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Ram27
05-23-2014, 09:13 PM
mahgin

Ram27
05-23-2014, 09:14 PM
Listen to those riffs he's dropping in around 4 minutes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_Mr0ZOOe7k

Or his thing at the end of Disarm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iVrVgaHC-8



The Boy was pretty good, as was Go, as was Said Sadly.

Elphenor
05-23-2014, 09:21 PM
James was pretty epic. The most important Pumpkin besides Billy.

I dig that weird country thing he had in his playing and the awful noise solos i.e. Zero

Forgotten Child
05-23-2014, 09:32 PM
LOL, no.

fuzzyroes
05-23-2014, 10:06 PM
James was awesome. Somas my all time favorite Pumpkins song.

Elphenor
05-23-2014, 10:23 PM
No Jimmy: We still get adore and a badass tour

No James: ZG and just a lame looking band

Elphenor
05-23-2014, 11:44 PM
No JC no gish no SD no MCIS. Pumpkins wouldn't have had their great success without him. His drumming was essential to BC's music and one of the main reasons they were a successful band. Not James.
Although I like adore, it didnt sell well and it was more of a billy solo album. How many songs did James write?

How many songs did Jimmy write on any album?

There'd be no Gish, SD, or MCIS without James either. At least not in a enjoyable form.
There's something about the way Billy's technical playing blended with James untechnical mess and the tension between them that was the heart of The Pumpkins.
You can hear James all over Adore.

But I don't think any of The Pumpkins heavier tracks would work without Jimmy or would have even existed.

pale_princess
05-23-2014, 11:47 PM
hey guys whats going on in this thread

Trotskilicious
05-23-2014, 11:56 PM
How many songs did Jimmy write on any album?

you really are a fucking idiot

i mean at first i was like oh he's kinda okay he kinda knows what he's talking about

BUT YOU HAVE NO FUCKING CLUE DO YOU, YOU'RE JUST FAKING IT AREN'T YOU

juliana
05-24-2014, 12:11 AM
James: Dat hair!

Elphenor
05-24-2014, 01:17 AM
you really are a fucking idiot

i mean at first i was like oh he's kinda okay he kinda knows what he's talking about

BUT YOU HAVE NO FUCKING CLUE DO YOU, YOU'RE JUST FAKING IT AREN'T YOU

I'm not sure you understand what I meant by that.
Jimmy wrote as much as James did. They didn't write the songs on the same level that Billy did but none of it could have happened without them.

Except for Adore...

Cool As Ice Cream
05-24-2014, 04:03 AM
cut the crap, elphenor!

Butt Pope
05-24-2014, 05:31 AM
If James isn't your favorite sp member I'm telling Suey Park on you.

Shallowed
05-24-2014, 05:49 AM
Well, neither James nor Jimmy wrote anything on Adore...

pavementtune
05-24-2014, 09:59 AM
James is cool but he wasn't a guitar wizard. I do miss James though, his onstage jokes were the shit.


Yea, I still love listening to live recordings with James banter.
He was weird, oddly funny, he added something to my picture who or what SP were.

Never cared for this "oh they are so great technically (but have absolutely no chemistry as a band)" line-up approach.


For the adore tour they needed like a 6 piece orchestra to fill the hole JC left.

(4 piece orchestra) For Adore live that did more than just fill the hole, though. At least to my ears. Although I was a JC fan, I didn't miss him on that tour. What a sound.
GIVE ME MY ADORE REISSUE.


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Catherine Wheel
05-24-2014, 10:03 AM
You think if Ron Roesing was SP's drummer, they would've made any records? No. It's why the marked sucked and failed.

There are plenty of other reasons why the Marked sucked and failed. A lot of the songs weren't accessible. Billy's vocals were really awful and grating. The Marked was more of an art project than SP ever were if you really think about it.

panda show
05-24-2014, 01:11 PM
I'll always remember how awfully he played the solo at 5:24 on this one:
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But jokes aside, yeah, James was great.

Spira|_
05-24-2014, 07:21 PM
Imo JC contributed more musically to the band. His unusual/semi-caotic drums are an essence on SP sound.
Although James seems to had contributed/influenced SP sound more with his presence, image, opinions, criticism over Billy compositions etc, I think he might influenced more the direction of the band than JC. James seems to have a more 'psycadellic' side/feel than JC. And because of this I think he was pretty important in the band also.

Indeed Billy without both wouldnt be able to do what really defines SP: SD and MCIS.....

Spira|_
05-24-2014, 07:27 PM
Thinking twice now and looking back to 2007... I believe if Billy had James at his side insted of JC, Zeitgeist would had been a better album than what actually was...

Shallowed
05-24-2014, 08:20 PM
I'll always remember how awfully he played the solo at 5:24 on this one:
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But jokes aside, yeah, James was great.

19:26 and he didn't have 50 clowns jumping all around him either

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Ram27
05-24-2014, 08:37 PM
lol wow.

and JC is fucking killing it with those flams

dada dada da dada da da

Raskolnikov
05-25-2014, 01:24 AM
While clearly not James' strongest song, that "Summer" from the BSB '99 is way solid.

Anyways, yeah: on the JC vs JI debate... I think that initially in getting into the band, James was more of a "whoa, that dude is a character/is hilarious/is a great foil to BC" factor. Then as I got deeper into the music and grew up, I saw JC for what he is: a freight train.

Really, I'm not sure you could weigh the two against each other and have it make any sense. Both are just such unique, talented folks.

As we get further and further away from April 1999 (and as it gets more and more almost impossible at this point that we will ever see the original four on stage again) I just see more and more how rad the chemistry was of them. Regardless of how dysfunctional it REALLY was, those four folks just made such a cool band, in the truest sense of the word.

And as we get more and more Ginger, Jeff, Linda, Mikey, Nicole, Howard, yada, yada... I just realize even more fully that regardless of how deep he feels it, Billy is NOT The Smashing Pumpkins. It's those four, and no other combo of souls.

/end late night nostalgia rant while that BSB keeps playing on...

Elphenor
05-25-2014, 01:52 AM
Yeah JC is one of the greatest ever.

But Billy still made an A level album without him. An album that could not have happened without James.
James is the difference between a Shame and a Pale Horse.
And just listen to ZG's boring straight forward guitars. No amount of super drumming could ever save that.

Plus without Jame's quiet cool to balance out Billy's loud dorkiness you get a really lame band image wise and sound wise.

But at the same time I would agree that no other drummer could have made SD and MCIS.

Ram27
05-25-2014, 11:28 AM
margin

Ram27
05-25-2014, 11:28 AM
While clearly not James' strongest song, that "Summer" from the BSB '99 is way solid.

Anyways, yeah: on the JC vs JI debate... I think that initially in getting into the band, James was more of a "whoa, that dude is a character/is hilarious/is a great foil to BC" factor. Then as I got deeper into the music and grew up, I saw JC for what he is: a freight train.

Really, I'm not sure you could weigh the two against each other and have it make any sense. Both are just such unique, talented folks.

As we get further and further away from April 1999 (and as it gets more and more almost impossible at this point that we will ever see the original four on stage again) I just see more and more how rad the chemistry was of them. Regardless of how dysfunctional it REALLY was, those four folks just made such a cool band, in the truest sense of the word.

And as we get more and more Ginger, Jeff, Linda, Mikey, Nicole, Howard, yada, yada... I just realize even more fully that regardless of how deep he feels it, Billy is NOT The Smashing Pumpkins. It's those four, and no other combo of souls.

/end late night nostalgia rant while that BSB keeps playing on...

This guy.

The whole idea that you could replace any of the original four and have it be the same is fucking stupid and fundamentally wrong.

themadcaplaughs
05-25-2014, 11:40 AM
James was Billy's yang in every single way...

Personality wise, James was the person who could enjoy being a rock star and laughing at the silliness of it all while Billy took everything he did so seriously that it seems it bordered on insanity at some points.

