
11-11-2014, 07:41 AM
What to do for pleasure?

(Continuing my name checking of cool post-punk bands.)

in one word: leisure.

i take pleasure, in other people's leisure.

Elphenor
02-09-2015, 05:21 PM
More post-punk:

As I look over this beautiful lair
I can't help but realize I am alone
...

Maybe partying will help

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Elphenor
02-09-2015, 05:23 PM
When I look at the streets
and the streets look at me

THE VOID

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Sonic Johnny
02-09-2015, 05:24 PM
Hey everyone, lookit! Elph has found the Minutemen!

Elphenor
02-09-2015, 05:27 PM
I was gonna say, it seemed like the type of post-punk you'd be into

Elphenor
02-09-2015, 05:29 PM
I love how jittery and jerky they are just gives me the feeling of being thrown around the room

Sonic Johnny
02-09-2015, 05:31 PM
you like Walkmen Elph?

Elphenor
02-09-2015, 05:32 PM
It's a joke that I'm just now getting into The Slits but sometimes an essential slips past

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Elphenor
02-09-2015, 06:05 PM
you like Walkmen Elph?

I would say I don't dislike them

Elphenor
02-09-2015, 06:07 PM
They make me think of The Housemartins who I really like. I'd kill for a voice like this



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Sonic Johnny
02-09-2015, 06:39 PM
I would say I don't dislike them

you shittin me right man this is so up your alley

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Mals Marola
02-09-2015, 07:10 PM
minutemen are like political funk rock or something

great band

The exploding boy
02-09-2015, 07:46 PM
How do you feel about The Skids elph?

I consider most of Scared to dance classic. And while they were identified as punk to me they were always much closer to post punk even on their debut.

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And of course there's the saints are coming which even U2 and Green Day still couldnt completely ruin.

Elphenor
02-10-2015, 06:40 AM
:cool:

Liberation for women that's what I preach
Preacher man!

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Elphenor
02-18-2015, 07:28 PM
you shittin me right man this is so up your alley

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They sound like a lot of post-punk revival where it's cold and anxious ala Joy Division but it's lacking personality imo

Like what about them DEMANDS to be listened to you know?

Elphenor
02-18-2015, 07:31 PM
I want Bela Lugosi's is Dead to play every time I walk into a room

Trotskilicious
02-18-2015, 08:20 PM
Like what about them DEMANDS to be listened to you know?

absolutely nothing

Sonic Johnny
02-18-2015, 08:50 PM
I want Bela Lugosi's is Dead to play every time I walk into a room

This would save people the trouble of having to talk to you at least.

Trotskilicious
02-18-2015, 08:51 PM
THATS WHAT SHE SAID LOL I BANGED UR MOM

Elphenor
02-18-2015, 09:01 PM
This would save people the trouble of having to talk to you at least.

I already do the equivalent by dressing all gothy

Trotskilicious
02-18-2015, 09:07 PM
yeah that's what it is

Eulogy
02-18-2015, 11:30 PM
What the fuck is this thread

elphenor read this thread over and tell me how it makes you feel

Sonic Johnny
02-18-2015, 11:57 PM
Hey Elph check out this sweet new avatar I got for you:

http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/southpark/images/6/63/Tallgoth.png/revision/latest?cb=20111203162634

Sonic Johnny
02-18-2015, 11:57 PM
I mean you'll have to give it a little crop but what the hey

pavementtune
02-19-2015, 02:26 AM
the FUCK NO! A BLACK VOICE thread is alive again, nice.

elphy, you wanted to get into black voices from the UK, right?


GHOSTPOET

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YOUNG FATHERS (from Scotland)

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is that UK-ish enough for your liking

dreams of glass
02-19-2015, 02:45 AM
Hey Elph check out this sweet new avatar I got for you:

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Sonic Johnny
02-19-2015, 02:50 AM
That episode was all wasted potential bar for the smash cut to the kid in her room listening to Sunny Day Real Estate which floored me the first time I saw it.

Elphenor
02-19-2015, 03:09 AM
Hey Elph check out this sweet new avatar I got for you:

http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/southpark/images/6/63/Tallgoth.png/revision/latest?cb=20111203162634

I love this guy

Elphenor
02-19-2015, 03:23 AM
What the fuck is this thread

elphenor read this thread over and tell me how it makes you feel

My comments about rap are definitely dumb in retrospect

Elphenor
02-19-2015, 03:25 AM
And I can't believe this thread is 8 months old already

Eulogy
02-19-2015, 06:37 AM
I was thinking I can't believe it's only 8 months old