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Ram27
05-07-2014, 08:43 PM
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Ram27
05-07-2014, 08:43 PM
TOMMY LEE IS IN

Here's a shot from the mission out west. Just finished round 1 of tracking drums with Tommy Lee for the new the Smashing Pumpkins album. Shockla-locka-boom. Yes, that T Lee for all 9 songs of 'Monument To An Elegy.'

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Ram27
05-07-2014, 08:45 PM
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soniclovenoize
05-07-2014, 08:47 PM
That's dumb, bring the kid back.

Ram27
05-07-2014, 08:48 PM
So based on like two youtube videos he seems like a more metal Dave Grohl.

I'm not sure if I like this. I don't like TOASE.

It's better than Mike of course but his style isn't very Pumpkinsy.

At least he's a professional

Order 66
05-07-2014, 08:53 PM
well billiam at least nobody can say you're predictable. for the most part

juliana
05-07-2014, 08:58 PM
The question is will there be a rollercoaster lols!

scottytheoneand
05-07-2014, 09:26 PM
Tommy is a solid drummer, but I doubt we'll ever see them on stage together.

juliana
05-07-2014, 09:50 PM
Bet he is at ravinia

Araneae
05-07-2014, 09:51 PM
Awful.

SlingeroGuitaro
05-07-2014, 09:53 PM
I thought he was done with fucked up drug addicts

Araneae
05-07-2014, 09:55 PM
Fucked up drug attic with a sex video who beat his wife and was in a shitty hair metal band.

He's a terribly overrated drummer. The fancy kit doesn't make him good.

juliana
05-07-2014, 10:00 PM
Muahahaha, corgan you so crazy.

TuralyonW3
05-07-2014, 11:36 PM
Omg

dustrock
05-07-2014, 11:40 PM
Obligatory: Jimmy would have had literally 10x as many touches on the drums. Now I know what I look like when I'm playing drums in Guitar Hero.

Lucky Day Spa
05-07-2014, 11:43 PM
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he's late exiting fills, just like mike

Lucky Day Spa
05-07-2014, 11:43 PM
&lt;/snark&gt;

D.
05-08-2014, 12:06 AM
Fucked up drug attic with a sex video who beat his wife and was in a shitty hair metal band.

He's a terribly overrated drummer. The fancy kit doesn't make him good.

iz that u monty??

MusicMan4
05-08-2014, 12:07 AM
i like how being a drug attic is now something that disqualifies you from the pumpkins

TuralyonW3
05-08-2014, 12:13 AM
i like how being a drug attic is now something that disqualifies you from the pumpkins

for real. it's like hour-long interviews with alex jones is ok and heroin is not?

Araneae
05-08-2014, 12:21 AM
iz that u monty??

Ah fuck, I didn't even catch that…and I here I thought I was doing pretty well considering how much I drank tonight.

i like how being a drug attic is now something that disqualifies you from the pumpkins

Looks like I've passed on the monty disease.

But on a serious note, you're taking it out of context. I was piggybacking on slingeros comment. It's just funny since Billy bitched out Jimmy for being a "destructive human being" but he has no problem recruiting Tommy Lee.

juliana
05-08-2014, 12:24 AM
Well he might only be a session drummer

Funbags
05-08-2014, 12:29 AM
At least you can be sure the drums are going to be big and rocking on this album.

Lucky Day Spa
05-08-2014, 12:39 AM
http://forums.netphoria.org/customavatars/avatar29261_2.gif

Starla
05-08-2014, 12:55 AM
wow i wasn't expecting this

MusicMan4
05-08-2014, 12:56 AM
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D.
05-08-2014, 12:57 AM
Ah fuck, I didn't even catch that…and I here I thought I was doing pretty well considering how much I drank tonight.

;)

Starla
05-08-2014, 01:06 AM
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amoergosum
05-08-2014, 01:21 AM
Now that's a surprise...I did NOT expect this at all.

#1 I'm really happy that somebody other than Mike is playing drums.

#2 Seriously?...Tommy Lee?...at least he knows hot to get that hot drum sound >>>

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#3 Billy didn't even mention the reason why Tommy Lee is playing drums instead of Mike. I knew it was serious when Mike's mom was pissed off (Facebook comment).

amoergosum
05-08-2014, 01:34 AM
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Skradgee
05-08-2014, 01:40 AM
lol Fuel

amoergosum
05-08-2014, 01:48 AM
There are some questions for Mike on Twitter >>>

Garrett Bracken ‏@Satur9_Sway 5 Std.
@MikeByrneDrums Yo, Mike......so, uh, what's happening?

Eric ‏@Stickman779 4 Std.
Are you out of the smashing pumpkins? @MikeByrneDrums. Please say it isn't so.

Quintin LaFoe ‏@QUINTtastic 58 Min.
@MikeByrneDrums hope youre still in the pumpkins man, love your drumming!

cswappo ‏@cswappo 19 Min.
@MikeByrneDrums dude....what's going on with Tommy lee?


...and for Nicole >>>

Nino DeMaggio ‏@NinoDeMaggio 3 Std.
@xocoleyf Nicole I must know at this point, will you be playing on the next SP record? Hope to hear something soon.

The Omega Concern
05-08-2014, 01:56 AM
Interesting choice. I would guess Billy is not done with chunky drop D riffs just yet.

amoergosum
05-08-2014, 02:04 AM
Tell us about the new album, Oceania

"The band as a whole worked on that on a creative level. Billy and I have been making music since I got hired. We're working on the overarching project Teargarden by Keildyscope which is the free 44-song deal. Billy and I have been making music since I got hired. I'd never been in a real professional studio so I had to learn the ticks of the trade and make it sound articulate like Jimmy was capable of doing."

Were you using a click?

"We did the whole record click free. There's stuff that's programmed but any time you hear acoustic kit is all click-less, which was a real interesting challenge but it makes the pockets seem much more natural. I'll be honest there were moments I was banging my head against the wall but I think the overall feel of the album benefits from it. I enjoyed having a freedom and pocket on the record, it's got a Zep-vibe in that way."

What's on the horizon for the Pumpkins?

"We have this record dropping in March. As a rule this band is bored of the traditional system of drop a record, play behind the record, same old song and dance. Around March you'll start seeing us again, we're not sure how exactly we'll promote the record but it'll be something extravagant."

Source:
http://www.musicradar.com/rhythm/mike-byrne-talks-smashing-pumpkins-rabid-fandom-and-click-tracks-523505/

Funbags
05-08-2014, 02:09 AM
I'm actually looking forward to hearing something Billy is making (for once).

* Outside producer? Check.
* Pro drummer? Check.

Hopefully he'll be doing the bass too.

amoergosum
05-08-2014, 02:29 AM
6/24/2013 >>>

"Billy Corgan ‏@Billy
The most wonderful drummer in the world"

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BNhwfClCcAAmkbZ.jpg


5/8/2014 >>>


http://static.wixstatic.com/media/e56f8f_d087883039d24a1a843030a88228979c.jpg_srz_p_ 452_339_75_22_0.50_1.20_0.00_jpg_srz

Kahlo
05-08-2014, 03:03 AM
bRINg BACK MICKE BYRNE

SINED!

Cool As Ice Cream
05-08-2014, 03:15 AM
flippin' burgers

amoergosum
05-08-2014, 03:30 AM
"William Patrick Corgan
5. Februar
HAPPY BIRTHDAY to a man I respect so much, and who is so cool he doesn't need social media. Jeff 'The Shredder' Schroeder of The Smashing Pumpkins"

>>>

"Chris Byrne
It's my son's birthday too. Happy birthday Mike!"

amoergosum
05-08-2014, 03:34 AM
Billy's Facebook page >>>

"William Patrick Corgan
NEWS ON TOMMY LEE PLAYING ON 'MONUMENTS TO AN ELEGY' / SP ALBUM UPDATE #SPNexus #PANOPTICON"

Most liked comments >>>

"Geoffrey Mueller
Get Chamberlin back!"

"Kyle Lauritch Kullas
I'd really like if Billy would address the absence of Mike and Nicole"

Funbags
05-08-2014, 03:40 AM
Billy kinda fails at human relations, huh.

Spira|_
05-08-2014, 03:48 AM
I am happy mike is out, at least seems as.

For other side listening the couple of videos posted here, I hate the style tommy plays and tbh the sound out of his drums reminds me mike's rotten sound...

And I just hope billy is not doing a black sabath or hair metal or dad rock sound style album...because the drummer for it he already has. Oh poor fuck...