Musically, that laid back nature crept in with Iha. His contributions to song arrangements and his guitar contributions give Smashing Pumpkins songs a texture, depth, and lush quality that has been missing on almost everything Billy has done since parting ways with James. Even James own songs seem to be the opposite of Billy's songs. Billy writes songs that are planned to the second, precise, and that jump out and yell at you. James' songs are more reflective, quirky, and almost have a sense of, "This could have been a better recorded song, but this is what you get." In albums like Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness and Machina, which can get bogged down in their pretentiousness, Iha's songs serve as a nice relief.

I have no surprise James has found success in producing and scoring music and film. It is very in line with his sensibilities. I also am not surprised that the highlights of James' most recent album sounded far "pumpkinsier" than anything Billy has released since bringing the name back,

Elphenor
05-25-2014, 01:53 PM
James' s guitar playing took Billy's straight up rock songs (very good rock songs ) to an artistic level.
There's a soft quirky/artsy feeling to MCIS and that's because you can hear James on every track.

slunken
05-25-2014, 03:04 PM
where is Jeff's solo album?

exactly

Ram27
05-25-2014, 05:12 PM
Anyone can use a fuckung ebow dude.


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juliana
05-25-2014, 06:08 PM
Lols! It isn't about james using an ebow, it is about the creative nature of james plus billy that really is the SP sound. Billy has said in 2013 that james inspired him.

Elphenor
05-25-2014, 06:57 PM
Adore could have been made without James easily. Seriously, I am starting to think you might not even know what you're talking about. Anyone can use a fuckung ebow dude. Adore was basically a solo project, kinda like a precursor to TFE.

Everyone knows that billy always was a control freak in the studio. He did 90% of everything minus the drums of course.

Doing subtle ebow noises for shame isn't unique or hard to do. You have to be trolling right?

And yet TFE is mostly shit and Adore is an artistic masterpiece.

Whenever you're listening to modern SP and you're like "Man, I kinda like this but it's just missing something"
That something is James.

Really you just have look at and hear Jeff play to see how important James was.

Elphenor
05-25-2014, 07:00 PM
God I hate Jeff.

All that boring ass textbook wanking. Nothing he has ever played is interesting or memorable in any way.

slunken
05-25-2014, 10:00 PM
I will agree with you there. It's academia vs soul

slunken
05-25-2014, 10:01 PM
When Jeff plays it's like a math equation. James was bb king style where one note meant everything

slunken
05-25-2014, 10:03 PM
As far as that " one note on the ebow" talk above, it's all about vibrato. Some got it and some don't. It's soul. Ask your gf, she'll tell you.

TuralyonW3
05-25-2014, 11:26 PM
James' s guitar playing took Billy's straight up rock songs (very good rock songs ) to an artistic level.
There's a soft quirky/artsy feeling to MCIS and that's because you can hear James on every track.

Let's make stuff up


I also agree on Jeff's "academic" playing though.

juliana
05-25-2014, 11:29 PM
When Jeff plays it's like a math equation. James was bb king style where one note meant everything

Yes!

I like Jeff but he is too similar to billy in playing style. If jeff and james played together they could make something interesting I bet.

bye june
05-27-2014, 09:24 AM
I think TheFutureEmbrace is the best thing he's put out since 2000...that and Sunkissed.

houseofglass11
05-27-2014, 01:02 PM
Jeff is so boring. No stage presence and clinical, characterless guitar playing. When I saw the Faking Pumpkins on the last tour Jeff's guitar was much louder than Billy's. I don't pay to hear Jeff Schroeder's guitar.

The e-bow stuff Jeff did on 'tonight, tonight' on the last tour was terrible. It was really cheesy and sci-fi sounding. They had a mellotron on stage, why not do the string part on there?

I wish Billy wouldn't let Jeff play on this new album at all. I'd much rather hear James play guitar and Billy wouldn't even let James play most of the time, so I certainly don't want to hear Jeff "Civilian" Schroeder.

fuzzyroes
05-27-2014, 02:47 PM
Jeffs pretty good. He plays the parts in a serviceable manner. That damn E-bow in Tonight, tonight was fucking terrible though.

Bread Regal
05-27-2014, 03:46 PM
was just listening to this machina show i attended when i was 15 for nostalgia purposes. this was about 2 weeks before billy announced the breakup of the band by the end of the year.

https://ia600307.us.archive.org/27/items/tsp2000-05-08.CSB.MZ-R55.flac16/tsp2000-05-08.CSB.MZ-R55d2t09_vbr.mp3

at one point during Blank Page, billy takes a letter being handed to him from the audience and starts "reading" it aloud and it's highly critical. The banter starts at about 5:00.

at the last part of the letter:

Billy: P.S. You guys were good around Gish, please go back to playing that kind of stuff.
James: I heard a couple negatives in there but I heard two positive points they made and, uh, after the show we're gonna analyze that and uh, you'll see some results pretty soon.

Given that they had probably already made the decision to end the band by that point, I laughed for like 2 minutes.

James is irreplacable for the stage banter alone.

juliana
05-27-2014, 03:57 PM
Dat hair

Ram27
05-27-2014, 04:25 PM
James is irreplacable for the stage banter alone.

His commentary about the naked man during that Germany show is great. And when the guy comes onstage during Fuck You, he's totally unfazed and just grins at him.

ping-ping
05-28-2014, 04:40 AM
I have no surprise James has found success in producing and scoring music and film. It is very in line with his sensibilities. I also am not surprised that the highlights of James' most recent album sounded far "pumpkinsier" than anything Billy has released since bringing the name back

My jaw dropped when I first heard "To Who Knows Where" -- it was weird, dude. I was thinking This is the Smashing Pumpkins, where the fuck have you guys been for the past fifteen years? I'm not one to gripe about a band's sound evolving. Loved Adore, loved Machina, it felt like a natural progression to me. Then comes the break up. I found some songs to love on the subsequent albums (The Rose March, A Stitch in Time, and Glissandra) but the err...soul of the band, my gut feeling of TSP...it's missing even from the highlights. So then James releases his second album and I expected it to be a departure from the first and hopefully a little bit better. He shocked me with that single. Either he's very good at aping pre-Zwan Corgan or he was a significant part of that sound, much more than writing credits or media or Corgan acknowledged.

And then there's always the consideration that Billy's standards/abilities were simply higher when Iha was in the band. From what he's said over the years he was intimidated by him and frustrated by his attitude (not a natural yes-man, apparently). I don't have exact quotes but hasn't Billy more or less said he wouldn't bring crap to the studio because he was thinking of the reaction from D'arcy and James?

Ram27
05-28-2014, 08:03 AM
What if the two Jameses were the most important to the band's sound, then Billy and Darcy?

juliana
05-28-2014, 08:28 AM
Lol!

Everyone knows SP is billy's music and he controlled everything and did most of it. But the james flavour was there and so was jimmy and d'arcy. It was their influence on corgan that created what we heard. Billy's song writting is not the issue, it is how the music is produced and the lack of scrutiny. James and D'arcy both have good taste and an artistic sense, they were good filters for corgan. James' solos were very unique to corgans and d'arcy's vocals were beautiful with billy's.

There is a reason billy called it quits only after james decided to leave. James was important to Billy and still is, hence his inability to forgive and make peace.

panda show
05-28-2014, 12:11 PM
yeah, nowadays nobody seems to have the guts to tell billy a song of his sucks.. jeff doesn't seem like the guy who does that, he actually seems like the guy who'd go along with any kind of shit corgan writes. nicole and mike, well, during the time they were in the band, they probably couldn't even say a word about whether they like something or not, since they were pretty much 'hired guns' and had to stick with whatever billy wanted to do/write.

back in the 90s, the smashing pumpkins actually functioned as A BAND, at least in selecting and filtering songs.. which is good enough for me.. that actually proves how much james, jimmy and d'arcy provided to the quality of the music.

fuzzyroes
05-28-2014, 04:22 PM
My jaw dropped when I first heard "To Who Knows Where" -- it was weird, dude. I was thinking This is the Smashing Pumpkins, where the fuck have you guys been for the past fifteen years? I'm not one to gripe about a band's sound evolving. Loved Adore, loved Machina, it felt like a natural progression to me. Then comes the break up. I found some songs to love on the subsequent albums (The Rose March, A Stitch in Time, and Glissandra) but the err...soul of the band, my gut feeling of TSP...it's missing even from the highlights. So then James releases his second album and I expected it to be a departure from the first and hopefully a little bit better. He shocked me with that single. Either he's very good at aping pre-Zwan Corgan or he was a significant part of that sound, much more than writing credits or media or Corgan acknowledged.

And then there's always the consideration that Billy's standards/abilities were simply higher when Iha was in the band. From what he's said over the years he was intimidated by him and frustrated by his attitude (not a natural yes-man, apparently). I don't have exact quotes but hasn't Billy more or less said he wouldn't bring crap to the studio because he was thinking of the reaction from D'arcy and James?

Well said. I felt the same way. I believe that James did add a lot of the atmospheric stuff that's sorely missing on all of the new pumpkins releases. Sure, Billy wrote the actual songs, but I'm of the belief that James added his "touch" to the tracks.

I think Corgans just bitter and tries very hard to throw a lot of revisionist history out there by ragging on James all of the time. I don't buy it for a second and it's sad that all of the SP fanboys just lick it up. I always hear this narrative that "Iha added nothing to the band"... But the music definitely indicates otherwise.

Ram27
05-28-2014, 06:15 PM
My jaw dropped when I first heard "To Who Knows Where" -- it was weird, dude. I was thinking This is the Smashing Pumpkins, where the fuck have you guys been for the past fifteen years? I'm not one to gripe about a band's sound evolving. Loved Adore, loved Machina, it felt like a natural progression to me. Then comes the break up. I found some songs to love on the subsequent albums (The Rose March, A Stitch in Time, and Glissandra) but the err...soul of the band, my gut feeling of TSP...it's missing even from the highlights. So then James releases his second album and I expected it to be a departure from the first and hopefully a little bit better. He shocked me with that single. Either he's very good at aping pre-Zwan Corgan or he was a significant part of that sound, much more than writing credits or media or Corgan acknowledged.


All you need is Jimmy's drums in there and it's the best Pumpkins song since 2000.

juliana
05-28-2014, 07:25 PM
Dude... We had that in zeitgeist. It didn't work!

dodoz
05-28-2014, 07:38 PM
I've always loved James, i'm a fan of his. His attitude, his banter, his humour, his guitar playing (yes. I've only heard of his so-called poor guitar-playing in recent years - if some people prefer the solo at the end of "Zero" BC's employee played, more power to em. I cringed so hard when I saw the "band" last year), his songs...I remember when "Let it come down" came out - it was announced, and then there was a review in a magazine I used to read. It was positive, the songtitles sounded "so James" I couldn't wait and bought it right when it came out. Good memories.

Ram27
05-28-2014, 08:14 PM
Oh lord. I didn't subject myself to enough new Pumpkins to really appreciate the badness.

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Ram27
05-28-2014, 09:24 PM
http://i.imgur.com/4bqYQxZ.png

Ram27
05-28-2014, 09:31 PM
But anyway seriously

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houseofglass11
05-29-2014, 02:43 AM
yerp

absof
05-29-2014, 03:00 AM
Compared to most of his outbursts towards fans, that's pretty tame and rational.

Elphenor
05-29-2014, 04:11 AM
Yeah. That sounded actually sane.

fuzzyroes
05-29-2014, 04:45 AM
Not really, the question was pretty much bang on. Corgan then stresses that they're NOT hired guns and then a year later they're both outta the band. Aside from Jeff, The bands been a big revolving door since "it" reformed. So it's silly to suggest that the hired-hand notion is offensive and disrespectful.

Ram27
05-29-2014, 10:38 AM
stop living in the pass

bye june
05-29-2014, 11:08 AM
But anyway seriously

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aww that was cute when he pushed the camera away during perfect

slunken
05-29-2014, 03:46 PM
http://i.imgur.com/4bqYQxZ.png

full version here:

http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb14/slunken_2007/SP%20LOL/creepinbigger.jpg (http://s207.photobucket.com/user/slunken_2007/media/SP%20LOL/creepinbigger.jpg.html)

Elphenor
05-29-2014, 03:54 PM
Boobs

slunken
05-29-2014, 03:56 PM
NY Incesticide

Elphenor
05-29-2014, 04:01 PM
Like, you can totally see her nipples.

That look Billy is giving James in that last pic. Hahaha

Elphenor
05-29-2014, 04:01 PM
That is the "James Iha is a piece of shit" look.

slunken
05-29-2014, 04:10 PM
I've been rewatching some old concerts lately, and I want to say that, when he's not directly smiling, it always looks like he's giving someone (usually James) a dirty look. I think its a lack of arching eyebrows. More often than not I just bet he's casually glancing over while he has his game face on, not shooting knives.

But as far as that picture above goes his body language does seem to indicate he's trying to distance himself away.

Ram27
05-29-2014, 04:39 PM
Like, you can totally see her nipples.




better but black and white

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_luf7qdYOp61qfkgyio1_400.jpg

dodoz
05-29-2014, 07:37 PM
From 92-2000 it was very, very difficult. i was alone in the studio probably 85pct of the time.

Billy, oh you poor thing. That is probably why you wanted to contribute to James's first solo album, so that you wouldn't be alone in the studio anymore.It was HIS solo album.

Anyway, wasn't "Mellon Collie" supposed to be one of their best/happiest times as a band ?

Elphenor
05-29-2014, 07:41 PM
better but black and white

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_luf7qdYOp61qfkgyio1_400.jpg

That is awesome

toase
05-29-2014, 08:09 PM
D'arcy Gaga

pavementtune
05-31-2014, 01:16 PM
James Iha appreciation:

L'Hôtel
vocals - Michael Stipe
guitars, synth, production - James Iha
(mastering Howie Weinberg)

Elphenor
05-31-2014, 01:27 PM
Wait. That happened?

pavementtune
05-31-2014, 01:38 PM
yes

http://eil.com/images/main/Serge-Gainsbourg-Monsieur-Gainsbou-431406.jpg

slunken
06-01-2014, 07:29 PM
yes

http://eil.com/images/main/Serge-Gainsbourg-Monsieur-Gainsbou-431406.jpg

The Kills do a great track on this comp

ping-ping
06-13-2014, 01:09 PM
James Iha appreciation:

L'Hôtel
vocals - Michael Stipe
guitars, synth, production - James Iha
(mastering Howie Weinberg)

Thanks for reminding me that this exists.

Cool As Ice Cream
06-13-2014, 01:51 PM
doesn't james do one of the bonus tracks too?

pavementtune
06-13-2014, 01:57 PM
The Ballad of Bonnie and Clyde - James Iha & Kazu Makino

plus he did guitars, bass, synth and produced the second track: I love you (me either) - Cat Power & Karen Elson

toase
06-13-2014, 09:37 PM
Never heard of that before... already downloading...