Cool As Ice Cream
05-08-2014, 04:04 AM
billy's gone hair metal for years now

and maybe mike isn't really out

Lucky Day Spa
05-08-2014, 04:29 AM
three drummers at once

Bread Regal
05-08-2014, 04:33 AM
Most ridiculous SP news in a while.

Funbags
05-08-2014, 04:54 AM
Twist: he's actually using a midi kit so Billy can trigger drum samples when he gets back to Chicago.

amoergosum
05-08-2014, 05:15 AM
Mike's Twitter profile...it's kind of weird that he hasn't deleted the SP link...it takes you right to the Tommy Lee update >>>

Mike Byrne
@MikeByrneDrums

Drummer for Smashing Pumpkins

Oregon · Smashingpumpkins.com

amoergosum
05-08-2014, 05:43 AM
And it's weird that he hasn't added "Drummer for Bearcubbin'!" ...I mean...that's the band he's definitely in right now...does that not piss off his bandmates?

Lucky Day Spa
05-08-2014, 05:49 AM
he probably has other things to focus on

but if you want to put some structure around your hunches, this might help:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signalling_(economics)

panda show
05-08-2014, 05:55 AM
And it's weird that he hasn't added "Drummer for Bearcubbin'!" ...I mean...that's the band he's definitely in right now...does that not piss off his bandmates?he probably hasn't added that cause nobody gives a shit about Bearcubbin

Ram27
05-08-2014, 06:11 AM
He probably doesn't even think about that...I never look at my profile bio thing.

He'll get around to it sometime.

DuoSonic
05-08-2014, 06:12 AM
This is frustrating because they actually felt like a band. Since the reunion of the Pumpkins, it felt like Billy with some hired guns on stage until this lineup. A band that actually recorded an album together, interacted on stage together, and looked like they were having fun. I don't get what's happening.

scottytheoneand
05-08-2014, 06:12 AM
I doubt we'll see Tommy on stage with bill. This seems like its probably just a studio thing.

Ram27
05-08-2014, 06:13 AM
Remember when people didn't like Jimmy because of the heroin and being all 'dark'?

Look at this fucker.

And JC had the chops to make up for it

HereIsNoWhy4U
05-08-2014, 06:25 AM
He should have just gotten another experienced jazz drummer.

Syrial Carpens
05-08-2014, 06:39 AM
He should have just gotten another experienced jazz drummer.

Or, if he really wanted a metal drummer, go with Dave Lombardo. He's available, and has worked with John Zorn, so he has the jazz chops to pull it off.

MusicMan4
05-08-2014, 06:44 AM
I think Billy should follow his muse wherever it takes him :)

HereIsNoWhy4U
05-08-2014, 07:13 AM
I think Billy should follow his muse wherever it takes him :)

*cough* Zeitgeist *cough*

Pizza Club
05-08-2014, 07:18 AM
#2 Seriously?...Tommy Lee?...at least he knows hot to get that hot drum sound >>>


First of all, lol.


I knew it was serious when Mike's mom was pissed off (Facebook comment).

Can you screenshot this?

scottytheoneand
05-08-2014, 08:05 AM
He should have just gotten another experienced jazz drummer.

Like Kenny Aronoff

HereIsNoWhy4U
05-08-2014, 08:11 AM
Like Kenny Aronoff

Kenny Aronoff > Mike Byrne

Matt Walker would have been amazing.

sppunk
05-08-2014, 08:21 AM
Hey if SP is going to suck (and they have for more than a decade now) it's good they'll at least suck in LOL fashion.

killtrocity
05-08-2014, 09:13 AM
I'm not very familiar with Motley Crue, but I doubt Tommy Lee would be working on stuff that sounds like Widow Wake My Mind

Tootles
05-08-2014, 09:21 AM
It's a sad day to be a pumpkin fan

bye june
05-08-2014, 09:31 AM
The key word here is 'tracking'. Does that even mean official recording for the album? Didn't he say he would start recording in August? Sounds like they might still be doing demos.

amoergosum
05-08-2014, 09:33 AM
The key word here is 'tracking'. Does that even mean official recording for the album? Didn't he say he would start recording in August? Sounds like they might still be doing demos.

You didn't pay attention. It's the real deal.

juliana
05-08-2014, 09:35 AM
He was going to be done recording in august you ninny. I think they chose tommy lee for the monuments album only.

bye june
05-08-2014, 09:38 AM
He was going to be done recording in august you ninny. I think they chose tommy lee for the monuments album only.

He never said he was going to be done in August.

juliana
05-08-2014, 09:46 AM
He never said he was going to be done in August.

What the fuck is this then "And though this work may not read as exciting as past posts, it ‘tis the time for finishing, helping us to set an end date to recording by 8.15.14. Seriously." ???

http://www.smashingpumpkinsnexus.com/#!STEP-IT-UP-SP-ALBUM-UPDATE/c7ba/5DD3BC0D-3822-41CE-81AF-4D2AC4D60348

bye june
05-08-2014, 09:56 AM
I thought he meant "Recording by 8/15/14."

juliana
05-08-2014, 10:01 AM
"End date to recording"

He later states he is done and ready for tracking. The drums will take 3 weeks.

juliana
05-08-2014, 10:05 AM
Why get tommy lee to track demos for three weeks, lols what a waste of time and money? That isn't what is happening. Tommy is a session drummer playing on this specific album, he isn't a new band member.

croPUMPKINS
05-08-2014, 10:23 AM
I'm not very familiar with Motley Crue, but I doubt Tommy Lee would be working on stuff that sounds like Widow Wake My Mind

I am with you on that one.

we all would like to see Jim back, but no doubt this is far more exciting than Mickey.

On the sidenote, Josh Freeze would have been a better fit.

juliana
05-08-2014, 10:26 AM
Tommy lee was heavily influenced by kiss. That is probably why they picked him.

Trotskilicious
05-08-2014, 10:28 AM
Most ridiculous SP news in a while.

Does siddharta not count as sp news

Gollum
05-08-2014, 10:32 AM
so Billy had Mike drop out of life to follow him around the world for a few years and then ditched him for Tommy Lee? wtf

Mike probably keeps all the SP references on his twitter to boost his skype drum lessons.

Pizza Club
05-08-2014, 11:08 AM
I'm looking forward to seeing how this turns out. I like the way Tommy Lee plays. It's kind of similar to how Kenny came to play with SP - accomplished drummer that played with an artist you wouldn't associate with SP comes plays along for a bit.

I also doubt that Tommy Lee will be doing any touring

amoergosum
05-08-2014, 11:31 AM
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Implosion
05-08-2014, 11:36 AM
Maybe Billy can do an 8 hour improvised electronic performance inspired by Tommy & Pam's sex tape.

juliana
05-08-2014, 11:39 AM
I hope so!

Also, there are some hipster douchebags who are pretty angry about tommy lee, therefore I am happy :)

Trotskilicious
05-08-2014, 11:50 AM
so Billy had Mike drop out of life to follow him around the world for a few years and then ditched him for Tommy Lee? wtf

Mike probably keeps all the SP references on his twitter to boost his skype drum lessons.

Whats wrong with that?

amoergosum
05-08-2014, 11:52 AM
I don't think Mike is still in the band.
Do you really think Billy is gonna send him the new album with a note which reads 'Mike, can you please learn Tommy Lee's drum parts for the upcoming tour?' ....come on....

soniclovenoize
05-08-2014, 12:13 PM
I don't think Mike is still in the band.
Do you really think Billy is gonna send him the new album with a note which reads 'Mike, can you please learn Tommy Lee's drum parts for the upcoming tour?' ....come on....

That will be WAY easier than learning Jimmy Chamberlin parts.

amoergosum
05-08-2014, 12:17 PM
That will be WAY easier than learning Jimmy Chamberlin parts.

...;)

Trotskilicious
05-08-2014, 12:20 PM
I hope so!

Also, there are some hipster douchebags who are pretty angry about tommy lee, therefore I am happy :)

Thats stupid. Tommy lee is not the right fit for this band

juliana
05-08-2014, 12:27 PM
He isn't in the band. Just a guest drummer.

adamdanger!
05-08-2014, 12:29 PM
Tommy seems like a bonehead, no-finesse drummer. Not sure this will work.

Trotskilicious
05-08-2014, 12:30 PM
I hope so!

Also, there are some hipster douchebags who are pretty angry about tommy lee, therefore I am happy :)

Thats stupid. Tommy lee is not the right fit for this band

adamdanger!
05-08-2014, 12:36 PM
If they replace Jeff with Adrian Smith I'd be happy.

juliana
05-08-2014, 12:36 PM
He is an indication of the sound of the album. Maybe just a straight forward rock album. I expect the next album will have a different drummer.

bye june
05-08-2014, 12:40 PM
He should get Zach Hill

Tootles
05-08-2014, 12:40 PM
Can I cry now??

juliana
05-08-2014, 12:42 PM
Why you miss mike?

soniclovenoize
05-08-2014, 01:00 PM
He was the embodiment of the American Dream.