What about his soundtrack work? Is it any good? I've never listened to it either...

ping-ping
06-20-2014, 02:42 PM
I've only heard the soundtrack for Linda, Linda, Linda (he also scored another Japanese movie and most recently a TV show called Deadbeat). I think the music works really well in the film and it sounds very uh...Iha-y, you know, cool, atmospheric, whatever. It's good if you like his other work. That's all I have to say about that.

amoergosum
09-04-2014, 01:44 PM
"James Iha
First night in Tokyo at dinner. Jet lagged!"

https://scontent-a-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/v/t1.0-9/10383887_10152338286913284_6696521378011794457_n.j pg?oh=581690aa16cdd8e5e4fb0d1e4c9f4489&oe=547A606F

"Rehearsal in Tokyo with Horie and Nathan Beale. Still jet lagged!"

https://scontent-a-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/l/t1.0-9/10901_10152338286898284_2896558275384027634_n.jpg? oh=434bc49c4d8730aa63245d6ad3b2d6a5&oe=547C685E

"Right before we went onstage: a "go team" moment. I probably said something like "don't lose your minds!! have a good show!"…."

https://scontent-b-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/10408923_10152338285513284_3724622425528704364_n.j pg?oh=b235ace6549a88ff3d825a1641ed8001&oe=545C4318

panda show
09-04-2014, 02:31 PM
I wonder if james ever learned any japanese since that awkward video from 92

Ram27
09-04-2014, 02:54 PM
Matt Walker is following James on twitter, but Jimmy isn't

discuss

croPUMPKINS
09-04-2014, 03:52 PM
soooo...reading all this makes one set up bets.

who will figure out first hired guns don't work Axl or Billy?

on the sidenote..you can like the post 2000 band(s), but you can't seriously mean Billy hasn't done anything good.

Gossamer, Superchrist, USA, Death from Above, Doomsday, Starz, Tarantula, 7 shades, even some Oceania eg. Quassar.

toase
09-04-2014, 04:35 PM
james iha or get out

Ram27
09-04-2014, 09:17 PM
Jeff is so boring. No stage presence and clinical, characterless guitar playing. When I saw the Faking Pumpkins on the last tour Jeff's guitar was much louder than Billy's. I don't pay to hear Jeff Schroeder's guitar.

The e-bow stuff Jeff did on 'tonight, tonight' on the last tour was terrible. It was really cheesy and sci-fi sounding. They had a mellotron on stage, why not do the string part on there?


This.

I don't see why people bother to bootleg anything after 2000. The old songs sound like shit, and they're being played by replacements. Same thing with the MCIS tour after July 96. Matt's great, but Jimmy's the drummer. Sure he was good live, but that's not what you should keep and listen to.

Bomb The Moon
09-05-2014, 09:57 AM
are you people for real?!? have you gone back and watched the old videos of the absolute SHIT that Iha would play? you call the Shredder lifeless?!? no, Iha was completely lifeless and boring-as-hell on stage. not only is Jeff's playing far superior, technically, he actually seems to enjoy being on stage, playing with the pumpkins; something i'm never convinced iha did.

stylistically they are very different players, but Jeff is better suited for the rawk BC wants to bring these 2.0+ days (and would have probably played the old shit better too).

of all the repalcememnts in pumpkins 2.0+, Jeff has been the only thing worth getting excited about. finally, a guitar player who can keep up with BC!

idiots.

:dammit:

Tootles
09-05-2014, 10:10 AM
Bomb the Moon. Welcome to Netphoria. Stellar first post too.

toase
09-05-2014, 10:21 AM
hey Jeff, welcome, have a sit

amoergosum
09-05-2014, 10:23 AM
http://www.alternativenation.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/jeffwig.jpg

Ram27
09-05-2014, 11:58 AM
absolute SHIT that Iha would play?

that's not true though

panda show
09-05-2014, 02:23 PM
although you very much look like a troll account, nobody actually cares about what you think, bomb the moon.

we don't like jeff, and if you don't agree - you can go fuck yourself.

themadcaplaughs
09-05-2014, 10:13 PM
are you people for real?!? have you gone back and watched the old videos of the absolute SHIT that Iha would play? you call the Shredder lifeless?!? no, Iha was completely lifeless and boring-as-hell on stage. not only is Jeff's playing far superior, technically, he actually seems to enjoy being on stage, playing with the pumpkins; something i'm never convinced iha did.

stylistically they are very different players, but Jeff is better suited for the rawk BC wants to bring these 2.0+ days (and would have probably played the old shit better too).

of all the repalcememnts in pumpkins 2.0+, Jeff has been the only thing worth getting excited about. finally, a guitar player who can keep up with BC!

idiots.

:dammit:

What was your favorite guitar solo Jeff played on Teargarden by Kaleidyscope or Oceania? If you can actually answer this with something legitimate I will be impressed.

iPumpkin
09-05-2014, 11:01 PM
although you very much look like a troll account, nobody actually cares about what you think, bomb the moon.

we don't like jeff, and if you don't agree - you can go fuck yourself.

I like both.

houseofglass11
09-06-2014, 02:19 AM
Nice of you to stop by Jeff. You're still boring and Iha ownz you.

O'Doyle Rules
09-06-2014, 04:13 AM
Matt Walker is following James on twitter, but Jimmy isn't

discuss
Jimmy feels James is a shit musician or person? Although I admit, a lot can be determined from twitter follow status.

dreams of glass
09-08-2014, 11:34 PM
James was cool and sarcastic, funny, laid back, and classy as fuck at times with his outfits. I agree he was a good foil to BC, and just seemed like an interesting dude. Whether or not he was this ZOMG amazing guitar player is irrelevant. He was an integral part of the original band chemistry and dynamic.

He does "shred" in his own way though, as folks have pointed out, he was more artsy than traditional guitar god technical. I never knew he played that intro guitar bit in Glass and the Ghost Children, here's a good clip of it, skip to :27

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dho5eC_3u7M

Also, on the next video, from the 5:30 mark on, how awesome is Jame's solo? It almost seems like he's lost at sea in the beginning, just noodling around, and then he just cuts loose.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdjIdc9-13U

Elphenor
09-08-2014, 11:59 PM
Did the other members get along with James?

Elphenor
09-09-2014, 12:00 AM
All we ever hear about the band breaking up has to do with Billy. I always wondered if there were conflicts in the band that didn't have anything to do with Billy or if it's just that Billy is insufferable

amoergosum
09-09-2014, 12:54 AM
Also, on the next video, from the 5:30 mark on, how awesome is Jame's solo? It almost seems like he's lost at sea in the beginning, just noodling around, and then he just cuts loose.


>>>
http://youtu.be/NdjIdc9-13U?t=6m30s

Trotskilicious
09-09-2014, 01:25 AM
The Kills do a great track on this comp

how come they aren't on the label

<img src="http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lx1n2ii4o31qmsec0o1_500.gif">

Ram27
09-09-2014, 06:34 AM
Also, on the next video, from the 5:30 mark on, how awesome is Jame's solo? It almost seems like he's lost at sea in the beginning, just noodling around, and then he just cuts loose.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdjIdc9-13U

The live outro of Ruby is fucking intense

toase
09-09-2014, 09:25 AM
That ruby video is so good

toase
09-12-2014, 08:18 PM
James Iha is in the studio with Scott Weiland (??)

https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10351648_10152268039635685_7307655213337190145_n.j pg?oh=a3832cf4ab21d51bbc01d9b78e09bcee&oe=5491F524&__gda__=1418593137_3d840725e85a24ca351be8e473a5ec1 a

https://www.facebook.com/ScottWeiland/photos/a.10150137794170685.284420.7752565684/10152268039635685/?type=1&permPage=1

Araneae
09-12-2014, 08:30 PM
James looks practically the same. Time has been kind to him.

Ram27
09-12-2014, 08:42 PM
I'm assuming it applies to men too

http://i.imgur.com/9o8kspB.jpg

toase
09-12-2014, 08:44 PM
I am an asian male, I disagree

amoergosum
09-17-2014, 05:49 AM
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/cxt9dIq63b4" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Ram27
09-17-2014, 06:19 AM
that's his style

toase
09-17-2014, 08:34 AM
obviously because the motherfucker sucks that's why..show me ANY good live vocal performance from Iha with SP or solo..