Araneae
05-08-2014, 01:19 PM
Tommy seems like a bonehead, no-finesse drummer. Not sure this will work.

He's not really a technical sort. To me, he sounds rather flat and terribly boring. I actually don't think he's really an improvement over Mike. Tommy Lee is the sort of musician that is more known for his antics than his actual skills (i.e. playing and hanging upside down on his 360 drum kit).

Ram27
05-08-2014, 01:41 PM
if you're not a technical drummer why are you even here

Trotskilicious
05-08-2014, 02:01 PM
Janet weiss is free i think

MusicMan4
05-08-2014, 02:05 PM
He should recruit the drummer from MCR now that they're dead

adamdanger!
05-08-2014, 02:17 PM
Well if he tours, he better bring the roller coaster kit. Or maybe a ferris wheel drum kit and they can set up hot dog stand-shaped amps in front of it and Bildo can throw back some tube steaks between songs.

Bread Regal
05-08-2014, 02:23 PM
There are a few things that can be inferred from this.

1) Billy has the cash to hire expensive drummers. Tommy Lee has the name recognition to be able to charge a pretty penny for his time.
2) Even though Billy has the cash, he had to skip over a bunch of names on a very long list of session drummers before he got to Tommy Lee. That means nobody wants to work with him.

This partnership won't last more than a month and everything we hear about Tommy Lee out of Billy's mouth from July onward will be trash talking.

This news was also released in the middle of the night. What are the chances we all heard this news before Mikey did?

scottytheoneand
05-08-2014, 02:46 PM
This is OK news

Drums on the new album will be better than the last.

Tommy is a good rock drummer

We'll never see him play live with bill. Certainly not this year, since Crue is on your starting this summer.

Reyngel
05-08-2014, 03:06 PM
This is the new Pumpkins:

http://youtu.be/6lCGzO-6Zgc

amoergosum
05-08-2014, 03:38 PM
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T&T
05-08-2014, 03:38 PM
This partnership won't last more than a month and everything we hear about Tommy Lee out of Billy's mouth from July onward will be trash talking.
no matter who the drummer was going to be, this was going to be the outcome. I guess Tommy was one of the few that were up for the gig.
billy "tommy was a degenerate, drug consuming pedophile, it was a huge mistake having him in the band"
tommy "yup that's me!"



if they're just going to get a studio drummer, it would have been cool to get Jimmy. I'm sure he'd be interested in the 3 week contract, no tour, no bullshit. In and out, cash his cheque & let billy go on tour with what ever clown of his choice. let billy engage in his antics knowing that the SP names are tarnished just a little less then if it was some other clown on the recordings.

HereIsNoWhy4U
05-08-2014, 03:42 PM
This is the new Pumpkins:

http://youtu.be/6lCGzO-6Zgc

Actually, he isn't a "bad" drummer. I don't know how much Billy knows about drums, but if Billy has kinda given him the idea of how Pumpkin drums (not counting Oceania) usually sound, (a lot of fills and Jimmys regular "offbeats"), then fuck it, the recordings might actually result in some good shit.

amoergosum
05-08-2014, 03:45 PM
if they're just going to get a studio drummer, it would have been cool to get Jimmy. I'm sure he'd be interested in the 3 week contract, no tour, no bullshit. In and out, cash his cheque & let billy go on tour with what ever clown of his choice.


Even if Jimmy would have been up for it...I highly doubt that Billy asked him before he gave Tommy Lee a call.

juliana
05-08-2014, 03:55 PM
The answer to anything corgan related is always "circus"

It answers everything, just try!

Bread Regal
05-08-2014, 04:11 PM
if they're just going to get a studio drummer, it would have been cool to get Jimmy. I'm sure he'd be interested in the 3 week contract, no tour, no bullshit. In and out, cash his cheque & let billy go on tour with what ever clown of his choice.

Jimmy could easily pull in a cool mil doing a world tour with some A-lister like Ringo Starr or Elton John. Sure those guys are very talented, but drumming for them would be a pretty mindless and easy gig for Jimmy.

But he doesn't do it. Why? He's got two kids and doesn't want to be absent while they grow up. I think you're right in that Jommy would be alright with such an arrangement, but who knows what kind of baggage has kept that from happening.

Bread Regal
05-08-2014, 04:13 PM
How rad would that be though. Jimmy drumming for paul simon or someshit.

jimmy drevpile
05-08-2014, 04:24 PM
There are a few things that can be inferred from this.

1) Billy has the cash to hire expensive drummers. Tommy Lee has the name recognition to be able to charge a pretty penny for his time.
2) Even though Billy has the cash, he had to skip over a bunch of names on a very long list of session drummers before he got to Tommy Lee. That means nobody wants to work with him.

This partnership won't last more than a month and everything we hear about Tommy Lee out of Billy's mouth from July onward will be trash talking.

This news was also released in the middle of the night. What are the chances we all heard this news before Mikey did?

^^^^

This. Also better than Mike Burns. I'm happy enough. He's pretty shit. But at least, I don't imagine, he won't be be coming in to try and copy Jimmy's style. He'll bring ~some~ semblance of ability and experience to the table beyond what burn was able to offer.

The long and the short. It's pretty shit. But MIKE IS OUT. WHOOOO-HOO!!!!

soniclovenoize
05-08-2014, 04:37 PM
I am so unbelievably pissed off that I can't rub it in your face that Mike Burns is still in the band.

FUCK YOU BILLY CORGAN

GAAAAAS"LKFJN"LEIFN';eljn

croPUMPKINS
05-08-2014, 04:41 PM
Jimmy could easily pull in a cool mil doing a world tour with some A-lister like Ringo Starr or Elton John. Sure those guys are very talented, but drumming for them would be a pretty mindless and easy gig for Jimmy.

But he doesn't do it. Why? He's got two kids and doesn't want to be absent while they grow up. I think you're right in that Jommy would be alright with such an arrangement, but who knows what kind of baggage has kept that from happening.

why would Jimmy or anyone else play drums for Ringo Starr?

croPUMPKINS
05-08-2014, 04:46 PM
no matter who the drummer was going to be, this was going to be the outcome. I guess Tommy was one of the few that were up for the gig. ]billy "tommy was a degenerate, drug consuming pedophile, it was a huge mistake having him in the band"
tommy "yup that's me!"



if they're just going to get a studio drummer, it would have been cool to get Jimmy. I'm sure he'd be interested in the 3 week contract, no tour, no bullshit. In and out, cash his cheque & let billy go on tour with what ever clown of his choice. let billy engage in his antics knowing that the SP names are tarnished just a little less then if it was some other clown on the recordings.

how is that any different from Mickey/Bill relationship?

Kreatorkind
05-08-2014, 04:54 PM
why would Jimmy or anyone else play drums for Ringo Starr?

I dunno... ask this guy:

http://s3.amazonaws.com/drumlessonscom/00-drummers/gregg-bissonette-thumb.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregg_Bissonette

MusicMan4
05-08-2014, 04:59 PM
how is that any different from Mickey/Bill relationship?

Tommy Lee hits the drums so hard he could nuke Croatia

Trotskilicious
05-08-2014, 05:19 PM
He should recruit the drummer from MCR now that they're dead

you legit like them right? for some reason i got curious about them, mostly because i feel like a lot of these aughties emo bands got way too much shit from grungetards

Trotskilicious
05-08-2014, 05:22 PM
you mikey b haters are so tiresome and clueless it's just incredible

juliana
05-08-2014, 05:34 PM
Wowowoowowowow byrne is soooooo out. Last update might have an insult in it.

Spira|_
05-08-2014, 05:44 PM
Actually, he isn't a "bad" drummer. I don't know how much Billy knows about drums, but if Billy has kinda given him the idea of how Pumpkin drums (not counting Oceania) usually sound, (a lot of fills and Jimmys regular "offbeats"), then fuck it, the recordings might actually result in some good shit.

Billy is doing hair metal album so the drums will be 4/4 with some simple fills and zero offbeat hits.

HereIsNoWhy4U
05-08-2014, 05:57 PM
Billy is doing hair metal album so the drums will be 4/4 with some simple fills and zero offbeat hits.

You don't know that it's gonna be hair metal because of Lee's "80's metal past".
I'm actually inclined to believe Corgan only writes metal with an MCIS kind of dark tone. Jellybelly styled riffs would be epic on this album. Dadrock would however not surprise me if he skips his promise of actually making a metal album.