"James Iha Appreciation Thread" - let's discuss all the drama between him and corgan and over analyze the deep dark meanings to his shitty songs and videos..and then let's pepper in a little more bullshit about how Iha "fit" the band better just because he didn't show the same continued interest and dedication that Jeff has..there shouldn't even be a question of who the better musician is, Iha has been out of the band for almost 15 years for fuck sake.

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houseofglass11
09-18-2014, 03:25 AM
Please refer to the 5:05 mark of this video:
<iframe width="420" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/5zPz-p_uEQc#t=5m5s" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Trotskilicious
09-18-2014, 03:29 AM
obviously because the motherfucker sucks that's why..show me ANY good live vocal performance from Iha with SP or solo..

"James Iha Appreciation Thread" - let's discuss all the drama between him and corgan and over analyze the deep dark meanings to his shitty songs and videos..and then let's pepper in a little more bullshit about how Iha "fit" the band better just because he didn't show the same continued interest and dedication that Jeff has..there shouldn't even be a question of who the better musician is, Iha has been out of the band for almost 15 years for fuck sake.

/me slow claps

love this

houseofglass11
09-18-2014, 03:40 AM
Jeff who? Never heard of him.

Cool As Ice Cream
09-18-2014, 03:45 AM
yeah i was wondering the same thing jeff who is jeff

Trotskilicious
09-18-2014, 03:46 AM
i don't know who jeff is either, but i like the way he phrased all of it

Cool As Ice Cream
09-18-2014, 03:47 AM
i didn't like "for fuck sake". i think "for fuck's sake" looks better.

Trotskilicious
09-18-2014, 04:05 AM
obviously the motherfucker sucks that's why

i mean he is right, he does suck at singing

i don't think he sucks at guitar otherwise he wouldn't still pull a paycheck

houseofglass11
09-18-2014, 09:41 AM
I like James' voice. He's not the best singer as far as pitch, but he has a warm sounding voice.

You goons are telling me you don't like "Blew Away", "The Boy", "The Bells" (should have been on MCIS), "Country Girl", "Go"...? Those songs are more Pumpkins than Pumpkins. James didn't need to "settle in to the Pumpkins aesthetic" like Jeff. He was the Pumpkins aesthetic.

Dude is the George Harrison of SP. Sensitive, cool, stylish, spiritual.

James Iha you are one bad ass motherfucker.

Bomb The Moon
09-18-2014, 09:45 AM
Dude is the George Harrison of SP. Sensitive, cool, stylish, spiritual.

He was the Ringo Starr of SP at best.

:dammit:

Cool As Ice Cream
09-18-2014, 10:25 AM
hahaha

Cool As Ice Cream
09-18-2014, 10:35 AM
then which beatle is bam bam mikey?

pete best

toase
09-18-2014, 10:41 AM
Please refer to the 5:05 mark of this video:
<iframe width="420" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/5zPz-p_uEQc#t=5m5s" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Jeff would never do that

Bomb The Moon
09-18-2014, 10:41 AM
then which beatle is bam bam mikey?

Jimmie Nicol

Funbags
09-18-2014, 11:31 AM
pete best

Holy shit. I was about to say that. I think we're best friends now.

Elphenor
09-18-2014, 12:05 PM
Oh the irony of dissing Iha's singing while being a fan of Corgan

Ram27
09-18-2014, 02:23 PM
goons are telling me you don't like "Blew Away", "The Boy", "The Bells" (should have been on MCIS), "Country Girl", "Go"...? Those songs are more Pumpkins than Pumpkins. James didn't need to "settle in to the Pumpkins aesthetic" like Jeff. He was the Pumpkins aesthetic.


Country Girl has the most Pumpkins sounding riff than anything Corgan has done since 1995

Elijah Moon
09-18-2014, 05:37 PM
Lazy Eye? I was just this minute listening to that for the first time in years...

toase
09-18-2014, 06:54 PM
I've just remembered Tinted Windows, that was nice

ping-ping
09-18-2014, 08:10 PM
He does "shred" in his own way though, as folks have pointed out, he was more artsy than traditional guitar god technical.

He was referred to as a "secret weapon" by those who didn't call him "lead guitarist" (not sure if that was an error by journalists or something the band themselves may have said at one point, especially in Mellon Collie era & beyond) -- I think it's just a reflection of the dynamic between Corgan & Iha/their personalities more than anything. Billy was the extroverted leader, James is introverted and prefers to work in a supporting role, so Billy did most of the in-your-face guitar and James added in atmospheric touches, ray guns, whatthefuckever. Then every now and then James would step beyond the e-bow and people would be like, "Holy shit, that made me feel tingly in my private area."

I'm not a technical person so I don't have much of an opinion on Jeff one way or the other, but his presence in the band has always sort of confused me. It's, "One of these things is not like the others." He seems too practical or sensible for all the bullshit that inevitably follows Billy. Most likely he ignores it. Workin' man.

I've seen James sing live with The Smashing Pumpkins (once), Tinted Windows (once), and his tour for his second album (four times). His singing has never even approached how bad he sounds when he goes to Japan/Korea. Everyone loves him so much over there he could probably hold his nose and burp the ABCs to deafening applause so maybe he doesn't give a fuck. Generally I love his voice on studio recordings -- he's got a great high/low range, but he admits his voice isn't well-suited to loud rock music and he seems a little disappointed by that. After his second album I came across a comment by someone accusing him of using AutoTune (probably here, you jerks). Got a good laugh out of that one.

toase
09-18-2014, 10:59 PM
Is that you James? I love you!

ping-ping
09-19-2014, 08:51 PM
Yes, I like to stare at myself in the mirror and fondle my nipples.

dodoz
09-21-2014, 07:22 AM
James will never be a vocalist, but I do like his voice, they fit his songs really well. Live singing is a different beast anyway, Lou Reed had a prime and then pretty much sucked, live, in the vocal department. And I mean no disrespect, I love Lou Reed.

bigoltitties
09-25-2014, 02:51 AM
He is genuinely hilarious in Special winners song. Always gets a laugh out of me.

dreams of glass
09-25-2014, 03:20 AM
Dude is the George Harrison of SP. Sensitive, cool, stylish, spiritual.

Yeah...YEAH! I like it. So, I think Billy wants to be John Lennon, but he's more like Paul.

toase
09-25-2014, 10:40 AM
billy is brian wilson, james is one of the other guys...

Ram27
08-16-2015, 11:53 PM
Slide guitar on To Sheila live>>>

https://ia801701.us.archive.org/10/items/tsp2000-09-20.sbd.flac16/tsp2000-09-20t05.mp3

inkless
08-17-2015, 04:43 AM
billy is brian wilson, james is one of the other guys...

james is dennis

FoolofaTook
08-17-2015, 08:00 AM
Jamez did some pretty sweet lead guitar stuff on live GATGC. That song is soooo much better live, and I actually like the studio version too.

KissesandNoise
08-17-2015, 01:13 PM
Listen to those riffs he's dropping in around 4 minutes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_Mr0ZOOe7k

Or his thing at the end of Disarm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iVrVgaHC-8



The Boy was pretty good, as was Go, as was Said Sadly.

I was pretty anti-James for a while because of how he seemed to not respect Billy and turn his nose up at someone that made him rich and famous. I thought James and D'arcy were dragging down the genius of BC/JC because of their attitude. Although that is partly true I've come to respect his presence much, much more. That said, his songs - although cute - generally brought albums to a screeching halt. They totally seemed like Billy was throwing him a bone and letting him do his completely flat, mumbling, frail-voiced songs just to appease him in the middle of these alt-rock powerhouse records.