Araneae
05-08-2014, 06:11 PM
You don't know that it's gonna be hair metal because of Lee's "80's metal past".

Actually, if you look back at some of Billy's entries, and the mods that they're using, it very much hints to an influence of that 80s metal sound. Obviously Billy will probably add his own twist to it, but don't fool yourself into thinking that you'll get a Jellybelly epic or anything remotely related to MCIS.

Spira|_
05-08-2014, 06:12 PM
I know monte texted me.

Ohh yeah you will see the Jellybellys riffs. Dark.

pavementtune
05-08-2014, 06:49 PM
I don't think Mike is still in the band.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BnJGqwTIQAASQX3.jpg

Araneae
05-08-2014, 07:04 PM
I'll add this here too since it's relevant to the topic.

MIRRORS WITHIN MIRRORS, WHILE TOM-TOMMING WITH HAMMERS

The notion to reach out to T Lee came from The Shredder, who in hearing me say ‘we really need to get someone like Tommy to play on this song’ said, “well, why don’t we reach out to him?” And let me tell you something: I’ve had the fortune of being in the room with some of the all-time greats, and when you’re that close to someone who is the best at what they do you gain insight into the way they are able to communicate to so many. Let’s call it a universal language (which music is, obviously), and in applying it with heart/soul they present intangibles that give dimension and depth to a composition which otherwise would not be as kaleidoscopic.
*
So on flying out a few weeks ago I presented T Lee with the idea, played him all the songs that I’d worked hard to finish, and discussed the way we’d be most comfortable finding common ground in the studio. Which explains the rush to prepare the arrangements for him to drum on, and also our keeping the work under wraps; so that nothing and nobody could influence the process.
*
I’m also happy to report that not only did we have a blast, but the 9 ‘MONUMENTS’ songs sound epic in a way that is indescribable. I guess I could toss off hyperbole after pronoun, but it would sell short what I like to call ‘Supersonic Pumpkins’; which is a descriptor in itself. Tommy hits the drums in a crushing manner, but as many fans know this is not without nuance or reaction; as he has a fantastic ear for music and plays with the songs in a means that only enhances excitement. The only other place I’ve heard this phenomena is with John Bonham of Led Zeppelin: where heavy drums can sound soft and expressive. Good company indeed!
*
As for the connection, I first met Tommy way back in 1991 when he came to one of our shows, and through the years we’ve run into each other many times at various places. So the coupling is not as odd as some might assume, as he, like I, has pushed into embracing new technologies, electronics, etc where it pertains to making new sounds. He is a wonderful, warm person to be around, and I wouldn’t have come to him with this proposition if I didn’t trust that this was something we’d both be proud of. So we expect to finish up the drums in a few weeks, seeing as we’re in a rush to get this stuff out and oh yeah, Tommy’s got this mega-Crue tour to do.
*
Let me also add on a personal and public level that I’m truly excited, for there’s an excitement in the music that is vital and necessary; especially when you consider what’s dying on the vine out there. I believe this is soul music we’re making, and I’m proud of who I’m stuck in the foxhole with. Attack, attack, attack…
*
W.P.C.

It's like he forgot that he was once in a band with one of the greatest drummers that ever existed.

juliana
05-08-2014, 07:08 PM
http://i.imgur.com/cpBSz4g.png

Teehee

Araneae
05-08-2014, 07:11 PM
To be perfectly honest, while I won't shed a tear over their dismissal (except Nicole, she was actually the one positive with SP in the past decade), Billy's being a shit by not acknowledging Mike and Nicole. He'll just probably end up badmouthing them in an interview somewhere down the line, I guess.

juliana
05-08-2014, 07:20 PM
I feel bad for mike, he could have had a heart to heart with him. Told him he wants to go in a different direction. But maybe there is more to it than we know. I feel shredder shares the feelings.

In a shredder interview, jeff was asked about the contributions of nicole and mike, he ignored the question and talked about jimmy and billy.


What have you learned from playing with Billy, Mike, & Nicole:

It’s endless. I mean-what I’ve been exposed to as a musician on a daily basis has just been immense and– playing with Jimmy (Chamberlin) would have to be part of that because he’s just really up there in terms of drummers. You have the classic rock guys, Bonham, Keith Moon and those guys– and I think he’s of the next generation; he’s one that is in that conversation, that level of good. Having to try, to just attempt to keep up with him every night? That was the first thing that forced me to improve– just having to keep up with him. Then just watching Billy and watching the way he approaches music and art, in the studio, the songwriting, the sound check-it’s just endless, things that I never ever even thought of. It’s been really great. And now with Mike and Nicole we’re in a different era and I’ve told this to other people but the four of us are so different. We’re like the four most different people you could find! But in some weird way, it totally works. So I think we learn from each other musically but we also learn from each other in terms of friendship and camaraderie, which is just as important as getting along musically. In a band, it’s great if you can get along musically but I mean, the majority of the battle is getting along in the car ride to and from the gig! (laughter).

He didn't learn shit from them.

Araneae
05-08-2014, 07:29 PM
I never thought I would but I feel bad for him, too. Billy built him up and now he's tearing him down.

As for Jeff, I really don't care what he thinks. All he does is agree with Billy on everything anyway. I've never cared for him or his playing and I don't think I'm ever going to.

"...there’s an excitement in the music that is vital and necessary; especially when you consider what’s dying on the vine out there. I believe this is soul music we’re making..."

oh, and Billy can go fuck himself. I'm so tired of his shitty attitude towards current music. He hasn't bothered to actually listen to anything past the 80s to know what the fuck he's talking about.

scottytheoneand
05-08-2014, 07:41 PM
It's like he forgot that he was once in a band with one of the greatest drummers that ever existed.

what's he supposed to do? Constantly talk about the guy that left the band 5 years ago?

Araneae
05-08-2014, 07:45 PM
…or he could not lick Lee's ass and pretend that Tommy is the only other drummer that he has played with that compares to Bonham. You can build up other people without tearing down others. They're not mutually exclusive.

Fuck, Scotty, stop being so fucking dense.

Spira|_
05-08-2014, 07:45 PM
O



oh, and Billy can go fuck himself. I'm so tired of his shitty attitude towards current music. He hasn't bothered to actually listen to anything past the 80s to know what the fuck he's talking about.

He is stuck in the past.

scottytheoneand
05-08-2014, 07:50 PM
…or he could not lick Lee's ass and pretend that Tommy is the only other drummer that he has played with that compares to Bonham. You can build up other people without tearing down others. They're not mutually exclusive.

Fuck, Scotty, stop being so fucking dense.

billy has said a lot of stupid shit, but I don't remember hearing him tear down Mike

scottytheoneand
05-08-2014, 07:52 PM
5 years of people complaining about mike now there's a pity party for him...

LOL

Spira|_
05-08-2014, 07:52 PM
That daily updates saying everyday the songs are WOW, the album is WOW means he is doing shit again. He said absolutely the same before Oceania had been released: Oh this is amazing, everyone who listen to it says it is the best shit ever and blaa blaas blaaa blaaa ... Oceania.

Araneae
05-08-2014, 07:52 PM
Shut the fuck up, Scotty

paranoid
05-08-2014, 09:12 PM
No pity party for mike coming from me. He bit off more than he could chew when he sent billy that shitty audition video in the first place. So fuck him.

Good riddance!

Ram27
05-08-2014, 09:13 PM
This is the new Pumpkins:

http://youtu.be/6lCGzO-6Zgc

Ahahah 3:08 is the same solo Mikey did at 2:47 here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPiUECATtlc

Trotskilicious
05-08-2014, 09:22 PM
I'll add this here too since it's relevant to the topic.



It's like he forgot that he was once in a band with one of the greatest drummers that ever existed.

i mean it's just bald faced heresy to compare tommy lee with john fucking bonham in the first fucking place

Ram27
05-08-2014, 09:23 PM
Yeah really.

Like I said before, he seems like a more metal Dave Grohl. Loud as fuck and maybe plays some catchy riffs.

Trotskilicious
05-08-2014, 09:25 PM
billy has said a lot of stupid shit, but I don't remember hearing him tear down Mike

I THINK WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HOW HE'S PASSIVELY DISSING JIM, YOU FUCKING BABOON

Araneae
05-08-2014, 09:31 PM
i mean it's just bald faced heresy to compare tommy lee with john fucking bonham in the first fucking place

It's one of the most ludicrous statements that has ever come out of Billy's mouth, and that's saying something.

Somewhere out there a Vice writer is compiling a new list...

Trotskilicious
05-08-2014, 09:35 PM
i mean it's fucking ludicrous. it reminds me of when that guy who ran the timberwolves said darko was one of the greatest of all time and was like "manna from heaven"

by the way let the record show that i think mike byrne > tommy lee

fuzzyroes
05-08-2014, 09:41 PM
Fantastic news! Tommys wrote the drum parts for a ton of rocking, memorable songs. He's certainly going to provide an upgrade to the bushleague stuff we heard on Oceania.

I'm actually excited to hear a Pumpkins release again.

Good on Billy for coming to his senses.

Trotskilicious
05-08-2014, 09:42 PM
oh god this is terrible

Araneae
05-08-2014, 09:43 PM
:rofl:

Figures.

Trotskilicious
05-08-2014, 09:45 PM
"ROCKING"

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/D4aob4zlhIk?rel=0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

most of the work here is done by nikki six and that raunchy riff. if you really listen, tommy's back there pounding on those drums like a fucking baboon. i've heard better drumming from punk bands.

Trotskilicious
05-08-2014, 09:47 PM
pretty much exactly the same drumline played slower

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/d2XdmyBtCRQ?rel=0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Elphenor
05-08-2014, 09:48 PM
I have a feeling this album is going to actually not suck.

Just a feeling.

Trotskilicious
05-08-2014, 09:50 PM
what is it with the weird conincidence between guys who hate the shit out of mike byrne and dudes who are all about tommy lee

you guys seriously don't know what good drumming even sounds like do you

seriously i've been listening to motley crue now for about 30 minutes and it's like...all of it is built on charismatic front man and awesome riffs...the drums are like THUNK THUNK THUNK THUNK the whole fucking time, in every song

Elphenor
05-08-2014, 09:54 PM
I know absolutely nothing about drumming but I'm hoping a little of the 80's metal Billy is activated.
Corgan took the genre I hate more than anything and made it listenible.

Elphenor
05-08-2014, 09:57 PM
And someone tell him to start listening to The Cure again.

Pumpkins = Cheezy metal + The Cure + Shoegaze

And Oceania already kinda had a light shoegaze thing going

fuzzyroes
05-08-2014, 10:00 PM
Atleast Tommy has his own thing going on <object width="420" height="315"><param name="movie" value="//www.youtube.com/v/YVt5mTkO_VY?hl=en_US&amp;version=3"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="//www.youtube.com/v/YVt5mTkO_VY?hl=en_US&amp;version=3" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="420" height="315" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true"></embed></object>

It's simple but it elevates and suits the music

Araneae
05-08-2014, 10:03 PM
I'm far from being a Mike apologist, but I don't understand how someone can complain about Mike's fills and flat sound but praise Tommy Lee. It doesn't make any fucking sense.

I know absolutely nothing about drumming but I'm hoping a little of the 80's metal Billy is activated.
Corgan took the genre I hate more than anything and made it listenible.

That was more of the Black Sabbath, Dio, early Scorpions, and Judas Priest influence than cheese 80s glam metal.

Elphenor
05-08-2014, 10:06 PM
Idk, there's the cheeze glam in there for sure. Those silver pants and big guitar riffs.

Elphenor
05-08-2014, 10:07 PM
Quiet has 80's hair metal written all over it.

Araneae
05-08-2014, 10:10 PM
How so? How does it specifically sound like it was directly influenced by 80s glam metal?

Araneae
05-08-2014, 10:11 PM
Idk, there's the cheeze glam in there for sure. Those silver pants and big guitar riffs.

http://retrorebirth.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/iggy-pop-stooges-classic-vintage-rock-music-photo-6.jpg?w=240

Elphenor
05-08-2014, 10:15 PM
How so? How does it specifically sound like it was directly influenced by 80s glam metal?

Yes, to me it does. As does "Soma". But again, Billy found a way to make the lamest shit badass.

That's like the story of his 90's existence. Taking everything that isn't cool and making it cool.

Araneae
05-08-2014, 10:16 PM
Soma sounds like 80s glam metal to you?

Elphenor
05-08-2014, 10:17 PM
http://retrorebirth.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/iggy-pop-stooges-classic-vintage-rock-music-photo-6.jpg?w=240

The Stooges were great but not because Iggy is cool. Almost in spite of Iggy imo

Elphenor
05-08-2014, 10:19 PM
Soma sounds like 80s glam metal to you?

Yes. It also sounds like Queen and Prince *shrugs*

pavementtune
05-08-2014, 10:30 PM
i mean it's just bald faced heresy to compare tommy lee with john fucking bonham in the first fucking place


Tommy Lee Interview

Who were some of your contemporaries that you admired when you were with Motley Crue?

TL: Led Zeppelin, one of my all-time favorite bands. They're a band that like... the drummer John Bonham is still one of my all-time drumming mentors.
http://www.askmen.com/celebs/interview_400/445_tommy-lee-interview.html

Araneae
05-08-2014, 10:36 PM
When was Motley Crue a contemporary of Led Zeppelin?

Trotskilicious
05-08-2014, 10:40 PM
hey pave what is that supposed to prove? anything?

Kreatorkind
05-08-2014, 10:41 PM
When was Motley Crue a contemporary of Led Zeppelin?

Tommy Lee... not Motley Crue...

His first successful band Suite 19 played the Sunset Strip in Los Angeles during the late 1970s.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_Lee#Music_career

Zep ended in 1980.

Trotskilicious
05-08-2014, 10:41 PM
Atleast Tommy has his own thing going on

It's simple but it elevates and suits the music

you sound like a dumbass

Trotskilicious
05-08-2014, 10:42 PM
Tommy Lee... not Motley Crue...



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_Lee#Music_career

Zep ended in 1980.

he was 18

you also sound like an idiot

JOHN BONHAM DIED IN 1980 AND HE WASN'T HANGING OUT WITH TOMMY LEE

Araneae
05-08-2014, 10:42 PM
Tommy Lee... not Motley Crue...

Read the sentence question again. Carefully.

Trotskilicious
05-08-2014, 10:42 PM
i think i'm going to have an aneurysm if i keep reading this thread

Kreatorkind
05-08-2014, 10:43 PM
he was 18

you also sound like an idiot

JOHN BONHAM DIED IN 1980 AND HE WASN'T HANGING OUT WITH TOMMY LEE

con·tem·po·rar·y
kənˈtempəˌrerē/Submit
adjective
1.
living or occurring at the same time.
"the event was recorded by a contemporary historian"
"this series of paintings is contemporary with other works in an early style"
synonyms: of the time, of the day, contemporaneous, concurrent, coeval, coexisting, coexistent More
2.
belonging to or occurring in the present.
"the tension and complexities of our contemporary society"
synonyms: modern, up-to-date, up-to-the-minute, fashionable; More
antonyms: old-fashioned, out of date
following modern ideas or fashion in style or design.
"contemporary art"
synonyms: modern, present-day, present, current, present-time More
noun
noun: contemporary; plural noun: contemporaries
1.
a person or thing living or existing at the same time as another.
"he was a contemporary of Darwin"
synonyms: peer, fellow; More


Words... what do they mean?

Araneae
05-08-2014, 10:46 PM
The word "contemporary," as used in the music and arts, has a very specific meaning. That's generally why movements/styles are grouped together and music is allotted into distinct decades.

By the way, your dictionary definitions really don't contradict what I'm saying here.

Here's some more for you, since you insist

con·tem·po·rar·y (kən-tĕm′pə-rĕr′ē)
adj.
1. Belonging to the same period of time: a fact documented by two contemporary sources.
2. Of about the same age.
3. Current; modern: contemporary trends in design.
1. One of the same time or age: Shelley and Keats were contemporaries.
2. A person of the present age.

mellon_c0llie
05-08-2014, 10:47 PM
So Mike's not going to be the touring drummer?

juliana
05-08-2014, 10:52 PM
Lol this thread.

Trotskilicious
05-08-2014, 10:53 PM
the other thing is that i'm pretty sure tommy lee said "mentor" in regards to bonham, so i'm not sure why you're telling me about "contemporary" when it's what araneae re: the comment about bonham being one of his "all time drumming mentors" which doesn't make any sense

further, like araneae said. They are not "contemporaries" because they existed at the same time, in the world. No more than I am a contemporary of Motley Crue.

Motley Crue's contemporaries were Guns and Roses, Poison, shitty ass Areosmith and etc.

god damn it kreator

Trotskilicious
05-08-2014, 10:54 PM
Nothing. I just find it funny that Corgan was too lazy to come up with some complimentary bullshit by himself, he just compared his new staff with its mentor.

here let me explain something to you, since you're apparently not familiar with who john bonham is

<i>pretty much every single drummer says that they were inspired, taught, or whatever by john fucking bonham, he is a god. he is the reason i say jim is the best drummer after punk rock.</I>

juliana
05-08-2014, 10:56 PM
Billy likes tommy cause tommy is famous and dates sexy ladies who live life dangerously, airplane mode is on.

juliana
05-08-2014, 11:00 PM
Lol everyone is getting all hot and bothered that billy might have dissed jimmy. Billy wins again.