Mals Marola
08-17-2015, 01:18 PM
I was pretty anti-James for a while because of how he seemed to not respect Billy and turn his nose up at someone that made him rich and famous. I thought James and D'arcy were dragging down the genius of BC/JC because of their attitude. Although that is partly true I've come to respect his presence much, much more. That said, his songs - although cute - generally brought albums to a screeching halt. They totally seemed like Billy was throwing him a bone and letting him do his completely flat, mumbling, frail-voiced songs just to appease him in the middle of these alt-rock powerhouse records.

i don't know i thought take me down, blew away, & go work pretty well on the respective albums/compilations they're on, honestly

and most of the aeroplane stuff works pretty well/fits into whatever lighter theme is happening on those records

Grox
08-17-2015, 02:51 PM
true. although i think James really wanted The Boy on MCIS.

Mals Marola
08-17-2015, 03:45 PM
that wouldn't have been so bad, honestly

probably woulda ended up somewhere late-ish on disc 2, but still, i could see it in place of beautiful or something (no h8!)

topleybird
08-17-2015, 05:27 PM
I think that'd work out really well, yeah

It's got that exaggerated teenage love-ache thing Billy seemed to be going for

Personally I'd switch it out for Lily (WHY did we need like twelve fucking versions of this song on the TAFH boxset*) but somewhere around the end of Disc 2 seems right




*It SUCKS

freshfacedyouth
08-17-2015, 08:23 PM
mcis is good as is, tafh is good as is

toase
08-18-2015, 07:41 PM
I was pretty anti-James for a while because of how he seemed to not respect Billy and turn his nose up at someone that made him rich and famous. I thought James and D'arcy were dragging down the genius of BC/JC because of their attitude. Although that is partly true...

how exactly?

I mean, I know you are probably speculating, but I'm sure you have a lot to back that theory of yours (besides billy's infantile rants over the years, I hope)

grape
08-19-2015, 12:46 AM
The Boy and The Bells are both terrible. Believe is the best James song under an SP banner, closely followed by Go and Blew Away. His solo album was totally forgettable. He's still a better live guitarist than Jeff, but that's a low hurdle. On yeah, and his backup vocals on She are the worst ever.

Does Billy need Iha to play on a record to sound good? No, obvious proof is Gish and SD. Listen to Today or Geek USA from 92, Billy basically wrote all the parts you think of as James's in the studio. That's why he could never play them accurately live.

Billy and Jimmy without James are capable of Siamese Dream. Billy and James without Jimmy are capable of Adore. Billy without anyone is capable of all the dozens of fantastic acoustic demos that prove to me he's fully capable of greatness whoever you pair him with.

I hold the controversial opinion Corgan's output post 2000 is as good as before. The only difference is you were too young to have critical distance from the music when you were a teenager. James Iha is nothing special as a singer, song writer, or really guitar player. I still appreciate his contributions but that's the fact. None of us would have ever heard of him if he never met BC. I really seriously doubt the inverse is true.

Mals Marola
08-19-2015, 12:55 AM
I think that'd work out really well, yeah

It's got that exaggerated teenage love-ache thing Billy seemed to be going for

Personally I'd switch it out for Lily (WHY did we need like twelve fucking versions of this song on the TAFH boxset*) but somewhere around the end of Disc 2 seems right




*It SUCKS

we can talk about beautiful but don't you touch lily

Mals Marola
08-19-2015, 12:58 AM
I hold the controversial opinion Corgan's output post 2000 is as good as before. The only difference is you were too young to have critical distance from the music when you were a teenager.

i was 17 when zeitgeist came out and still preferred siamese through machina

grape
08-19-2015, 01:18 AM
i was 17 when zeitgeist came out and still preferred siamese through machina

I almost went into more detail here but got lazy. In terms of songwriting I think Billy has stayed consistent in quality if not improved. I prefer MCIS to post reunion work altogether, but I think that is mostly from a performance perspective. Production is a separate issue.

One example would be, say, Zero and Mouths of Babes are equal to me from a songwriting perspective, but Zero was more fully realized in the studio. But Zero live in 2007, 2010, or 2015 is less exciting than Mouths of Babes in the studio. My conclusion is that if Billy wrote Zero today, no one on this board would like it. If he wrote Freak in 1994, we would all love it.

In my opinion half of that is due to performance but for most of the people who were teenagers in the 90's its a fair amount of nostalgia too. There's nothing Billy could do to impress me in my 30's that he couldn't do better in my teens. That's not really his fault, but its the curse of pop music as an art form.

dreams of glass
08-19-2015, 04:42 AM
James' stuff was cool, fo sho

listen to this and you can get a sense of how important he was

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/CBUicuBd8ow" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

dreams of glass
08-19-2015, 05:03 AM
SHE'S HAPPY AS A TUUUUURRRRTTTTLLLLE

https://youtu.be/CBUicuBd8ow?t=20m17s

KissesandNoise
08-19-2015, 02:48 PM
how exactly?

I mean, I know you are probably speculating, but I'm sure you have a lot to back that theory of yours (besides billy's infantile rants over the years, I hope)

Your quote kind of sums that up:

billy is brian wilson, james is one of the other guys...

I didn't catalog all the things I've read and seen over the years and yes, some of it was from BC rants. I read things about their (James/D'arcy) disdain for the long hours and Billy taking over in the studio, which means they didn't want to be part of his vision. I never read anything about Jimmy complaining about hours spent practicing and recording -ever. You know why? Because he nailed his parts.

KissesandNoise
08-19-2015, 02:55 PM
The Boy and The Bells are both terrible. Believe is the best James song under an SP banner, closely followed by Go and Blew Away. His solo album was totally forgettable. He's still a better live guitarist than Jeff, but that's a low hurdle. On yeah, and his backup vocals on She are the worst ever.

Does Billy need Iha to play on a record to sound good? No, obvious proof is Gish and SD. Listen to Today or Geek USA from 92, Billy basically wrote all the parts you think of as James's in the studio. That's why he could never play them accurately live.

Billy and Jimmy without James are capable of Siamese Dream. Billy and James without Jimmy are capable of Adore. Billy without anyone is capable of all the dozens of fantastic acoustic demos that prove to me he's fully capable of greatness whoever you pair him with.

I hold the controversial opinion Corgan's output post 2000 is as good as before. The only difference is you were too young to have critical distance from the music when you were a teenager. James Iha is nothing special as a singer, song writer, or really guitar player. I still appreciate his contributions but that's the fact. None of us would have ever heard of him if he never met BC. I really seriously doubt the inverse is true.

Are you crazy??!! Look at Iha's voluminous output since he was able to free himself from the shackles of Billy! Haha. I agree with you completely. I feel "Go" is OK. On the recording his vocals are barely louder than the soft ride cymbal. Come on! "Blew Away" is the only listenable song of his. Again they are both on the cute side. I can see how the frail, sad, soft songs from a guy that seemed like an underdog next to a talent like Billy has some appeal, but those songs suck. They never would have left his bedroom if he wasn't in SP.

KissesandNoise
08-19-2015, 03:02 PM
I see James as a guy - under Billy's tutelage - that became a very interesting sonic counterpart with his guitar. I also see his songs as a sweet, genuine counterweight to the grandiose approach to the rest of the catalog. Alone they suck. In the canon of SP they are important.

Elphenor
08-19-2015, 08:10 PM
The Boy is as good as any SP1 song and should have been on MCIS

Elphenor
08-19-2015, 08:13 PM
SD's guitars have like a million crafted overdubs that's how you end up with a situation where due to time constraints Billy played them all

But the songs were still written as a collaborative effort and there does not exist a performance where an SP song played live without James doesn't sound lacking

Also MCIS is SP's best album largely because you can actually hear James playing

Ram27
08-19-2015, 08:29 PM
there does not exist a performance where an SP song played live without James doesn't sound lacking


Holy shit yes

grape
08-19-2015, 10:02 PM
SD's guitars have like a million crafted overdubs that's how you end up with a situation where due to time constraints Billy played them all

But the songs were still written as a collaborative effort and there does not exist a performance where an SP song played live without James doesn't sound lacking

Also MCIS is SP's best album largely because you can actually hear James playing

If The Boy were included on Mellon Collie it would be the second worst song, after Take Me Down.