Araneae
05-08-2014, 11:02 PM
They are not "contemporaries" because they existed at the same time, in the world. No more than I am a contemporary of Motley Crue.

Motley Crue's contemporaries were Guns and Roses, Poison, shitty ass Areosmith and etc.

Exactly. Much like how SP was a contemporary of Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, Hole, etc. They belonged to the same music generation. Motley Crue and Led Zeppelin do not.

juliana
05-08-2014, 11:10 PM
I imagine Billy waiting by the phone, waiting for Tommy Lee's phone calls. When he speaks to him, Billy is blushing and twirling the phone cord, trying to not sound nervous.

Trotskilicious
05-08-2014, 11:14 PM
Lol everyone is getting all hot and bothered that billy might have dissed jimmy. Billy wins again.

i'm getting hot and bothered that people who shit all over mikey b's supposed lack of skill are stroking their broboners to tommy lee

Trotskilicious
05-08-2014, 11:15 PM
How is that contradicting that I find it funny that he used that lame, unimaginative comparison as a compliment?

because i don't think it has anything to do with the fact that tommy seems to think bonham was his "mentor" because he doesn't know what that word means

Elphenor
05-08-2014, 11:18 PM
Stroking their broboners

juliana
05-08-2014, 11:20 PM
Stroking their bonhams

Trotskilicious
05-08-2014, 11:20 PM
i mean seriously where the fuck do you get off, after years of bitching about an inexperienced but rather technically proficient teenager being dropped into a band with a noted egomaniac do you get to the point where "oh sweet tommy lee what an improvement"

like it completely invalidates years of your criticism of mike byrne's technical skill. jesus CHRIST, fuzzy...

Elphenor
05-08-2014, 11:24 PM
Is Mikey "rather technically proficient" because, again, I know absolutely zero about drumming but my drummer says he's pretty meh and the drummers on here are usually pretty critical of him.

paranoid
05-08-2014, 11:25 PM
For the record I hate both mike Byrne and tommy lee. I honestly could care less who is behind the kit because chances are I'll listen to the album once hate it and move on. I'm just glad mike is gone. Why? I'm a petty fuck.

Also whoever said Janet Weiss seems to be available had it right. But she'd be better off staying out of that picture.

Elphenor
05-08-2014, 11:26 PM
I like Post-Punk
Pretty much I want drums to just be loud, simple, and repetitive.

Trotskilicious
05-08-2014, 11:27 PM
Is Mikey "rather technically proficient" because, again, I know absolutely zero about drumming but my drummer says he's pretty meh and the drummers on here are usually pretty critical of him.

there are no drummers here i don't think...there's a lot of jimmy fanboys that couldn't handle it

guy is not the greatest in the world but he has chops.

Araneae
05-08-2014, 11:28 PM
Is Mikey "rather technically proficient" because, again, I know absolutely zero about drumming but my drummer says he's pretty meh and the drummers on here are usually pretty critical of him.

Your drummer could suck for all I know, but did you show your drummer Mike's own work with his own band? He's more into math rock. I thought he was really unsuited for SP, probably because Billy wanted him to play like JC, but he's more comfortable playing his own style.

Trotskilicious
05-08-2014, 11:28 PM
Also whoever said Janet Weiss seems to be available had it right. But she'd be better off staying out of that picture.

lol seriously who else would it be

janet would much rather toil in obscurity with quasi instead of joining up with SP. she barely let herself get on camera when she did an obligatory appearance on portlandia

Trotskilicious
05-08-2014, 11:29 PM
I thought he was really unsuited for SP, probably because Billy wanted him to play like JC, but he's more comfortable playing his own style.

this is exactly what i thought when i heard ocieania

Araneae
05-08-2014, 11:30 PM
because i don't think it has anything to do with the fact that tommy seems to think bonham was his "mentor" because he doesn't know what that word means

That entire answer and his complete lack of understanding was just too funny.

Trotskilicious
05-08-2014, 11:31 PM
all-time drumming mentors

i think he means idols, i mean seriously the guy is an uplifted baboon

Elphenor
05-08-2014, 11:31 PM
Maybe Im thinking of the O-board.

Honestly, I felt Oceania's drums were fine, and if you like at ZG you see the greatest drumming ever won't save bad songs.

Trotskilicious
05-08-2014, 11:35 PM
they were fine, but it did sound like someone doing a jimmy chamberlin impression. or was told to.

Trotskilicious
05-08-2014, 11:35 PM
but we had fuzzyroses et al talking about how completely terrible and off beat he was and shit

it was so ridiculous at the time and even more ludicrous that they're heralding tommy lee as "real talent"

bye june
05-08-2014, 11:36 PM
the greatest drumming ever won't save bad songs.

eggzackly

juliana
05-08-2014, 11:37 PM
Mike needs to find his own voice. Billy did him a favour.

To be honest, all the professional musicians I know that have listened to Oceania say the same thing to me, "that drummer is amazing". They aren't tainted by wanting to have steamy sex with Jimmy though.

Trotskilicious
05-08-2014, 11:38 PM
doomsday clock is a pretty great example of that, tbh

the drum intro is like OMGZZZ and the song is like oh my god.

juliana
05-08-2014, 11:39 PM
That entire answer and his complete lack of understanding was just too funny.

He has a big dick, he doesn't need to be smart.

Araneae
05-08-2014, 11:40 PM
He's like a caveman.

paranoid
05-08-2014, 11:41 PM
Mike had chops, and does great with that shitty bearcubbin music. He didn't have sp level chops though. And yeah, I have my head stuck up Jimmy's ass. But he's a god so whatevs let me relish.

Having mike out softens the blow of tommy being on board. But whoever thinks he's going to be an improvement is an idiot. He's going to fit into this band as well as mike did and that's not a good thing. I guess I'm numb to it all at this point.

And seriously if he's just hiring a drummer to do 9 tracks on the album, why not just have jimmy do them and then he'd be done with it/not touring. JC had no problem doing that with Tyson Meade.

Araneae
05-08-2014, 11:43 PM
and if you like at ZG you see the greatest drumming ever won't save bad songs.

No, but think how much worse it would be without JC's drumming. Really, one of the few redeeming qualities of that album is Jimmy's drumming. Billy just fucked up the production and the direction he took the album in.

juliana
05-08-2014, 11:45 PM
I like Tommy Lee for this project actually. Not because he is some fantastical drummer, I don't give a fuck about that. I like that billy is out of his comfort zone, and shaking things up a bit. Tommy Lee seems odd and it is easy to judge that he doesn't fit but in a creative environment sometimes that is what you need.

I like that billy is bringing in randoms and I hope Billy continues this.

Kreatorkind
05-08-2014, 11:46 PM
The word "contemporary," as used in the music and arts, has a very specific meaning. That's generally why movements/styles are grouped together and music is allotted into distinct decades.

By the way, your dictionary definitions really don't contradict what I'm saying here.

Here's some more for you, since you insist

con·tem·po·rar·y (kən-tĕm′pə-rĕr′ē)
adj.
1. Belonging to the same period of time: a fact documented by two contemporary sources.
2. Of about the same age.
3. Current; modern: contemporary trends in design.
1. One of the same time or age: Shelley and Keats were contemporaries.
2. A person of the present age.

It absolutely contradicts what you're saying. Tommy Lee was a drummer at the same time John Bonham was (the late 1970's). Therefore, Tommy Lee and John Bonham were contemporaries. They existed at the same time in the same field (Drumming). How can you argue that? You were saying that Motley Crue wasn't a contemporary of Led Zep... in that, you are correct. But Tommy Lee was a contemporary of John Bonham. Mike Byrne is a contemporary of Jimmy Chamberlain.

juliana
05-08-2014, 11:47 PM
Mike had chops, and does great with that shitty bearcubbin music. He didn't have sp level chops though. And yeah, I have my head stuck up Jimmy's ass. But he's a god so whatevs let me relish.

Having mike out softens the blow of tommy being on board. But whoever thinks he's going to be an improvement is an idiot. He's going to fit into this band as well as mike did and that's not a good thing. I guess I'm numb to it all at this point.

And seriously if he's just hiring a drummer to do 9 tracks on the album, why not just have jimmy do them and then he'd be done with it/not touring. JC had no problem doing that with Tyson Meade.