Also many of my favorite live performances are Zwan. Sweeney was much better as a Corgan collaborator and live guitarist than James was, in my opinion.

Really I think Jeff just sucks and that has skewed every show since 2007 on the underwhelming side.

toase
08-19-2015, 11:06 PM
Your quote kind of sums that up:

I didn't catalog all the things I've read and seen over the years and yes, some of it was from BC rants. I read things about their (James/D'arcy) disdain for the long hours and Billy taking over in the studio, which means they didn't want to be part of his vision. I never read anything about Jimmy complaining about hours spent practicing and recording -ever. You know why? Because he nailed his parts.

LOL
Jimmy was a drug addict and would vanish for days, have you really read those stupid rants?

The only reason he "nailed it" was because billy could not play the drums like Jimmy could, otherwise it would be a completely different story.

Worst things Billy's done since the comeback:
1- Shutting down the oboard
2- TGBK
3- Everything else

Butt Pope
08-19-2015, 11:19 PM
RIP James Iha

houseofglass11
08-20-2015, 12:21 AM
The Boy is as good as any SP1 song and should have been on MCIS

***

great song and I agree completely.

Elphenor
08-20-2015, 12:51 AM
If The Boy were included on Mellon Collie it would be the second worst song, after Take Me Down.

Also many of my favorite live performances are Zwan. Sweeney was much better as a Corgan collaborator and live guitarist than James was, in my opinion.

Really I think Jeff just sucks and that has skewed every show since 2007 on the underwhelming side.

I disagree with everything you've expressed in this thread except that Jeff sucks

Nice avatar tho

Elphenor
08-20-2015, 12:54 AM
I hope James gets at least a little vindication from SP being pretty shit without him

FoolofaTook
08-20-2015, 09:43 AM
pretty shit? lol ok bro.

amoergosum
08-27-2015, 04:04 AM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Was great working with the super talented awesome <a href="https://twitter.com/Kellinquinn">@Kellinquinn</a> on a <a href="https://twitter.com/PalayeRoyale">@PalayeRoyale</a> track recorded today <a href="http://t.co/H19y6Ac5Lt">pic.twitter.com/H19y6Ac5Lt</a></p>&mdash; James Iha (@James_Iha) <a href="https://twitter.com/James_Iha/status/636750373324107776">27. August 2015</a></blockquote>
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FoolofaTook
08-28-2015, 10:04 AM
not a single one of those fellows looks like a decent, upstanding (and whole-hearted) hetero.

what is this world coming to?

Ram27
08-28-2015, 10:27 AM
James looks like vintage '95

vixnix
09-03-2015, 06:50 AM
he looks so great. i love this man.

FoolofaTook
09-03-2015, 02:45 PM
in a totally non-sexual way tho, of course, it goes without saying, right?

Elphenor
09-03-2015, 04:27 PM
I'd do him

strokous
09-03-2015, 07:16 PM
this milquetoast angel

vixnix
09-03-2015, 08:21 PM
in a totally non-sexual way tho, of course, it goes without saying, right?

In all ways, I guess. But I'd mostly like to lay with him and rest my head on him and just let him talk to me about whatever was on his mind, at the time. He's always struck me as having an incredibly dry sense of humour and I really loved that about him.

I love him like an older brother, or father, I guess. I mean I think that, because I haven't had a particularly functional relationship with my own father, and I don't have an older brother, so I can't really know for sure. But I think it's like that kind of love.

Ram27
09-10-2015, 02:58 PM
I bought Look to the Sky on vinyl today

It's really nice. The digital stuff that turned me off originally sounds a lot smoother and nicer on the record. Side A is like...Smashing Pumpkins minus Jimmy and Billy's obsessive production values

DemonUnicorns
09-10-2015, 03:10 PM
I agree, I think the first half truly proves Iha's contributions to SP.

To Who Knows Where is really nice.

FoolofaTook
09-11-2015, 08:04 AM
I love him like an older brother, or father, I guess. I mean I think that, because I haven't had a particularly functional relationship with my own father, and I don't have an older brother, so I can't really know for sure. But I think it's like that kind of love.

Have you lain with your father or brother?

DemonUnicorns
09-11-2015, 10:29 AM
What the fuck.

toase
09-11-2015, 10:48 PM
I have this theory (drunk man's theory, have in mind)

In his first solo album, James was trying to get away from the sound of the pumpkins, as far as he could

Just as when when Billy got the pumpkins back, he too was trying to get the sound of the SP2.0 as far as he could from James contributions to SP1

After a few years James decided to release his second album with both old and new songs (he did not care if they sounded like the pumpkins or not, he wasn't thinking about the pumpkins anymore)

Great, now I'm gonna grab another drink

vixnix
09-11-2015, 11:16 PM
Have you lain with your father or brother?

I remember climbing into bed with him when I was very young and my Mum was away visiting her family with my younger brother. I was maybe 6 or 7...old enough to understand that it was weird and to feel weird about loving my Dad and being in bed with him like my Mum usually was. It was really sad because I just wanted to be close to him but he wasn't really very physically intimate or affectionate with anyone so I guess it made him uncomfortable and I picked up on that. :(

I slept next to my brothers a bunch of times but they're both younger, so I mothered them rather than the other way around. Well, when I wasn't being a coldhearted bitch to them, I guess.

toase
09-11-2015, 11:21 PM
ಠ_ಠ

Ram27
09-18-2015, 07:07 AM
Is there a version of Summer with Jimmy on drums?

Run To Me
09-18-2015, 09:02 AM
Ha ha!

Threads gettin hilarious

Thanks guys!

Ram27
09-18-2015, 09:05 AM
thanks you too

pavementtune
09-18-2015, 09:16 AM
Is there a version of Summer with Jimmy on drums?

don't think so.

Run To Me
09-18-2015, 09:21 AM
Speaking of James though....

What do you think he was doing that caused bill to so cruelly sneer "you can't do that" during Fat Man Blues Parts I and II (RTS)?

Run To Me
09-18-2015, 11:37 AM
Apart from giving him that "ancient japanese look." (Which is really kinda racist anyway.)

Mals Marola
09-18-2015, 11:47 AM
no it's not

FoolofaTook
09-18-2015, 03:06 PM
I remember climbing into bed with him when I was very young and my Mum was away visiting her family with my younger brother. I was maybe 6 or 7...old enough to understand that it was weird and to feel weird about loving my Dad and being in bed with him like my Mum usually was. It was really sad because I just wanted to be close to him but he wasn't really very physically intimate or affectionate with anyone so I guess it made him uncomfortable and I picked up on that. :(

I slept next to my brothers a bunch of times but they're both younger, so I mothered them rather than the other way around. Well, when I wasn't being a coldhearted bitch to them, I guess.

this is all great information. thank you so much for sharing.

Catherine Wheel
09-19-2015, 08:28 AM
not a single one of those fellows looks like a decent, upstanding (and whole-hearted) hetero.

what is this world coming to?

If I could provide a caption for that picture it would be "James Iha produces hair metal band's album"

Ram27
11-20-2015, 10:49 AM
https://archive.org/download/tsp1992-07-23.flac16/tsp1992-07-23t02.mp3

This pretty much sums up everything awesome about James in the first 30 seconds

Cheeky banter-->ethereal guitar riffs

Forgotten Child
11-24-2015, 07:13 PM
I am not sure if you guys knew this one, but this the first time I listened to this song

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/fMJE7Ckc9sY" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

GracefulSwan
12-01-2015, 12:09 PM
His contribution to SP is vastly underrated

Grox
12-01-2015, 12:29 PM
HELLO CLEVELAND!

https://archive.org/details/tsp1996-07-03.ecm909a.flac16

Ram27
12-01-2015, 01:04 PM
Shut the FUCK up man we're talking about the fuckin cone!