Because Jimmy is not the sound he wanted. He wants that bash bash sound. It has been very clear. You don't have to paint with one colour, holy fuck!

Elphenor
05-08-2014, 11:47 PM
Your drummer could suck for all I know, but did you show your drummer Mike's own work with his own band? He's more into math rock. I thought he was really unsuited for SP, probably because Billy wanted him to play like JC, but he's more comfortable playing his own style.

No, I haven't even listened to that shit.

And my drummer could very well suck, again I don't know or care about drums really.
I like drums to be really loud and simple. Like Dave Grohl.

Kreatorkind
05-08-2014, 11:48 PM
because i don't think it has anything to do with the fact that tommy seems to think bonham was his "mentor" because he doesn't know what that word means

That's true... I don't think he knows (or knew at the time of that interview) what that word means.

juliana
05-08-2014, 11:51 PM
No, I haven't even listened to that shit.

And my drummer could very well suck, again I don't know or care about drums really.
I like drums to be really loud and simple. Like Dave Grohl.

Barf. I hate grohl.

Araneae
05-08-2014, 11:53 PM
It absolutely contradicts what you're saying. Tommy Lee was a drummer at the same time John Bonham was (the late 1970's). Therefore, Tommy Lee and John Bonham were contemporaries. They existed at the same time in the same field (Drumming). How can you argue that? You were saying that Motley Crue wasn't a contemporary of Led Zep... in that, you are correct. But Tommy Lee was a contemporary of John Bonham. Mike Byrne is a contemporary of Jimmy Chamberlain.

oh for fuck's sake, kreatorkind, no it doesn't. I see you skipped over highlighting "of the same age," "current," "of the present."

You don't understand what being a contemporary of someone means.

Take for example the Shelley/Keats example that was used. Shelley and Keats knew each other, they ran in the same circles. They lived and produced work during the exact same time period. They were both Romantic poets.

Elphenor
05-08-2014, 11:55 PM
Ughhhhhhh.
Stop KK just stop

Kreatorkind
05-08-2014, 11:55 PM
oh for fuck's sake, kreatorkind, no it doesn't. I see you skipped over highlighting "of the same age," "current," "of the present."

You don't understand what being a contemporary of someone means.

Take for example the Shelley/Keats example that was used. Shelley and Keats knew each other, they ran in the same circles. They lived and produced work during the exact same time period. They were both Romantic poets.

That's why there's more than one line of definition. And Tommy Lee and John Bonham lived and produced work in the exact same time period. They were both drummers in rock bands.

paranoid
05-08-2014, 11:56 PM
Because Jimmy is not the sound he wanted. He wants that bash bash sound. It has been very clear. You don't have to paint with one colour, holy fuck!

Right because Jimmy's drumming and musicianship is one singular color.

Tommy lee, now there's a man loaded with layers of colors!

Fuck it billy just do programming.

juliana
05-08-2014, 11:57 PM
Bet he believes corgan is his contemporary

paranoid
05-08-2014, 11:57 PM
Like why doesn't jimmy just give billy drum lessons already billy is a multi talented genius

juliana
05-08-2014, 11:59 PM
Right because Jimmy's drumming and musicianship is one singular color.

Tommy lee, now there's a man loaded with layers of colors!

Fuck it billy just do programming.

You dumbass. You don't get the painting analogy. If Jimmy is indigo, Lee is red.

Elphenor
05-09-2014, 12:02 AM
No, but think how much worse it would be without JC's drumming. Really, one of the few redeeming qualities of that album is Jimmy's drumming. Billy just fucked up the production and the direction he took the album in.

I can't listen to that album at all. A combination of whatever horrid ear fuckingly loud production they're using and some of the worst vocals Ive ever heard from a popular band makes it just impossibly unpleasent.

Adore didn't have Jimmy but it had good vocals and it's amazing. Z had amazing drums but is just horrible because of the vocals. The worst thing to happen to The Pumpkins wasn't the line-up changes but Billy's vocal changes. And the fact that he writes such shitty lyrics now.

juliana
05-09-2014, 12:04 AM
Why are people so dumb that they think it is all corgan's fault that jimmy isn't in the band. The dude is doing his own thing let Jimmy have his thing. Let corgan play with tommy lee and get a tattoo, who cares if another album is garbage. Also, drumming isn't everything you mother fucking broken records.

juliana
05-09-2014, 12:06 AM
I can't listen to that album at all. A combination of whatever horrid ear fuckingly loud production they're using and some of the worst vocals Ive ever heard from a popular band makes it just impossibly unpleasent.

Adore didn't have Jimmy but it had good vocals and it's amazing. Z had amazing drums but is just horrible because of the vocals. The worst thing to happen to The Pumpkins wasn't the line-up changes but Billy's vocal changes. And the fact that he writes such shitty lyrics now.

Ya his lyrics are garbage now and getting worse and worse.

Adore was stripped down but those were some amazing songs. Really sophisticated.

paranoid
05-09-2014, 12:07 AM
You dumbass. You don't get the painting analogy. If Jimmy is indigo, Lee is red.

Relax I'm fucking with you, you dumb bitch.

Why don't you drum for SP? I bet you're like, yellow or something.

juliana
05-09-2014, 12:08 AM
Relax I'm fucking with you, you dumb bitch.

Why don't you drum for SP? I bet you're like, purple or something.

Pfft he couldn't afford me.

Starla
05-09-2014, 12:08 AM
I am so unbelievably pissed off that I can't rub it in your face that Mike Burns is still in the band.

FUCK YOU BILLY CORGAN

GAAAAAS"LKFJN"LEIFN';eljn

Everyone chill out. He could have gotten that drummer from def leppard.

Elphenor
05-09-2014, 12:09 AM
I can see Jimmy being like "Billy, Im sorry man, but you suck now"

And Billy's like "Fuck you! You're fired. I dont need you. Go ride around in a white van" or whatever.
And then he tried to replace hin with a kid as a total "fuck you" to Jimmy.
"I dont need you! A kid could do your job!"

Catherine Wheel
05-09-2014, 12:11 AM
Dave Grohl with Nirvana is loud and simple. But Dave Grohl on QOTSA - Songs for the Deaf is pretty complex at times.

Starla
05-09-2014, 12:12 AM
I never thought I would but I feel bad for him, too. Billy built him up and now he's tearing him down.

As for Jeff, I really don't care what he thinks. All he does is agree with Billy on everything anyway. I've never cared for him or his playing and I don't think I'm ever going to.



oh, and Billy can go fuck himself. I'm so tired of his shitty attitude towards current music. He hasn't bothered to actually listen to anything past the 80s to know what the fuck he's talking about.

that's not true, he likes MGMT

Elphenor
05-09-2014, 12:12 AM
I like Nirvana style drumming WAY more.
I fucking love the drumming on the Nirvana albums. Dave just destroys his kit and it rocks

paranoid
05-09-2014, 12:17 AM
Hey everyone picture Mellon collie with mike burned or tommy lee

juliana
05-09-2014, 12:17 AM
Lol, not possible.

Elphenor
05-09-2014, 12:18 AM
Oh God that sounds awful.

Starla
05-09-2014, 12:24 AM
everything sucked after colour and shape.

Araneae
05-09-2014, 12:26 AM
That's why there's more than one line of definition. And Tommy Lee and John Bonham lived and produced work in the exact same time period. They were both drummers in rock bands.

You still don't understand its meaning, and it really isn't open to some broad line of definition, especially not in this context (i.e. art). Art movements only last about a decade at most, and the artists that belong to each movement share similarities and familiarities. "Contemporaries of" has a heavy emphasis on each person being aware of each others existence, interacting with each other in some form, and somewhat feeding off of each other with their ideas (much like the 90s grunge/alternative movement); another key point here is that they all come from the same generation (i.e. they're similar in age). Tommy Lee was a pimply teenager when Bonham was setting the world on fire. Tommy Lee and Bonham did not know each other, Bonham surely didn't even know that Tommy Lee existed, and they certainly did not share any similar playing style, influences, or acquaintances. That's like saying that Bob Dylan and Tommy Lee are contemporaries of each other just because they happen to be alive at the same time after Tommy became famous.

Araneae
05-09-2014, 12:31 AM
I can't listen to that album at all. A combination of whatever horrid ear fuckingly loud production they're using and some of the worst vocals Ive ever heard from a popular band makes it just impossibly unpleasent.

Adore didn't have Jimmy but it had good vocals and it's amazing. Z had amazing drums but is just horrible because of the vocals. The worst thing to happen to The Pumpkins wasn't the line-up changes but Billy's vocal changes. And the fact that he writes such shitty lyrics now.