Poots
12-02-2015, 12:32 PM
Yesterday and Today: James Iha at 60-The Lion in Winter

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.89075.1313875422!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/gallery_1200/gal-kk-danny-kamekona-jpg.jpg

Run To Me
12-02-2015, 02:21 PM
Also he wrote the chords to arguably the best SP song of all: mayonaise

Can u even imagine siamese without mayonaise? That chord progression still knocks me flat, so much complex emotion in it

Poots
12-02-2015, 06:50 PM
I wonder what part Corgan wrote and what part Iha wrote. I can imagine a scenario where Iha is showing him the chords and Billy is thinking "fuck that's pretty good I don't know if I can outright claim this one" and then he tells Iha "yeah I get the idea give me the fucking guitar" WEEDLY WEEDLY WHEEEEW WHEEDLY WHEEDLY WHEEEEEeeeeeeeEEW "Maybe it should go more like that though but keep trying china-man"

FoolofaTook
12-03-2015, 10:24 AM
james is japanese and boris are japanese

do you think it is a coincidence he plays gibson les paul studio axes JUST LIKE WATA?

do you think it is a coincidence he has long hair JUST LIKE ATSUO?

do you think is is a coincidence that he is sickly thin just like TAKESHI?


I DON"T THINK SO

Poots
12-03-2015, 10:46 AM
James Iha buys used panties from a vending machine

NovaFritz
12-03-2015, 11:50 AM
nice song, but too bad he is such an un-energetic performer/singer/songwriter

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/n9TtyPKEwWA" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Lt_Beans_McGood
12-03-2015, 02:22 PM
UNGHHHHH I HAVE A VINTAGE FENDER JAZZMASTER UNGGHHHHHHHHHHH IGHHHHHHHHHHHH WATCH ME PRESS THIS BOUTIQUE GUITAR PEDAL WITH MY ORGANIC CONVERSE ALLSTAR OR WHATEVER UNGHHHHHHHHHHHHHH OOPS PRESSED THE WRONG ONE BUT THERE ARE NO MISTAKES IN ART

WE CAN SAVE THE PLANET IF WE ALL SKATEBOARD TO ART SCHOOL AND THE APPLE STORE

NovaFritz
12-03-2015, 03:41 PM
UNGHHHHH I HAVE A VINTAGE FENDER JAZZMASTER UNGGHHHHHHHHHHH IGHHHHHHHHHHHH WATCH ME PRESS THIS BOUTIQUE GUITAR PEDAL WITH MY ORGANIC CONVERSE ALLSTAR OR WHATEVER UNGHHHHHHHHHHHHHH OOPS PRESSED THE WRONG ONE BUT THERE ARE NO MISTAKES IN ART

WE CAN SAVE THE PLANET IF WE ALL SKATEBOARD TO ART SCHOOL AND THE APPLE STORE

Hi James!

Elphenor
12-03-2015, 05:42 PM
sounds more like SP than anything Billy's done without James

Ram27
12-03-2015, 05:52 PM
I wish James was playing the electric parts in that vid and the other guy was playing acoustic

James' soul/style when playing those riffs is irreplaceable

NovaFritz
12-03-2015, 06:16 PM
sounds more like SP than anything Billy's done without James

true true, BC/JC 98% of SP my ass:dead:

Ram27
12-03-2015, 09:22 PM
4 members, each contributed 25% to the sound

tricky shit

Elphenor
12-04-2015, 07:13 AM
James voice DOES suck though

Run To Me
12-04-2015, 11:58 AM
James voice DOES suck though

I would tend to agree but for "Go." I feel that song is beautifully sung and it makes me wonder if James was finally beginning to come into his own on the vocals. That performance is so much more confident and tasteful and sensitive than anything he did for them previously

Ram27
12-04-2015, 12:21 PM
Remember that thread where everyone was debating whether it was Jimmy or James singing on Go?

Run To Me
12-04-2015, 12:51 PM
Just searched it, huh! I never knew there was a theory Jimmy sang it...I guess I can see that. I'll have to, er, go listen to it again

T&T
12-04-2015, 01:16 PM
uh... are you guys retarded.
it's clearly james singing on Go,
are you guys deaf?


how cool would it be if James killed himself?! think it would make SP popular again?
can you imagine Billy's statement: "that was was always selfish, I had hoped he'd die, and now he's dead, good. selfish prick."

iPumpkin
12-04-2015, 01:36 PM
Wow, That song is pretty great. Wonder if Bill will rape it in the studio.

Ram27
12-04-2015, 06:34 PM
What song?

Poots
12-04-2015, 06:45 PM
Has James gone gray or is that some sort of dye? He would be the person to just dye it totally gray.

strokous
12-04-2015, 08:09 PM
he dyed it grey for a while than switched to an ugly ass platinum shade

i'm glad his hair is back to normal tbh. That color didn't suit him at all

James
12-08-2015, 12:41 PM
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Ram27
12-08-2015, 02:01 PM
Guitar is gorgeous on that

FoolofaTook
12-09-2015, 08:51 AM
you guys remember when i said that james looked like a galactic apalca?

that was pretty funny.

in stereo
12-10-2015, 10:16 AM
I'm not a huge James fan, but I do think his solo album was way better than MTAE.

I think SP sucking since 2000 has less to do with James not being there, and more to do with the fact that Billy can't write songs anymore. There's no guitar lines he could add to bullshit songs like "Being Beige" to make them good. He's not a miracle worker.

houseofglass11
12-10-2015, 11:44 AM
how cool would it be if James killed himself?! think it would make SP popular again?
can you imagine Billy's statement: "that was was always selfish, I had hoped he'd die, and now he's dead, good. selfish prick."

What a nutjob. Did you forget to take your medicine?

Ram27
12-10-2015, 11:53 AM
I'm not a huge James fan, but I do think his solo album was way better than MTAE.

I think SP sucking since 2000 has less to do with James not being there, and more to do with the fact that Billy can't write songs anymore. There's no guitar lines he could add to bullshit songs like "Being Beige" to make them good. He's not a miracle worker.

He wouldn't let Billy write a song like Being Beige in the first place

FoolofaTook
12-10-2015, 02:50 PM
Yeah, he'd make sure it was at least as good as Tinted Windows.

TheAeroplane
01-04-2016, 01:13 AM
James was great. TSP are Billy, James, Darcy and Jimmy. Anything else is masturbation.

FoolofaTook
01-04-2016, 09:55 AM
Including your mother.

amoergosum
02-04-2016, 01:35 PM
"James Iha ‏@James_Iha
Hey Japan! *********尾と、Isaoとで、2016春夏シーズンvaporizeの打ち*********わせ、良い感じ "

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CaUYzBrUsAAQDwy.jpg

enthusaroo
02-07-2016, 01:34 PM
Without Iha.. Billy would have been a homeless pedo and Jimmy just another heroin addict. There finally some one said it.

fuzzyroes
02-07-2016, 03:15 PM
James was pretty important to at least the image of the band. When I was a kid me and my 2 buddies all thought Iha was the coolest member of the band.

SmoothSailing
03-10-2016, 06:31 PM
James was pretty important to at least the image of the band. When I was a kid me and my 2 buddies all thought Iha was the coolest member of the band.

Why? Cause he's Asian?

toase
03-10-2016, 10:31 PM
No it's because he and his friends

well...

SmoothSailing
03-11-2016, 09:28 AM
No it's because he and his friends

well...

Did the fact that he's Asian have any impact on what you thought of him? What if he was the same dude but he's white?

toase
03-11-2016, 06:28 PM
Did the fact that he's Asian have any impact on what you thought of him? What if he was the same dude but he's white?

I wasn't talking about James

But I love James, and I love that he is asian