That I agree with to a point.

I don't hate the album as much as some do and there are a handful of songs that I don't mind from it, but if you listen to the demos that Billy was writing at the time (which were really emotional acoustic songs) it doesn't make sense how he decided to go with such a lifeless record like ZG. Instead of going with his natural state (like he did with Adore) he decided to create an obnoxious "statement" record that fell flat.

juliana
05-09-2014, 12:31 AM
Dud you can't reach this person. They don't know how dictionary definitions work.

Elphenor
05-09-2014, 12:36 AM
That I agree with to a point.

I don't hate the album as much as some do and there are a handful of songs that I don't mind from it, but if you listen to the demos that Billy was writing at the time (which were really emotional acoustic songs) it doesn't make sense how he decided to go with such a lifeless record like ZG. Instead of going with his natural state (like he did with Adore) he decided to create an obnoxious "statement" record that fell flat.

Yeah, Billy acoustic today is still incredibly moving at times.

MCIS era Billy could have sang hos lyrics with the only instrument being your grandma on bongos and that shit would still rock.

Elphenor
05-09-2014, 12:38 AM
Before he went all Jesus Freak and New Age Hippy Billy was an incredibly raw and moving vocalist and lyricist.

Kreatorkind
05-09-2014, 12:44 AM
You still don't understand its meaning, and it really isn't open to some broad line of definition, especially not in this context (i.e. art). Art movements only last about a decade at most, and the artists that belong to each movement share similarities and familiarities.

I didn't use a broad definition. I used a very specific and correct definition. "a person or thing living or existing at the same time as another." That's the first definition in the dictionary. I expanded upon that further by stating that they were two people in the same field, working at the same time. Camaraderie is not a prerequisite. And as far as an art movement only lasting a decade, tell that to all the Baroque composers over the 150 or so years that that music was popular.

"Contemporaries of" has a heavy emphasis on each person being aware of each others existence, interacting with each other in some form, and somewhat feeding off of each other with their ideas (much like the 90s grunge/alternative movement);


According to you. That is your interpretation of the word "contemporary".

another key point here is that they all come from the same generation (i.e. they're similar in age). Tommy Lee was a pimply teenager when Bonham was setting the world on fire. Tommy Lee and Bonham did not know each other, Bonham surely didn't even know that Tommy Lee existed, and they certainly did not share any similar playing style, influences, or acquaintances. That's like saying that Bob Dylan and Tommy Lee are contemporaries of each other just because they happen to be alive at the same time after Tommy became famous.


Well, an argument could easily be made that shared a similar playing style and influences. Age has nothing to do with it though.

Trotskilicious
05-09-2014, 12:46 AM
That's why there's more than one line of definition. And Tommy Lee and John Bonham lived and produced work in the exact same time period. They were both drummers in rock bands.

let me guess, you never got around to going to college did you

Elphenor
05-09-2014, 12:49 AM
He's missing the point of the word in terms of Art pretty hard.

amoergosum
05-09-2014, 12:56 AM
Tommy hits the drums in a crushing manner, but as many fans know this is not without nuance or reaction; as he has a fantastic ear for music and plays with the songs in a means that only enhances excitement. The only other place I’ve heard this phenomena is with John Bonham of Led Zeppelin: where heavy drums can sound soft and expressive. Good company indeed!


When I read this I immediately thought of Ilan Rubin...he wouldn't have had time though, he's busy with other bands >>>

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amoergosum
05-09-2014, 12:56 AM
By the way...Jeff mentioned Tommy Lee in an interview from 2008 >>>

Gibson.com: What other musicians would you like to share the stage with?

That´s a frightening question. If I ever felt like I was good enough playing with these guys, my first choice would be John Mc Laughlin. He combines fluid, intense playing with this whole spiritual element. I really love Jeff Beck, I think he would be fun to play with. I also would love to share the stage with Yngwie Malmsteen, the shredding king. Actually we tried to get him to play with the Samshing Pumpkins, but he said he was in the studio and unfortunately couldn´t make it. You never know... We try to invite a lot of people to jam on our shows. Uli Jon Roth for example joined us for a few gigs. Actually it seems like Tommy Lee will join us for the Australian Dates.

Source:
http://www2.gibson.com/News-Lifestyle/Events/en-us/Exclusive-Interview-with-Jeff.aspx

Trotskilicious
05-09-2014, 01:04 AM
He's missing the point of the word in terms of Art pretty hard.

it's because he doesn't seem to understand it

art, that is.

Kreatorkind
05-09-2014, 01:04 AM
let me guess, you never got around to going to college did you

I'm not trying to be combative... the definition is correct. I'm not going to say I am incorrect when, in fact, based on the definition, I am correct.

Were Tommy Lee and John Bonham not alive at the same time, both drumming in rock bands? If they were in fact both alive and drummers in rock bands at the same time, please explain how that does not make them contemporaries. Note, "contemporary" does not mean "as successful or famous as".

Trotskilicious
05-09-2014, 01:07 AM
no you goddamn shithead, that's what it means in this context. you can drag out your m-w cut and paste job whenever you want but ultimately the rest of us think you need a fucking dunce cap if you consider tommy lee and john bonham to be contemporaries

but seriously dare to be stupid, i mean whatever just go ahead and be as dumb as you wanna be

Kreatorkind
05-09-2014, 01:08 AM
it's because he doesn't seem to understand or study art but he assumes that he does because he is one of those guys that plays open mics and calls it his "show".

Making things up may impress your lackies, but it doesn't make you smart or right.

Trotskilicious
05-09-2014, 01:08 AM
I'm not trying to be combative... the definition is correct. I'm not going to say I am incorrect when, in fact, based on the definition, I am correct.

Were Tommy Lee and John Bonham not alive at the same time, both drumming in rock bands? If they were in fact both alive and drummers in rock bands at the same time, please explain how that does not make them contemporaries. Note, "contemporary" does not mean "as successful or famous as".

we already explained this to you

seriously what did you drop out of community college? holy fucking shit, there's like a half dozen people plus in this thread right now laughing at you and you're too fucking clueless to go "oh okay i guess I'm wrong"

Trotskilicious
05-09-2014, 01:09 AM
Making things up may impress your lackies, but it doesn't make you smart or right.

oh good you're talking about lackies now

yes kreator me and my lackies have meetings about how we're going to gang up on the next stupid thing you say






if you only knew what i've done for you...

Kreatorkind
05-09-2014, 01:09 AM
no you goddamn shithead, that's what it means in this context. you can drag out your m-w cut and paste job whenever you want but ultimately the rest of us think you need a fucking dunce cap if you consider tommy lee and john bonham to be contemporaries

but seriously dare to be stupid, i mean whatever just go ahead and be as dumb as you wanna be

No. it doesn't mean "as successful as" in any context. Words mean things. Look them up.

amoergosum
05-09-2014, 01:10 AM
Billy posted the latest update also on his Facebook page...most liked comments >>>

"Lellius Rose
I believe I can speak for I can speak for many, many SP fans by expressing my sincere and genuine appreciation for Mike Byrne and Nicole Fiorentino and their artistic contributions to SP over the past 3-4 years. William Patrick Corgan , if you don't want to publicly discuss internal personal goings on in the band, then that's your right, however I think the least you could do is to simply acknowledge their existence and how much they contributed to your renewed success."

"Ivan Gonzalez
I would have preferred Josh Freese, but whatever. No one will ever outdo Jimmy Chamberlin."

Kreatorkind
05-09-2014, 01:12 AM
if you only knew what i've done for you...

I'm not trying to fight with you. If you don't want me around, and you're a mod here, why not just ban me?

Araneae
05-09-2014, 01:15 AM
I'm not trying to be combative... the definition is correct. I'm not going to say I am incorrect when, in fact, based on the definition, I am correct.

Were Tommy Lee and John Bonham not alive at the same time, both drumming in rock bands? If they were in fact both alive and drummers in rock bands at the same time, please explain how that does not make them contemporaries. Note, "contemporary" does not mean "as successful or famous as".

You have been combative this whole time, which you incited. Your inability to admit that you're wrong, and then act like a complete asshole during this whole thing, speaks volumes. Stop asking people to look up "words" when you don't understand them yourself. Go ahead, call up your local museum, university, or college and ask a professor what "contemporaries of" means. Fuck, I'm sure a random person on the street could even tell you.

It's amazing how you keep clinging to one broad definition from a dictionary, in which you don't even understand, just to try and prove your ridiculous point while completely ignoring every single other one from that dictionary.

Where it states "same time or age" it literally mean that the two came about at the same time/age. In this context, Tommy Lee came AFTER Bonham (much later).